I am new to this group, and great to be part of this community.
I am a descendent of John Green of whim there has been plenty of
correspondence in this forum. I don't know if anyone has been aware but
there is a Utah connection. Ann Rowney who married John Green in England
before coming out in 1819 moved to Utah with 2 of her sons (I think) and
there is a whloe branch there now, mwnbers of the Mormon church. You can
refer to the website:
I found there the account she wrote and that of her son William of her life:
AUGUST, 19TH. 1865.
STATEMENT. Made by Mrs. Ann Bowles wife of John Green born abt 1779 who
Married Ann Rowney 17 October 1808 at the request of her sons respecting her
own family, and of the family of her late husband, John Green, who died in
September 1831 at Belfour, in the Rat River country, after John's death, Ann
md [sic] #2 a Mr. Bowker he died,md [sic] #3 a Mr.Bowles. (Ann)My father's
name was George Rowney a Freeman, of Bedfordshire,England, My [sic] mother's
name was Hannah (I don't know what her maiden name was, (HALL). My father
was foreman of a farm belonging to a Mr. Sharp of Bedford, He [sic] worked
for him for thirty years or upwards. My husband's father's name was John
Green, his father's name was, to the best of my recollection, Richard
Green, of Wellingborough, He [sic] was a Plasterer by trade, He [sic] kept a
Public House, the sign of which was [Red] Cow. He had only two sons, Thomas
and John, Both [sic] were Shoemakers by trade, Thomas was married before
John, I don't know his wife's maiden name [sic] He lived in Wellingborough
after his marriage.
John Green Married me in Oct 1808, in St.Paul's [sic] Church Bedford, He
[sic] had been a soldier in the King's Own IV, He [sic] had been Paysargent
and got his discharge through a hurt(saberwound), [sic] When he was about
27 years old. After our marriage we lived in Wellingborough. He still worked
at his trade after we were married. We afterwards went to Deal near Dover,
where we lived for some time, until we embarked for South-Africa December
27,1819 [sic] took 120 days, ariveing [sic] there April 26, 1820. He worked
in Dover for a Mr. Montues, Who [sic] also came out as head of the party.
Thomas Green has four children, when I left Wellingborough. The oldest child
was a son named Richard, about 5 years old [When we left] Wellingborough, in
or about 1816, as I had 4 children. [sic]
There was a William Green living in Wellingborough, He was a Butcher and a
cousin to my husband, He [sic] was well-to-do, and I should, think between
30 and 40 years old, I can't say exactly. The other three children Thomas
Green had were girls, but I don't know their names. He may have had more
children, but I am speaking of the time when I left Wellingborough.
I had five brothers when I left England; Thomas who was in the 2th [sic]
light Dragoons, having rtm away from his apprenticeship, William, a Cabinet
maker in London. He went to America when his time was out, James a
blacksmith at Gravesend, George a tailor in bedford. These were all younger
than I, excepting Thomas, who was the oldest, William was married a long
time before I came out here. The others were still learning their trade,
when I came out to the cape.
My father died shortly after I was married, and my mother died, I think, in
1831 or 1832 How [sic] I know is, that one night when in bed, when George,my
[sic] youngest son now living, was a baby, as I lay in bed, I saw my mother
as plainly as could be, come and open the curtains of the bed. I said to my
husband:"Oh here is my mother". [sic] and she vanished immediately. I
concluded she died then... My [sic] husband's family was the only one of
that name in Wellingborough. My husbands [sic] father and grandfather were
born there, I have heard them speak of it The [sic] old people. My husband's
father was dead before I was married, his wife was alive when I was there,
and died after our marriege, [sic] when we were at Deal, she died at Thomas
Green's, where she went to live, after we left Wellingborough, While [sic]
we lived there she lived at Welby, near Wellingborough, I have never heard
of Thomas Green's death, We [sic] naver [sic] received any letters from any
of them, and my husband never wrote. He began several times, but never
finished,..This [sic] is all I can say now, at present, but what I have
said, I believe are the principal things I can remember. Copied by G. John
My father's name was John Green, born at Wellingborough in the county of
Northampton in the year 1779. His father's name was Richard Green, a
plasterer by trade, his wife's name was Hannah. There was two sons John and
Thomas, John the older was my father. He was married to Ann Rowney at
Bedford St. Paul's Church in the year 1808.
My father left home after his mother's death, his father having married
again to a man who kept a public House, [sic] "The Sign of the Red Cow",
some unpleasantness being the cause.
My Uncle Thomas moved to London. He was a shoemaker by trade, My [sic]
father was in the army, a recruiting sargent. [sic] I do not know to what
regiment he belonged. He emigrated to South Africa in December 27 1819 took
120 days to make the voyage, arrived in Port-Elizabeth on the April 26,
1820, in the ship "Waymouth". He had 4 sons and two daughters when we left
England, Hannah the oldest Mary Ann, John, James, Thomas and William. [sic]
and the third daughter was born on the voyage out.
They were located at the Kreiga where another daughter was born. They left
the Kreiga in 1829 on account of theft by the natives who took all their
stock in the night.
Thomas died of snake bite, the location, Jane? [sic] died of whooping cough,
I was born at Grahmstown on the 7th. of April 1823 and named Thomas as
mother said they had to keep a Thomas in the family.
My father received money twice from through a McDonald who lived in
Grahamstown who had also been in the Service.
My father moved from Grahamstown on the 1st. of September 1834, to Kat River
and died on the 21st. of September 1834 at Balfour.
The Kaffir War broke out in December 1834 and all papers and everything we
had was lost. My mother's father's name was George Rowney, He [sic] had
seven sons and one daughter, Their [sic] names were Thomas, George, William.
I do not know the names of the others, Thomas was a Blacksmith, George a
tailor, and William a Cabinet maker, Two [sic] sons joined the Army and were
both Killed in the battle of Waterloo.
Napolion [sic] who led the French forces against the British in the battle
of Waterloo, was defeated, June 18, 1815. Copied by G. John February 1982.
Wrote by Thomas Green who was born April 7, 1823, having a brother by the
name of Thomas who died of a snake bite, who was born abt 1817, his mother
said they had to have a Thomas in the family, so they named him Thomas, This
was probely [sic] written in abt. 1840.
More interesting stuff:
My great grandmother was Mary-Ann Green who married Robert Innes, first
mayor of Bloemfontein. I have in my possession a letter written by her uncle
George Henry Green to his niece, Emily (who married George Gray (Grey?)
Locke, and the sister of Mary-Ann Green) Their son married a descendent of
George Rex of Kynsna.
I notice one of Emily’s children was called Gertrude Innes Locke maybe
after my Ggmother’s family? My second name is also Innes.
Over new year I stayed in the Hogsback with my family and visited the
cemetery in Balfour, and found George Green’s grave died 1894, the same
year as he wrote the letter. He mentions being not well, with poor sight and
The letter mentions ￡694,000(!) that he his trying to trace in an English
relative’s will. I think it may be a little late to recover any of that! My
grandmother tried to in the 1920s, with no success. He is the baby mention
in Ann Green's account above!
I would love to hear more about the family how are you connected?
Love to hear from anyone with green connections.