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I too have a SCOTT family that I am trying to find:
In May 1851 a William Edward Scott * abt 1832 in England or Scotland, came
to Natal aboard the "John Bright". His father was supposedly a doctor, Dr
Hopton Scott (not 100% sure if the name is correct) who had eloped with a
Jane Parker, daughter of Lord and Lady Caroline Parker. However, I have not
been able to verify any of this. I did find a Jane Parker in the IGI that
could be the right one. Anyway, Edward's father gave him some money to go
out into the world and make something of himself. He squandered it and then
was given the money to come to SA. Family folklore says he married Rachel
Nathan who died in a riding accident. She was the sister of the then
Governor of the Cape, Sir Matthew Nathan. I have not been able to find out
anything about either of them.
However, Edward then returned to England where he married a Hannah Dorman *
1845 and had the following children:
1. Eleanor Hannah Scott * 10 August 1865 died 7 Sept 1925 and married Harry
Hart on 11 July 1883 in Durban - his parents were William and Elizabeth
Hart. Eleanor and Harry had 7 children. Daisy May, Alfred Leslie, Norah
Kathleen, William Edward, Muriel Constance, Donald Ian Hamilton, and Norman
Harry Hart. The only info I have on the children is that Daisy married
Francis Edwin Washington, Norah married Henry Charles Low/Louw and that
Muriel married George Sydney Lawrence Paul.
2. Constance Jeanette Scott * 5 Apr 1868 died 21 July 1938 and married John
Edwards Gower in Durban. They had: Wilfred Llewellyn Gower, Gwendoline
Constance, John Eric and Edmund David. Gwendoline married a ? Wheeler. Again
this is all the info I have been given.
3. William Scott * 29 Dec 1870 died unknown.
4. Gertrude Jane Scott * 6 Apr 1871 died 7 Dec 1954 married Peter Fagan in
Durban. They had Ivy Gertrude who married ? Shields, and Daisy who married ?
5. Sandford Scott * 19 Feb 1873 died 23 June 1941 and married Anna Bertha
Maria Strâsburg in Dundee, Natal. They had the following children: Harold
William Frederick, Frederick Henry Charles, Edward William George Albert,
Ida Matilda Maria who married ? Arthur, Albert Sandford Henry who married
Gladys ? and had 3 children, Sandford Albert Edward who married Ethel
Ibbetson and had two children and adopted his sister Edith's child, Bertha
Kathleen Mary who married Neville McCosh, Edith Ida Euphemia who may have
married a Pieterse, Emily Hilda Bertha who married Barend Johannes Pieterse
in Ladysmith and had Doreen Bertha Pieterse.
6. Walter Scott * 19 Feb 1873 (twin to Sandford).
7. Jane Scott * 1 Sept 1874 in Durban.
8. Rosa Madeline Scott * 15 Oct 1876 died 20 Nov 1854, married George Philip
Darlow and had Joan, George Russell and Cyril.
9. Alexander Harry Scott * May 1877 in Durban died 30 June 1877.
10. Alexander Scott * abt 1878 died 28 Aug 1880.
11. Florence Maud Scott * Feb 1884 died 12 Aug 1967, married Arthur Selkirk
Kinsey in Durban and had: Clifford Alfred Ashton who had 2 children - Derek
Clifford and Veronique Muriel (don't have a wife's name), Arthur Barns,
Dorothy who married ? Powdrell and had Albany George and Barbara Ann,
Maurice Campbell and Stanley Hallowes.
12. Daisy Scott * abt 1883 and perhaps married a Darlew/Darlow.
The first 6 children were born in England and then William (54) and Hannah
(20) returned to SA aboard the "Isipingo" which left England on the 22nd
July 1874. This is where some problems crop up as the passenger list gives
the names of the children as Olivier (8)??, Constance (5), Edward William
(4), Gertrude (2), Sandford (1). Not sure what happened to Eleanor unless
Olivier is actually Eleanor. She definitely came to SA because the family
have given me quite specific details and she married and had children and
died in Durban. Seems Walter must have died prior to them coming to SA.
Edward established the D'Urban Observer which ran from Aug 1851 to Mar 1852.
He then joined the Natal Mercury as a compositor and died whilst working for
them in in July 1861.
If anyone has any info on any of these people, I would love to hear from
----- Original Message -----
From: "fataars" <fataars(a)omantel.net.om>
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: SCOTTs
Kia ora from a temporally exiled Aucklander soon to return home.
I note you are also looking for SA SCOTTs. Any links to mine, also from
The family lived in 3rd Avenue Claremont
Phillip William Joseph SCOTT
DOB: ~1861 DOD: 30.6.1924 Claremont, Cape Town
Father: Philip Johan Joseph Scott
Mother: Susanna Hestrina Unknown
Spouse: Maria Magdalene MITCHELL
DOB Oct/Nov 1864 DOD 3.11.1918 Claremont, Cape Town
Father: George Mitchell
Mother: Classina Rosaline Unknown
May Anna Rosaline (My grandmother)
DOB: 27.6.1894 Cape Town DOD: 16.2.1971 " "
A link has been made to William Edward Scott and his father, originally
from Stirling, Scotland.
Regards from Oman
SHADLEY & ZONJIA FATAAR
Looking for SCOTT, DAVIDSON, MITCHELL, BOWLES, ISAACS; FATAAR; JOHNSTON,
BAXTER, CORNELIUS, KAMIES
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After reading the article about Sir Gordon Sprigg's locust episode in Ellen's E - Mail of extracts from the "The South African Magazine"dated September 12 1896 I decided to submit The Following letter that my Great Grandfather wrote to Sir Gordon Sprigg. Unfortunately I do not know the date of this letter.
THE FOLLOWING IS A LETTER WRITTEN BY FRANK GORDON TO THE HO NOURABLE SIR GORDON SPRIGG . " The Hon; Sir Gordon Sprigg.
Hon; & Dear Sir I was very sorry to hear, You were so sick - "A fellow feeling makes us wondrous Kind." Trusting you are yourself again . I am glad to say I am almost recovered - still weak. Sciatica is a veritable tormentor - Too severe for my worst enemy. The Drs say I had overworked myself physically and mentally.
Please find herewith Draft for - Thirty Six Pound 10/ -stop =.£21-10 from the natives plus £15 from myself. William still owes £1 which I will send as soon as I can get it . I had to take Mealies from Philip and William. If I had taken the £2,10 worth of mealies from William he wd have had no food left. Mealies are now very cheap from 3/6 to 4/- per 100lbs: I was not able to get my mealies sold when the price was good being by the Dr at E.L. at the time .
Those I sold I got from 3/5 to 3/7 per 100 lbs: I have still 38 bags to sell. I had 94 as my share. I think the natives had stolen a good many while I was at E.L. No potatoes & only two bags of wheat. & one load of very poor from five bags sown
I have sent you an extract from my book of rents collected for you which you will find correct.
Political Very sorry indeed for the colapse of yr ministry. You shall soon be required at the head of affairs again. The present Ministry has too much of Cheap Jack about it. We believe here (had you found yourself equal to it) you aught to have appealed to the country & you wd have had a great political victory & the country the benefit of progressive statesmanship. I was not only sorry but very much annoyed at the light & slangy expressions of several MP's in debating. They seemed to forget they were on very important public business. They seem to bear the yoke of public duty very lightly
. The goldfields were bound to fall. The standard value of everything was 300 per cent too high.They were no exception to the general rule of booming new fields & floating fictitious & false prospecteses of Companies. They will come all right again now that the land sharks are ........ out.
I shall send you some more money from myself when I sell th e remainder of my mealies.
With best wishes & respect.
Yrs : faithfully
P.S. I commence work with the Rly ; service tomorrow.I must sincerely thank you for the kind intrest you have taken in finding the appointment for me. I shall strive as heretofore to be worthy of your confidence and kind attention
John H. T Colville
4 Gota Road
Telephone +27 012 6515100
Facsimile +27 012 6511609
Cell Phone +27 0724367495
E - Mail johncol(a)absamail.co.za
Web Sites http://nav.to/johncolvillehttp://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/johncol
If SKS has the time at some stage, I would really appreciate a lookup of the
record below for my own database and for a WHITTING friend in the UK who has
helped me in several areas.
KAB MOOC 6/9/83 REF 5234 of 1858
DESCRIPTION: STOCKENSTROM, WILLIAM WHITTING. DEATH NOTICE.
Message for Pat Smith:
Have just had a break through on one of my Hamilton ROSS daughters.
Charlotte married William HAWKINS 1824 at St. Pancras, Middlesex, England (Pallots Marriage 1780-1830). So far I have found two children;
1. Mary Charlotte HAWKINS who married John Pierce BOWLING, 11 July 1848, Holy Trinity Church, Clapham, Surrey, England.
2. Catherine Elizabeth HAWKINS who married George Edward HILLIER, same day, same Church.
Hope this will help in your search.
Jo Smith on Vancouver Island.
> There is no trace of your JJ I'm afraid. I have also looked at an article
> prepared some time ago by Mansell Upham where he did some detailed research
> on Danes at the Cape but no reference to your man JJ.
If I could start with the last bit first - does Upham's article about
the Danes at the Cape include a Henrik WEGENER? Full name Christianus
Henricus Christophorus WEGENER. He was from the Dutch branch of a Danish
family, and was at the Cape in the period we are talking about (1790s -
We looked at him as a possibility for the role of Gigantic Dane (sailor,
involved in a mutiny) ... but then the wheels fell off, because he was
buried in Cape Town instead of being transported to Australia.
(What a spoilsport!).
> As far as the names you mention are concerned, there is mention of the
> auction of the Holger Danske, also an article about the privateer Harriet
> and Capt White involving another ship and an advert for the sale of a couple
> of prize ships at Michael Hogan's warehoues. Do you want more detail about
> these notices- no problem.
Ooh, yes please ;-))
But rather than going through every whaler and privateer arriving at the
Cape in 1800-1801 ... I wonder, is there somewhere that we could obtain
a copy for ourselves? Bookseller, garage sale? Or maybe we could get it
in inter-library loan.
(You have been so helpful that it's becoming a tad embarrassing) ;-))
Many thanks (and Greetings from Oz),
(Melbourne, Australia ... overcast here now - looks like rain)
Seeking descendants of the following:
Daniel Passmore Smith - b. Jun 24, 1871, Belfast. d. Aug 14, 1948 in Benoni,
Transvaal. Married Florence Harrison, b. 1884 in Lancashire. d. Jun 3,1948
in Benoni, Transvaal.
Harold Daniel Smith - b. 1920. d. Jul 22, 1943 in Brenthurst, Braakpan.
Married - Elsie Millicint Dundee - 1 child, Rea Ann Smith b. May 13, 1943.
Noel May Smith - married John Williams. John died in 1952.
Gerald Alfred Passmore Smith - No information.
Contact - jimatpoppylot(a)westman.wave.ca Relative in Canada.
Is there anyone on the list who could possibly do some lookups for me at the
Cape Town Archives? I would be so very grateful.
The first one is my grandmother. What I really am trying to find out is
who her parents were. I know she came from the Bredasdorp (Viljoenshof?)
area, where there are thousands of LOURENS's. There were 3 family groups, I
am told; the Swart LOURENS family, the Barney LOURENS family and another.
Checking NAAIRS, I find that every other SWART seems to have married a
LOURENS, and vice versa. I have no idea if my family was from the SWART
branch, but I have to start somewhere.
Of course, if it really was my lucky day, one of you out there would be
researching the LOURENS family and know exactly where my Ouma fitted in. I
am hoping to find her father (or mother's) death certificate, neatly listing
all the children with ages!!! ;-)
Possible siblings of Ouma Catherine Elizabeth are:
Ellie (who may have married a KALIS cousin)
Johnny (who may have been in Valkenberg at times - all the best families
I have listed 6 references, but if I can get even three, I would be very
happy. I would dearly love to get to Bredasdorp itself, but that is out of
the question at this stage.
DESCRIPTION KALIS, CATHERINE ELIZABETH. NEE LOURENS. ESTATE PAPERS.
DESCRIPTION ILLIQUID CASE. RECOVERY OF MONEY. CATHARINA ELIZABETH LOURENS,
BORN SWART VERSUS THE ESTATE OF THE LATE JOHANNES LOURENS.
DESCRIPTION LOURENS, MATTHYS JOHANNES.
REMARKS SURVIVING SPOUSE CATHARINA ELIZABETH LOURENS (BORN SWART).
DESCRIPTION LOURENS, JOHANNA CATHARINA. NEE SWART. ESTATE PAPERS.
DESCRIPTION LOURENS, JACOBA CATHARINA MARIA. NOOIENSVAN SWART.
EGGENOOT CORNELIS JOHANNES LOURENS.
DESCRIPTION LOURENS, DIRK CORNELIS. EGGENOTE ELIZABETH CATHARINA (GEBORE
Ann (in warm and sunny Zimbabwe - for those of you freezing to death in SA!)
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I'll be at the Archives on Thursday, I can do the look-up for you
Bernard L Cramer,
KZN, South Africa.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:24 AM
Subject: [ZA] Peter Cormac Sutherland 1822-1900
> I am looking for information about any descendants of Dr. Peter
> Sutherland b 1822 at Latheron, Caithness, d 1900 in
> arrived in Natal in 1853 and was Surveyor General of Natal from
1855 - 1887.
> Stella Sutherland
> Sydney, Australia
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I am looking for information about any descendants of Dr. Peter Cormac
Sutherland b 1822 at Latheron, Caithness, d 1900 in Pietermaritzburg. He
arrived in Natal in 1853 and was Surveyor General of Natal from 1855 - 1887.
I wonder if this is a relation of Rob Walker, ex Bedford. he lives not far
from us and I believe his mother was a Ross. I have seen a huge family tree
From: Peter Southey <psouthey(a)iafrica.com>
To: SOUTH-AFRICA-L(a)rootsweb.com <SOUTH-AFRICA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Tuesday, 30 July 2002 09:45 PM
Subject: Re: [ZA] Ross
>There is a Kenny Ross, farming in the Bedford area - was at St Andrews with
>him, in late 60s. Do not know his ancestory or whether he is interested or
>not. I guess you could get his telephone number and contact him.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Glenister Dave Mnr" <dag(a)sun.ac.za>
>Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 4:40 PM
>Subject: [ZA] Ross
>> Hello everyone
>> Would be interested to hear from those who are looking at the Ross family
>> whether there is any information on Patrick Colquhoun Ross, who married
>> Harriet Spiller, say circa 1845. Harriet was born 1825 to Charles James
>> Spiller and Catherine Madden somewhere in Albany. The Spillers were in
>> Graaff-Reinet by 1840 so I have always assumed that Harriet and Patrick
>> married there but I could be wrong. That name, 'Colquhoun' is very
>> and is Irish, I think? ... hence my query having seen that the Ross
>> came from Ireland! Any luck?
>> Regards ... Dave
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only one thing to say to this - WOW - its what we all dream of finding - but
Our daughter Kate and family are on a visit in Sweden living very near the
place where Doug's father was born in 1876.
Now one of Doug's gt.Uncles Bengt Frykberg came to NZ, possibly via austral
goldfields to the new goldfields in Otago 1860s.. He had his youngest son
Knut with him. this boy unfortunately drowned while they were dredging for
gold on the Clutha river. the father Bengt after spending some time in the
Tuapeka hospital returned to Sweden but on the way in London was taken ill
and died. No one knew of his effects or if they did they did nothing about
them....till NOW. She has met the cousins and in the house in the attic is a
trunk that belonged to Bengt that was sent from NZ. It has never been
opened! The cousins have asked Doug's permission to open it with
Kate..........That will be on Thursday.
Dare I say I am breathless with anticipation!! It has been there since
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>From 1920 records
William Pullen m Miss Lucy Lane Pollard on 26/5/1835 at P.E. She died at age
of 71 on 27/9/1888
Virginia Anna b 20/8/1836 m John Butler
Angelina Lavinia 4/11/1838 died young
Emaline Dorothy 8/4/1841 m da von Secca
William Oswald 6/4/1843 m Miss Raymond
Thomas 27/8/1845 m Miss Phillips
John ] 27/7/1848 m Mrs Muller (with dots
above the u)
Jane ] " died young
Edward Nicholas 29/11/1850 m Miss Blake
Anthony 12/5/1853 m Miss Thompson
Joseph George 27/12/1855 m Miss Gilfillan
Ann 9/10/1858 m Mr Sloth
Walter 16/6/1861 m Miss Susannah Robinson
Thomas Pullen m Dorothy Carter
Dorothy m John Anthony Chaband?
Adelaide m Cpt. Walton
Augusta m William Melelenkamp?
Julia m Joseph Bulter (farmer)
Ellen m Mr Sievewright
Harriet died young
Lavinia m Leonard Benn
William m Lucy Lane Pollard
Octavia m John Smith
Emily m Mr Dewes
Thomas died unmarried
Edward m Mrs Placket (widow)
Tindall m Miss Maritz
John m Miss Raymond
Charles died unmarried.
I will take down Walter Pullen m Miss Ann Susanna Robinson 27/3/1882 at
tomorrow and check Pollard.
Hope this helps
----- Original Message -----
From: Isebelle Krauss <iekrauss(a)yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 1:30 AM
Subject: Re: WALLIS
> Hi folks, my elusive Wallis is James Robert Wallis, born March 1832, son
> John Andrew an Susan Jane? born ? London England, he married Marie
> Fredrika Keune, and died on the Rossouw family farm, Doornpan distr.
> O.F.S. age 75 years 5 months. He had another wife Anna Cathrina Niemand,
> total 10 children, all livinbg in the O.F.S. Any luck?
> Our Pollards is Lucy Lane, daughter of George, she married a Pullen,
> elusive granny. regards, Isebelle
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Our daughter Kate and family are on a visit in Sweden living very near the place where Doug's father was born in 1876.
Now one of Doug's gt.Uncles Bengt Frykberg came to NZ, possibly via austral goldfields to the new goldfields in Otago 1860s.. He had his youngest son Knut with him. this boy unfortunately drowned while they were dredging for gold on the Clutha river. the father Bengt after spending some time in the Tuapeka hospital returned to Sweden but on the way in London was taken ill and died. No one knew of his effects or if they did they did nothing about them....till NOW. She has met the cousins and in the house in the attic is a trunk that belonged to Bengt that was sent from NZ. It has never been opened! The cousins have asked Doug's permission to open it with Kate..........That will be on Thursday.
Dare I say I am breathless with anticipation!! It has been there since 1865!!
In a message dated 30/07/02 10:54:38 GMT Daylight Time, patfryk(a)clear.net.nz
> That will be on Thursday.
> Dare I say I am breathless with anticipation!! It has been there since
Oh, how exciting. Let us know what is in it please.
Helen, Worcester, England WAR 27 researching
MUNDELL/ADCOCK/AITCHISON/CHAMPNES/RIDGLY/FLUDE/CUMBERLEGE/ et al.
Thanks so much for not only your kind offer to do lookups but also your
great success in finding so many of my SWIFTs in the British VRI. It is
nothing short of a mircle. I always have the best luck on the South
Africa list. I belong to several other lists but none is better. The
participants, including yourself, are the most giving, dedicated bunch I
know. Day after day I cheer other people's successes and today because
of you can I cheer my own. You have given me many leads in England which
I will follow up on. Thank you again.
Sincerely, Kathy Swift Thompson
There is a Kenny Ross, farming in the Bedford area - was at St Andrews with
him, in late 60s. Do not know his ancestory or whether he is interested or
not. I guess you could get his telephone number and contact him.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenister Dave Mnr" <dag(a)sun.ac.za>
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 4:40 PM
Subject: [ZA] Ross
> Hello everyone
> Would be interested to hear from those who are looking at the Ross family
> whether there is any information on Patrick Colquhoun Ross, who married
> Harriet Spiller, say circa 1845. Harriet was born 1825 to Charles James
> Spiller and Catherine Madden somewhere in Albany. The Spillers were in
> Graaff-Reinet by 1840 so I have always assumed that Harriet and Patrick
> married there but I could be wrong. That name, 'Colquhoun' is very
> and is Irish, I think? ... hence my query having seen that the Ross family
> came from Ireland! Any luck?
> Regards ... Dave
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> website at http://home.global.co.za/~mercon/words.html for a list of
> are prepared to do translations for you.
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