Beginning March 2nd, 2020 the Mailing Lists functionality on RootsWeb will be discontinued. Users will no longer be able to send outgoing emails or accept incoming emails. Additionally, administration tools will no longer be available to list administrators and mailing lists will be put into an archival state.
Administrators may save the emails in their list prior to March 2nd. After that, mailing list archives will remain available and searchable on RootsWeb
Evening Fred: The volunteers of the WAGenWeb have voted - they voted when
they did not nominate anyone to oppose Mike. There is no provision for a
"write in" vote in the Project and everyone had ample time to nominate
someone else.
The EC does have the right to declare a winner in a race where the candidate
is unopposed.
However, why don't we ask the opinions of the people on this list?
Folks - Do you have a problem with the EC declaring Mike the Winner?
Yes or No.
Thanks
Linda Davenport
EC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Smoot" <dogtrotxp(a)attbi.com>
To: <WAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [WAGEN-L] WAGenWeb SC election
> Linda Haas Davenport wrote:
> >
> > Upon Motion duly made and seconded:
> >
> > "Since Mike Sweeney is the only person nominated for the position of
State
> > Coordinator for the WAGenWeb, and is running unopposed, I move that the
> > Elections Committee declare Mike Sweeney as duly elected to the position
of
> > State Coordinator for the WAGenWeb."
> >
> > And passed by vote of the Election Committe members. Therefore, the
USGenWeb
> > Project Election Committee hereby declares Mike Sweeney the State
> > Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project's State of Washington.
> >
> > The USGenWeb Election Committee
>
> Greetings,
>
> The USGenWeb Project bylaws require an election for State
> Coordinators.
>
> ARTICLE XII. STATE PROJECTS
> Section 8. State Coordinators shall be elected to those positions by
> the local-level coordinators within the state . . .
>
> There is no provision in those bylaws that gives the "USGenWeb
> Election Committee" the authority to override the USGenWeb Project
> bylaws.
>
> Simply put, WAGenWeb asked the USGenWeb Election Committee to monitor
> our vote. Reportedly, they agreed to do so, and then they reneged by
> exercising some self-assumed authority that they don't have.
>
> Their proclamation is simply illegal - and it quashes the rights of
> us, WAGenWeb's "local-level coordinators."
>
> Fred Smoot
> Pend Oreille Co. WA CC.
>
>
Ok to make it simple, from National ByLaws
Section 8. State Coordinators shall be elected to those positions by the local-level coordinators within the state. Those State Coordinators and Assistant State Coordinators in place at the time these bylaws are adopted shall be exempt from election procedures, unless he/she/they are removed, resign, or are unable to perform their duties.
Now we started to hold state elections among the CC's and Fred objected then we asked Mike to ask National to host the same election and no one else wanted the job, so they looked at us and "simply" Mike Sweeney was elected since we already had a nomination time frame within the state CC's and since no one wanted to also run for SC to the best of my knowledge.
I hereby call for a vote of confirmation from the State CC's to afirm Mike Sweeney as our State Coordinator.
I doubt if we will need to hire someone to tally the votes but i have a call into Price Waterhouse Inc
Steve CC
Well Fred you must of been sleeping. We the CC's since you wanted a Election asked Mike our acting SC to contact National and have then do the election. Having done that and as stated, No one else wanted the job!
So thats why National EC has stuck their noses in..they were invited
Steve
Steve Jacobson wrote:
>
> Well I guess this time Fred has a point. there may be someone who wishes to put in a write in. simply saying Well No one else wanted the job could very well be incorrect.
>
> Mike Please ask them to open Official Elections with ballots as that was our main purpose for asking them to run the election, shoot we could of done that trick all by ourselves!
>
> Steve CC
> Columbia Garfield & Asotin Co.
> Wa GenWeb Project
A personal note
Greetings,
When I joined WAGenWeb, I told Celia Tomlin that I would not bring
"political" issues to her list. I have keep that promise.
The discussion of the WAGenWeb election is for me, a technical
discussion. You CCs can do whatever you want regarding the election.
If there is a problem about the election, that problem will be between
WAGenWeb and the USGenWeb Project and certainly *not* between
WAGenWeb and me.
Since WAGenWeb does not have its own bylaws, we need to rely solely on
the USGenWeb Project bylaws. Even if WAGenWeb had its own bylaws, it
would still need to follow the USGenWeb Project bylaws -- that is, IF
we wanted to remain affiliated with them. However, you should be aware
that in some XXGeWebs, the SCs do not follow all the USGenNet Project
bylaws -- and seemingly the Advisory Board turns a blind eye to those
infractions. Methinks that if we did not follow the bylaws re
elections, national would do nothing.
Lastly, my dictionary tells me that there is a difference between the
words "simple" and "legal." <g>
Fred Smoot
Pend Oreille Co. WA CC.
Well the word simple just got lost.
We had open nominations. Only one name was nominated.
We agreed to find impartial people to run the election and there was no disagreement to the election committee supervising the election.
The election committee decides that the majority have spoken because we placed no other in opposition...
and finds Mike the winner.
That's simple enough for me.
If Fred wants a long drawn out election process of several weeks... and a hundred plus hours of make-make work
from others (the election committee for one) ...that's not fine with me but I will do what's best for the state...
Go ahead waste my day.
Darilee
Well I guess this time Fred has a point. there may be someone who wishes to put in a write in. simply saying Well No one else wanted the job could very well be incorrect.
Mike Please ask them to open Official Elections with ballots as that was our main purpose for asking them to run the election, shoot we could of done that trick all by ourselves!
Steve CC
Columbia Garfield & Asotin Co.
Wa GenWeb Project
Upon Motion duly made and seconded:
"Since Mike Sweeney is the only person nominated for the position of State
Coordinator for the WAGenWeb, and is running unopposed, I move that the
Elections Committee declare Mike Sweeney as duly elected to the position of
State Coordinator for the WAGenWeb."
And passed by vote of the Election Committe members. Therefore, the USGenWeb
Project Election Committee hereby declares Mike Sweeney the State
Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project's State of Washington.
The USGenWeb Election Committee
I think we are still waiting to vote... <grin>
I know that Mike Sweeny was nominated to assume the state coordinator
position.
Hope your holiday was FUN.
Darilee
----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Dechant" <sdechant(a)newgs.org>
To: <WAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 10:15 PM
Subject: [WAGEN-L] Re: WAGenWeb SC election
> I've been away on vacation and without e-mail the past 3 weeks so just now
> became aware of our change in SC leadership. It sounds, though, like we
> have things worked out nicely. Mike certainly has my vote (although I
> guess I missed the election) and Celia has my eternal thanks for getting
me
> into this. I have really enjoyed being the CC for Stevens County and
> appreciated all her help in getting me started. Thanks, Celia, and good
> luck, Mike .
>
> Susan (Gallyon) Dechant
> sdechant(a)newgs.org
> Stevens CC
> Pend Oreille Co-CC
>
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Project Wide Information
Resent-Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 04:21:31 -0600
Resent-From: STATE-COORD-L(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 05:17:17 -0500
From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav(a)mindspring.com>
Reply-To: STATE-COORD-L(a)rootsweb.com
To: STATE-COORD-L(a)rootsweb.com
The EC would appreciate it if you would forward this message to your state
lists. Thank you so much.
***************
Information about things we all need to be aware of:
I know that many (if not most) of you are not the least bit interested in
the "politics" at National Level and pretty much ignore what goes on there.
However, over these past months things have been going on at National that
each of us as Project members need to, at least, be aware of.
There is a new By-Laws Committee that is busy reviewing the existing By-Laws
and will be coming up with a new set to send to the membership for vote.
There is also a grass-roots group that has come up with a new set of By-Laws
(that REALLY have an impact on all SCs/CCs/Special Project volunteers) that
they are trying to get the necessary 5 states to sponsor. If that happens
then that set of By-Laws will also be up for vote by the membership.
A new Guidelines Committee is in operation and they are busy establishing
guidelines for all USGenWeb members and sites. It is assumed at this time
that these Guidelines will also be submitted to the membership for vote.
The Election Committee is being asked by different groups to host some polls
to gather input from the members.
There is a new Newsletter / PR committee that is busy developing a Project
wide newsletter and ways to promote the Project to outsiders.
All of these things have the potential to impact each of us and our web
sites. Over the next few months the Election Committee's web site will have
links and/or information on all of these things.
And just as a reminder - The USGenWeb Project's annual election is almost
here and the Election Committee is busy updating each state's membership
list.
The Election Committee has a registration form on its web site
(http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwelections/) and it will help the EC (not to
mention your SC) if you will take a minute or two to register.
I know that most list owners don't usually post National level information
to the list since so many people don't wish to hear it but I encourage each
of you to find the time to keep an eye on the developments at National since
so much of what is going on will effect each of us.
And, please go register to vote.
Thanks.
Linda Haas Davenport
USGenWeb Project Election Committee
Thanks Mike,
I think this is the best route to go. No sense having the EC around and not
using their expertise =)
Kelly
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Sweeney" <sweeney2(a)wolfenet.com>
To: <WAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 11:21 AM
Subject: [WAGEN-L] [Fwd: Re: WAGenWeb SC election]
> Hi All,
> While contemplating what 2 non-WAGenWeb persons we might enlist for email
> balloting per Fred's suggestion, I thought of contacting the USGenWeb
Project
> Election Committee to see if they could handle a state election for us.
The
> answer was affirmative. This should make it Official, Fair, and best of
all,
> Simple on our part. Are there any objections?
> -Mike
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: WAGenWeb SC election
> Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 06:40:06 -0500
> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav(a)mindspring.com>
> To: "Mike Sweeney" <sweeney2(a)wolfenet.com>
> References: <3CDCA913.BD295FBB(a)wolfenet.com>
>
> Morning Mike: Sure the EC can handle a state election with no problem -
even
> in the middle of the regular election. Just let us know if you want to do
it
> and I'll send along the instructions.
>
> Linda
>
>
Hi All,
While contemplating what 2 non-WAGenWeb persons we might enlist for email
balloting per Fred's suggestion, I thought of contacting the USGenWeb Project
Election Committee to see if they could handle a state election for us. The
answer was affirmative. This should make it Official, Fair, and best of all,
Simple on our part. Are there any objections?
-Mike
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: WAGenWeb SC election
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 06:40:06 -0500
From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav(a)mindspring.com>
To: "Mike Sweeney" <sweeney2(a)wolfenet.com>
References: <3CDCA913.BD295FBB(a)wolfenet.com>
Morning Mike: Sure the EC can handle a state election with no problem - even
in the middle of the regular election. Just let us know if you want to do it
and I'll send along the instructions.
Linda
Greetings all,
Simple is as simple does.
The most *simple* way to handle an election is this.
When nominations are closed, send a list of voters (e-mail addresses of the
voters not required on this), a list of candidates, along with the opening
and closing dates of the poll to our CCs. As acting SC -- Mike can do this.
(Polls should be open for a period covering at least two weekends.)
Establish two non-WAGenWeb people to count the votes. (TNGenWeb used two
school teachers to do this. It worked better than the Yahoo list poll
option.) Our acting SC also sends a list of voters along with the
appropriate e-mail addresses to the two vote counters.
Then a ballot is sent to each CC (by e-mail, of course). The ballots are
actually sent by one of the vote counters, individually to each voter (not
to the list), with a cc to the other vote counter. The CC responds with
his vote to "Reply All" so the ballot gets returned to the two vote counters.
If only one vote counter receives a returning ballot, then a copy is
forwarded to the other vote counter. The header of the returning ballot
will show the first counter if the second vote counter was sent a returning cc.
Only returning ballots from the "e-mail address of record" should be
allowed. Write-in candidates on ballots should be allowed, but only if the
"write-in" candidate is qualified to run, i.e., a WAGenWeb CC.
Votes for Rocky the Squirrel, etc., should be disallowed.
When the total vote is counted, both vote counters should have matching
results. The results are sent to our acting SC.
The vote counters also keep the actual ballots at least until the count is
certified.
Our acting SC announces the results to our CCs. (For simplicity sake, the
CCs can accept the count, thereby certifying the count. That should be done
on our list.)
In an unopposed election, there should not be a "No" option. If someone
wishes to show dissatisfaction with the candidate, then they can abstain
from voting. It should be noted that in order to win an unopposed election,
only one "Yes" vote is required.
If there are two or more candidates are running for the same office, then
the candidate who receives the highest number of votes - wins. Of course
the CCs could mandate that a majority of those voting would be required to
win, however, we do want this to be simple, and since we have no bylaws to
tell one way or the other, we can go the easy way on this one.
I realize this seems like overkill, especially if Mike runs unopposed,
however if WAGenWeb (a.k.a. "The Peaceful Kingdom") ever gets an extreme
nutcase CC like the one we had at TNGenWeb, one who found fault in
everything ever done there, we will all be thankful that we had established
a reasonable election system. We will be able to take refuge in "precedent."
Oliver Wendell Holmes said, "Taxes are the price we pay for
civilization." I would add to this; ' reasonable rules are the price we
pay for an enlightened civilization;' and as Marge said, "...the WA project
has always been 'a class act'..." --- Lets keep it that way!
Fred Smoot
Pend Oreille Co WA CC
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Proposed Amendments
Resent-Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:54:10 -0600
Resent-From: STATE-COORD-L(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:52:16 -0700
From: Richard Harrison <IsaiahHarrison(a)cs.com>
Reply-To: STATE-COORD-L(a)rootsweb.com
To: STATE-COORD-L(a)rootsweb.com
For those who are interested, the proposed amendments to The USGenWeb
Project bylaws submitted by NVGenWeb can be viewed at:
http://www.usgenweb.org/official/amendments.html
-Isaiah
Richard Harrison
USGenWeb Project
Northwest Plains CC Representative
IsaiahHarrison(a)cs.com
Hello everyone,
First of all, sorry to hear that Celia is stepping down. Thanks to her and
all her hard work.
I second or third the idea that we need to follow the rules in order to make
this as smooth and painless as possible in the long run.
Mike has opened nominations until May 13th. That part is done. But now he
can't have anything to do with the elections. I suggest we put Fred in charge
of running the election (unless he is nominated) and we contact the Oregon
State (or other state) coordinator to count the votes.
Molly Deardorff
CC Pacific County
I do believe Molly has hit upon a good idea..Lets hear from Fred and see if he wishes to run the election and by having a out of state SC tally the votes it insures our legal and moral correctness
Steve CC
Columbia Garfield & Asotin
Wa GenWeb Project
I agree with Fred about the importance of keeping within the general
terms of the by-laws...
But lets do it as simple and proper as possible. Please note the
word simple....
I would suggest that another state coordinator or a board member be
asked to count the votes ( a committee of 1) Surely Mike can appoint
someone and then accept the nomination... I don't see any reason for
anything more elaborate unless more than one person is nominated.
Darilee
CC for Skagit County
{{{{{{{{{{{{Celia))))))))))))
From: "Fred Smoot" <dogtrot(a)well.com>
<Snip>
> The *easy* way is to handle this transfer of the SC position is to put
Mike
> in by acclamation.
>
> However, the USGenWeb Project bylaws REQUIRE an election (Article XII.
> State Projects, Section 8) . So IF the WAGenWeb CCs want to be in
> compliance with USGenWeb bylaws, here is the *proper* way to do it.
>
> First announce the opening and closing dates of nominations. Accept all
> nominations made during that period.
> Any person so nominated who does NOT withdraw - who WILL be running for
the position - should NOT be part of the election process.
>
> Announce the opening and closing dates of the election.
>
> The election SHOULD be by secret ballot, and should be conducted EVEN IF
> there is only one person running for the position!
>
> The above is NOT my opinion, but rather, the procedure recommended in
> Robert's Rules of Order.
>
> Now for my opinion. Since WAGenWeb is a very peaceful state organization,
> it would be best to establish good election procedures during the tranquil
> time.
>
In a message dated 5/8/02 10:36:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mvreid(a)eskimo.com writes:
> Hey, CCs...
>
> I want to add MY three cents' worth to the nomination made by Steve and
> seconded by Doug...
>
> I know that Miss Celia knew what she was doing when she selected Mike to be
> "second in command"... we just need to make it "official"... and I do think
> that means (GASP!) an ELECTION, right?
>
> We have been SO FORTUNATE to have Miss Celia as Our Fearless Leader - she
> used the old Taoist management techinique ("Rule the same way as you would
> cook a small fish") to its best advantage, and the entire WA USGenWeb
> Project is proof of her skill!
>
> Now, where do we go from here? Does someone have to officially request "an
> election"?
>
> Regards to all - and a big hug to Miss Celia!
>
> Marge Reid CC Ferry County
> CC Snohomish County
>
I agree with the suggestion! {{{Celia}}}}
Pat Richley Foy
Myrt :)
DearMYRTLE,
Daily Genealogy Columnist
AOL Keywords: roots, myrtle
www.DearMYRTLE.com
LIVE CALL-IN RADIO SHOW 2-3pm SAT EASTERN US
Pierce County Washington