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I grew up across the Duffau Creek from Odel Wright- who married a Holder.
Her brother was Jim bob Holder who ran a Washateria- self serve on Fort
Worth Hwy in Stephen near the Bosque second banks, which sometimes
flooded. . I was puzzled as to how your Holder got from Bosque County
to hood County- unless it was after Neil McLennan was appointed by State
Legislature to organize McLennan County, Then Bosque County then Erath
County- all part of old Milam County. Farmers and ranchers on Paluxy
River had some land on both sides , even when Hood County took the part
of Erath Count across the Paluxy. Those in the area who attended church
and/or school in Rock Church- Methodist Church and public school, or the
Paluxy Baptist church and school and Baptist Campground, did not change
wand go to Tolar when the line was changed. Rock Church and cemetery and
Nancy Smith Cemetery between Glen Rose and Chalk Mountain- once part of
unorganized Bosque County and Erath County.
Between Hico, Hamilton County and Glen Rose is only one school District
with 8 grades. Hico busses the High School from Three Way to Hico.
Hico Mail routes are now in a large part of Erath County.
Records on our family farm in Erath County- Selden - had first records in
Milam County named for Old Ben Milam of Texas Revolution. Several of my
family now buried in Erath County cemeteries had marriage and land
records in Meridian and before that, Waco.
Many buried there died in Dallas - Fort Worth area. .
Jim Bob Holder used to joke about all that mail sent to him marked Box
Holder- he said his name was Bob Holder, not Box.
Some me asked for connections and more info on Sites I mentioned.
1. Hill College Confederate Research Center- Go to Google Search Window
and find first 10 sites listed of 357,000 sites. Contact them if address
not given .
2. for Salado Celtic and Scottish Highland Games - list 10 of 478 for
SALADO TEXAS HIGHLAND FLING and a link to Salado, Texas info. If Motels
are full, try Temple, Belton, or Georgetown.
3. Try SALADO, TEXAS LIBRARY AND ARCHIVES for 25,000 postings. First
page usually most current.
4. For MARY HARDIN BABYLON UNIVERSITY AND ARCHIVES first 10 sites and
links to 21,700 sites.
5. TEXAS RANGER HALL OF FAME AND LIBRARY- Enter this in a Goggle window
and find first 10 of 28,200 sites relating to the records.
6. BAYLOR UNIVERSITY TEXAS COLLECTION- 2,490,000 SITES- any SHOULD GIVE
ADDRESS AND contacts AND LOCATION.
7.NAVARRO COLLEGE CONFEDERATE RESEARCH CENTER- In Google Window search
17,400 sites are listed.
This one apparently specializes on preserving and collecting Civil War
letters and photos which show the futile human waste and sadness of
wars that could have been settled in much better ways. For instance, the
Texas Germans , esp. Sons of Herman Lodge here and nationwide backed
Buchannan- or Breckenridge One had been President and the other was his
Vice President) as a third party candidate who proposed peaceful
elimination of slavery and protection of slave owners form bankruptcy
and schools for former slaves. In San Antonio rallies of this third
party and opponents, there were riots and shots fired in front of Menger
Hotel, which is still open. Texas Germans served in both armies and a
third group were massacred byTexas Partizan Rangers led by aMcDuff
Charles Augustine Wyly
Charles A. Wyly
Many thanks too everyone who responded to my obituary request info in Erath Co.
Here is the obit I am seeking Robert L. Sumner who died on July 17, 2005 in Erath Co. TX..
Thank you again for your kindness.
The Stephenville Empire Tribune should have it. They have a website that
should tell you how to contact them. Sometimes Erath County people will also put
an obituary in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram or the Abilene Reporter news.
I thought you might be interested in this, from Texas Cemetery list.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TXCem] dowsing
> Thanks, everyone. I appreciate all the encouragement, all the questions,
and also the honest skepticism. At the risk of being wordy, I’ll tell the
> I grew up in a little community in central Texas, near a cemetery where
much of my family has been buried for generations. My Dad (now 81) says
when he was young there were many white wooden crosses in there. I (54) don
’t remember any, but there were many field stones when I was young. A
careless caretaker “cleaned up” the cemetery one time not realizing they
marked graves. Some areas of the cemetery are now considered off-limits
because of the risk of digging into existing graves. Most people assume
other parts of the area never had any burials.
> I was on the Save Texas Cemeteries mailing list 5 or 6 years ago when that
first began. Someone brought up dowsing, and I deleted the garbage
immediately. That happened several times till someone told exactly how to
do it, very similar to what Sarah said. That person said one in 4 people
could do it. So I began to wonder if that might help us. I twisted some
arms at a family get-together and got 7 people to go to the cemetery to test
it out, hoping 1 or 2 of us could do it. I had made 4 sets of rods out of
clothes hangers, but no one would touch them. I picked up one set, held
them loosely as instructed and slowly walked across a small area containing
a couple of graves and a couple of empty sites. I was stunned when the rods
actually pulled toward each other and crossed.
> Everyone else was sure I had done it on purpose, but one of my teenagers
picked up another set and tried it. When his crossed, everyone rushed to
try. Out of the 7 of us, my husband, my sister, and my teenage twins were
marking every grave. Another teen, my niece, and I could mark about ¾ of
them. So I fully understand the skeptics; I was one of them. We all were.
Since then we’ve taught a number of people how to do it. For the most part,
those who remain skeptics are those who cannot be convinced to relax their
death-grip on the rods. You absolutely must hold them loose enough they can
turn themselves, and they will. By the way, dowsing is the “old technology”
also used by archaeologists to locate sites to dig. It is the basis for the
“new technology” called ground penetrating radar. Dowsing is more accurate
than the radar.
> Now about our cemetery: 6 years ago I recorded all the names and data off
the 550 identifiable gravestones. It had been set up as a perpetual care
association 40 or 50 years ago, we thought. A few years ago, the trustees
asked a lawyer to check into a few details. She was stunned to discover we
weren’t legal. Apparently, whoever set it up did so by photocopying the
paperwork of a nearby cemetery. She has done the paperwork to get us legal,
and now the last requirement is the plat map.
> My sisters and I and our families are willing to go in and dowse for the
‘lost’ graves, pay for and install simple brick markers, and also make the
plat map. The problem is getting people to believe us, and to respect the
graves we locate. We located a few graves out there 4 years ago but nothing
ever came of it. Some of those graves we found were in areas reserved for
burials - inside curbs or with monuments already set up. One woman said
“just bury me on top of them”; others say to move the old burials. Neither
option is legal. The woman who said “bury me on top” refuses to even watch
us dowse. She said there was probably an old well there or they just dug up
a little dirt to fill in another grave. My husband dowsed over her plot an
inch at a time, with me putting a peg by his big toe every time the rods
crossed. We pegged out a perfect 3 foot by 6 foot rectangle – a grave.
> My sisters and I are hoping to find 1 or more dowsers who could come out t
o the cemetery working on Saturday morning, May 27 and confirm our finds.
We will be doing most of our work on Thursday and Friday, May 25-26, and
would be delighted to have any helpers or observers. It is located beside a
paved road on the Erath-Comanche County line, between Stephenville and
Eastland. If anyone would like to come I would be happy to send exact
> We are fortunate to have new land we can expand into. However, dowsing
should also free up some of those grave sites currently off limits. It will
also show the community how full the cemetery really is and how soon we need
> I first used wire clothes hangers straightened out. Bend about a fourth
of the length down for a handle. We prefer a 45 degree angle for the
handles. Hold as loose as possible. Ask a helper to push the wires left
and right a couple of times to make sure they can turn freely. As you walk
slowly over graves, the wires will swing together. Sometimes the tips will
barely cross and other times they will move so fast and hard that they will
slap your arms. Don’t get freaked out. It was first explained to us that
when a grave is dug and then the dirt returned to the hole, each grain of
soil then lies in a different direction from the way it had been lying for
centuries, thus interrupting the magnetic flow in the ground. When you step
on this ground the magnetic flow then causes the 2 wires to pull toward one
another. That explanation is perfectly plausible to my electronic guru
husband. However, we no longer believe that to be the answer. Suffice it
to say, I think it i!
> s a sci
> ence we do not yet understand. We were told by a professional dowser that
steel works best, so we went to a welding supply store near us and bought 12
3-foot welding rods, 1/16 inch in diameter, for $8. They don’t seem to work
any better for us than the clothes hangers. Oh, and think about graves
while you do it.
> Sorry for the length, but I hope I have answered your questions.
> Elayne Pair Gibbons
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