I had one of those elusive Swedes in my tree. I was lucky to find that when he married
for the second time (the first wife had died earlier and her death certificate had no
clues) he was required to file an application for marriage and then a marriage certificate
after the wedding. The application had his place of birth and the names of his parents.
That finally solved the missing information.
One other resource would be to follow other children born to Lindgren to see if more
information might have been given.
Good luck on your search.
From: Thomas Ridenour <tridenour(a)maine.rr.com>
To: sweden <sweden(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 29, 2010 10:52 pm
Subject: Re: [SWEDEN] 1880 Census Results
Many thanks, Mark. I have exhausted all sources here in the US. I have his
original naturalization certificate from 1890, and have copies of the papers
he filed at the court house (Trumbull Co., OH) which only tell his birth
date and the month and year of immigration. His death certificate listed
his parents' names as "unknown." Ditto with the cemetery records. He did
not belong to a Church in America.
He lived with my mother in the 1930s until his death in 1941. What I know
about him I learned from her, and this is how the story went:
Har Johan August Nillson Johnson Lindgren (I don't understand the
significance of the Nillson and Johnson names, but he did name his son
Charles Nelson Lindgren) was from a wealthy family. He stowed away on a ship
to America at age 16. Two men were sent from Sweden to bring him back home,
but at age 19 he left again, this time permanently. His family tried to
persuade him to return, but after he married an American girl they disowned
him. He had two sisters, Katherine, and Margaret. In the 1930s he dictated a
letter through my aunt to his family at the address 22 Silgaten Street in
Goteborg, but he never received a response.
If you or anyone else can think of some source I could check--something that
might connect him to his sisters or link him to his birth date, I would
I have inquired about him on this list in the past. But I now live in
Northern Maine where just a week ago my daughters played traditional fiddle
music at the Swedish Festival at the Swedish Colony in Stockholm/ New
Sweden. So I was hoping serendipity might favor me this time around.
Thank you again,
From: "Mark D. Johnson" <markdjonson(a)att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [SWEDEN] 1880 Census Results
Hej Thomas -
Be wary of "traditions" - they are often distorted. There are some real
reasons why prospective immigrants might be "sent back", but I don't
think being "under age" was one of them. There were many Swedish
immigrants who were "teenagers" in the 1880s. The typical reasons for
exclusion of prospective immigrants were things like a criminal record,
communicable diseases, or being a polygamist. Of course, it is possible
he returned to Sweden, either voluntarily or for some other reason.
The real problem here is that there is nothing much to go on to
determine if any of the search results you found is the person you are
seeking. As Martin said, the Swedish "censuses" are not like the
censuses we are accustomed to in the U.S., for example. For example,
there is almost never a day or month of birth included in the early
Swedish "census" records. The parish of birth is usually included, but
that is no help in your case since you do not know where he was born.
Another problem is that there is rarely a last name included for
children living at home with their parents. There is a significant
probability that if he did return to Sweden, he went back to live with
his parents, which means it is quite likely that none of the persons you
found is the person you seek.
I see you have already posted another reply to Martin, so I will address
that here too. The 1870 "census" has not been transcribed yet (except
for Norrbottens län and Västerbottens län), so it is not very useful yet.
Unfortunately, I think you are going to have to do some more digging in
U.S. records to find more information. Have you tried to find him in
Swedish-American church records? These are usually very detailed, and
normally include a parish of birth and/or a parish last resided in. The
Swenson Center in Rock Island, Illinois has an extensive collection of
these records. They have a list online of the records they hold, but
the records themselves are not online. You have to either go to Rock
Island or pay them to do the research for you. See their genealogy page
for more information: http://www.augustana.edu/x13917.xml
Hope this helps -
Thomas Ridenour wrote:
> P.s. Tradition says he was sent back to Sweden after he arrived in
> since he was under age, so it is possible he was back in Sweden on
> 31, 1880.
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