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Looks like Rootsweb have tweaked their mailing settings - I can now reply
all sensibly using Outlook 2003. I have yet to see what the Digest version
looks like though, as SoG is the only Digest I get. Maybe this will tell
I'm using gmail, ... Clicking "Reply" would get my message to Merryl and
Sog-uk: clicking "reply all" would get the message to both of them plus
Could different ... email programs also affect the settings at Rootsweb?
The answer seems clearly to be "yes". In my case, Outlook 2003 replies only
to the List whether I use Reply or Reply-All. GMail appears to see something
extra compared to Outlook 2003, which can't see the original address at all,
meaning that Digest mode is totally useless except in responding to the
Rootsweb should be catering to "everyone" not just some software - I am
certainly not handing my mail over to Google (quite aside from the fact that
I consider GMail in a browser to be visually appalling - but that's my
Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds.
GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst.
In reply to Malcolm: The Society and other Family History Lists' Webmasters
who use Rootsweb for their messages should let Rootsweb know their members
are not happy about the changes.
The Guild of One Name Studies have at least suggested to their Forum members
that they put their signatures at the beginning of their messages so the
reader doesn't have to hunt around to discover who the writer is, email
address so if you wish to reply you can make sure it is included, and
perhaps their surnames of interest.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Testing
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:16:45 +0100, <sog-uk(a)rootsweb.com> wrote:
> Rootsweb is based (with many changes of their own) on Mailman but Mailman
> itself has had at least 10 'significant' updates since the rootsweb
> version was set up. The latest Mailman does have reasonable > Messing with
> the Reply-To header, and making messages anonymous, is a fudge to avoid
> the impact of Yahoo.com and AOL.com deciding that their customers email
> accounts should be made incompatible with the use of mailing lists.
> Many sites made such (anonymisation) changes a few months ago and many of
> those have updated their Mailman and re-emerged into a saner world. I'm
> presume rootsweb will do that eventually but they can't just upgrade, they
> have to re-fit all their changes. Meanwhile there is little choice but to
> grin and bear it.
> I'm bemused that some people think it's an imposition to expect them to
> sign their messages!
> = Malcolm.
> Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen(a)weald.org.uk>
> GENUKI trustee <genuki(a)weald.org.uk>
> Pedigree User Group <chairman(a)pugweb.org.uk>
> Oxfordshire FHS <webmaster(a)ofhs.org.uk>
> FFHS Communications Officer <communications(a)ffhs.org.uk>
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:16:45 +0100, <sog-uk(a)rootsweb.com> wrote:
> The "From" line says "sog-uk(a)rootsweb.com"
> The "Reply-To" line has "sog-uk(a)rootsweb.com", followed by the address
> of the original sender.
> The "To" line says "sog-uk(a)rootsweb.com"
> This is wrong because the original sender (being on the list) will
> receive any reply in duplicate
It's not really 'wrong', it's a necessary fudge to avoid the fallout from DMARC in a very old version of the Mailman software.
Rootsweb is based (with many changes of their own) on Mailman but Mailman itself has had at least 10 'significant' updates since the rootsweb version was set up. The latest Mailman does have reasonable (albeit imperfect because there is no perfect solution) aleviation of the effects of DMARC.
> Earlier, items were sent without a "Reply-To" line. The "From" line bore
> the address of the original sender, and the "To" line read
> "sog-uk(a)rootsweb.com". Because the header also contained the information
> that it was sent via a list, most mail browsers would insert
> "sog-uk(a)rootsweb.com" as the recipient if one pressed reply, and
> "sog-uk(a)rootsweb.com" and the original sender if one pressed reply-all.
> So how and why has an additional "Reply-To" line come to be added?
Messing with the Reply-To header, and making messages anonymous, is a fudge to avoid the impact of Yahoo.com and AOL.com deciding that their customers email accounts should be made incompatible with the use of mailing lists.
Many sites made such (anonymisation) changes a few months ago and many of those have updated their Mailman and re-emerged into a saner world. I'm presume rootsweb will do that eventually but they can't just upgrade, they have to re-fit all their changes. Meanwhile there is little choice but to grin and bear it.
I'm bemused that some people think it's an imposition to expect them to sign their messages!
Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen(a)weald.org.uk>
GENUKI trustee <genuki(a)weald.org.uk>
Pedigree User Group <chairman(a)pugweb.org.uk>
Oxfordshire FHS <webmaster(a)ofhs.org.uk>
FFHS Communications Officer <communications(a)ffhs.org.uk>
As I started this thread having read 10's of messages on the Guild of
One-name studies list on this subject
I am now even more confused as it might depend on the message processing
within rootsweb what content is included in the From and Reply To fields in
the header of the message. Or rootsweb have changed the processing back -
on the 12th a message from Jeanne via the list , if I used Reply it would
only have gone to Jeanne, if I used Reply all it still only went to Jeanne -
so to reply to the list I would have needed to add sog-uk(a)rootsweb.org
A quick test with recent messages appears to mean that it now works like
before except the original sender (and responders to a message thread?) may
get more than 1copy).
Sorry for any confusion caused by the initial main (and perhaps the some
list members not being aware that I am not longer involved in SoG IT)
Suggest this thread is closed pending further addressing issues.
Broomfield, Bromfield & Brumfield One Name Study
From: sog-uk-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:email@example.com] On
Behalf Of sog-uk(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: 14 July 2014 13:44
To: sog-uk(a)rootsweb.com; Hector Davie
Subject: Re: [SOG-UK] Testing - Rootsweb headings
Think someone should change the Subject line. At present we see in the From
Column that it has come from the Society, assume it's from the Webmaster and
that they are doing a Test, so maybe some members are not reading these
messages believing they are of no concern to them, don't affect them.
The most annoying thing about this change of Rootsweb is that you cannot see
the name of the