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>From: "Diane Richey" <d.e.richey(a)worldnet.att.net>
>Subject: [Sweden] Skelleftea, Njurunda & Skons Moder Parish
>Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:31:19 -0700
>I am new to this list and am looking for resources to find more information
>about my great great grandparents who were born in Skelleftea. And about
>their children who were born in Skelleftea, Njurunda & Skons Moder.
>According to the 1890 Swedish census in Skons Moder Parish:
>SKOG, Konrad Hugo born 1843 in Skelleftea. [He died in Sweden some time
>prior to July 1894 when his wife and children emigrated to the USA.]
>MOREN, Margareta Kristina born 1848 in Skelleftea. They married 11 Sep
>1870 in Skelleftea.
>SKOG, Johan Leonard born 1873 in Skelleftea
>SKOG, Kristina Konkordia born 10 Jan 1876 in Skelleftea
>SKOG, Konrad Ferdinand born 1878 in Njurunda, W. norrland
>SKOG, Alexander Hugo "Axel" born Mar 1882 in Skons Moder Parish
>SKOG Agnes Matilda born 5 Dec 1884 in Skons Moder
>SKOG, Karl Adolf born 1887 in Skons Moder
>Can someone tell me how to find birth records for all of these people? How
>can I find out when the father died? How do I find information about the
>parents of Konrad Hugo SKOG (Johan & Anna SKOG) and Margareta Kristina
>MOREN (Jacob MOREN and B. BURMAN)?
>I have the Immigration CD information on this family and now need to find
>their Swedish Roots.
>Thanks in advance for your help.
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Vegemite is a peculiarly Australian food made primarily from yeast extract,
salt and malt extract. I believe it was originally invented when they were
searching for a way to use the brewers yeast sludge left over after making
beer. It is very rich in the B vitamins and 5 grams of vegemite, about a
teaspoonful, contains 25% of the RDI of niacin and riboflavin and 50% of the
RDI of thiamin and folate.
Primarily it is used as a sandwich spread, especially on toast at breakfast
instead of jams or marmalades. It does have many other uses as well. You
can visit their web site to find out more:
Can I say that after 35 years in Australia I still cannot stand the stuff?
I freak out if the boys put the knife back in the butter after spreading it
on their toast as the whole packet will be affected by it's very strong and
distict flavour. It is dark brown bordering on black in colour, VERY salty,
and tastes as you might expect given the ingredients. Australian will never
forgive me for saying this but the stuff is totally revolting and I think
you have to be born here to ever like it. In other words, force-fed from
>What is Vegemite? Never heard of...
>IŽm from "the heart of Sweden", Dalarna.
>Hi Sue & Marie,
>What about Vegemite? Are you from Oz or
>Adelaide, South Australia.
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Gladys, if I use your idea, then Genline is also should have a disclaimer for
it has the same information as Vital Records Index at LDS. Disbyt says that
it is a secondary information because it is GEDCOMS submitted to them and it is
similar to the IGI at LDS. Sweggate is a very new site, for swedegen,
SCANGEN, smultron and the SWEDEN-L has been running a lot longer than sweggate! Even
the information at sweggate could have errors for they got it from those other
sites. And when people put their information down on paper, it could also be
wrong. Take DDSS.nu as an example, I have Åke Pehersson who also listed as Åke
Pårsson his wife was both Svensdotter and Swensdotter and only her first name
was the same on all 6 Barnet född. I had a son and fader sent in 1999 with
130 year of Johanna's anor and both had the same name. It was the only big error
in 130 years. I use DDSS, LDS & Disbyt to see if the names and dates match
and their names could have some minor changes while you use and qoute one
source?? Is Sweggate a primary or a secondary source? Get serious, Gladys I would
venture to say that the woman who sent me those 130 years did an excellent and
very serious work for me. She had Johanna Sonnberg as the first name; DDSS has
her as Johanna Sandberg whe she married and her husband's single name was
Mattis Andersson, married as Matts Andersson i Ivetofta parish. Now that is also
spelled on the DDSS as Ifwetofta & Ifvetofta I have seen Åkesson spelled
Åkasson, Åkason, Akesson and Åckason in the parish. Also, they had Matts Andersson
as from Sölvesborg, actually, he was born in Ysane sn. , Sölvesborg kommun,
Blekinge län and both moved to Jämshög s-n i Blekinge län, and when they left
Sweden for America, now Mats Anderson, Johanna Sandberg, søn Carl August and
datter was listed as Elin Christina ( both as Anderson) and that was in Denmark
to a feeder line from Köpehamn to England. There was one not listed, that is on
the utflyttebegyt for Johanna and her children and that was Vilhelm. Their
first names changed in the US, Martin, Charles, Ellen & William A.,were all
Andersons (1880 Census for ILL) has them listed, Johanna was now Johannah
Sownberg. Later, her last name was Stromberg. I have pictures of them when William A.
Anderson died and he had married Alice May Gray on 15 APR 1800, in Roseville,
Warren County, ILL. This is from an Obituary of William(Vilhelm) A. Anderson.
Martin/Matts/Mattis Anders(s)on wife is listed as Johanna (Stromberg) and
there were 3 more children born in the US. 1921, William moved from Roseville to
Kanorado, and in 1933 to Goodland, both in KS, He is buried in Kanorado, KS. At
his funeral, Mrs. Lucy Jensen & Mrs. Rena Olson from Kanorado. KS. Also Frank
K.Anderson, Goodland, KS; Dwight Anderson of Hondo, Alberta Canada, Guy E.
Anderson of Corning, Iowa, my grandmother, Gertrude Lewis, William Anderson's
daughter. Nelle Anderson of Roseville, ILL & Elmer E, Anderson of Galvesburg,
ILL(both never married). 17 grandchildren were there to mourn his passing. There
was more, him and his dad, Martin went ino business together whe he was
young. Now that there are a lot of name changes, none of the sites you spoke about
was the reaso that there were changes. Parish priests and priests here with
two ships he travelled on are! For Hannäs in Härjeden, go to this site:
Yes, it is true that many of the men in the books seem to be "bad guys."
But not all. And what I like about her is that many of the women are
realistic sort of heroines, which you don't get too much in American
fiction. Women too often have to have a man to save them. I like the idea
that the Swedish women - along with Swedish men - are strong.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bart Hansen" <kilmory(a)earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 5:55 AM
Subject: [Sweden] Hanna's Daughters
> My take from the book was that Marianne Fredriksson had a rather poor
> opinion of Swedish men. Can they all be that bad? No.
> Of course she is not only author of either gender who exaggerates the
> means by which men get along with women.
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Hi Rhonda -
I am also having the same problem. I can access other sites so I
presume Genline is having problems.
> Hi everyone and Happy Halloween!
> Does anyone know if something's wrong with Genline? I have been
> trying to log in all day and can't get on. Is anyone else having this
> Rhonda in PA
In a message dated 10/31/2003 10:18:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
<<I have read the book Hanna's Daughters & consider it an explanation for me
of some of my idiosyncratic character traits.>>
It's interesting to read the remarks from those of you who have read Hanna's
Daughters. I have to admit that I found the book to be very depressing,
especially during the parts covering the second and third generations of that
family! In no way, could I relate to the characters in the book, especially those
in the most recent generations. All of my grandparents were born and raised
in Sweden, and my mother, although born in the USA, lived there for 4 years
when she was young. Their lives were not without problems, but they faced these
problems with a sense of assurance that "all would be well", and, eventually,
it always was!
On the other hand, I was very emotionally moved by the same author's book
entitiled Simon's Family. That book gave me a great deal of insight into what
life was like in Sweden during the years that I was a child living here in the
US. It opened my mind to things happening in Sweden then that I had never
even thought of before I didn't want the book to end!
I see that Ancestry.com has a new every name index to the 1870 census.
Now I have been using the Genealogy.com index for a while now, but
theirs is not an every name index.
So I am offering LOOKUPS to folks for the weekend. Please write me
offlist BEFORE Monday and I will do as many as I can. Also please state
where these people might have lived, when/where they were born and any
other data you can that will help identify the correct people. They do
not have to be Swedes...
Hope I can find some lost ancestors for you.
Please be understanding if I can not find your people. I just looked up
one of my relatives who I knew where they were in 1870. The last name
was Lamphire and it was indexed under Sampline...
I can't get through to www.genline.com right now, so perhaps the site IS
down. Try again tomorrow. This happens from time to time with all sites.
Orland Park, Illinois
Sent: 8:40 P.M. U.S. Central Time, October 31
Not to jump in on your question to Dr. Fredrik. But I happen to agree
with the majority of what you wrote. :)
There are times to use derivative and secondary sources, but that is
mainly as a means to locate the "real" sources, ie. original records (or
microfilmed/scanned) made at the time of the event or filmed by a
reputable source. "Real" genealogies use derivative and secondary
sources only as a finding aide or in conjunction with other derivative,
secondary or even primary sources to build a solid case for identity.
One example that I thought of being used to build a solid case is, a
transcription of a record book which was later lost to disaster. While
it was perhaps not created at the time of the event, it was created by
an uninterested party most likely and was giving reference to a
particular person and a particular event in the original record book.
Now you would need more than that transcription to make a solid case,
but it could be used. Another example would be what you mentioned the
other day, using SS-5 (Social Security application) to find parents
names, now that is a good record, but it was not created at the time of
the birth of that person and not by the mother or another present at the
birth. So it can only be used as a secondary source for the parents of
the individual. But in conjunction with a baptismal certificate, school
records, death record, all giving the same set of parents. The weight of
the evidence is growing great enough that it is pretty convincing and
you could write a pretty good case for the child being born to those
parents listed in each record.
I know you were mainly talking about "online" resources and their use by
people who presume they are adding to their family when they enter names
into their databases. We just have to remind and remind everyone that
online or offline sources that are not primary sources should not be
used as the only source in proving any piece of information. Almost
nothing in genealogy can be taken as fact.
And your mention of folks using the IGI or Vital Records Extractions
from the LDS FamilySearch site is good too. We all have to remember to
write down where the information came from. How will you know ten years
down the line if you looked at the IGI or the Church Book if you do not
state which one you looked at?!
An excellent lecture in using secondary sources to make a case is
"Margaret's Baby's Father and the Lessons He Taught Me" by Elizabeth
Shown Mills recorded at the NGS Conference in the States, Milwaukee
Wisconsin, May 2002. Available from Repeat Performance (www.audiotapes.com)
Other excellent articles about the Genealogical Proof Standard are at
Now I will step off the soap box and let someone else have their 2 minutes!
Thanks Gladys for bringing up something very important to ALL genealogists.
Good Luck in your searches
Hi everyone and Happy Halloween!
Does anyone know if something's wrong with Genline? I have been trying
to log in all day and can't get on. Is anyone else having this problem?
Rhonda in PA
*Swanson Family Genealogy Website- My maternal ancestors in Halland, Småland, and Skåne Regions- Sweden. http://swansonfamily.homestead.com - for Swedish genealogy, recipes, history, and more.
*Morelli Family Genealogy Website- My paternal ancestors from Trento in the northern Alps region of Italy (Austria). http://morellitree.homestead.com
Chris, Thanks for the link. I appreciate your help. Diane
----- Original Message -----
From: "chris troy" <christroy75(a)hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Sweden] Skelleftea, Njurunda & Skons Moder Parish
> Skellefteå, Njurunda adn Sköns parish record extracts are available online
> at Indiko:
> It is a paid subscription service. Click on 'In English' in the blue box
> the right.
> Cheers, Chris
> >From: "Diane Richey" <d.e.richey(a)worldnet.att.net>
> >Reply-To: SWEDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> >To: SWEDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> >Subject: [Sweden] Skelleftea, Njurunda & Skons Moder Parish
> >Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:31:19 -0700
> >Greetings everyone,
> >I am new to this list and am looking for resources to find more
> >about my great great grandparents who were born in Skelleftea. And about
> >their children who were born in Skelleftea, Njurunda & Skons Moder.
> >According to the 1890 Swedish census in Skons Moder Parish:
> >SKOG, Konrad Hugo born 1843 in Skelleftea. [He died in Sweden some time
> >prior to July 1894 when his wife and children emigrated to the USA.]
> >MOREN, Margareta Kristina born 1848 in Skelleftea. They married 11 Sep
> >1870 in Skelleftea.
> >SKOG, Johan Leonard born 1873 in Skelleftea
> >SKOG, Kristina Konkordia born 10 Jan 1876 in Skelleftea
> >SKOG, Konrad Ferdinand born 1878 in Njurunda, W. norrland
> >SKOG, Alexander Hugo "Axel" born Mar 1882 in Skons Moder Parish
> >SKOG Agnes Matilda born 5 Dec 1884 in Skons Moder
> >SKOG, Karl Adolf born 1887 in Skons Moder
> >Can someone tell me how to find birth records for all of these people?
> >can I find out when the father died? How do I find information about the
> >parents of Konrad Hugo SKOG (Johan & Anna SKOG) and Margareta Kristina
> >MOREN (Jacob MOREN and B. BURMAN)?
> >I have the Immigration CD information on this family and now need to find
> >their Swedish Roots.
> >Thanks in advance for your help.
> >==== SWEDEN Mailing List ====
> >Companion list for research topics
> >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records,
> >go to:
> Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to
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In a message dated 10/31/2003 9:23:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
In the US, this holiday is called Halloween
Ann, that quoted statement is not really correct.
In the US, many of the Christian churches celebrate All Saints' Day on the
first Sunday in November, too, although the correct calendar day for All Saints'
Day is November 1. It is a religious celebration. In the Lutheran Church,
for example, we remember on that Sunday, all those members who have died in the
previous year, and their names are read to the congregation by the Pastor.
It is a celebration of their lives.
On the other hand.......Hallowe'en, as I understand it, is the result of
combining an ancient Celtic pagan tradition with the practices of the early
Christian Church. The non religious celebration called Hallowe'en (because it
occurs on a Hallowed Evening, October 31, the day before the appointed calendar day
of All Saints Day) was imported to the US, probably from Ireland, early in
our nation's history.
Neither All Saints Day nor Hallowe'en is an official holiday in the US.
I hope this helps to clarify Hallowe'en in the US for our Swedish friends.
It is an evening of fun for children and some adults which, today, has no real
connection to the religious celebration of All Saints' Day! In fact, I just
finished greeting all sorts of little goblins, skeletons, witches, etc. who
came to my front door tonight, admonishing me with the words "Trick or treat!".
They each received their treat and went happily running to the house next
door. I enjoyed their visits very much!
At the following site: http://www.webfamilytree.com/swedish_place_names.htm
1.Älvsåker Parish in Kungsbacka Municipality, Hallands County, Sweden
(Sara) There are listed 4 Harnösands, two are former parishes:
1.Härnösand, former parish in Härnösands
Municipality Västernorrlands County, Sweden 2.Härnösands Municipality in
Västernorrlands County, Sweden 3.Härnösands
domkyrkoförsamling Parish in Härnösands Municipality, Västernorrlands County,
4.Härnösands hospitalsförsaml. former parish
in Härnösands Municipality Västernorrlands County, Sweden There are seven
parishes listed as Gävle and they are in the same municipality, except the first
one and all are in Gävleborgs County, Sweden: 1. Gävle,
2. Gävle Heliga Trefaldighet, Parish
Gävle hospitalsförsamling former parish
4. Gävle Maria, Parish
Gävle romersk-katolska, former parish
6. Gävle Staffan, Parish
7. Gävle Tomas, Parish
Three are former Parishes and
four are Parishes! Roy, no wonder they are hard to find! I'm getting bleary and
tired And nearly falling asleep. Hopefully, this may be a Godsend for you.
Thanks very much for checking the records. The records I saw had been very
poorly copied, and also lacked a parish name or film number. I will help her
pursue all the branches of her tree. I think she has ordered some of the
films for Östmark and Lakvattnet parish. This time I will show her how to
copy the entire page, note the film number and follow each generation from
birth to death.
Thanks for all the help!
Haven't seen Vegemite for sale in the US. I didn't look for it when I was in Sweden.
-- steph-ken <steph-ken(a)bigpond.com> wrote:
Hi Sue & Marie,
What about Vegemite? Are you from Oz or elsewhere?
Adelaide, South Australia.
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I got this posting yesterday just fine.
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:10:25 -0500 "Cindy Furman"
> I am re-posting this, since I didn't see it in the digest today. I
> yesterday at 4:40. I saw the post from Dr. Haeffner about email
> with attibi (spelling?) address's but I'm not on that server. Sorry
> if this
> will show up twice. Cindy
> I am helping a cousin find his grandmother and her sister, whom he
> seem to locate on the Ellis Island site.Here is what he has on them:
> Elsa Maria Karlsson b. Nov 9, 1888
> Ann Karlsson b. 1886
> They lived in the village of Zinkgruvan/Närke in Orebro Co. Sweden.
> should be 20-21years (Elsa) and 22-23 years (Ann) in 1909. They
> should have
> a destination of Chicago, Illinois. Appreciate any help. Cindy
After my visit to New Zealand and Australia, all I can say is: your
Can I say that after 35 years in Australia I still cannot stand the
I freak out if the boys put the knife back in the butter after spreading
on their toast as the whole packet will be affected by it's very strong
distict flavour. It is dark brown bordering on black in colour, VERY
and tastes as you might expect given the ingredients. Australian will
forgive me for saying this but the stuff is totally revolting and I
you have to be born here to ever like it. In other words, force-fed
Thanks for the website Chris, although I must say, from the picture.. well,
the word appetizing didn't quite spring to mind.
Not having heard of Vegemite before, the first thing that it made me think
of was the "I Love Lucy" episode, where she does the Vitameatavegamin (or
however they spelled it) commercial. I wonder if the two thing taste
P.S. Yes, I know Vitameatavegamin wasn't real! ;)
Just to add to what Ann Viking Saetre said on the subject, the word
Halloween is a contraction of the English phrase All Hallow E'en, meaning
the evening or day before All Saints (Hallowed or Holy) Day, as Christmas
Eve is the day before Christmas Day.
Edie in Maine
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