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For April and Pauline and anyone else : my crafty brother tripped over this spreadsheet by simply searching on Google using the exact format <"surname,ABC"> where ABC are our man's usefully unusual triple initials without any spaces or punctuation.
On the Ancestry version he is comically found as Abc surname - again no punctuation or spaces, not something I had ever thought of trying before!
I was able to retrieve a blog reference to the Ancestry reference myself by googling for Army born before 1901: but can't seem to repeat this now. But using that phrase I can now find the Ancestry reference itself! which is:
UK, Military Discharge Indexes, 1920-1971 - Search - Ancestry
https://search.ancestry.ca/search/db.aspx?dbid=61448 These lists comprise the names and service numbers of those who were discharged from the armed forces after 1920, and born before 1901. Details given for ...
Using the phrasing of the title on Ancestry, I was then able to locate the spreadsheet reference via google.
The spreadsheet appears in date-of-birth sequence.
Displayed title on google is Attachment 1 - Gov.uk
A list of these soldiers - including officers - was released by MoD under Freedom of Information, and added to Ancestry in 2017. It is also in a spreadsheet freely available on the web.
And our man is - surprisingly - in this list.
So now at least we have a P number for him (P and 6 digits).
And also an item code (AOP and 9 digits) - is this useful for anything?
The Indian Army Lists show him from 1915 in Indian Army Reserve of Officers as Infantry Lt and later Capt, but his Medal Roll Index card (and family tradition) simply says IARO and Royal Engineers, with no other ref number or any corps or unit or battalion. The only other thing on his Index card is what appears to be a reference to a communication from India that listed his medals (he is not in the Medal Rolls themselves, it seems).
So finding the P number etc is a massive step forward.
Family tradition, and his gazetted MBE, suggest Mespot/Mesopotamia. By trade he was a railway engineer in southern India, basically a civil engineer building bridges embankments etc although never a member of ICE. So perhaps a very useful person in Mesopotamia. Finding him as leaving the army after 1920 is a surprise, perhaps due to slow communications between India and UK.
Can anyone tell us where to go from here, to get more on his war time service?
Is it still a matter of contacting MoD by next of kin (how strict? must it be senior living grandchild?), and paying?
and if so, what is the current email address for this type of query?
And if we do contact and pay MoD, what other info (or "precis of info") might we get? Ideally at least a Corps or Unit ref, to give a lead into War Diaries.
Any guidance would be very much appreciated.
Happy New Year to all!
Possibly I'm way behind the times on this, but if anyone didn't know,
the records for the Grenadier, Irish and Welsh Guards, including, it
seems, the WW1 records, have gone to the MoD and *not* The National
"Many of these people ring the museum to ask us to search the archives
for details about these former soldiers. Unfortunately, we do not hold
any service records on individuals. The following Foot Guards
regiments no long hold any records; Grenadier, Irish and Welsh Guards.
"For the soldiers records for these regiments, please go to the
following link https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records/
"Only the following two Foot Guards regiment still hold their records
"Coldstream Guards 020 7414 3081
"Scots Guards 020 7414 3419"
That link is the normal MoD Service Records link.
What on earth is going on? Surely the WW1 records should have been
sifted out and sent to Kew? Are the MoD not in breach of the spirit of
releasing data not required? Note that I don't expect the post-1920
stuff to go to Kew although I know of no reason why it shouldn't - I
keep seeing promises of release, but promises, promises...
Anyone able to add anything?