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Judy,
About the lookups involving the census is yes, I have to use the online
census. It is very time consuming especially if the only thing I know is a
state or a general territory.
Dorothea
In a message dated 6/1/01 12:48:40 AM Central Daylight Time, Dw819(a)aol.com
writes:
> How can you check the census of each state without going through each
> township?
>
>
Hi,
If you get the Soundex index (microfilmed), you find the person using the
proper Soundex code. When you find him/her, you copy down the information for
Enumeration District (E.D.), page, line, and I think there is a fourth thing
to copy but it escapes me at this wee hour of the morning. <G> Then you have
to get another microfilm, this time for the census. (There is a book to use
to check which census film is needed for a particular ED number.)
Then you go to the census and look up the ED number. Once you get to the ED
number, you slow down and look for the page number. Once you find the page
number, you look for the line number.
I don't worry much about the township. <G>
For unindexed states (in 1910), it is much harder and I don't have an easy
answer. You look for the county and then the township and then read line by
line. If you know the address, you can look for the street.
I suspect you are trying to do this without the Soundex and trying to use the
online censuses. That is more trouble, but not everyone lives 30 minutes away
from NARA as I do. I haven't tried doing that, so I am not aware of the
difficulties.
Good luck!
Judy
In a message dated 05/31/2001 4:28:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Ricrac186(a)aol.com writes:
> Judy,
> Thank you very much, I got on!! :-) You have a wonderful wealth of
> knowledge!!
>
> Ricky Harris
Judy, Sue, Rune and the others who answer our questions all day (and night)
long are all great! They have so much genealogy experience and are so
willing to share it. And the patience they must have to deal with all of the
listers who are just learning. I think they should be told every once in
awhile how much we appreciate them.
Mary Mangerson
Murrieta, CA
The SOUNDEX will tell you exactly where to look for your ancestor. A
librarian at an LDS Family History Center will help you navigate this system.
Jean
In a message dated 5/31/01 8:02:13 PM Central Daylight Time,
KPhill2906(a)aol.com writes:
> Family rumor also says the Trast's were formerly Olsen's and
> Johnson's and the name was changed????
>
>
Hi again,
Now that his parish has been found, you can spend some time checking names in
Sweden.
Check SweGGate.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~swewgw/
Follow this path.
Facts --> Names and naming practices --> Naming practices (several links to
informative articles.)
Learn how and why Trasts were Olsons and Johnsons (Swedish version of
Johnson) at one time :-)))
Judy
The fourth thing is the volume, it is not as late in California as in
Illinois. Sue
On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 02:02:29 EDT JudySkate(a)aol.com writes:
> In a message dated 6/1/01 12:48:40 AM Central Daylight Time,
> Dw819(a)aol.com
> writes:
>
>
> > How can you check the census of each state without going through
> each
> > township?
> >
> >
>
> Hi,
>
> If you get the Soundex index (microfilmed), you find the person
> using the
> proper Soundex code. When you find him/her, you copy down the
> information for
> Enumeration District (E.D.), page, line, and I think there is a
> fourth thing
> to copy but it escapes me at this wee hour of the morning. <G> Then
> you have
> to get another microfilm, this time for the census. (There is a book
> to use
> to check which census film is needed for a particular ED number.)
>
> Then you go to the census and look up the ED number. Once you get to
> the ED
> number, you slow down and look for the page number. Once you find
> the page
> number, you look for the line number.
>
> I don't worry much about the township. <G>
>
> For unindexed states (in 1910), it is much harder and I don't have
> an easy
> answer. You look for the county and then the township and then read
> line by
> line. If you know the address, you can look for the street.
>
> I suspect you are trying to do this without the Soundex and trying
> to use the
> online censuses. That is more trouble, but not everyone lives 30
> minutes away
> from NARA as I do. I haven't tried doing that, so I am not aware of
> the
> difficulties.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Judy
>
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By using the soundex and/or printed indexes depending on the year. There
is a new 1880 census index transcription, that covers everyone not just
those with children under 10, out on CD from familysearch.com which you
will find under purchase or softwear and there are census indexes printed
for most every state through 1870, and there is a soundex for 1900 and
1920 and a miracode for some states in 1910
If you know where your people are located and it is a small township all
you have to do it read the whole thing film for that county or township
and not bother with the soundex,but if it is NYC or Chicago you want to
use a soundex. There are some CD's available at heritage quest and other
places that put out census CD's. Ancestry.com has most of the states
indexes on their site through 1870 for sure and sometimes 1880. Our
library subscribes to Ancestry, so you can come to the library and access
ancestry.
Sue
On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 01:43:03 EDT Dw819(a)aol.com writes:
> How can you check the census of each state without going through each
>
> township?
>
> Många Hälsningar,
>
> Dorothea
>
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At 06:28 PM 5/31/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>______________________________X-Message: #5
>Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:37:42 EDT
>From: JudySkate(a)aol.com
>
>In a message dated 5/31/01 3:59:33 PM Central Daylight Time,
>davepeg(a)ix.netcom.com writes:
>
> >
> > Yes, she was, and still is 'my brick wall'. I still don't have positive
> > parents names yet! so don't know what parish or anything other than
> > Göteborg! Thanks.
> >
>
>Hi,
>
>Well, since she came in 1901, the passenger lists are more helpful and often
>give the last residence. Maybe you will find which of the many parishes she
>lived in when she was in Göteborg. Perhaps with this new information, she
>could be found on that Ellis Island site or at a different port, if you can't
>find her online at Ellis Island. Maybe a new Emigrant CD lookup with that
>information might help. (She still might have another name used in Sweden.
>She might have been Signe Anna, for example. <G>)
>
>At least you have found something! Have you checked to see if she joined a
>Swedish American church? Those records are kept at the Swenson Center. If she
>joined, you will find her parish name. (After we found out the parish name
>information from the Söder CD, church records from Jamestown, New York, also
>gave the birth parish of my farmor's brother as Adolf Fredrik in Stockholm.
>Those church records are very detailed. They give the parish and not just the
>city.)
>
>http://www.augustana.edu/administration/swenson/fhguide.htm
>
>You have at least knocked a brick or two out of that brick wall, and you can
>continue to chisel away at it. Thanks for sharing that bit of success and
>keep us updated!
>
>Judy
Hi Judy,
Yes, my next goal is the 1901 passenger lists to Portland,
Maine. According to family, that is where she arrived. There is a 13 year
old Anna Larson who left from Malmo and arrived at Ellis Island, but I have
already corresponded with Sweden and she is not my Anna :-{.
I've also been trying to have someone check the Brockton MA city
directories as I know she was there in 1907. I have not found her in any
Portland, Maine records..... but not sure how long she stayred in
Maine. Her life from 1901 to 1907 is a mystery.
I checked the Lutheran churches in the Brockton area.... no
luck. According to my mom, when Anna married my grandfather, she joined
the Catholic church..... so no luck there. I've checked the Catholic
Church records, but no mention of where she came from, beyong 'Sweden'. I
will keep you posted. I've checked all of the Larson's arriving in
Portland, Maine on the cd. Anna is not there, so Passenger Lists, here I
come!<G> Wish me luck.
Peg from Boston, MA USA
Transcriber at <http://istg.rootsweb.com>
<http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/7401/>
<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~freckles/>
This seemed to be the proper spelling. Tried it on ancestry.com and found what maybe
my Matilda Bodin married to Nils Pearson with 4 children that look an awful lot like
what I know what there childrens names are.
Lists her parents as Jan Svensson Janson and Lisa Ersdotter.
States that Lisa was born in Fjäll in Mangskog, Sweden
Jan born in Gräsmark, Värmsland, Sweden
Have to email contributor of file to ancestry.com
Tak, James Burroughs
ralarson(a)erols.com wrote:
> "Bodine" or "Bodeen" is the English spelling that would give
> approximately the same pronunciation as "Bodin" in Swedish. I've run
> into people with both of the above spellings and they definitely were of
> Swedish descent.
>
> Ruth Ann
>
> Ann Viking Saetre wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Apart from obtaining more info within US, add name variations to maybe be also
> > Bodin
> > Bodén
> >
> > Since Bodine isn´t a Swedish name.
> >
> > Happy hunting,
> > Ann
> >
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In a message dated 5/31/01 4:24:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
JudySkate(a)aol.com writes:
<< There are a couple
others with the CD but they aren't "on call", of course, so you might have
to
wait a day or so for a reply. >>
I'm in no rush....she's not going anywhere. :)
In a message dated 5/31/01 8:15:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
Phil72332(a)aol.com writes:
> Mönsterås is in Kalmar län, which is in Smaland.
>
>
Hi,
The mystery is solved!! Smöllen was a phonetic attempt to spell Småland. Many
Swedes felt a close connection to their province and that information was
passed down to their descendants. They weren't thinking of how we would all
scramble trying to find their parish name for research. <G>
Now hurry to your local Family History Center and order the parish records
for Mönsterås. These orders don't come quickly, so don't waste time.
SweGGate tells about those records, and I suggest reading this before you
order anything. Decide which records you will order first.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~swewgw/
Follow this path.
Themes --> Church Records
The information is in several sections on that page.
Happy hunting and good luck!
Judy
Looks like him
TRAST ALBERT 33 AMERIKA US 1908 NEW YORK
TRAST GUSTAF 0 AMERIKA US 1908 NEW YORK
TRAST HILMA 24 AMERIKA US 1908 NEW YORK
Förnamn: ALBERT
Efternamn: TRAST
Ålder: 33 år Kön: M
Församling: AMERIKA Län: US
Titel/Anm: (MEDÅKANDE)
Utresehamn: MALMÖ
Utvandrdag: 1908 06 09
Destination: NEW YORK
Källkod: 1908:870:65298
Förnamn: GUSTAF A.K.
Efternamn: TRAST
Ålder: 21 år Kön: M
Församling: MÖNSTERÅS Län: H
Titel/Anm:
Utresehamn: GÖTEBORG
Utvandrdag: 1895 03 08
Destination: I'OLA KANSAS
Källkod: 55:149:5150
Mönsterås is in Kalmar län, which is in Smaland.
Good luck, Linda
In a message dated 5/31/01 8:02:06 PM Central Daylight Time,
KPhill2906(a)aol.com writes:
>
Most likely this is Småland, Sweden. Småland is a province and far too large
to find anyone.
http://www.vsv.slu.se/johnb/swed-map.htm
I can't find a Smöllen in my Motormännens Atlas. I also checked the National
Atlas of Sweden and Lantmäteriet (online maps).
Maybe the Swedes will know if there is such a place.
Judy
I am hoping to find some help in locating a birth record for Gustaf Albert K.
Trast, b. July 1873 in Sweden and died Sept. 1929 in DuPage Co., Illinois.
He went by Albert and emigated to the US in 1895 and again 1908. In 1908 he
returned to the USA with wife Hilma Larsson and son Gustaf Harry Trast.
Family rumor says he came from Smöllen, Sweden, but I haven't been able to
locate it. Family rumor also says the Trast's were formerly Olsen's and
Johnson's and the name was changed????
Can anyone offer me assistance in giving directions of where to turn for
birth records of Albert and Hilma and perhaps a marriage record?
I have a birth record for their son, Gustaf Harry Trast from Kalmar Lan from
1908.
Thanks so much!!
Karen
Here are possibles but names are some different.
ANDERSON ANDERS 39 TRÖKÖRNA R 1889 WILMAR
ANDERSON MAJA S 31 TRÖKÖRNA R 1889 NEW YORK
ANDERSON SVANTE 15 TRÖKÖRNA R 1889 NEW YORK
ANDERSSON JOH.AUG. 20 TRÖKÖRNA R 1889 NEW YORK
Maja S and Joh. Aug. traveled together on the same ticket. don't really
think it is the right one.
Förnamn: MAJA S
Efternamn: ANDERSON
Ålder: 31 år Kön: K
Församling: TRÖKÖRNA Län: R
Titel/Anm:
Utresehamn: GÖTEBORG
Utvandrdag: 1889 05 31
Destination: NEW YORK
Källkod: 39:213:290
No names really match correctly.
Linda
E Andersson,
Here is what I have found on the Death CD:
19230611-5557
Aronsson, Bertil Alvar
Bruksv 14
462 54 Vänersborg
Död 20/8 1989.
Kyrkobokförd (1981) i Vänersborg, Vänersborgs kn, Älvsborgs län.
Mantalsskriven (1981) på samma ort.
Född 11/6 1923 i Vänersborg (Västra Götalands, f d Älvsborgs län).
Ogift man.
--------------
Kyrkobokföringsförsamling(ar) 1/1 2000:
Vänersborg, Vänersborgs kn, Västra Götalands län
Födelseförsamling i källan:
VÄNERSBORG (Älvsborgs län)
Källor:
SPAR 90, RTB 89
Look at my home pages, too!
Kind regards
Rune Johansson
E-mail: Gentiana(a)pp.sbbs.se
URL: http://home1.pp.sbbs.se/Gentiana/genealog.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "erwin anderson" <aadalen1(a)yahoo.com>
To: <SWEDEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 5:19 PM
Subject: [Sweden] Death record
Does anyone have death records for Vastra-Tunhem
Parish in Dalsland?...Bertil Alvar Aronsson born
6-6-1923 to Nils Arthur Aronsson and Ellen Marie
Andersdotter both of Frandefors. Bertil moved
to Vastra Tunhem parish in Aril 28, 1978....He is
grandfathers brother and I can find no information
on him......Many Thanks......E. Andersson
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