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Posted on: General South Africa Query Forum
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Surname: VAN ASS, BLIGNAUT
I am still trying to find out about Anthonie Pieter Van Ass from the Potchefstroom
area (anywhere would also help) and Charles Jacobus Blignaut from Janssensville,
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place, whether we like it or not. They are the hosts after all.
Here is a list of surnames I'm interested in mainly connected to either the
BALLANTYNE(Scotland to S.A. 1868) or LINDSAY(Scotland to S.A. 1858) families
BLAIKIE (Blakey) OFS & NATAL
Look forward to hearing from anyone to exchange info.
Cheers Ann (ex Durbanite)
Phil & Ann PETIT
Email : phpetit(a)ctanet.fr
Web : http://perso.infonie.fr/lepeyrolhttp://www.ctanet.fr/~phpetit
I have a photo taken of 3 of my GG Uncles at the Caledonian Studio,
Grahamstown with the signature of the photographer of C V Fargher! I do
know this was taken prior to 1910 but can anyone tell me anymore info about
Cheers from Central Australia
researching: Forbes - Aliwal North, Grahamstown, East London South Africa.
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Posted on: General South Africa Query Forum
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any other fourie's trying to trace their ancestory back to louis fourie,
and have succeeded, please contact me to inform me how you went about it,
and what sources were used thereto.
thank - danie fourie
Posted on: General South Africa Query Forum
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Surname: Broekman, MacLachlan
I am looking for the following two people or any of their relatives. Thanks
in anticipation of your help.
Paulus Johannes BROEKMAN
Born: 7th November 1947
Stephanie Christine Edith MACLACHLAN
Born: 4th July 1952
With reference to the recent discussion regarding the costs of obtaining
NAAIRS data, here is part of a suggestion I made to one of the test team who
were involved with the development of the site:
"I believe that the Archives should now employ more staff to firstly handle
the certain increase in the work load this system is going to cause but
particularly to offer a transcription or copy service of requested
documents. It should be done by email ONLY and it should be charged to
credit cards. I think a charge of R5 per page would be reasonable and there
would be no postage costs to complicate the pricing structure. So whether a
document was requested from overseas or locally it would still cost R5 per
page. Possibly a minimum charge of R25 would be appropriate. The extra
staff and equipment costs would be borne by the credit card income. The
pages could be photographed by flash free digital cameras and sent by email
as .jpg files. To demonstrate I took a digital photograph a printed page
with a Sony Mavica Digital Camera, flash OFF, using ordinary light from a
40W bulb. The result was excellent. If you think R5 is too much, consider
that the Masters of the Courts charge R4,50 for a one page Death Notice and
they have to use stationery and pay postage."
The staff required could be recruited from the school-leaver level and with
basic training in operating the equipment and attaching the image to emails
they should be up and running fairly rapidly. The capital costs would be
about R5000 per camera and tripod and R7000 per PC.
Robin Griffiths Tel(H):+27(0)31 5731729
38 Longwoods Drive Tel(W):+27(0)31 3625163
Glenhills Cell:082 7754200
Durban North, 4051
South Africa griffrob(a)mweb.co.za
I am trying to trace the descendants of Richard Joseph MCMANUS and Peter Francis
MCMANUS who emigrated from Ireland to SA in about 1886. If anyone knows of the
males of these lines or the females who married HANSEN, CAULFIELD, TIMONEY,
JOHNSON, BARNARD and TAYLOR, I would very much like to hear from them. My wife's
maternal grandmother was Elizabeth (Lily) BATES, nee MCMANUS and sister of
Richard Joseph and Peter Francis.
I understand there are descendants in Durban, Zimbabwe and Cape Town.
On 31 Mar 01, at 6:48, Delia Robertson wrote:
> Researchers in the US and UK generally start their costing with a basic
> one hour charge regardless of the job --- and that first hour is going to
> cost in the region of R550 (fifty pounds or 75 dollars) and upwards. In
> many cases expenses are added on top of that. But even if they did reduce
> it to a basic 15 (R137.50) or 30 (R275.00) minute charge you are still
> paying significantly more than you pay a South African researcher for a
> full hour at R70.00.
I've just looked through the small ads for Family Tree magazine, and most
of the researchers that give a definite figure (ie not "reasonable rates") say
5-6 pounds an hour, which is equivalent to about R70.00. I do freelance
editing, writing and researching, and that is about what I would charge for a
If course it depends what people want.
Many archives depots no longer allow one to photocopy documents from
estate papers, including death notices and wills, which means one has to
write down the details. There may also be other information in the state file
that is interesting, and should be noted. This could take quite a bit more
than an hour, if there is a lot of it.
It also depends on how quickly they want it. If they are prepared to wait
until the researcher is going to the archives anyway, then there should not
be a transport cost. If the client can't wait, and the researcher has to make
a special trip, it seems that a transport fee is reasonable. Running a car
costs about R1.50 a km these days.
If you think these charges are excessive, just think how much it costs to
get the plumber or the electrician in to fix something.
> As for the archives, they should have given Lyn the names of several
> researchers and if I may, I suggest that Lyn file a complaint with the
> chief archivist at the Pretoria (?) depot.
> I doubt the archives will be providing research services in the
> foreseeable future and expect it will remain up to private researchers.
> Delia Robertson.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Keith Meintjes
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 2:21 PM
> Subject: NAAIRS : Info from Archives
> | Lyn's experience brings up a basic issue: With NAAIRS online, there is
> a need | for a service which focuses on retrieving and transcribing
> specific | documents. | | This is a high-volume, low cost per transaction
> business. It does not put a | value on the traditional skills of a
> professional genealogist: Finding snip | | Best wishes | Keith | | | | >
> Am I being unreasonable? | > Lyn Cookson
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The birth certificates from England always give the exact birthdate.( and
time if there were twins) The registers are divided into quarters, but there
is an index. I know our genealogical society has a copy held centrally and
can give an approx 5 year search. work backwards from his death will give
you about 1882. Why not try the mailing list for Nottingham see
www.rootsweb.com/~maillists/ then ask someone there. Each county register
office also keeps BDMs and often are cheaper and quicker to get than the
central one which used to be St Catherine's House. Alas I cannot remember
present name as they shifted some years ago.But Nottingham people will.
From: The Spruyt's <spruytja(a)netactive.co.za>
To: SOUTH-AFRICA-L(a)rootsweb.com <SOUTH-AFRICA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Friday, 30 March 2001 10:21 PM
Subject: Birth Certificate contains Father's Date of Birth?
>I am trying to find out some details my husbands Grandfather George WARD
>died in 1930 aged 48. I would like to find out his exact date of birth. He
>had a number of children between 1916 and 1930. Would the children's birth
>certificate show his exact date of birth and should I investigate the
>earliest child rather than the latest one which was 10 days before his
>death. As someone who has only once before ordered a South African birth
>Certificate three years ago and never received, it what would be the best
>method this time as I am wary to waste money again? Would there be any
>method to find George's birth Date. He was born in Nottingham, England.
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Keith, Lyn, Vince et al:
I appreciate the thrust of your messages and agree that the methods of the
researcher in question are very troubling. The researcher had no business
proceeding with the job until he/she received the go-ahead from Lyn.
However, I do think it worth taking a bit more of a look at research costs.
I doubt researchers in South Africa today can afford not to charge for
expenses or at the least factor them in. And this, in my view, includes the
cost of petrol which is hugely expensive in South Africa these days,
although I agree that R20.00 for one death notice is probably over-the-top.
Also, regardless of the researcher involved, they are entitled to fair
payment for their labour and in my view R70.00 per hour is far from
outrageous. If you are making a living from research you need to cost all
of the time spent on a research request, not just the actual copying of the
document --- and that includes waiting time, administration time (on the
phone, at the computer, at the post office, etc.), and in some cases time
spent in travel. If you don't factor in all of your time your expenses will
soon be more than your income.
I agree that DN's have the potential to be a high volume job, but it costs
the researcher a great deal more in time and expenses to administer 1200 DN
requests from 100 to 500 individuals than it does 1200 DN requests from 1
individual. And yes, I think Vince's deal for 1200 death notices was fair
to him (perhaps even a bargain) and fair to the researcher. Fair to the
researcher precisely because it was 1200 for one individual.
It is a generally accepted practice in South Africa and elsewhere that
people doing contract work, whether researchers, consultants or whatever,
start off with a basic charge of one hour.
Researchers in the US and UK generally start their costing with a basic one
hour charge regardless of the job --- and that first hour is going to cost
in the region of R550 (fifty pounds or 75 dollars) and upwards. In many
cases expenses are added on top of that. But even if they did reduce it to
a basic 15 (R137.50) or 30 (R275.00) minute charge you are still paying
significantly more than you pay a South African researcher for a full hour
As for the archives, they should have given Lyn the names of several
researchers and if I may, I suggest that Lyn file a complaint with the chief
archivist at the Pretoria (?) depot.
I doubt the archives will be providing research services in the foreseeable
future and expect it will remain up to private researchers.
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Meintjes
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 2:21 PM
Subject: NAAIRS : Info from Archives
| Lyn's experience brings up a basic issue: With NAAIRS online, there is a
| for a service which focuses on retrieving and transcribing specific
| This is a high-volume, low cost per transaction business. It does not put
| value on the traditional skills of a professional genealogist: Finding
| Best wishes
| > Am I being unreasonable?
| > Lyn Cookson
On 30 Mar 01, at 12:16, The Spruyt's wrote:
> I am trying to find out some details my husbands Grandfather George WARD
> who died in 1930 aged 48. I would like to find out his exact date of
> birth. He had a number of children between 1916 and 1930. Would the
> children's birth certificate show his exact date of birth and should I
> investigate the earliest child rather than the latest one which was 10
> days before his death. As someone who has only once before ordered a South
> African birth Certificate three years ago and never received, it what
> would be the best method this time as I am wary to waste money again?
> Would there be any other method to find George's birth Date. He was born
> in Nottingham, England.
Where did he die?
If he died in South Africa, or left property in South Africa, the first place to
look would be for his death notice.
Follow the instructions for using NAAIRS in some of the other messages
Richard Ball wrote:
> Then what you need to check is the GRO birth index for England and Wales
> This you should find in the LDS family history centres
> and probably also in large reference libraries in New Zealand
Sorry, somehow I misread your email address as nz rather than za! They
may be in the LDS centres - if not give me the full details, name,
parents and approximate birth date and I can look up the index for you
when I next go to the library, but I can't give any assurance that this
will be very soon.
Which edition do you have? I have the one (re)published by the Van Riebeeck
Society in 1970. A delightful book, but quite rare and somewhat expensive
when you can find it.
I was hoping to find another, less expensive edition to give as gifts to my
family. We are descended from Jacobus Louw and his wife, Maria van Brakel.
"McFerran Family" <mcferran(a)eastcoast.co.za> wrote:
I have the book 'Diary of Adam Tas 1705 - 1706'
Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1
I copied some information from Chapter IV ("Lengthening the cords") of the
book The Settlers and Methodism and have mislaid the sheet of paper on which
I wrote the name of the author, name of publisher and date of publication.
Can anyone help with this information?
from Somerset West, South Africa