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There has been some interest in the Sussex Steers but I think you are the
first to be following up on Elizabeth so welcome.
It's interesting that bride and groom were from Horsted Keynes, maybe not a
neighbouring parish to Withyham but close, perhaps 10 miles (16 kms). There
will be a reason as to why the marriage was in Withyham and as neither of
them was from there it makes it more likely that the marriage was by licence
and this, with some luck, may survive and provide more information.
There are possible Elizabeth baptisms on the IGI for Sussex but none that I
could see which 'jump-out' as good possibilities to follow-up. For pre 1754
marriages it is hit and miss as to the amount of information that was
written in the register. Was there any indication of Elizabeth being a
spinster or widow?
John in Dorking, England
> I have recently discovered an ancestor, Elizabeth Steer, who married
> Richard Beard at Withyham, Sussex, on 10.05.1742. Both were 'of Horsted
> Does anyone have this Elizabeth in their ancestry or know where & when
> she was baptised?
I have recently discovered an ancestor, Elizabeth Steer, who married
Richard Beard at Withyham, Sussex, on 10.05.1742. Both were 'of Horsted
Does anyone have this Elizabeth in their ancestry or know where & when
she was baptised?
Thanks in anticipation,
People using the IGI on the LDS web site maybe interested in this link if they don't know of it already.
This site has a description of IGI batch numbers and a list of the batch numbers for the British Isles and North America, these are indexed by place names. The value of the site is that it facilitates surname searches of places.
The value of the IGI is that it helps locate individuals and families who can then be verified from the original sources, a further benefit of Hugh Wallis's site is that it gives some indication of the extent to which a place is covered by the IGI. Years are included in the batch number index and it can be seen whether marriages, say, have been recorded.
The descriptions and comments in the site are worth reading but some are out of date so I'll briefly give some of my own recent observations.
Baptisms are the greatest asset of the IGI and are mostly correct but occasionally are bogus. I can point to an example of a baptism in the IGI of someone who never existed; parents names are sometimes unnecessarily missing. The main limitation is the baptisms that are missing from batches.
Marriages have not been recorded in some places, which is not such a problem as in England, at least, marriage indexes are usually available. Indexes I have used give the import information as to whether a person was a bachelor, spinster or was a widow, IGI Marriages do not give this information.
Deaths (they mean burials) have appeared recently in the IGI. These are mostly of children and appear when looking at the details of a person's baptism. What the IGI has attempted to do is to match the baptisms in a register to subsequent burials where childrens' parent's names are the same. I'm not sure this should be done in the IGI, I would prefer them just to provide the facts and let us researchers make the inferences. There are mistakes in the IGI and they occasionally kill off the wrong person.
All in all if it wasn't for the IGI our family searches would be taking much longer and tools such as that on Hugh Wallis's site further enhance the IGI, as long as we're aware of the limitations and check the facts.
Is anyone aware of other useful tools for use with the IGI?
John in Dorking, England
I have not accessed the list for sometime now and have only recently returned to researching my family history. Sorry if this is old information but when the 1901 Census came online I could not find my owm family despite knowing where they resided in 1901. However I have just discovered the address search option and surprise, my ancestors are recorded, at the address in Fisherton Anger, Salisbury, Wilts. The reason I had the difficulty and despite trying several variations, is the surname is recorded as 'SHEER' on the census and not Steer. I hope this might be of assistance to someone.
Regards, Brian Steer.
Will try and get some info re this William and Mary and will advise if
successful.Will check what info I have re Devon and live in hopes that this
may be my link back to Devon.In meantime to double check my details on Henry
Steer b 1711 and his marriage to Sarah Crouch married 29 Nov at Bisley Surrey
could you let me have a list of their children.Thanks from Dave Steer
Hi, listers and Dave, Thanks for the 3 part list. The William I think
might be is a William born ???? marries Mary KNIGHT 31 May 1687 St Mary
Guildford. Know that Frances was 1685 but these things happen. Can't find
any other entries in the IGI for William and Mary which is frustrating.
Steer's and Knight's have married in the 1700's and I feel there may be links
before then. On the other hand did William and his parents come from Devon?
If the Ockley and district Steer's are the correct line to follow then to
me it means many of the Steer's in that region are related to the horsell and
surrounds Steers. Or is these the ramblings of a 70 yr old hopeful?
regards Geoffrey,in Sydney
May I add my thanks to John for picking up the reins? Having just completed
a move to Gozo, I hadn't realised that Jack was still unwell and send him
every good wish.
I now have two new e-mail addresses:
For genealogy messages: cousinkay(a)vol.net.mt
For all other messages: cousinkay(a)gozomail.com
Now that I'm an ex-pat I shall be extra happy to hear from anyone!
Best wishes to you all,
My Steers are the Derbyshire ones.
On a Wildgoose Chase!
To Geof and Listers
Hope you are still following this saga! See also my e-mail to Christine and
Steer list dated 30/01/03.If you find errors in my findings please advise and
I'll go back to double check.Thanks for your help from Dave Steer
Hi Geof and Listers
Continued fro Part 1-Details of No4 on my list
William Steere b.4thSep 1653 Ewhurst ,father Edward Steere;d 1705 St Nicholas
Married Catherine --------? 1677 approx
Children Elizabeth chr 16/12/1677
William chr 1/02/1679
James chr --?
Francis chr 28/08/1685
Thomas chr 2/11/1687
Nicholas chr 27/02/1689
Back to your e-mail dated 16/04/03.I am with your ancestral line ie Francis
b1685 m Elizabeth Stevens ,Henry b1711 Horsell m Sarah Crouchon 29 /11/1793
but from then back to present we differ as follows
Richard Steer b27 April 1755 Worplesdon m Francis Shears on 28/11/1783
Francis (Frank) Steer b 15 June 1784 Horsell m Mary Ann about 1819-20
Thomas Frederick Steer b 20 Dec 1820 London m Sarah Evans on 11/01/1844
David Thomas Steer b 18 Jan 1845 London m Mary Evans on 15/07/1871
Rees Frederick Steer b 21 Sep 1873 Swansea m Mary Jones on 15/11/1893
David Thomas Steer b 20 Jul 1900 Swansea m Doris May Fauckner on 6/12/1930
The hence yours truly from Dave(David ) Thomas Steer
Hi Geof and Listers
Geof,- Re your e-mail to the list dated 16/04/03,See my e-mail to the list
dated 13/02/03 re William father of Francis.The william of Guildford you
propose was christened 1st Feb 1679 at St Nicholas Guilford making him 6years
old at the time of Francis's birth (28th Aug 1685) or is there another
William of Guildford whom I have missed?
Might I suggest one of the following as likely contenders
1 William Steere chr 25 nov 1665 Dorking,father Roger Steere(William aged 20
2. William Steere Chr 9may 1663 Ockley,father William Steere (William aged 22
3. William Steere chr 24Aug 1655 Ockley,father John Steere(William aged 20 in
4.William Steere chr 4Sep1653 Ewhurst,father Edward Steere(William aged
5.William Steere chr 5 April 1665 Capel,father John Steere(William aged 20 in
There are other William Steere's(Various Spellings) but they range in age
from 6,19,67,70,2@38,and 43 and at these ages I have rightly or wrongly ruled
them out as Francis's father.I favour No4 on above list .Continued on William
Steere of Guildford 2
from Dave Steer
The message below appeared on another RootsWeb list and Keith Goodway agreed
to it being posted elsewhere. It is about a UK government site
http://www.documentsonline.pro.gov.uk which has a number of wills that can
be downloaded. I thought Keith's comments were helpful though he says
himself that others could provide more advice.
There are a number of STEER an STEAR wills available so it is worth a look.
John in Dorking, England
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:36 PM
Subject: [LIN] Re: PRO Document Downloads
> Yes, this is a splendid site - I too have found some family wills there.
> Perhaps it should be pointed out that it only has wills that were proved
> the Prerogative Court of Canterbury (PCC) and that means that it only has
> ones proved there before Civil Probate came along in 1858. Also that most
> wills were proved in 'lower courts' that is Diocesan and some other
> Only the wills of people who were wealthy, or had property in the southern
> half of England or Wales that spread over more than one diocese
> normally went to PCC earlier, although later on, it became fashionable for
> more people to go by that route.
> The wills that you can download (and which I have used in the past in the
> PRO) are the copies made by a clerk into a big register. Does anyone know
> the actual original wills survive ? I am having trouble with one I
> downloaded. Although it is of 1807, it is written in a very crabbed
> script, very difficult to transcribe. I have now managed to transcribe
> 97% satisfactorily, although it took a long time. The clerk who copied it
> has corrected a number of errors he made, adding in sections he had missed
> and so on. But I suspect that there are still errors in it, and I should
> like to see the original, if it survives. Does anyone know ?
> > Have you heard about the new PRO site where you can search for and
> > download wills for just 3 pounds
> > There is also a request service(more expensive) to have any document
> > scanned for you.Have already
> > found my 3x gt g'dad's will. Have had fun trying to read it this
> > afternoon!!
Hi, all, I am new to this list. I have read all the messages since
1999, and feel now is a good time to be part of the debate on Francis STEER
whose father is William but which William.
The List in Feb 2003 re Wm STEERE covered 4 localities. Dorking, Ockley
and Ewhurst are all in close proximity, whereas, Guildford relates more with
the towns and villages in which Francis STEER and his extended family lived,
Horsell, Send, Ripley, Addlestone. I feel Guildford is the right William.
Who am I???
Descended from the above Francis b ca 1685 Guildford m Elizabeth STEVENS;
Henry b 1711 Horsell m Sarah CROUCH; John b 1743 Horsell m Mary KNIGHT;
John b 1778 Horsell m Ann CHARMAN; Isaac b 1807 Horsell m1 Mary ELLIOTT;
(my GG grandparents), m2 Jane WHY, m3 Elizabeth SMITH, Reuben b 1833 Horsell
m Elizabeth HOWARD; George James b 1858 Addlestone m Annie TOWNEND from
Ulceby LIN in 1890 in Bradford WRY; Frederick George Sandford b 1897 Send,
left ENG in 1923 for AUS, married Helen Braham WILD ( b Falkirk STI ) in
Sydney AUS in 1930 and had me, Geoffrey, b 1933 and my sister Marion b 1935.
Geoffrey m Narelle PARSONS ( of First Fleet Fame ), have 3 children of which
2 live in Brighton / Portslade SSX, 1 in Moscow.
I have some 153 STEER's listed from William ro present day.
I have searched mainly IGI, Freebdm, the family bible of 1708 which I saw on
a trip to UK in recent years was a great help.
I am a long standing member of our Society of Australian Genealogists where
our library has an extensive AUS and O/S collection. It is the 2nd largest
Society in the world after your Society in London.
I am keen to expand the maternal line of my STEER's and hope we may find much
common ground, and I offer help wherever I can.
Geoffrey STEER in Sydney AUS
I was looking through "The Dictionary of Genealogy" by Terrick V H FitzHugh, Third Edition 1988 and noticed a couple of STEEREs in the examples. On page 221 there is an image part of a page from "The marriage register of a Surrey (England) parish for the years 1609-21". There are two Steere entries for 1611: "George Steere and Joane Smalpeece were married in the Parish Church of St Saviours in Southwarke the 17th day of Aprill" and "John Wooden and Margerie Steere Widdow were married the 29th of July".
I found the first marriage on the IGI - British Isles, George Steere to Joan Smallpeece 17 Apr 1611 St Saviour's Church, Lancashire. It can't be Lancashire which is a north-eastern English county and I wonder why the IGI made this connection. Southwark is in London on the south side of the River Thames and would likely then to have been in the county of Surrey and in the south east of England.
The IGI has George and Joan as coming from Newdigate, Surrey which makes more sense. Newdigate maybe the parish used in the book's example as some of the people in the other marriages are from Capell, Horsham, Hoome, Charle(s)woode, Leigh, Reigate and Ockley which are all neighbouring or nearby parishes. Some of those parishes will be familiar to those researching the Steers in Surrey, England.
I couldn't find Margerie Steere's 1611 marriage on the IGI so this might be of use to someone.
Is anyone researching these Steeres? I'm not related to them but many those parishes are a only few minutes drive from my home and I'd be able to help with the local geography.
John in Dorking, England
John: Thanks indeed for picking up the List. I think about Jack everyday and
have really missed him. Like everyone else I've really profited from the
List and have enjoyed the discussions Jack has generated. I've also
accumulated a wealth of information; about my Bovey Tracey STEERs, in muster
and lay subsidy rolls etc and via Jack, made contact with several remote
relatives. Here's to the continued success of the List and to continued
improvement in Jack's health, Mike.
Jack is still unwell and until he is again able he has asked me to tend to
the administration of the RootsWeb STEER List.
I am pleased to be able to help as being the administrator of another
RootsWeb mailing list I am familiar with the various responsibilities. What
I cannot be is a substitute for Jack's vast knowledge of the STEERs,
however, as a Steer myself I have a strong interest in facilitating and
continuing the help that this friendly list has provided. I have been a
member of the STEER List for a while and I know that there are many other
members who will help with information, suggestions and encouragement.
My own experience is that the success of a mailing list is very much in the
hands of its members, I'll contribute whatever and wherever I can and the
other list members I've spoken to have the same committment.
May this list be healthy and we all wish for Jack's good health.
John in Dorking, Surrey