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>> Re.Willem Schalk van der Merwe
>> There was some
>> indication that he had 2 wives, but I don't know anything
> Willem Schalk van der Merwe had a child by a Company (VOC)
>woman but was only legally married once.
Mansell, could you supply more information about this union and
the child. I presume this child would then be genealogical number
b1? This is not listed in D&P, neither could I find any reference
to this in "Die Herkoms van die Afrikaner" by J A Heese nor in
"Groepe Sonder grense" by H F Heese.
Barend J Venter
20 Ray Street
Tel/Fax (012) 543-1437.
At 22:33 31/07/98 +0100, James Thomas wrote:
>I am new to South African Genealogy, and would welcome advice.
>Can somebody be kind enough to point me in the right direction to stary to
>search for the marriage
Me too. Thanks Glennis for your info on the Kearns Burials. I would like to
know how to look up a marriage around 1876 and to search for a death in the
Perth, Western Australia
I wish I could come and look over your shoulders out there in Victoria,
but it's a bit far.
I almost landed on your doorsteps this weekend as I was planning to
attend an Eastern European genealogy Conference in one of your hotels near
Vancouver airport, but the Conference was cancelled due to a mixup with
the hotel over the amount of rooms they would be alloting to the
Conference, so did not make that plane reservation.
I am glad there are so many interested in South African research living
so close to each other. I gave a series of 6 workshops on Eastern
European genealogy last September-November and was planning to give them
again this May-July, but we did not have enough applicants to make it
viable. Since then I have heard over the internet of a few people who
would have been interested but it was too far from their homes, and I have
now been asked to consider putting the course on the internet in a
Ukrainian website. That may be something you may want to consider.
Sonia van Heerden
Sorry if parts of my diatribe yesterday cannot be understood. I was
trying to send it off before I would be cut off by my server and did not
have a chance to make corrections.
If there is anything which cannot be understood, please advise me and I
will try to correct it.
Sonia van Heerden
Hi Collette and List Members,
Saw your 'subscribe' message to the S.A. List. I have two Van Rooyens on
Attwell Tree and wondered if you have heard of them and can provide any
dates, just to make my tree more complete?
Quiteria Florence Attwell born 1915 married Andrew Van Rooyen and had
Barrymore Attwell Van Rooyen.
I assume these people would have been living somewhere in South Africa at
Merryl Wells of Hemel Hempstead, Herts., England.
GOONS Mem. No. 1757. Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock;
Mem. of Wells Assn. (GOONS Reg.); Other ONS: Moist.
I am new to South African Genealogy, and would welcome advice.
Sidney Herbert THOMAS (b about 1890, South Africa. d.13 Nov 1960. ?Florida
Mary Agnes WILSON (b 1894, Kendal Westmorland England. d 23 May 1973
Transvaal Provincial Hospital)
I don't know when, I am afraid.
They had 3 children
Eric Denzil THOMAS
Stanley Roy THOMAS - my father
Can somebody be kind enough to point me in the right direction to stary to
search for the marriage, and for the birth of SHT (Yes, poor chap, my
father once told me he was nicknamed "the missing I") in an unknown place.
Would, for instance, a South African marriage certificate tell me his date
& place of birth? Or would I be having to look for Church records?
James D. Thomas
Can anyone help Raymond Bolton? Please send any responses direct to
him at rbolton(a)direct.ca
------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
> From: Raymond Bolton <rbolton(a)direct.ca>
> >I am also looking for some of my ancestors from South Africa and would
> >like to know where to go to try and get some more information on them.
> >The first one is Martin John Desmond, my great grandfather, who came to
> >South Africa from Ireland around the 1890's (I think). He was born in
> >Limerick, Ireland in December 1874 and had his own cartage contractor
> >business in Pretoria from 1907. He died at the age of 85 yrs. on Aug.
> >13, 1959 at his home in Capital Park (Pretoria??!!).
> >Martin evidently was one of Paul Kruger's dispatch riders during the
> >South African War and was captured by the British and taken to the
> >Transvaal. Evidently Martin had a brother (whom I do not know the
> >name). They both excelled at sports and athletics and won numerous
> >trophies. Rumour has it that the brother was a bicyle racer?! But I do
> >not have any proof of that.
> >Another ancestor that I am looking for is my paternal grandmother, Susan
> >Magdelan Clark who was born in 1884 in the Cape Province. She went to
> >Botswana and Northern Rhodesia and was married to James Bolton, my
> >grandfather (born in England in 1874 and died in South Africa in 1949).
> >She had 5 sons who were all born in South Africa. None of their sons are
> >alive today, my father being one of them. (I do know their names
> >however). Thats all of the information that I have on her.
> >I would really appreciate it if someone could help point me in the right
> >direction to locate any more information on any of the above mentioned
> Re.Willem Schalk van der Merwe
> There was some
> indication that he had 2 wives, but I don't know anything about another
Willem Schalk van der Merwe had a child by a Company (VOC) slave
woman but was only legally married once.
He had 14 children. He died July 12, 1716 in Cape Town.
> Re: CLOETE
Fytje/Sophia RADEROOTJES/RAEDERGORTZ, and she
> died after 1700 in Cape Province.
She died 28 May 1685 at the Cape of Good Hope - the 'Cape Province'
did not exist at the time; it only came into existence in 1910 and has
now ceased to exist.
> Re: MYBURGH
> My notes indicate that Albert Myburgh was the 4th child of Jan Lambrechts
> Myburgh and Anna Maria van Laar, as he was born ca 1690 and Jan Lambrecht
> Myburgh was born in 1660. This would make him the male family member from
> Jan Lamberts Myburgh.
> Sources I have for Albert Myburgh are de Villiers/Pama, p. 569, p. 614,
> his christening on the IGI 1660310 40 and Familia 1969, No. 1, Page 1-5.
> I could not find any information on their marriage. Could you give me
> your sources on their marriage data?
Your reading of the 'Familia' article of 1969 is incorrect. The whole
point of the article was to show that Albert Lambertsz Myburgh who
married Elsje van der Merwe was NOT the son of Jan Lambertsz but his
brother! Albert was baptised at the Cape of Good Hope on 1 May 1672.
He and his brother Jan were children of the Norwegian Lammert
Lammertsz from Stavern and his Dutch wife Aeltje Alberts from
Pumerend. Their father, I am of the opinion, was 'massacred' by
aboriginals in 1673 - see the article in 'Capensis' No 2 (June 1998):
'Mooij Ansela and the Black Sheep of the Family'. His brother Jan did
have a son named Albert baptised 16 February 1710 who appears to have
died in infancy. Jan's descendants appear to have died out in the
male line so that all Myburghs, theoretically, descend from his
brother Albert Lambertsz Myburgh - we can never know which stallion
jumped the fence, however when trying to link ALL Myburghs...
The reason for Albert's marriage not being listed: the church records
for Drakenstein for that period are missing and have been for a very
> I agree with others on this forum that the Familia series of periodicals
> are invaluable to find the corrections to the devilliers/Pama and
> Heese/Lombard series. I have obtained as many issues of Familia I could.
> Sonia van Heerden
> Toronto, Canada
Edward Wolsely Fleming KEARNS, was born in Tinnevelly, India in 1856. His
father was a missionary there, from Ireland. At age 15 the boy, "left
school and went to sea" and that is the last I know of him, except that he
must have still been around in 1894 when he was mentioned in his mother's will.
My father always said that he thought some of our ancestors had gone to
South Africa, but I have not yet found any who did.
Does anyone know of any Kearns' out there?
I lost the original of this query so I dont know who to write to direct.
(Dont ask me what happened. I havent got a clue but a whole sheet of
messages just took off GKW.
In the book "The '96 Rebellions" there is a Carl Meyer, Trooper, A
Squadron M.A.F. wounded in action on 6 July (1896) at Thabas Imamba. (p44)
Another entry on p 107. is a long description from the Rhodesia Herald
about the "rescue of the Jesuit Mission Party by Father Richartz" in which
there is mention of 'Brother Meyer'
Pat Frykberg <frykberg(a)inhb.co.nz>
Many thanks!! The details you have sent are going to be most helpful to
researching : De Villiers, Meyer
> From: Dirk du Plooy <dirk.olddog(a)xtra.co.nz>
> To: SOUTH-AFRICA-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: South African Jewish Research
> Date: Friday, July 31, 1998 12:46 AM
Yes, I was logged on to the main government server in Pretoria from their
Durban Depot. I had a morning to spare, so spent about 4 hours trying
various search sequences in affort to cover the different spellings of my
interest names. Do you need help ?
An interesting snippet is that my "connection" here in Durban asked for
details of Conrod's home page and was dismayed to find that his office is
not mentioned. He is going to contact Conrad to amend his useful addresses
Also, he informs me that access to these indices will soon be via the
internet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I asked if this was before the year
2000. Maybe the argnet disk scenario will then fall away.
postal: 4 Russell Place, Durban North 4051 Kwazulu-Natal, South Africa
tel:849900 mobile: 082-4532979 fax: 305-3363
RESEARCHING: WALDECK/WALDEK in South Africa & Germany
BOTHA/VAN DER MERWE Transvaal
VAN NIEKERK Cape
Ms Rudman has since been married and is now called Hendi Slump. She gave me
some exciting news, which I'd like to share with you.
The service of putting surname records on disk is still available and is
also still being charged for at R25-00 per disk. All she needs is a disk,
payment and a letter on what surnames you want to research. The disk will
then be sent to any destination in the world. From the disk one can then
start requesting more specific records. Her email address has also changed
and she can now be reached at the following:
Tel: (012) 323-5300 (still the same)
National Archives Service
Private Bag X236
Two other interesting bits of information she gave, was that they are
currently initiating a project to make their entire database available on
the Internet. It is still early days, but a ambitious project and one that
will definitely draw us all like flies. :)
The second bit is that they will include the 30000 odd tombstone
inscriptions as part of that project, but that there is already someone that
sells the tombstone database on CD's. I got his name, but unfortunately no
contact numbers yet. I need to phone the person at home tonight and will
then post his details once I've got that.
I am extremely excited about all these initiatives taken by the Pretoria
archive services. Does anyone know of similar initiatives from other
archives (Cape, Natal, Free State) ?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Merryl Wells [SMTP:firstname.lastname@example.org]
> Sent: 31 July 1998 01:53
> To: SOUTH-AFRICA-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Divorces/National Archives
> I read the F.T. Mag. article by Mark Tapping and with help (providing
> Rands, etc.) of someone in South Africa received my disk dated October
> 1996. Whilst being processed the price was increased to 25 Rands so my
> friend paid the extra. It is quite likely that it has increased again
> since. The letter I received stated Enquiries to Ms Rudman.
> Tel: (012) 323 5300
> Fax: (012) 323 5287
> E-Mail: arg02(a)acts2.pwv.gov.za
> Perhaps these are still current and anyone interested could contact them
> ask for up-to-date details.
> I requested 21 surnames and they managed to load 19 onto my disk. Gullick
> had only one entry and Gullock none, whereas Bawtree had 19 which were
> mainly details of a farm of that name, and Wells had 1343 which included
> various types of water/oil wells. The two surnames
> not included were Vice which numbered 4116 because that covered anyone
> with the title of Vice-Chairman, etc. (someone has since obtained those
> me which were on two disks), and Ellis 3448!
> Living in England this disk is absolutely marvellous in giving details of
> what is available for my surnames of interest - the only problem is
> obtaining photocopies of the original documents/photos, because of having
> to pay in rands and the chances of the post arriving in either direction.
> There were a large number of divorces included up to quite recent times,
> and also a couple of adoptions or documents relating to orphan children,
> besides land records, insolvency, death notices, titles? of articles in
> Familia, authors, musicians, etc., etc.!
> Merryl Wells of Hemel Hempstead, Herts.
> E-Mail: merryl.wells(a)one-name.org
> GOONS Mem. No. 1757. Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock;
> Mem. of Wells Assn. (GOONS Reg.); Other ONS: Moist.
> > From: TW & CR Smith <TW-CR.Smith(a)xtra.co.nz>
> > To: SOUTH-AFRICA-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Divorces/National Archives
> > Date: 30 July 1998 00:44
> > In the July 1996 Family tree magazine there was a service mentioned
> > whereby National Archives Pretoria would research names in their ARGNET
> > files and if you provided a floppy disc would send any info they found
> > to you for R20.A lot of the files sent on my names were divorces from
> > the courts. Other things were company insolvencys,intestate estates,etc.
> > Snail mail address
> > National Archives Service
> > Argnet
> > Private Bag X236
> > Pretoria 0001
> > South Africa
> > Coralie,Motueka New Zealand
Leslie & Andre
I have done some research in these 2 families. I believe Lorna in SA has
researched them also and Lesley in the Netherlands.
Re. VAN DER MERWE.
Willem Schalk van der Merwe was born ca 1640 at Oud Beyerland, Broek,
near Rotterdam, Netherlands, the son of Schalk van der Merwe. He arrived
in SA 1658 aboard the Dordrecht with 344 other persons. On May 5, 1661 he
was a burger.
On September 9, 1668 he married Elsje Cloete at Cape Town. There was some
indication that he had 2 wives, but I don't know anything about another
wife. He had 14 children. He died July 12, 1716 in Cape Town.
Elsje Cloete was born ca 1648/9 in Cologne (Keulen) Rhineland, Germany to
Jacob CLOETE/KLOETE(N), and Fytje/Sophia RADEROOTJES/RAEDERGORTZ, and she
died after 1700 in Cape Province.
Jacob CLOETE/KLOETE(N), was born ca 1630 in Cologne,Rhineland, Germany.
He married Fytje/Sophia RADEROOTJES/RAEDERGORTZ pre 1648 in Germany. They
had 4 children. He arrived in SA in 1652 with VAN RIEBEECK. He was
murdered on May 23, 1693 at Cape Town, Cape Province.
Fytje/Sophia Raderootjes/Raedergortz was born ca 1620 at Uts, Cologne,
Germany. She arrived in SA May 16, 1659 aboard the Arnhem with her
brother, Pieter Raderootjes. She died May 28, 1665 in Cape Province.
Elsie van her Merwe was the 13th child of Willem Schalk van der Merwe and
Elsje Cloete. I have Elsie van der Merwe marrying Albert Myburgh though I
do not have a date of marriage. But here is hwere I beg to differ from
My notes indicate that Albert Myburgh was the 4th child of Jan Lambrechts
Myburgh and Anna Maria van Laar, as he was born ca 1690 and Jan Lambrecht
Myburgh was born in 1660. This would make him the male family member from
Jan Lamberts Myburgh. Anna Maria VAN LAAR may have been shown as a
"meisie" (sp?) (a young girl who was probably an orphan who was brought
out from the Netherlands to be a bride for a pioneer).
Sources I have for Albert Myburgh are de Villiers/Pama, p. 569, p. 614,
his christening on the IGI 1660310 40 and Familia 1969, No. 1, Page 1-5.
I could not find any information on their marriage. Could you give me
your sources on their marriage data?
I am sorry but most of my sources are secondary, such as the IGI. I have
not had the time to check out the parish registers that the IGI was taken
My first step in finding Afrikaaners was the deVilliers/Pama series of
books, and then the Heese/Lombard series. In North America if the actual
books are not available at a large library, you might be able to find a
microfilmed copy through your local Mormon Library. I know that the first
book of the Heese/Lombard series was available for the 3 week or 6 month
loan through the Mormons on microfilm, and I suspect the other books are
also available, so try the Mormons for this series of books, and when you
obtain this information then you can go ahead and try to find the sources
such as parish registes suggested by the IGI.
I agree with others on this forum that the Familia series of periodicals
are invaluable to find the corrections to the devilliers/Pama and
Heese/Lombard series. I have obtained as many issues of Familia I could.
Sonia van Heerden
To Anne Lehmkuhl and SA List!
Regarding your seminar in Victoria, B.C....
>Anne Erickson (in London and also on this list), remembers me attending such a
>seminar in Johannesburg a few years back.
That genealogy bug must have bitten real hard that day, Anne!
> Can you believe that we're now talking
>about a seminar outside RSA?
Well done. Everyone seems really enthusiastic.
> This list and the internet have been little
>miracles to a genealogist's heart.
All of the best with the seminar!
>There are 55000 South Africans living in British Columbia,
>Canada and I haven't contacted any of them yet!
I believe there are 250 000 South Africans in the UK! (I think there are
more than that).
I wonder how a South African seminar would go down here in London. Maybe
the British Pound is strong enough to bring an expert or two over from
SA to do the talks...
They could bring books maybe and loads of contact names etc. The Boer
War is a major source of interest for British people, not to mention the
huge number of British emigrants to SA over the years, my own family
Then there are those who have lived in SA and have come back to the UK
and want to find their SA ancestry.
An advertisement in Family Tree Magazine would be an idea....
(ex banana girl)
BRINKWORTH: UK, India, Mauritius, South Africa
GRAHAM: Northumberland, Orkney Islands
STEWART: Orkney Islands
I read the F.T. Mag. article by Mark Tapping and with help (providing
Rands, etc.) of someone in South Africa received my disk dated October
1996. Whilst being processed the price was increased to 25 Rands so my
friend paid the extra. It is quite likely that it has increased again
since. The letter I received stated Enquiries to Ms Rudman.
Tel: (012) 323 5300
Fax: (012) 323 5287
Perhaps these are still current and anyone interested could contact them to
ask for up-to-date details.
I requested 21 surnames and they managed to load 19 onto my disk. Gullick
had only one entry and Gullock none, whereas Bawtree had 19 which were
mainly details of a farm of that name, and Wells had 1343 which included
various types of water/oil wells. The two surnames
not included were Vice which numbered 4116 because that covered anyone
with the title of Vice-Chairman, etc. (someone has since obtained those for
me which were on two disks), and Ellis 3448!
Living in England this disk is absolutely marvellous in giving details of
what is available for my surnames of interest - the only problem is
obtaining photocopies of the original documents/photos, because of having
to pay in rands and the chances of the post arriving in either direction.
There were a large number of divorces included up to quite recent times,
and also a couple of adoptions or documents relating to orphan children,
besides land records, insolvency, death notices, titles? of articles in
Familia, authors, musicians, etc., etc.!
Merryl Wells of Hemel Hempstead, Herts.
GOONS Mem. No. 1757. Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock;
Mem. of Wells Assn. (GOONS Reg.); Other ONS: Moist.
> From: TW & CR Smith <TW-CR.Smith(a)xtra.co.nz>
> To: SOUTH-AFRICA-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Divorces/National Archives
> Date: 30 July 1998 00:44
> In the July 1996 Family tree magazine there was a service mentioned
> whereby National Archives Pretoria would research names in their ARGNET
> files and if you provided a floppy disc would send any info they found
> to you for R20.A lot of the files sent on my names were divorces from
> the courts. Other things were company insolvencys,intestate estates,etc.
> Snail mail address
> National Archives Service
> Private Bag X236
> Pretoria 0001
> South Africa
> Coralie,Motueka New Zealand
For Jo-anne Pritchard and others with an interest:
Soc.genealogy.african can be accessed through the following web page:
There is a lot of information about the history of Jews in South Africa,
with a long list of addresses specifically for South African Jewish
genealogy; including Jewish Cemetery records, marriage and divorce records.
I have extracted the following from FAQ 1.3.3 - (there is additional
information in the Special Interest FAQ).
For Jewish Genealogy:
The Jewish Genealogical Society of South Africa
PO Box 1388
Ivan Elion, Chairman
South African Jewish Board of Deputies
c/o The Librarian
PO Box 87557
fax: 27 11 646 4940
For Jewish cemetery records:
Johannesburg Jewish Helping Hand and Burial Society
PO Box 1105
tel: 27 11 4873840
fax: 27 11 4871318
United Chevra Kadisha
PO Box 543
Cape Town 8000
84 Hatfield St
Cape Town 8001
tel +27 21 451546
Libby Robinson, Curator
Port Elizabeth 6001
Mrs H. Schauder, Curator
C.P. Nel Museum (The Synagogue)
PO Box 453
For Jewish marriage and divorce records:
United Hebrew Congregation
Office of the Chief Rabbi
tel: 27 11 725 54444
United Progressive Jewish Congregation of Johannesburg
Paul Nel St
tel: 27 11 4843003
Union of Orthodox Synagogues of SA and Beth Din
191 Buitenkant St
tel: +27 21 4616310
There is also an extensive list of other useful addresses - statistics,
archives, museums, genealogy resources, libraries, etc.
NOTE: I can't vouch for the accuracy of these addresses, most of which are
snail-mail, phone, fax; rather than email - but assume they must be current,
considering the integrity of the source.
Andre van Rensburg (Email: andre(a)clover.com.au ; ICQ - UIN: 1200333) wrote,
2 Feb 98:
>Have you had a look at the following page, which gives a lot of
>resources especially with regards to South African Jewish research.
>There is an A and B text file.
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