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Yo!
Well, there is a Goose Creek in Trousdale Co and in 1816 Trousdale Co.
wasn't yet erected. Goose Creek is near Hartsville. This Creek was
probably in Sumner Co in 1816.
DianePay(a)aol.com wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Can anyone help me with the below e-mail?
> Thanks,
> Diane
> Sumner Co.
>
> In a message dated 98-02-26 01:38:36 EST, you write:
>
> >
> > I am trying to track a Samuel Wilson shown on the 1816,18 & 19 Sumner Co
> > tax lists on Goose Creek and I think the 1830 census
FS
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Art, Graphics, Maps, TN Land History.
Patty Sokolecki Smoot, Panoramic Photography.
Personal Homepage: (as soon as I get a round tuit)
Tennessee Genealogy Web; Letters from Forgotten Ancestors:
http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/tnletters/
TNGenWeb; The Maps Our Ancestors Followed:
http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/maps/
TNGenWeb; Warren County Tennessee Homepage:
http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/warren/
TNGenWeb; The Land of Our Ancestors:
http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/tnland/
TNGenWeb; First People of Tennessee: Cherokee & Chickasaw Nations
http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/tnfirst/
Hello David & all -
The 'All Counties' entry has some reasonable aspects to it. I'm concerned
about some of the details, we wouldn't want *all* of those queries just
getting dumped into the 'bit bucket'. 8-)
. . . maybe a short lived bucket though . . .
Also, what about the ability to call the query page from a County page with
parameters? This could allow the county to be already 'selected' -
minimizing confusion.
Dennis Rowland
*******
-----Original Message-----
From: David L. Snow <DLSNOW(a)worldnet.att.net>
To: TNGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com <TNGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Cc: Loonetta(a)Prodigy.net <Loonetta(a)Prodigy.net>
Date: Thursday, February 26, 1998 1:49 AM
Subject: [TNGEN-L] %&*I_)(**^^ Query Idiots
>Bridgett & Nancy,
>
>Need some help on the quantity of "not our county" and useless queries that
>are being submitted by some of our brain-dead "customers" !!!!! It is
>getting to the point, that we are having to delete almost half of the
>queries we are receiving for Benton County. And I know, from previous
>messages, that Benton Co. is not alone in this bombardment of trash from
>the "walking dead".
>
>The following exchange is typical of what we have been receiving (this is
>from a couple days ago):
>
>Received Query:
>
>> PERKEY - looking for any PERKEY'S - we are from Harrisburg, Pa.
>> can date us to 1795. send info to <I won't put in here what I'd like
>to, DLS>
>
>Trying to be polite < and to determine if he could actually read and
>understand English and the instructions on the Query Page > , we responded:
>
>> Hi Mr. Perkey,
>>
>> I received a query from you and just wanted to double check that it's a
>> Benton County Tennessee Query. Please let me know if it is and I will
>> be more than happy to add it to our pages.
>>
>> Alison
>
>Our Mr. Perky responded <and yes, that's his real name>:
>
>>benton county is ok, but would like it in all tenn. counties
>
>Are there a lot of these people loose out there, or are they just
>concentrating on searching for ancestors from Tennessee ???? Why don't they
>go look in Arkansas ????
>
>Please do the following for us:
>
>1. Move Benton County further down the County list on the County Query
>Page. In the Middle of the list would be fine. No queries is better than
>this. I will add a query mailmerge form of some kind to our County Page for
>"real" Benton County researchers would can actually find their way to our
>WebSite.
>
>2. Add an "All County" query item at the top of the county query list, so
>other CC's don't have to go thru this. You can have submissions to the
>"All County" query's go into a cyber "black hole" if you want.
>
>Help us out here, please
>
>Dave
>
Bridgett & Nancy,
Need some help on the quantity of "not our county" and useless queries that
are being submitted by some of our brain-dead "customers" !!!!! It is
getting to the point, that we are having to delete almost half of the
queries we are receiving for Benton County. And I know, from previous
messages, that Benton Co. is not alone in this bombardment of trash from
the "walking dead".
The following exchange is typical of what we have been receiving (this is
from a couple days ago):
Received Query:
> PERKEY - looking for any PERKEY'S - we are from Harrisburg, Pa.
> can date us to 1795. send info to <I won't put in here what I'd like
to, DLS>
Trying to be polite < and to determine if he could actually read and
understand English and the instructions on the Query Page > , we responded:
> Hi Mr. Perkey,
>
> I received a query from you and just wanted to double check that it's a
> Benton County Tennessee Query. Please let me know if it is and I will
> be more than happy to add it to our pages.
>
> Alison
Our Mr. Perky responded <and yes, that's his real name>:
>benton county is ok, but would like it in all tenn. counties
Are there a lot of these people loose out there, or are they just
concentrating on searching for ancestors from Tennessee ???? Why don't they
go look in Arkansas ????
Please do the following for us:
1. Move Benton County further down the County list on the County Query
Page. In the Middle of the list would be fine. No queries is better than
this. I will add a query mailmerge form of some kind to our County Page for
"real" Benton County researchers would can actually find their way to our
WebSite.
2. Add an "All County" query item at the top of the county query list, so
other CC's don't have to go thru this. You can have submissions to the
"All County" query's go into a cyber "black hole" if you want.
Help us out here, please
Dave
A little genealogy humor to lighten things up a bit....
After much careful research, it has been discovered that the artist
Vincent Van Gogh had many relatives. Among them were:
His obnoxious brother...............................Please Gogh
His dizzy aunt .....................................Verti Gogh
The brother who ate prunes..........................Gotta Gogh
The constipated uncle ..............................Cant Gogh
The brother who worked at a convenience store.......Stopn Gogh
The grandfather from Yugoslavia.....................U Gogh
The brother who bleached his clothes white..........Hue Gogh
The cousin from Illinois............................Chica Gogh
His magician uncle..................................Wherediddy Gogh
His Italian uncle...................................Day Gogh
His Mexican cousin..................................Amee Gogh
The Mexican cousin's American half brother..........Grin Gogh
The nephew who drove a stage coach .................Wellsfar Gogh
The ballroom dancing aunt...........................Tan Gogh
A sister who loved disco............................Go Gogh
The bird lover uncle................................Flamin Gogh
His nephew psychoanalyst............................E Gogh
The fruit loving cousin.............................Man Gogh
An aunt who taught positive thinking................Wayto Gogh
The little bouncy nephew............................Poe Gogh
And his niece who travels the country in a van......Winnie Bay Gogh
...tim west...
Scott Co, TN Coordinator for the TNGenWeb Project
http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/scott/index.htm
Hi,
Can anyone help me with the below e-mail?
Thanks,
Diane
Sumner Co.
In a message dated 98-02-26 01:38:36 EST, you write:
>
> I am trying to track a Samuel Wilson shown on the 1816,18 & 19 Sumner Co
> tax lists on Goose Creek and I think the 1830 census p184-120001-11100.
> This Samuel could be a candidate for my Michaels father. Question is the
> only place I am finding Goose Creek is in Wilson Co. Am I missing
> something here or can you steer me in the right direction?
>
Leave it to the Scotts! Maybe someday in this country, with all of our
capability and resources, we may come close to doing what they have done.
We can't even get a census online, let alone births, marriages, deaths, etc
...... Sorry state !!!!
Thought you might be interested.
Dave
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Yo Tennesseans!
TNGenWebs "The Maps Our Ancestors Followed" project has added some new
maps over the past few weeks. Please visit our main page where you will
find links to each map.
http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/maps/
1. "Tennessees Three Grand Divisions"
These wonderful maps were created by TNGenWebs professional "electric"
cartographer Charles Reeves.
2. "Indian Land Cessions in Tennessee"
This very large map (414k) is THE gem of Tennessee treaty maps. It is
from the 1899 book; "Indian Land Cessions in the United States" Please
be aware that there are tiny anomalies in the map, such as: the map
shows the "Columbian Highway" (Natchez Trace) as passing through
Columbia, Maury Co. TN. In fact, the Trace crossed the Duck River some
miles to the west of Columbia, at Gordons Ferry.
3. Goodspeed's 1886 "Aboriginal Map of Tennessee."
4. "Virginia ~ Maryland ~ Delaware ~ 1835"
This map was published by Thomas Gamaliel Bradford of Boston
Massachusetts in 1835. This map almost completes our "Bradford" map
project. Just one more to go. (Alabama and Mississippi). Then we will
have circled TN with 1835 Bradford maps.
5. "An 1851 Maury County Tennessee Map With Part of Lewis, Lawrence, and
Giles Counties"
As pre-Civil War TN county maps are as scarce as hens teeth, this map
is a most welcome addition to our project. Thanks to project Co-host, Dr
Wayne C. Moore for finding the old hand drawn original in the TSLA.
6. "James County Tennessee Civil District Map."
Tennessee created her Civil Districts in 1836. Each county was divided
into these districts. These districts changed with the population
changes within the counties. Not all counties have extant district maps.
Our James county map graphic was made from a photocopy of a hand drawn
map in the Library of Congress. Billie McNamara sent it to us. We plan
to offer online maps of all extant TN Civil Districts maps.
A few notes.
"Stands of Natchez Trace" map has had a correction, with the good advice
of Edgar D. Byler III, Editor, Wayne Co. Historian. George Colberts
Stand (aka Colberts Ferry) has been move to its rightful location on
the Tennessee River in Alabama. Additionally, Mr. Byler has submitted
two new stands in southern Tennessee; Sessums Stand and Jacksons
Stand. If you have copied the original graphic, please replace it with
the updated file.
My little topography map of Tennessee has been re-lettered so it is now
readable.
Of Readability.
When doing scans of the old maps for the web, we are faced with certain
physical limitations. The limitations are mainly monitors (which have
only 72 DPI) and slow modems. We try to keep the graphics as small as
possible to save both disk space and your download time. We recommend
that if you plan to use the map again, consider saving it on a floppy
disk. We keep our file sizes small enough to fit on a floppy. If you
plan to visit the map often, consider saving the file on your hard
drive. This means that you will need to go through the "download" wait,
only once the first time. After you have saved the file, you can open
it in your browser, or in "paint" programs like "Corel," "Paint Shop
Pro," or "Adobe Photoshop.
We apologize to those that have older equipment, and therefore, problems
with large graphics. Unfortunately, in this computer age, the "state of
the art equipment" of today is obsolete tomorrow.
If you find a map that is difficult to read, just hollar at me and I
will work on it.
Copyright.
The TNGenWeb is committed to free online information for family history
researchers. We expect you to save our map graphics for your future use.
Our graphics of archival maps may be used on any personal home page or
be used on any other not-for-profit (free) genealogy page. (A little
plug for the TNGenWeb would be nice if you use our maps). For our modern
maps that bear the personal copyright of the maker, please consult with
that person for permission to use their graphics.
You may consult our TNGenWeb State Coordinator, Bridgett Smith if you
need more information on copyright.
<bascs(a)wizard.com>
Special thanks to Nancy Cole (TNGenWeb Assistant State Coordinator) who
got up extra early this morning, just to finish all the uploads of these
maps.
FS
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Fred Smoot, Dog Trot X Press
Art, Graphics, Maps, TN Land History.
Patty Sokolecki Smoot, Panoramic Photography.
Personal Homepage: (as soon as I get a round tuit)
Tennessee Genealogy Web; Letters from Forgotten Ancestors:
http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/tnletters/
TNGenWeb; The Maps Our Ancestors Followed:
http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/maps/
TNGenWeb; Warren County Tennessee Homepage:
http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/warren/
TNGenWeb; The Land of Our Ancestors:
http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/tnland/
TNGenWeb; First People of Tennessee: Cherokee & Chickasaw Nations
http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/tnfirst/
Hi All,
I have a couple of questions.
1. Does anyone know of a reputable genealogist for doing research in TN? Or
how to find one?
2. How do you find out if a book copyright in 1941 has been renewed?
3. What is the plural of "census"? Or it that plural?
Thanks,
Mitzi Freeman
Hi,
This is "copied" from the USGenWeb site.
Diane
�Once material enters Public Domain it may be republished or copied in
part or in total by anyone.
�A reprint of Public Domain material can be copyrighted. However the
copyright only applies to any new material (introduction, summary, tables,
index, etc.) which was added to the original. The original material is still
in Public Domain and can be
used freely.
�Contact the reprint publisher and or author if you have a question on what
is original and what is new.
Hi,
This information was "copied" from the USGenWeb site. Take a look at all the
information they have on copyright.
Hope this helps.
Diane
�Material originally published between 1921 and 1949 and had the
copyright renewed are protected for a total of 75 years from original
copyright.
�Material published before 31 December 1949, and on which the
copyright was not renewed, are in Public Domain 1949 + 28 years = 1977
covered by pre 1978 Law).
�Material published earlier than 1 January, 1921, are in the public domain
(1996 - 75 years).
�Public Domain - Any published/written material on which the copyright has
expired is considered to be in the "public domain" and may be used by the
general
public without payment to or permission from the author.
Hi ya'll,
Considering that I have Goodspeed history on the Williamson County site, and I
state the source with the "Reprint" information thought I'd better make a
phone call
to verify what I already thought I knew about copyright (which isn't much, by
the way).
I talked to Ron Stinson with Woodward and Stinson Printing Company in Columbia
TN. This company has republished "The Goodspeed History of Maury, Williamson,
Rutherford, Wilson, Bedford, Marshall Counties of Tennessee". Mr. Stinson
stated, "We have no rights to the book".
Just thought I'd let ya'll know.
Darlene Anderson
Williamson County TNGenWeb CC at http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnwillia/
Boone County INGenWeb CC at http://www.rootsweb.com/~inboone/
After a crash course this week on copyright here are some interesting facts.
1) Goodspeed is old enough that we can copy it directly.
2) If we copy it and add to it, only the part added may be copyrighted. (IE
those maps can be but not the original unchanged text.
3) Tombstones may never be copyrighted. What may be copyrighted is the
compilation of tombstone information. (IE a list of all tombstones in a
cemetary)
3a) A side note on 3) If the compilation is in alphabetical order the
copyright is less enforcable. If you make your own compilation and put it in
alphabetical order it should be the same as the original compilation with new
graves added since the original compilation.
4) Permission is not enough to reprint something. It must be in writing and
contain the line ... Grants nonexclusive right to reprint.
5) Any printing that has received public money for its creation may never be
copyrighted. (Some historical societies have a problem with this one) They run
to the state and tell them the importance of printing this or that get their
money and then tell everyone else pay me $45 for this book. Thats fine the $45
dollar part but then after buying the book they tell you you can't use it. As
a matter of fact if you buy it and it states an idea that you use in your
publication or a list that you already have you better have some other place
to reference it.
For all of you who read my last copyright message about Historical Societies.
Take my advice stay well away from them. Always get permission from individual
authors.
This was a raving of Chip Brown who has had a bad week dealing with a
Historical Society. This may or may not be indicitive of your experiences with
Historical Societies.
I do fell better though.
Chip
Union County TnGen Web
Also the USGenWeb has a very good piece online about copyright.
>It's my understanding that the Goodspeed histories are not copyrighted;
>however,
>using a reprint to, say, copy and put on the Internet, is some kind of
>violation.
>Correct or incorrect?
My personal opinion is that it is not a problem, but I'm not a lawyer nor a
copyright expert by any means. Just because somebody has reprinted a
publication for which the copyright has run out shouldn't give them any
control over the publication. My understanding is that once the copyright
has run out (I believe it is after 56 years if it was renewed, for items
published before 1978), anybody can reprint it. But then I have been known
to be wrong at least once before in my lifetime...
An example: I have a copy of "Counties of Tennessee" first published by
Austin P. Foster in 1923 and copyrighted by the Department of Education,
Division of History, State of Tennessee. It has been reprinted, presumably
in exactly the same format as the original (i.e., no original material was
added), for the Clearfield Company by the Genealogical Publishing Company.
No copyright is listed for the latter. My feeling is that there would be
no problem with putting this document on the Web. However, I am aware of
another reprinting of the book which includes maps. Since this includes
original material, then that version may well be copyrighted and it could
not be placed on the Web, at least the material that was not in the
original.
But in another issue, I don't understand how that the initial version of
that particular book could have been copyrighted at all, since it seems to
have been produced with public funds, and thus should be owned by everybody
(in the state of Tennessee at least).
I'd be interested in hearing from others with more knowledge in this area.
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Charles A. Reeves, Jr. | Phone: (423) 966-5768
Specializing in Cartography and Genealogy | E-mail:
10812 Dineen Drive | reevesca(a)ix.netcom.com
Knoxville, TN 37922-1809 | Home Page:
http://pw1.netcom.com/~reevesca/Chas_Page.html
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It's my understanding that the Goodspeed histories are not copyrighted;
however,
using a reprint to, say, copy and put on the Internet, is some kind of
violation.
Correct or incorrect?
>Does anybody know of a good resource or webpage that clearly defines copyright
>laws?
Not sure if this qualifies, but here's the URL for the U.S. Copyright Office:
http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/
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Charles A. Reeves, Jr. | Phone: (423) 966-5768
Specializing in Cartography and Genealogy | E-mail:
10812 Dineen Drive | reevesca(a)ix.netcom.com
Knoxville, TN 37922-1809 | Home Page:
http://pw1.netcom.com/~reevesca/Chas_Page.html
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Hi All,
Here's the weekly update from Danene and Diane.
1. First and most importantly, we changed the order of the main page.
Don't be alarmed--it's all still there. Most of the changes involved
removing the name "Sumner County" from the front of certain items. For
example, the Sumner County Family Album is just the "Family Album."
Eveything is listed alphabetically. I hope you like the changes.
2. Added a new "Wills" section. It contains a "Partial Index of Will
Listings from Sumner County Will Books 2 through 5" as well as a few
actual online will transcritions. This is new effort and we have
started small. Please check it out and feel free to help us add to this
section.
3. Last week added a Sumner County Map with Cities and Towns.
4. Added two new Family Album entried on the Gant Family and the Tracey
Family.
5. We split the Family Album into two sections: 1) Biographies,
Descendancy Charts, and Pedigrees amd 2) Family Photos. Keep the good
information coming!
6. On the 20th we added, "Early Sumner County Marriage Records through
1850, taken from surviving original bonds and licenses." We are very
grateful to Linda Carpenter for doing the transcribing of these
records. Right now, only the Groom - A's are on-line. We will keep
adding a file at a time!
7. As always, the Queries and Surnames have been updated.
Until next time,
Danene Vincent
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Danene Vincent
HOMEPAGE http://www.ionet.net/~keylime/index.html
TNGENWEB Project, Sumner County, TN:
http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/sumner/
Yo, Below is a message I sent to Bridgett Smith a while ago. The
information is still valid now.
It is a list of Middle Tennessee Counties.
>>>>
Just consult a state map to find out what counties are to east or west
of Middle TN.
Bedford
Cannon
Cheatham
Clay
Coffee
Davidson
DeKalb
Dickson
Fentress
Franklin
Giles
Grundy
Hickman
Houston
Humphreys
Jackson
Lawrence
Lewis
Lincoln
Macon
Marshall
Maury
Montgomery
Moore
Overton
Perry
Pickett
Putnam
Robertson
Rutherford
Smith
Stewart
Sumner
Trousdale
VanBuren
Warren
Wayne
White
Williamson
Wilson
This TNState site has a map of the Three Grand Divisions, but the
counties are not shown:
http://www.state.tn.us/tourdev/vacguide.html
The TNGenWeb Putnam Co page has a map graphic showing the Divisions and
counties, but the counties are not named.
http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/putnam/
FS
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Fred Smoot, Dog Trot X Press
Art, Graphics, Maps, TN Land History.
Patty Sokolecki Smoot, Panoramic Photography.
Personal Homepage: (as soon as I get a round tuit)
Tennessee Genealogy Web; Letters from Forgotten Ancestors:
http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/tnletters/
TNGenWeb; The Maps Our Ancestors Followed:
http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/maps/
TNGenWeb; Warren County Tennessee Homepage:
http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/warren/
TNGenWeb; The Land of Our Ancestors:
http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/tnland/
TNGenWeb; First People of Tennessee: Cherokee & Chickasaw Nations
http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/tnfirst/
And there definitely is a WEST TENNESSEE, but right now I can't tell you
exactly where it ends, but I think it's at the Tennessee River.
AND - our 102 year old Aunt Jim Bob Everett Robertson passed from this
phase of life into the heavenly realms at 9 am this morning. She had been
active until a few months ago, going to church, to her club meeting, to
Walmart, and took home many blue ribbons each year from the County Fair.
And was mentally alert until the very end. Heaven is richer, we are poorer.
She was named for both her grandfather's and is listed as a male in one
census (if they only knew) - she met President Carter when he was in Troy
year before last and with finger in his face told him that he couldn't
balance the budget by spending more than he took in. She voted in every
presidential election since women had the right to vote. She is and was
"one great lady."
Jane
At 10:40 AM 2/22/98 -0800, Fred Smoot wrote:
>Yo,
>
>Below Charles A. Reeves' reply to an earlier mailing are my comments
>about Tennessee's Divisions.
>
>Charles Reeves, Jr. wrote:
>
>> >http://members.aol.com/woodchippy/index.htm
>>
>> I hope I don't seem picky, but the two maps you have aren't really "East
>> Tennessee" and "West Tennessee." I wonder if it would be possible for you
>> to label them as "Eastern Tennessee" and "Western Tennessee." As you may
>> know, the terms East and West Tennessee mean something very specific (for
>> example, there is a specific set of 34 counties in East Tennessee), along
>> with Middle Tennessee.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -------------------------------------------+------------------------
>> Charles A. Reeves, Jr. | Phone: (423) 966-5768
>> Specializing in Cartography and Genealogy | E-mail:
>> 10812 Dineen Drive | reevesca(a)ix.netcom.com
>> Knoxville, TN 37922-1809 | Home Page:
>> http://pw1.netcom.com/~reevesca/Chas_Page.html
>> -------------------------------------------+------------------------
>
>Tenessee today is divided into the "Three Grand Divisions."
>
>East Tennessee
>Middle Tennessee
>West Tenessee
>
>Prior to statehood (1796), and even prior to Tennessee's territorial
>period (1790-96) there were legal divisions in Tennnessee.
>
>North Carolina applied these names (at least) to her divisions/districts
>in her "Western Reserve" or "Western Lands":
>
>Eastern Division/District
>Middle Division/Disrtict
>Military Division/District
>Western Divison/District
>
>In 1806, when Tennessee created her Surveyor's Districts, two land
>offices were formed. One in East Tennessee, one in West Tennessee. The
>slight problem is that the "West Tennessee" of those times is really
>"Middle Tennessee" of today.
>
>It seems that there was some consideration given to the fact that all
>those lands in the 1806 Congressional Reservation (generally the western
>third of the state) were Chickasaw lands and perhaps never going to
>really be part of Tennessee.
>
>In any case, it does cause genealogists to take a second look when they
>find an 1810 White Co TN Militia unit in West Tennessee.
>
>After the Great Chickasaw Cession of 1818, the area west of the west
>waters of the Tennessee River became known as Western Tennessee, later
>changing to the Grand Division of West Tennessee.
>
>Another consideration is that in the common usage by the people, the
>terms may have been preceded the offical usage.
>
>FS
>--
><-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <->
>Fred Smoot, Dog Trot X Press
>Art, Graphics, Maps, TN Land History.
>Patty Sokolecki Smoot, Panoramic Photography.
>Personal Homepage: (as soon as I get a round tuit)
>Tennessee Genealogy Web; Letters from Forgotten Ancestors:
> http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/tnletters/
>TNGenWeb; The Maps Our Ancestors Followed:
> http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/maps/
>TNGenWeb; Warren County Tennessee Homepage:
> http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/warren/
>TNGenWeb; The Land of Our Ancestors:
> http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/tnland/
>TNGenWeb; First People of Tennessee: Cherokee & Chickasaw Nations
> http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/tnfirst/
>
>
>
And there definitely is a WEST TENNESSEE, but right now I can't tell you
exactly where it ends, but I think it's at the Tennessee River.
AND - our 102 year old Aunt Jim Bob Everett Robertson passed from this
phase of life into the heavenly realms at 9 am this morning. She had been
active until a few months ago, going to church, to her club meeting, to
Walmart, and took home many blue ribbons each year from the County Fair.
And was mentally alert until the very end. Heaven is richer, we are poorer.
She was named for both her grandfather's and is listed as a male in one
census (if they only knew) - she met President Carter when he was in Troy
year before last and with finger in his face told him that he couldn't
balance the budget by spending more than he took in. She voted in every
presidential election since women had the right to vote. She is and was
"one great lady."
Jane
At 10:40 AM 2/22/98 -0800, Fred Smoot wrote:
>Yo,
>
>Below Charles A. Reeves' reply to an earlier mailing are my comments
>about Tennessee's Divisions.
>
>Charles Reeves, Jr. wrote:
>
>> >http://members.aol.com/woodchippy/index.htm
>>
>> I hope I don't seem picky, but the two maps you have aren't really "East
>> Tennessee" and "West Tennessee." I wonder if it would be possible for you
>> to label them as "Eastern Tennessee" and "Western Tennessee." As you may
>> know, the terms East and West Tennessee mean something very specific (for
>> example, there is a specific set of 34 counties in East Tennessee), along
>> with Middle Tennessee.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -------------------------------------------+------------------------
>> Charles A. Reeves, Jr. | Phone: (423) 966-5768
>> Specializing in Cartography and Genealogy | E-mail:
>> 10812 Dineen Drive | reevesca(a)ix.netcom.com
>> Knoxville, TN 37922-1809 | Home Page:
>> http://pw1.netcom.com/~reevesca/Chas_Page.html
>> -------------------------------------------+------------------------
>
>Tenessee today is divided into the "Three Grand Divisions."
>
>East Tennessee
>Middle Tennessee
>West Tenessee
>
>Prior to statehood (1796), and even prior to Tennessee's territorial
>period (1790-96) there were legal divisions in Tennnessee.
>
>North Carolina applied these names (at least) to her divisions/districts
>in her "Western Reserve" or "Western Lands":
>
>Eastern Division/District
>Middle Division/Disrtict
>Military Division/District
>Western Divison/District
>
>In 1806, when Tennessee created her Surveyor's Districts, two land
>offices were formed. One in East Tennessee, one in West Tennessee. The
>slight problem is that the "West Tennessee" of those times is really
>"Middle Tennessee" of today.
>
>It seems that there was some consideration given to the fact that all
>those lands in the 1806 Congressional Reservation (generally the western
>third of the state) were Chickasaw lands and perhaps never going to
>really be part of Tennessee.
>
>In any case, it does cause genealogists to take a second look when they
>find an 1810 White Co TN Militia unit in West Tennessee.
>
>After the Great Chickasaw Cession of 1818, the area west of the west
>waters of the Tennessee River became known as Western Tennessee, later
>changing to the Grand Division of West Tennessee.
>
>Another consideration is that in the common usage by the people, the
>terms may have been preceded the offical usage.
>
>FS
>--
><-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <->
>Fred Smoot, Dog Trot X Press
>Art, Graphics, Maps, TN Land History.
>Patty Sokolecki Smoot, Panoramic Photography.
>Personal Homepage: (as soon as I get a round tuit)
>Tennessee Genealogy Web; Letters from Forgotten Ancestors:
> http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/tnletters/
>TNGenWeb; The Maps Our Ancestors Followed:
> http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/maps/
>TNGenWeb; Warren County Tennessee Homepage:
> http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/warren/
>TNGenWeb; The Land of Our Ancestors:
> http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/tnland/
>TNGenWeb; First People of Tennessee: Cherokee & Chickasaw Nations
> http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/tnfirst/
>
>
>