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I've found crayons work well, also charcoal because it is so soft works well
for rubbings, of course, once you return home you may want to use a fixative
so it doesn't smear. A cheap, easy to use fixative is hairspray. I never
use it near the stones, because you never know what the chemicals might do.
Diana
Ps I love visiting the Old Tacoma Cemetery. In high school I took a number
of pictures of the cemetery for use in a report for a psychology class I was
taking. We were talking about death and dying. One thing we did was to
look at the burial customs of different cultures.
-----Original Message-----
From: JAEsMOM(a)aol.com [mailto:JAEsMOM@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 1999 15:21
To: WAGEN-CEM-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [WA-CEM] Hard to read stones
I have heard and read on a page I found in Cyndi's Page that a crayon is the
best thing to use for make rubbings on headstones, and will do the least
amount of damage to the older, softer stone. There are a number of web
pages
that have great hints for successful cemetary transcribing.
By the way, I sure am glad I live where I do, because I hear snakes are a
big
problem in eastern Washington in the cemetaries!
Kathi
Transcribing the Old Tacoma Cemetary
Jill-
I recently returned a book to the library, that explained a number of the
symbols on gravestones. I will see about checking the book out again, and
seeing what I can learn.
Diana
-----Original Message-----
From: Jill Boles [mailto:suzy1@clarkston.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 1999 13:20
To: WAGEN-CEM-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [WA-CEM] What do they signify?
Does anybody know what the clasped hands means on a tombstone? Is it the
International Order of Odd Fellows? Also, is there a site that anyone knows
of that talks about different emblems stand for?
I see a lot of Woodsman of the World inscriptions here, Dum Tacet Clampat
(translation please?) Who were the Woodsman of the World and I.O.O.F.? I
know they were probably fraternal organizations for men, but qualified one
to join?
If anyone can help, I'd be most appreciative.
Jill in Asotin
Hi Phyllis.....I too live in N.E. Washington. We DO have snakes...maybe not so many as
elsewhere, but keep your eye out. I have seen them on my property out of
Colville...rattlers, blue runners, mud snakes and bull snakes..wild turkeys <grin>and
the cougars and bears too......Rella : )
Phyllis Beam wrote:
> Hi, we don't have snakes etc. in extreme N.E Washington. I did the cemetery here in
> Metaline yesterday and was keeping an eye open for cougars and bears. That's our
> fun one here. Parked my car about midway just in case, and let my family know where
> I went. Happy hunting, Phyllis
>
> Fred Pflugrath wrote:
>
> > Kathy
> >
> > > By the way, I sure am glad I live where I do, because I hear snakes are a big
> > > problem in eastern Washington in the cemetaries!
> >
> > I have seen and heard - rattlesnakes, badgers, tices, rats, mice, deer, owls,
> > hawks, and eagles in cemeteries here in Chelan and Douglas Counties. I always
> > wear HIGH thick rubber boots when ever I'm in an unkept cemetery. Did see a
> > rattlesnake in "green mowed grass" cemetery this spring- so they are not just in
> > the unkept cemeteries! But worst, one unkept cemetery, Jamison Cemetery, had
> > an uncovered well, down about 20 feet to the water - and the Jamison Cemetery is
> > in an area that may have ONE grain truck go by every year. No lid and big
> > enough around, that an adult male could easily fall to the bottom! Best not to
> > be going by oneself, especially here in the rural areas of Eastern Washington.
> >
> > Reading stones -- I have had best luck using white tissue paper and a number 2
> > pencil and lightly rub back and forth on the stone. Do know that this works on
> > stones that have their face to the west. The wind on the Waterville Plateau
> > usually comes from the west and the wind does have sand and/or small soil grains
> > in it that hit the stone and slowly the face of the stone is destoyed.
> >
> > Fred Pflugrath
> > Peshastin, WA
Hello all,
I just noticed Jill Boles name. Plus I had to get in on this mass emailing
thing.
Jill are you related to the Boles/Bowles of TN? If so, hi cuz!
<<Jill Boles wrote: Almost 20 years ago I used chalk on my great
grandparents' stone (they were buried in 1929 and 1932), >>
One question for everyone: Who or how do the gatherings of we volunteers
happen? I haven't heard anything here in WA. I'd like to meet others that
have this addiction!
Thanks,
Linda Peters
Tacoma WA
Now I get fired......
I am after only jewelry....M
At 12:48 AM 10/25/99 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 10/24/99 9:40:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
mrail(a)pacnw.com
>writes:
>
><< I might add, I keep something in my trunk to dig with tho,
> in case one headstone is buried.....then I dig the soil away
> from the front of it to make the dates visible. >>
>
>Maggie,
>
>Just be sure you don't dig up any Skeltons while your at it. LOL! (Sorry
>couldn't resist). <grin>
>
>Heather
>
>
>
Oh who told you that. The snakes are scared of us
humans you know.... How many people have been
bitten by snakes reading cemeteries...????
I have seen one snake in all of the several dozen cemeteries
I have read, and it went into the Pool Family fence and
stayed there...Later I went in there and it did not mind at all.
Maggie
At 06:21 PM 10/24/99 EDT, you wrote:
>I have heard and read on a page I found in Cyndi's Page that a crayon is the
>best thing to use for make rubbings on headstones, and will do the least
>amount of damage to the older, softer stone. There are a number of web
pages
>that have great hints for successful cemetary transcribing.
>
>By the way, I sure am glad I live where I do, because I hear snakes are a
big
>problem in eastern Washington in the cemetaries!
>
>Kathi
>Transcribing the Old Tacoma Cemetary
>
>
>
>piece larger than the stone, of course, so that it will draw up a >little
to "inscribe" into the letters. Anyone else have any >thoughts on rubbings?
>
>Jill in Asotin
>
>
Hi List,
I have read quite a few cemeteries, and I find no need for anything.
I just wipe my hand over them. Enough to make the letters
visible, and depend on the different light to make a difference.
I think the flashlight idea sounds good. I never thought of that.
I have been flat on my stomach or off to one side and many other
rather ungraceful positions, and usually get my reading. I have
gone home with sore fingertips many times. Am I going to be
told the oil in my skin will harm the stone? My hand actually gets
so dirty I doubt any skin oil gets on the stone. I really do not
remove all the dirt from the headstone, just enough to make the
letters show through the dirt.....then work the angles....am I
sounding rather dumb? Usually I cannot explain something
very well. <g> Time of day makes a huge difference as we
heard another person say. I do not let this matter especially
when I have driven a great distance to read a certain cemetery.
Usually I cannot return, so must finish today, irregardless of the
light.....
I might add, I keep something in my trunk to dig with tho,
in case one headstone is buried.....then I dig the soil away
from the front of it to make the dates visible.
Thanks for this neat discussion, it is a learning list....Maggie
I forgot your second paragraph.....check these sites
http://norm28.hsc.usc.edu/IOOF.shtmlhttp://www.woodmen.com/
At 01:19 PM 10/24/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Does anybody know what the clasped hands means on a tombstone? Is it the
International Order of Odd Fellows? Also, is there a site that anyone knows
of that talks about different emblems stand for?
>
>I see a lot of Woodsman of the World inscriptions here, Dum Tacet Clampat
(translation please?) Who were the Woodsman of the World and I.O.O.F.? I
know they were probably fraternal organizations for men, but qualified one
to join?
>
>If anyone can help, I'd be most appreciative.
>
>Jill in Asotin
>
>
>
It is Farewell and often used on a spouses' stone.
No the clasped hands is not IOOF. I think
their symbol is the three chains linked together
check this site....
http://members.aol.com/fmosconi/Page6a.html
At 01:19 PM 10/24/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Does anybody know what the clasped hands means on a tombstone? Is it the
International Order of Odd Fellows? Also, is there a site that anyone knows
of that talks about different emblems stand for?
>
>I see a lot of Woodsman of the World inscriptions here, Dum Tacet Clampat
(translation please?) Who were the Woodsman of the World and I.O.O.F.? I
know they were probably fraternal organizations for men, but qualified one
to join?
>
>If anyone can help, I'd be most appreciative.
>
>Jill in Asotin
>
>
>
Hi, we don't have snakes etc. in extreme N.E Washington. I did the cemetery here in
Metaline yesterday and was keeping an eye open for cougars and bears. That's our
fun one here. Parked my car about midway just in case, and let my family know where
I went. Happy hunting, Phyllis
Fred Pflugrath wrote:
> Kathy
>
> > By the way, I sure am glad I live where I do, because I hear snakes are a big
> > problem in eastern Washington in the cemetaries!
>
> I have seen and heard - rattlesnakes, badgers, tices, rats, mice, deer, owls,
> hawks, and eagles in cemeteries here in Chelan and Douglas Counties. I always
> wear HIGH thick rubber boots when ever I'm in an unkept cemetery. Did see a
> rattlesnake in "green mowed grass" cemetery this spring- so they are not just in
> the unkept cemeteries! But worst, one unkept cemetery, Jamison Cemetery, had
> an uncovered well, down about 20 feet to the water - and the Jamison Cemetery is
> in an area that may have ONE grain truck go by every year. No lid and big
> enough around, that an adult male could easily fall to the bottom! Best not to
> be going by oneself, especially here in the rural areas of Eastern Washington.
>
> Reading stones -- I have had best luck using white tissue paper and a number 2
> pencil and lightly rub back and forth on the stone. Do know that this works on
> stones that have their face to the west. The wind on the Waterville Plateau
> usually comes from the west and the wind does have sand and/or small soil grains
> in it that hit the stone and slowly the face of the stone is destoyed.
>
> Fred Pflugrath
> Peshastin, WA
hi, jill, have you tried pellon, the material used for lining things for sewing? works really well and is soft, not injurious to the stone. You can use carpenter's crayon to write with . TRy it, Phyllis
Jill Boles wrote:
> The experts say that even rubbings can be dangerous to old stones, and chalk should never be used because of the abrasiveness. Almost 20 years ago I used chalk on my great grandparents' stone (they were buried in 1929 and 1932), the stone was in good condition, but I wanted to highlight the names. The chalk illuminated the stone well for my photograph. This past summer I went back to the cemetery to photo another family stone and stopped to look at grandma and grandpa's stone, it's almost totally unreadable now. Is this a result of the abrasiveness (and not washing the chalk off, which I didn't know to do, I was just a dumb kid), I'll never know, but I sure do kick myself now for ever using the chalk.
>
> Another way of doing a rubbing that I've heard of is to use rice paper or aluminum foil, neither of which I've ever tried. I suppose you just use a lead pencil on the rice paper, but you use your handy nylon brush to flatten the foil over the stone. You'll need a piece larger than the stone, of course, so that it will draw up a little to "inscribe" into the letters. Anyone else have any thoughts on rubbings?
>
> Jill in Asotin
I.O.O.F. International Order of Odd Fellows
Off Fellowship is a Fraternal Organization, based on the Fatherhood of God and
the Brotherhood of Man. It does charitable work on various projects in the
community. Through its teachings and ceremonies, it seeks to elevate the
character of man, and thereby make this world a better place in which to live.
It is not a religion and only requires that no man or woman may become an Odd
Fellow or Rebekah unless he or she believes in a Supreme Being, the Creator and
Preserver of the Universe, and is loyal to their country.
In 17th century England, it was odd to find a group of members organized for the
purpose of giving aid to those in need and of pursuing projects for the benefit
of all mankind. Those who belonged to such an organization were called "Odd
Fellows."
The women of Odd Fellowship are known as Rebekahs. Their symbol is a 3-link
chain designating Friendship - Love - Truth.
This is probably more than you wanted to know but hope it helps answer your
questions.
Sandy King
Maggie Rail wrote:
> The Oddfellows have three chains I am told....
>
> here is a site that has some info, I have seen a better one
> but can't put my fingers on it right now. Maggie
>
> http://members.aol.com/fmosconi/Page6a.html
>
> At 07:57 PM 10/24/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >Jill, one list I have says that the handshake, which would look the same,
> >means farewell. I got this from the cemetery photos list while I was on it,
> >an interesting list, but far too much mail.
> >Pat
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jill Boles <suzy1(a)clarkston.com>
> >To: WAGEN-CEM-L(a)rootsweb.com <WAGEN-CEM-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> >Date: Sunday, October 24, 1999 1:16 PM
> >Subject: [WA-CEM] What do they signify?
> >
> >
> >>Does anybody know what the clasped hands means on a tombstone? Is it the
> >International Order of Odd Fellows? Also, is there a site that anyone knows
> >of that talks about different emblems stand for?
> >>
> >>I see a lot of Woodsman of the World inscriptions here, Dum Tacet Clampat
> >(translation please?) Who were the Woodsman of the World and I.O.O.F.? I
> >know they were probably fraternal organizations for men, but qualified one
> >to join?
> >>
> >>If anyone can help, I'd be most appreciative.
> >>
> >>Jill in Asotin
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
Jill Boles:
The I.O.O.F. stands for International Order of Foresters
F.O.E Fraternal Order of Eagles
B.P.O.E. Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks
Frank Neher
The Oddfellows have three chains I am told....
here is a site that has some info, I have seen a better one
but can't put my fingers on it right now. Maggie
http://members.aol.com/fmosconi/Page6a.html
At 07:57 PM 10/24/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Jill, one list I have says that the handshake, which would look the same,
>means farewell. I got this from the cemetery photos list while I was on it,
>an interesting list, but far too much mail.
>Pat
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jill Boles <suzy1(a)clarkston.com>
>To: WAGEN-CEM-L(a)rootsweb.com <WAGEN-CEM-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>Date: Sunday, October 24, 1999 1:16 PM
>Subject: [WA-CEM] What do they signify?
>
>
>>Does anybody know what the clasped hands means on a tombstone? Is it the
>International Order of Odd Fellows? Also, is there a site that anyone knows
>of that talks about different emblems stand for?
>>
>>I see a lot of Woodsman of the World inscriptions here, Dum Tacet Clampat
>(translation please?) Who were the Woodsman of the World and I.O.O.F.? I
>know they were probably fraternal organizations for men, but qualified one
>to join?
>>
>>If anyone can help, I'd be most appreciative.
>>
>>Jill in Asotin
>>
>>
>
>
>
Jill, one list I have says that the handshake, which would look the same,
means farewell. I got this from the cemetery photos list while I was on it,
an interesting list, but far too much mail.
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: Jill Boles <suzy1(a)clarkston.com>
To: WAGEN-CEM-L(a)rootsweb.com <WAGEN-CEM-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Sunday, October 24, 1999 1:16 PM
Subject: [WA-CEM] What do they signify?
>Does anybody know what the clasped hands means on a tombstone? Is it the
International Order of Odd Fellows? Also, is there a site that anyone knows
of that talks about different emblems stand for?
>
>I see a lot of Woodsman of the World inscriptions here, Dum Tacet Clampat
(translation please?) Who were the Woodsman of the World and I.O.O.F.? I
know they were probably fraternal organizations for men, but qualified one
to join?
>
>If anyone can help, I'd be most appreciative.
>
>Jill in Asotin
>
>
In a message dated 10/24/99 9:40:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mrail(a)pacnw.com
writes:
<< I might add, I keep something in my trunk to dig with tho,
in case one headstone is buried.....then I dig the soil away
from the front of it to make the dates visible. >>
Maggie,
Just be sure you don't dig up any Skeltons while your at it. LOL! (Sorry
couldn't resist). <grin>
Heather
Jill, I found a web site for "History of Neighbors of Woodcraft" . They describe
the history of evolution of this organization. Women of Woodcraft are a
part of this history. It is quite short and you may be interested in
viewing it. The Web Site is http://www.nowfbs.com/history.htm .
Bud in Spokane
Jill Boles wrote:
> Does anybody know what the clasped hands means on a tombstone? Is it the International Order of Odd Fellows? Also, is there a site that anyone knows of that talks about different emblems stand for?
>
> I see a lot of Woodsman of the World inscriptions here, Dum Tacet Clampat (translation please?) Who were the Woodsman of the World and I.O.O.F.? I know they were probably fraternal organizations for men, but qualified one to join?
>
> If anyone can help, I'd be most appreciative.
>
> Jill in Asotin
Kathy
> By the way, I sure am glad I live where I do, because I hear snakes are a big
> problem in eastern Washington in the cemetaries!
I have seen and heard - rattlesnakes, badgers, tices, rats, mice, deer, owls,
hawks, and eagles in cemeteries here in Chelan and Douglas Counties. I always
wear HIGH thick rubber boots when ever I'm in an unkept cemetery. Did see a
rattlesnake in "green mowed grass" cemetery this spring- so they are not just in
the unkept cemeteries! But worst, one unkept cemetery, Jamison Cemetery, had
an uncovered well, down about 20 feet to the water - and the Jamison Cemetery is
in an area that may have ONE grain truck go by every year. No lid and big
enough around, that an adult male could easily fall to the bottom! Best not to
be going by oneself, especially here in the rural areas of Eastern Washington.
Reading stones -- I have had best luck using white tissue paper and a number 2
pencil and lightly rub back and forth on the stone. Do know that this works on
stones that have their face to the west. The wind on the Waterville Plateau
usually comes from the west and the wind does have sand and/or small soil grains
in it that hit the stone and slowly the face of the stone is destoyed.
Fred Pflugrath
Peshastin, WA
I have never heard of rubbings done directly on anything before. That just
doesn't seem logical.
My husband and children are Makah. Ozette is one of the bands of the Makah
Nation. When my Children attended the Quileute Tribal School in LaPush, the class
went camping at Ozette digs for a few days. The teacher had them do rubbings of
the petroglyphs. They used some cotton cloth and some very soft large wax
pieces. The teacher said he had gotten them at an art store. I cannot remember
what they were called. But they were an inch square and about 4 inches long.
They were almost as soft and lip stick. They made wonderful copies of the
petroglyphs.
Respectfully,
Dora Dailey
The experts say that even rubbings can be dangerous to old stones, and chalk should never be used because of the abrasiveness. Almost 20 years ago I used chalk on my great grandparents' stone (they were buried in 1929 and 1932), the stone was in good condition, but I wanted to highlight the names. The chalk illuminated the stone well for my photograph. This past summer I went back to the cemetery to photo another family stone and stopped to look at grandma and grandpa's stone, it's almost totally unreadable now. Is this a result of the abrasiveness (and not washing the chalk off, which I didn't know to do, I was just a dumb kid), I'll never know, but I sure do kick myself now for ever using the chalk.
Another way of doing a rubbing that I've heard of is to use rice paper or aluminum foil, neither of which I've ever tried. I suppose you just use a lead pencil on the rice paper, but you use your handy nylon brush to flatten the foil over the stone. You'll need a piece larger than the stone, of course, so that it will draw up a little to "inscribe" into the letters. Anyone else have any thoughts on rubbings?
Jill in Asotin