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Dear Dr. Haeffner:
Thank you for your management of the List... It has SO MUCH to offer.
I would like to ask if you have any relations who have migrated from Sweden,
thinking that this may have interested you in the awesome project?
Muriel, Cape Cod
I have been primarily a lurker, though have asked questions also. I've
followed the list for several years now. I believe Dr. H. does an excellent
"balancing" job between the need to keep the list directed at genealogy and
a view that genealogy includes more than the finding of names and dates. I
hadn't replied earlier because I thought silence would be taken as assent.
If it is not clear, I appreciate the efficient and respectful administration
of this list, and the incredible effort and assistance that Swegate is to
Thanks for trying to help. I really appreciate it.
#162 Moving Certificate
#N236 Household Examination HFL Page
Birth Parish, Karlskoga
I have ordered film from FHC before and have visited the Library in SLC
several times. I am glad I did not subscribe to Genline at this time, if the
info is not available.
JKan in S.E. TX
This post should be on the list since it is always possible that you will
find a volunteer here. I do not have any records for Karlskoga.
I told you the correct county in the last post, and even if you don't think I
would know, the same information is on SweGGate. Karlskoga is in Örebro
län.The Karlskoga volunteers on Jerry Longstrom's site will do some lookups. They
wouldn't be on his list if they weren't willing to help. Those are the people
to ask. (It is improbable that they will do the complete genealogy for this
No one can do a lookup on Genline when the records aren't scanned yet. The
only chance you have from this list is to hope that someone here has access to
the microfilms, but they may not want to volunteer if there are already
volunteers available on Jerry's site. You never know, though.
These are the volunteers on Jerry's page who said they'd do lookups for
Örebro (This is the län = county.)
Parish name Years Type of Record Volunteer
Karlskoga 1600's and early 1700's Various resources Kathleen Hedberg
Karlskoga All Various resources Kjell Nordqvist
If you go to that page I listed in my last email, you will find their contact
information. Kjell is also listed on SweGGate. I provided that information in
the last post.
I'm a volunteer on Jerry's page. I can assure you that if I were not willing
to help, I wouldn't have volunteered, and if I felt that I didn't want to
volunteer any more, I would ask Jerry to remove my name. You and your friend
should feel safe about asking for a specific lookup or too, but none of the
volunteers is probably going to do all of that research, or at least not for free.
Orland Park, Illinois
Sent: 10:06 P.M. U.S. Central Time, May 31
In a message dated 5/31/2005 9:54:18 PM Central Standard Time, LoisCasson
I found Karlskoga in Genline but the earliest records were 1861 HFLs for both
counties, they may have been the same records. I am not sure I would have
searched the records without a farm name because Jan hasn't checked any films
and wrote me directly instead of writing to the list.
I was trying to encourage Jan to do her own research. I had answered Albert
who needed help translating and understanding a page he had already found on a
film and copied. I asked him to give me the page number, dates, parish, etc.
etc. and I would look it up on Genline instead of having him send a copy of
I figured that someone would let Jan know the right county and maybe she will
contact one of the volunteers for the counties. Would they do lookups for
I am sure this is a long shot, but does anyone have a full CD set of The
Rosetta Stone Swedish learning software that they would be willing to
lend out or part with? I want to brush up on my Swedish before I go in
September, and I can't really afford to buy it new. eBay has them
occasionally, but they are really expensive. Same for Amazon.
If anyone can help, you can contact me personally at my email address,
not via the list since it is not relevant to the other listers.
Since I am sitting here now 2 month waiting for Genline to put more
Stockholm records on I thought I would ask about towns or cities that would be
annexes to Hångsdala, Skaraborg län. I'm looking to check a birth for one of
my lines and I have looked in Hångsdala and haven't found it. I know there
are sometimes more than one annex to look at.
I used to go to the church descriptions at the Skaraborg län site but now it
is gone and it was so much help to me. Now I feel lost.
Many thanks for any help.
Karlskoga is both a parish and kommun (municipality) in Örebro län (county),
and Värmland landskap (province).
Find it in SweGGate using this pathway.
Regions --> Värmland --> Karlskoga
Especially note this part of the Karlskoga page on SweGGate. Click on the
link for "Website".
"Kjell Nordqvist Researching 7 000 emigrants from Karlskoga to USA Please
exchange info with them ! Website B"
Also note on the main Karlskoga page the suggestion by Dr. Haeffner that you
download the Örebro Emigrant Index.
"Emigrants Örebro Stadsarkiv Emigrant Index from Örebro län 1840-1930, >48000
indiv, Downloadable ! .Karlskoga included. M"
SweGGate tells us several ways to form the Swedish vowels. Follow this
Facts --> Language Guide --> Alphabet, etc.
Orland Park, Illinois
Sent: 9:04 P.M. U.S. Central Time, May 31
RE: Request for Genline Lookup for
Petterson, Olof, 162, N236, Drang, (don't know how to type Swedish vowels),
Rosensjo, Amerika, 1829-06-27, Karlskoga (T), E, OG, 23.
Albert had a copy of the record from the LDS Microfilm that he offered to
send. I told him if he gave me the page number, the parish, etc. I could check
Genline for him and look at that record instead of having him send a copy of
As it happens, I can't decipher county and parish info from the immigrant
record that you gave me. I took a stab at it and found a Karlskoga Parish in
both Närke och Värmland and Örebro but neither parish has records back to 1829
online. Genline hasn't completed that work as yet. Your only option is to
order the microfilm for that period from an LDS Family History Library.
You may want to go to Sweggate.Com to find out more about the history of
Karlskoga Parish and determine which county you need to research. I think one
of the letters in the immigrant info denotes a county, but I don't know that
code. You may find that on Sweggate or someone else may let you know.
Also, requests for info should be made through the list with replies going
back to the list. That way others can benefit from advice that is given as
well as contribute info I might not be able to give.
You said you stay at the Naval Base when you visit here. My husband is
retired Navy and we just spent several days at the campground on the beach at
NAS. We live between 9 1/2 and 10 mile road, but it's nice just to go down and
spend a few days there.
aka Lois Kalander Casson
Pensacola, Florida, USA via
Panama, New Mexico, Colorado,
California, Tennessee, Virginia
To find birth, marriage, and death records on Genline after about 1860, look
under Älvsborg and select "sc" instead of the parish name. You are right that
no birth records for the period you want are on Genline at the moment. I saw
only two "sc" records. They aren't done with scanning all the records yet. I
know it is really hard to wait.
Birth, marriage, and death records from 1860-1920 can be ordered on microfilm
from any Family History Center if you don't want to wait for Genline to put
the years you want on their site. Look in the Family History Library Catalog
under the name of the län (county) and then select "Civil Registration".
Yes, the + (cross) means the person died.
Orland Park, Illinois
Sent: 7:28 P.M. U.S. Central Time, May 31
Send the Parish, County, Year, Page #, and complete identity of the people
you are researching. Explain what it is you need help with. I am willing to
view it on Genline...the records are available through this subscription
service...and I believe there are others who will lend a hand.
aka Lois Kalander Casson
Pensacola, Florida, USA via
Panama, New Mexico, Colorado,
California, Tennessee, Virginia
Hello and thank you so much for your reply. I went back to the records
again - a microfilm from LHC (this area of Sweden does not appear to be
available as yet on Genline). The birth records were for 1871 in Upplo,
Magra, Alingsås, Älvsbogs län. Two questions:
1. Does a plus sign next to the name indicate that the child had died?
2. What does the fraction, such as 18/2 mean? It was in a column with the
heading of what appears to be Rynkable Keluliam.
Thank you so much for any help that you can provide.
>From: "Genealogi/Dr F Haeffner" <Genealogy(a)fhaeffner.com>
>Subject: Re: [Sweden] Swedish birth records
>Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 12:10:11 +0200
>1 Welcome to the list. Don't apologize. Most topics have been covered
>2 In general the book pages are divided in columns, each with a column
>title at the top of the page. If the column title is missing then try
>looking at adjacent pages or the first page of the current section (year
>start, volume start or birth book start)
>3 In birth records the age of the mother or of both parents are often
>4 To give you a specific answer you need to provide the following info:
>a/ the source of your record
>b/ if the source is available on the Internet: a link to it.
>5 SweGGate is usually a good place to find answers but I haven't had time
>to write a specific guide for birth books yet. Some other books have
>under Themes - Church records - guides - How
>Under "Sweden List" you will find guides to successful use of mailing
>Happy hunting and good luck,
>Dr Fredrik Haeffner, KARLSTAD, SWEDEN
>SwedenGenWeb Country Co-ordinator
>Manager of SweGGate Web Portal, SweGGate and Sweden Lists
>SweGGate web site: http://www.SweGGate.com
>==== SWEDEN Mailing List ====
>For simple questions please check the web portal first
>Sweden Genealogy Gate - www.SweGGate.com
>Guide how to use the list - PLEASE READ
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I am new at this, but i'm trying. I found a record of what I beleive is my grandfather in a film I ordered at the FHCenter. I need help reading this record. If I send it, can someone help decipher it for me? Thanks, Albert Sandstedt, Harper, Texas.
I am fairly new to this list. I just want to let others know that without this
list's helpers I would not have been able to locate my grandparents in Sweden
and find out how they got to the U.S. In the beginning the only information I
had was their death certificates (with some incorrect info on them), my
grandfather's military papers, copies of the 1920 & 1930 U.S. Census. From the
list I received info on the 1890 & 1900 Swedish census. Also, from the list I
found out about how they went to Norway to begin their voyage to this country.
From the Norweigan database I found my grand parents. They both went on to
Liverpool and boarded a ship to the U.S. I did find the passenger list showing
my grandmother arriving here in 1901 in the Boston, Mass. port. I still could
not fine my grandfather who came here in 1911. I did know from the 2 U.S.
Census that he was became a naturalized citizen in 1916. They were living in
Chicago. In April of this year I sent a letter to the Illinois Regional
Archives Depository asking them to look up his naturalization papers. This
past Saturday I was so happy to receive copies of all of his papers. Much to
my surprise on his papers it showed that he enter this country at Detroit,
Michigan on the Canadian Pacific Railroad. The ship that he took from
Liverpool put in at Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada. Here I was looking in
all the wrong places for a passenger list with his name on it. He did not
enter the U.S. on the east coast afterall. From the Canadian Archives I am
going to see if I can look at the microfilm of the passenger list from St.
John for the year 1911 thru my library interlibrary loan.
I am writing this to let others know that sometimes what you think is true is
not. If you are having problems finding your family on a passenger list and
they are naturalized citizens in the U.S. I would suggest that you write to
request a copy of them. I got 4 pages from the IRAD and it only cost me $1.00.
Since I am retired and have very limited funds this was very reasonable. Look
for as much infomation that you can from the U.S. Census where your family
lived as that can provide you clues as to where to go for more information.
Sorry that this is so long but maybe it will help someone who is just starting
to trace his/her family.
Karrin - Best wishes for a great trip! Hopefully you'll be able to write a
little synopsis about your trip when you get back. Elsie G
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 2:06 PM
Subject: [Sweden] Unsubscribing for the perfect reason
> Hi to all of you!
> I'll be unsubscribing for the perfect reason! We're headed to Stockholm,
> Örebro, and then to Jönköpings län. My husband and I will be meeting all
> my Grandfather's brothers and systers' children and their kids, etc.
> I could not be any more excited! And, I so want to thank all of you on
> list who have helped me over the last year and one half find each and
> one of them.
> When I started my search, I had only a few names and a very sketchy
> description of where he was born and to whom. Same was so for my other
> So, thanks to all of you. I don't think I would have made this trip
> all of the input from each and every one of you.
> Bevara dig väl,
> Karrin in CA
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Hi to all of you!
I'll be unsubscribing for the perfect reason! We're headed to Stockholm, and
Örebro, and then to Jönköpings län. My husband and I will be meeting all of
my Grandfather's brothers and systers' children and their kids, etc.
I could not be any more excited! And, I so want to thank all of you on the
list who have helped me over the last year and one half find each and every
one of them.
When I started my search, I had only a few names and a very sketchy
description of where he was born and to whom. Same was so for my other grandparents.
So, thanks to all of you. I don't think I would have made this trip without
all of the input from each and every one of you.
Bevara dig väl,
Karrin in CA
Gladys, Lois, et al,
I'm going to put into the mix another slightly off-topic story concerning
the "instant gratification" malady. In the 1970's when I was the
supervisor of the I/O (input/output) Center of Miami University's
Academic Computer Service, we had many students as well as professors
looking for that magic slot in the door where they could just insert
their problem/homework/research project and wait a few minutes for the
results, or if they had to -- come back in an hour or so and pick up the
printed answers, all, of course, 100 % accurate and beautifully done,
ready to hand in to the doctoral committee, the masters committee, the
book publisher, the professor (homework), the department chairman, the
local citizen's committee and on and on. What they knew but would not
acknowledge is that They Had To Do The Work, not someone else. But they
had been told to "let the computer figure out that math or statistical or
psychology or economics problem, so they came to the office, looked
around for a place to put their query so they could leave.
The prize went to the Provost's wife, working on a research project for
her degree. She was the I AM Somebody, type person and was enjoying
running the Town and the Gown (Oxford & M.U.) committees. (Not very well
liked person, either) She wasn't prepared to write the computer program
(in SAS) to get her results, but we didn't have the staff to do that, so
she had to do it. Of course her many beginner mistakes took their toll
on her until she came in just worn to a frazzle, begging for mercy and
help with that stupid program and the more stupid computer. Punctuation
is a big mistake factor in writing computer programs and her biggest
problem were semicolons at the end of a typed line, telling the computer
this is the end of this sentence, go to the next. She came unglued over
a semicolon, just lost it, that was "The Low Point" and things got better
after that, including her attitude. She learned to write the SAS
program, correctly, got her results, (not exactly the results she
expected but accurate results considering what she input), earned her
advanced degree and even thanked us all for our great patience in putting
up with her all those months and holding her hand to get her through and
teaching her so much. I see this with the people on this list, the
newbies as well as the more experienced -- asking for help and giving it.
Teaching and doing it for them. People only learn by doing, not by
having it done for them.
Yes, we're all looking for that magic slot in the door or wall, thinking
we can come back in an hour or so, if that long really, and read the
polished, finished work. TV ads for Genealogy.com don't help either, the
way they urge people to just log on and find their ancestors and their
tree to look at and wonder at it all. Learning is hard work, get used to
it. It's a gift that keeps on giving.
Who found out there's no free lunch, anywhere. Darn it.
Does anyone have access to the Bjuräker Min Släkt book?
Lars Larsson Lundgren b. April 2, 1843 son of Lars Olofsson in Nordala,
The code in the Bergsjö book is (4X) 22 B 10. I need ancestry. Thanks.
It would be nice to get the pages sent as an attachment. Or any information.
Dave Churness from California
SWEDEN ROOTSWEB USER GUIDELINE
I'd like to take the time to welcome you to the Swedish List and share
information that will help make your research efforts more successful.
Please keep this message filed for future reference.
FIRST: It is important to know that the letters with diacritical
marks are separate letters in the Swedish alphabet and
placed at the end, and all lists are alphabetized accordingly. When
people emigrate these letters are altered in both peoples names and
places which may make locating your ancestor in Sweden a little more
difficult. They can be formed in the following ways:
FOR PC USER: make sure the Num (Number) Lock on your key pad is on,
then hold the Alt key and the following numbers from the number pad:
Alt-142 = Ä Alt-132 = ä Alt-143 = Å Alt-134 = å Alt-153 = Ö
Alt-148 = ö
FOR MAC USERS:
The following keystrokes will make the letters on a Mac
- alt(option)-a / - shift-alt(option)-a / - alt(option)-u and
then a / - alt(option)-u and then shift-a / - alt(option)-u and
then o / - alt(option)-u and then shift-o
SECOND: An understanding of the patronymic naming system is also
essential. Use this link to learn about Swedish naming practices:
THIRD: It is very important to learn how to do Swedish research and
what records and resources are available. Use this link to learn
FOURTH: There are many online sights with online Swedish records. The
following link has a list:
One site not listed is the Stockholm Archives. It can be found using
the following link:
FIFTH: The records are in Swedish but you can find your way around by
learning a few basic terms, fdde = birth, dd = dead, vigsel =
marriage. For a more comprehensive list of vocabulary words key to
your records search use the following two links:
SIXTH: For those interested in learning more about the Swedish
language, see note, use this link:
SEVENTH: There are many CD collections available for emigration,
censuses, death records, etc. They can be purchased but many on the
list already own the CDs and will do look-ups for free. This link is
one site offering them for sale:
The Sweden listers are a very helpful group ready to answer questions
and do look-ups, but it is important to pose your inquiries correctly.
All messages sent to the list are archived and can be searched, so
subject lines should be specific. If I need help with a note in an
HFL (Household Examination) my subject might be Translation help,
Benjamin Andersson Öhlin b. 1831,HFL Öra, Älvsborg. This may seem
long, but it may catch the attention of someone related who reads it
on the list currently or searches the archives in the future.
Please do not change the subject line in subsequent messages related
to that subject. It breaks the connection to that string and others
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information so that others can look at the record. In ArkivDigital
click on edit in the top menu and then click on the first option,
Copy source identifier. Then paste it into your message. This is
an example of what you will see:
Jönköpings Sofia AI:16 (1861-1867) Image 14 / page 5 (AID:
v23199.b14.s5, NAD: SE/VALA/00171)
If you are using another source, such as Ancestry, state that the info
is from Ancestry and look for identifying info similar to what is
shown above. Those trying to help can usually find the info if they
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There is one additional page, SweGGate, created by a former list
administrator, Dr Fredrik Haeffner. Though some links are dead, it
has not been updated since 2006, it is chocked full of valuable
information and well worth exploring. You will find the page here:
You will find links for various map resources here:
The records are kept under the old map designations, not the new ones,
so knowing where these places were is invaluable in finding records.
It must be noted that locations recorded in genealogical records
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