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From: "Peter Cudworth" <peter.cudworth(a)ntlworld.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 1:04 PM
My name is Christine Steer . My date of birth is 6.1.51. Born in Slough
My father's name was Eric, who married Margaret Spencer from Warwick.
Anybody out there who knows my family?
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>Definitely one listing for Australia and one for New Zealand. There was,
>is and always will be a lot of interaction between AU and NZ. But we are
Somewhere I also have a listing of some of the steers on the 1856 Victorian
and the 1899 Australia federal electoral rolls. Is this of any interest to
the data base?
I'm a Steer by marriage only.
Tim van der Poel
>A question for antipodean listers.
>On the web site there will be a list of countries. I'd like to know which
>is preferable, to list Australia and New Zealand under:
>2) South West Pacific (as the IGI does)
>3) Something else
>John in Dorking, England
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I am looking for James Steer (born Petworth Sussex, Nov 1837) and Eliza (Knight) Steer (born Hambledon, Hants, Sept 1845) on the 1871 census. Any hits would be received with great rejoicing.
James Steer, my great-grandfather, married Eliza Knight in Portsea on January 1866 when he was in the Navy, at the gunnery school, "HMS Excellent". He probably left the Navy in 1867 and at some time before 1874 the Steer family moved from Portsea to Brighton, but whether they were in Brighton, Portsea or elsewhere at the time of the 1871 census I have not yet determined. Their later address in Brighton, 37 Elder Street, has not yet been found in the 1871 Post Office Directory for Sussex. Their eldest child on the 1881 and 1891 censuses, Rosina was born in September 1874 in Brighton. The 8 year gap between the wedding in 1866 and Rosina's birth is puzzling. I wonder if there were older children who had left home by 1881 but who could be within the family circle on the 1871 census.
James Steer worked as a labourer in the railway works in Brighton at the time of Rosina's birth at 37, Elder Street on 16 September 1874, and at the time of Alfred Victor's birth at Elder Street on 17 October 1876. The Steer family was still in Elder Street, Brighton at census time in 1881. James' occupation was listed as a Greenwich Pensioner, appropriate for a former seamen and consistent with his Record of Service listing in naval records.
They had moved from Elder Street by 1891, to 12, Stanley Road, Brighton, where James died in Nov 1898. Three of his sons were there in 1901 but not his widow. Eliza does not appear on the 1901 census but I have yet to find her death registration.
With Best Wishes, and thanks,
From: Bruce and Helen Gubbins
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 4:05 PM
Subject: Robert Steer of Flore
I am tracing the parents of Elizabeth Steer bapt 4 Sep 1691 in Flore,
They were Robert and Elizabeth Steer and I have found a marriage of "Robert
Steere of Flore and Elizabeth Preston of Bugbrooke" in Bugbrooke,
Northamptonshire 26 Apr 1690.
Does anyone have any further information on this couple?
A question for antipodean listers.
On the web site there will be a list of countries. I'd like to know which
is preferable, to list Australia and New Zealand under:
2) South West Pacific (as the IGI does)
3) Something else
John in Dorking, England
In case you haven't seen the entries in the list archives some work was done
on this family by Jack Steer and Keith Flinders. Use this link
http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=STEER and the
search query "Sulivern or Harington or Harrington" (without the quotes) for
years 2001 and 2002.
Were the stock exchange references to London? In 1791 there was a stock
broker John Charles Steers & Co. 59, Threadneedle-Street, London, is this a
I'll have to absorb all the information, see what's missing and whether I
can add anything or suggest where to look.
John Steer, Dorking, England
> I am hoping to find some information on Capt. Sulivern
> His daughter Sophia Jane Steer who was born in 1836 in Budleigh Devon
married Edward Alfred Flinders (a Stockbroker /Banker )in St.Pauls
Cathedral, Calcutta,India on the19th Dec.1863 . They had among others my
Grandfather William Steer Flinders who was born 1869 in Dinan Brittany . He
died in Australia in 1920
> No record has been found of Sulivern Harrington Steer's birth or death.
Sulivern died before 1863 in India.
> Sulivern married Hannah Maria. Her surname is not known. She was born
about 1814 possibly in Dunkirk France and died Dec 1896 in Fulham Middlesex.
The 1891 census has a Hannah Maria Steer aged 76,widow, born France
living with her nephew William Payne who was in the Indian Civil Service at
Eardby Street ,Kensington,London.She died at the age of 81 in Fulham.
> As Sulivern's middle name is Harington I have been looking for a
connection with a family whose surname is Harrington or had a middle name
of Harrington. I found a Charles Steer whose daughter by his first marriage
to Caroline Thompson had a daughter called Jane Harington Sutherland Steer.
Born 24 Sept.1834 and Christened at Monghyr. West Bengal India. They also
had Charles Boyes Steer who became a member of the Stock exchange and had
Emilie Hume Steer and Valentin Steer
> Charles Steer seemed to marry a second time and had Alice,Janet and Sophy.
Sophy married a Mr. John Mackintosh. They all seemed to have a Stock
Exchange connection as did Edward Alfred Flinders.
> The only other Harrington /Steer connection I could find was that a James
Harington who was born in Bengal.,India in 1788 married in 1817 in Bengal,
India a Sophia Steer born in London 1792 The daughter of Charles Steer.
Sophia died London 1877.
> I have no reason to believe that there is any connection between Capt.
Sulivern Harrington Steer and Jane Harrington Sutherland Steer and the
Sophia Steer who married James Harington . It is pure conjecture but if
anyone knows of any possible link or has any connection with Capt. Sulivern
Harington Steer I would be very interested and grateful to hear.
I am tracing the parents of Elizabeth Steer bapt 4 Sep 1691 in Flore, Northamptonshire.
They were Robert and Elizabeth Steer and I have found a marriage of "Robert Steere of Flore and Elizabeth Preston of Bugbrooke" in Bugbrooke, Northamptonshire 26 Apr 1690.
Does anyone have any further information on this couple?
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From the most recent issue of Rob Thompson's GENUKI Family History News
A most fantastic resource for all historians, and in
particular a wonderful resource for family historians.
This website is the home of the British History Online
870 STEERE, STERE , Cornelius 1695 London Inhabitants within the Walls 1695
871 STEERE, STERE , Elizabeth 1695 London Inhabitants within the Walls 1695
872 STEERE, STERE , Fiduria 1695 London Inhabitants within the Walls 1695
873 STEERE, STERE , Frances 1695 London Inhabitants within the Walls 1695
874 STEERE, STERE , Frances 1695 London Inhabitants within the Walls 1695
875 STEERE, STERE , Mary 1695 London Inhabitants within the Walls 1695
876 STEERE, STERE , Mary 1695 London Inhabitants within the Walls 1695
877 STEERE, Mathew 1693-1694 Metropolitan London in the 1690s
878 STEERE, STERE , Robert 1695 London Inhabitants within the Walls 1695
879 STEERE, Thomas 1693-1694 Metropolitan London in the 1690s
880 STEERE, STERE , Thomas 1695 London Inhabitants within the Walls 1695
881 STEERE, STERE , William 1695 London Inhabitants within the Walls 1695
882 STEERES, Francis 1693-1694 Metropolitan London in the 1690s
883 STEERES, Hester 1693-1694 Metropolitan London in the 1690s
884 STEERES, Samuel 1693-1694 Metropolitan London in the 1690s
885 STEERIDGE, Debora(h) 1695 London Inhabitants within the Walls 1695
886 STEERS, Catherin(e) 1695 London Inhabitants within the Walls 1695
887 STEERS, Francis 1695 London Inhabitants within the Walls 1695
888 STEERS, Leticia 1695 London Inhabitants within the Walls 1695
889 STEERS, Mary 1695 London Inhabitants within the Walls 1695
890 STEERS, Winifred 1695 London Inhabitants within the Walls 1695
STEER, Alfred Samuel Luscombe, b.1878 Waterhead, Aveton Gifford-Dev, Builder’s Labourer & Bricklayer, address 1881: South Milton-Dev, 1908: St.Gabriel, Bristol, died 1953 in Fulham, London-Middx.
by Fred Bartlett
I found the following Steer records (among others) in the "Vital Records
Index of the British Isles". Does anyone have information on any of these
entries? I am particularly interested to know if and when they married,
their occupation, and where they were buried. However, any information
would be appreciated.
STEER Richard STEER (Richard) C024412 600719 STEER, Richard Chr
1740 OXFO Fa: Richard STEER, Mo:
STEER John STEER (John) C024412 601423 STEER, John Chr
1753 OXFO Fa: John STEER, Mo:
STEER William STEER (John) C024412 601494 STEER, William Chr
1755 OXFO Fa: John STEER.Mo:
STEER Richard STEER (John) C024412 601564 STEER, Richard Chr
1756 OXFORD, England, Fa: John STEER , Mo:
Source: Vital Records Index--British Isles, (Family History Resource File,
The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints, 1998), Disk 5.
George, PB & JC
Thanks for your replies ... I'm pleased to hear that
I'm not attempting to reinvent the wheel.
From looking at the 1841 Census transcriptions on Ray
Osborne's site, I had identified Charleton and East
Portlemouth as potential Lapthorn "hotspots" ... Ray
has kindly checked Charleton for me - and drawn a
blank, and it sounds like PB &JC have ruled out E
Portlemouth, and George has ruled out E Allington.
The question is where next ... ?
If we take the hypothesis that the Joanna Lapthorn who
was buried in E Allington in 1813 was the mother of
the one who married Henry Steer, then maybe the most
practical next step would be to request a check of the
Devon FHS marriage index (1754-1812) for any Lapthorn
marriage with a Joanna. Of course, if Joanna was the
youngest of 10, this may still prove unfruitful, but
it's worth a try. I shall follow this up this week,
and let you know of the outcome.
Failing that we are probably looking at a trawl of all
parish registers within an ever-expanding radius of E
Allington until we find her !!
I'll keep you posted on progress. In the meantime any
other ideas/ suggestions welcome.
All the best
--- George Steer <georgesteer(a)onetel.net.uk> wrote: >
> Somewhere in the mess of my files there is mention
> of Two Johanna LAPTHORN
> One b.c.1733 d. April 10th 1817 aged 83 and another
> (probably her daughter )
> who married Henry in 1785.
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This stray was forded to the DEVON-L@rootsweb List this morning.
STEERE, George, Head, married, age 41, Ag Lab, born Torquay-Dev
STEERE, Elizabeth, Wife, age 34, born Lostwithiel-Con
Children, Mary, 15; Elizabeth, 10; Hannah, 9; Emily, 6; Ellen, 4; all born Bodmin-Con
Dwelling Place: Pool Street, Bodmin-Con.
I haven't found Joanna Lapthorn either, I thought she might be an East Portlemouth girl as the name is very common there but if she is there I've missed her.
My husband is direct from Henry's sister Ann Sture who married Richard Edwards in 1782 in Sherford. He also has a direct Lapthorn line which is why I kept my eye open for Joanna.
I can only go back to Ann's parents although I must admit to having had no time to look for ages, I don't know if anyone has gone further ?
Does anyone know the maiden name of Ann and Henry's mother who was also an Ann ?
Like a number of list members I am descended from Henry Steer and
Joanna Lapthorn who m E Allington in 1785.
I'm sure I've asked this of the list before, but I would really like to find
the baptism & parents of Joanna LAPTHORN.
I've tried the E Allington registers without success (even though she
was "of this parish" at her marriage. I've also tried the IGI (although I
know the coverage of this area is not great).
Has anyone else on the list had any more success than me ? If not, any
suggestions where to start ? There seem to be no Lapthorns in E
Allington at all - so where did she come from ?
Any advice/ suggestions welcome.
PS If anyone would like a copy of her death certificate, I have just
received it from the GRO, and would be happy to send a scan/
All the best
I'm starting to surface again after days in my den getting to grips with the
technical organisation of our future web site. It's taken longer than I'd
allowed but more than I was aiming for has been achieved.
The intensive mental juggling is finishing and it will be more of the
mundane that has to be done now, so I'll have the capacity to be more
responsive. The tasks left to be done are checking the accuracy of the
records and proof reading but I'll also be seeking permission from people
and organisations to publish many of the records that I hold in the
I'll be starting with a couple of counties from the UK 1851 census records
and a few years from the GRO Births and Marriages Indexes. I made these
transcriptions myself from the records in London so they are not taken from
a CD, film, fiche or web site, however, I'm expecting that some of the
publishers of these will allow the information obtained from them to be used
In the meantime I can continue to transcribe census and GRO indexes into the
database and as I do so then all that I have to do is 'press a button' for
the web pages to be generated automatically (but the pages still have to be
checked). Barring accidents the Steer web site will be opened during
Thanks for your patience.
John in Dorking, England
I am exciting about the up coming 'web site' for the STEER/STURE families.
I have been on line for almost 4 years, collecting all the great
information that flows through the site. My grandmother was Florence Rosina
Sture who married William Charles FERRIDGE on 4 Aug 1902 in Tottenham.
Florence, born 25 Sep 1876 in East Prawle, Choivelstone was the daughter of
Elizaberth Thirza Gillard STURE and lived with her grandfather Henry STURE
(Samual, Henry, Andrew, Henry) at the farm "Chopes & Shepherds" and now
"Sture Court"', Prawle, Chivelstone as listed on the 1881 and 1891 census.
I am most interested in the web site and am hoping to connect back from
Henry(17 Aug 1715, East Arlington) to the earlier STURES. I would like the
connection to the Henry STURE and Elizabeth Fortesque mentioned in the
recent emails if possible.
Appreciating all the work that is going into the new web site,
I am responding to the message below. I think we must look for a marriage
between WILLIAM STEER/STURE and AGNES ??? around 1720 in either Woodleigh,
Modbury or Bigbury or somewhere near these parishes. Also for the birth of
a WILLIAM STURE circa 1695 to 1700 in roughly the same places if we are to
link up some of these family trees.
Here's hoping, as ever,
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> Subject: [STEER] Jasper Steer Line
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> I have not had enough time to get on the computer lately, but I noticed all
> of the talk about Jasper Steer. I am a descendant of him through my maternal
> great grandmother who was Emma Steer, born in W. Alvington. in 1864. She
> married and immigrated to the United States, where my maternal grandfather was
> born, Herbert Miller. The mother of my great grandmother was Maria Steer,
> 1843 in Kingsbridge. She was the daughter of Jasper Steer ( b. 1810 in
> Chivelstone) and Harriott Wotton ( b. Blackawton). The parents of Jasper were
> William Steer (b. 1785 in Loddiswell, Dev) and Mary Wood (b. 1784,
> William Steer had a brother, Thomas Steer (b. 1793, Loddiswell). He married
> Mary Hill. Thomas died in Bigsbury in 1870. This is probably the same
> Bigsbury line that has been mentioned.
I have posted the following to Glenn Reddiex on the South Hams list in
response to his queries about farming in Hendham and Preston. I am posting
it here too and I think it may well be of interest to us all.
I have an idea or two to run past you.
Farms at Higher and Lower Hendham were farmed by George Sture [1684-1760]
and his wife, Sarah Foale. And I noticed in the 19th century that the
Luscombe family were in possession of farms there.
Some time ago George Steer [alive and well and living in the UK] suggested
to me that we have our very own STURE/STEER version of the Bermuda triangle
(or circle) . If we look on a large scale map we see  East Allington,
where Elizabeth Fortescue of Wood was married to HENRY STURE (he who bore
a coat of arms)and probably had lands coveted by many.  Wood Barton)
where the Fortescues lived : Elizabeth (above) was daughter of Edmund
Forestesue of Wood.  Hendham (Lower and Higher Hendham Farm) farmed by
GEORGE STURE.  Fallapit House, once the home of another branch of the
Fortescue family. All of them within a circle of one mile radius.
George went on to say : 'As the old adage goes - The answer is in the soil,
At Woodleigh we have the marriage of William Steer to Anne Grills of
Charleton on 24th April 1748 and their son William baptised on 28th July
And a marriage of John Torring of Chivelstone to Elizabeth Luscombe on 13th
of Dec 1748. as well as John Ball to Elizabeth Steer on 10th June 1759,
and James Roper to Sarah Steer on 20th Feb 1793.
In the Land Tax Assessment's [1747 and 1751 also complete run from 1780 to
1832] for Woodleigh, we have in 1747--names of properties only.
In 1751-- Higher and lower Hendham mentioned also George Steer for his
tenement at Hendham--8s-0d.[Wm Steer & John White-assessor's]
In 1780--Philip Steer for Capton [1 mile north-east of Hendham]---£8-0s-0d.
I am sure Philip was the fourth son of George Sture of Hendham]
In 1781-- Philip Steer for Wester Halstrow--not found on map--£4-16s-od
[note also Easter Halstrow-£4-16s-od]
In 1786--Mrs Steer = = = £4-16s-0d.
In 1792-1798-Mary Steer = = £4-16s-0d------owned by Sir John
In 1799-1812-Edmund Steer = = £4-16s-0d
In 1792-1798-George Steer for Great Chilley--East of
Hendham---£2-14s-0d--owned by Edmund Fortescue.
Philip appears to have died before 1786 and his wife took over until 1799
when their son Edmund took over until 1812. Edmund Steer died in 1839 at
Diptford and left a will. His son, John Steer, took over the farm.
In William White's History, Gazetteer, and Directory of Devonshire for 1850,
however, we read that Henry Luscombe farmed at Hendham, George Luscombe at
Priston/Preston, and William and John Lavers at Priston. So there is a
little bunch for you.
There is a family tree on the internet of the Fortescues and Luscombes.
John Luscombe of Combe Royal was born, I think, about 1690, and one of his
children, another John, was a lawyer in Kingsbridge. I have a relative
called Luscombe Steer, who emigrated to Canada about 1840-50, but I can't
trace his death there. My Steer cousins who went to the USA in 1819 were
Henry Steer, who married Ann Torring.
So, Glenn, I guess we must be related, even if only distantly with all these
Steer, Luscombe and Torring strands.
With best wishes, as ever,
Philip Steer [the XVIIIth at the last count !!]