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>Of course a local village hall with poor loos, no catering or sitting
space, no lecture rooms, limited parking etc. are much cheaper.<
You forgot about having to lug all your gear from the car park!! We could
drive right inside to our tables at the NAC!!
Demonstrator and lecturer hats on!
Thank you, Trevor, for your message - it is nice to receive praise, and good
to know that you had a rewarding couple of days. We must have done well if
you didn't see the problems that did occur. There were times when Marjorie
and I were scratching around for people to do things, but our volunteers
always came up trumps.
At 12:47 PM 30/09/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>We would thank the SoG for organising an excellent fair this weekend
>at Stoneleigh. The venue was very good, a large hall at the National
>Agricultural Centre, and easy to find.
>As a trader we were well pleased with sales,
Oh good, I am always glad to think that you get some benefit from the fairs
>in fact it was the best SoG fair for us in recent times,
Even better ! We were having kittens at the Society due to the lack of
response from trade stands and FHS representation, and of course with a new
venue it is hard to pre-guess at numbers through the door. I know that the
cost put a lot of potential stands off. It is hard to explain that when
using the better venues we make no profit on tables and the high costs are
only partially passed on in the charges we make.
Of course a local village hall with poor loos, no catering or sitting
space, no lecture rooms, limited parking etc. are much cheaper.
Perhaps the reduced number of trade stands meant more business for those
that were there. Anyway I hope that we can support each other in years to
Treasurer's hat on this time !
Geoffrey T. Stone,
SoG Mailing List Administrator. lists(a)sog.org.uk
Hugh W wrote:
>a little knowledge is a danger and my Latin is worn thin after 52 years
>Lets hope our guest forget that bit
It's not us you should be apologising to, but those poor souls you told at
the Fair. You will be sending them away thinking that the Society is a
Banana Republic !
Whos side are you on?
One Name Study of WEDMORE worldwide and linked interests in DUCK, POLE,
PUCKLE and One Name Study of SCARNELL in the UK
Getting the best from the 1881 census
by John Hanson
Wednesday 13th November 2pm
This talk will look at the LDS census index and extracting information from
including difficult to find entries. Also included will be details of some
of the other
programs that can be used in conjunction with the information extracted.
There will be an opprortunity to attempt to find missing people or attendees.
Course fee: £7 (£5.60 Members)
Genealogy on the Internet
by Peter Christian
Saturday 30th November 10.30am
The Internet is becoming increasingly important for genealogists. This
lecture will look
at the various ways in which the Internet is of use to family historians:
on-line data collections, for contacting others with similar research
interests, for getting
help with problems, and making your family tree easily available to others.
Course fee: £4 (£3.20 Members)
PCC wills online from the PRO
by Barney Tyrwhitt - Drake
Saturday 30th November 2pm
The lecture will show how the PRO has put PCC wills from 1850
onwards online and will demostrate how to retrieve them.
Course fee: £7 (£5.60 Members)
Professor Peppers Magic Lantern
A Victorian entertainment and social history
by Nick Scahill
Saturday 7th December - 2pm
This lecture provides the perfect opportunity to sit in the audience of a
show without the need for all that messy time travelling! Stare at slum
life, peer into
prisons and marvel at moving slides... oh, and enjoy yourself too!
Course fee: £4 (£3.20 Members)
The Society of Genealogists
14 Charterhouse Buildings,
London EC1M 7BA
5 minutes walk from Barbican Station, a few minutes longer from
Farringdon, various buses.
Fees are not refundable unless the course is cancelled.
To book please write with a SSAE to the address above
The 2002 calender of lectures and events organized by the Society is on the
web site at http://www.sog.org.uk/events/calender2002.html
For further details:-
telephone: 020 7553 3290 or e-mail: events(a)sog.org.uk
----- Original Message ----- From: <T2quirke(a)aol.com>
> I understand that early (say, pre-1800) marriages had to be performed by a
> of E priest in a C of E church (except for Jews and Quakers) to be legally
> recognized. >
> My question is: when did it start being legal to be married by a
> non-conformist minister? Was there actually a change in the law or was
> law just more and more relaxed? Or was it in 1858 when the probate
> jurisdiction changed?
> > Sorry for a question that I'm sure any 10 year old English school lad
> answer, but my problem is that I've never been a 10 year old English
> lad. To my frequent regret.> > Cheers,> > Terence
> Living in the foothills of the snow -capped Rocky Mountains west of
Marriage was legal in a variety of ways before the passing of Lord
Hardwicke's Marriage Act in 1754, which restricted legal marriage to the
parish church, Jews and Quakers only excepted. From 1837 marriage became
available in addition in places of worship licensed for marriage by the
registrar-general, and in register offices.
(still catching up on masses of emails )
using Archive CDs - see
and researching (and not finding much time for - but always very glad to
hear of any)
HENLEY, PARKER, PRENTICE, SECKER, RAPER, DURDEN
ROLFE, (O)RAFFERTY, EVANS, PARSONS, SYMONDS [IN Berks/Hants/Wilts]
HILL [IN Staffs/Cambs/Berks]
----- Original Message -----
From: Malcolm Austen
Sent: 29 September 2002 09:47
Subject: [SoG] verso to recto
On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, Hugh Watkins wrote:
+ a folio http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=folio&r=67
+ Etymology: Middle English, from Latin, ablative of folium
+ Date: 15th century
+ It has a number
+ and a verso or front
+ and a recto or backside which is easy to remember (pointing over my
+ shoulder to get a cheap laugh)
Oh, no, No, NO Hugh!
Recto is the front, easy peesy to remember:
Recto is the Right side (of an open book)
Verso is the reVerse side
+ folio one has two pages verso is page one and recto is page two
+ then folio two verso is there recto is four . .
With 'conventional' numbering, recto pages have odd numbers and verso
pages have even numbers.
a little knowledge is a danger and my Latin is worn thin after 52 years
Lets hope our guest forget that bit
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I spent most of Saturday on the Advice section at Stoneleigh.
I was kept busy all day with questions. Quite a few questioners were fairly
new to family history, so this event is reaching people we have probably
not met before. On occasions when an internet site might provide an answer,
most of the questioners dod have some form of internet access (some through
their local library.
Among the questions, I noticed several on:
People with photos of relatives in military uniforms
- and of course several "I am stuck" questions, seeking some alternative
suggestion about records they might try.
Last time I was on a general advice section, I had lots of questions on
adoption and lost families, but I only had one this time.
The questioners were very well organised, they had come to the event with
specific aims. Some who had been to previous events at NEC were
disappointed that the full range of microfiche and computer finding aids
were not available. But the library of standard textbooks ("My ancestor . .
", Gibson Guides, Raymond Bibliographies, etc) was being used by many
I found the event very useful, I enjoyed walking around the hall and
meeting old friends.
I thought the venue worked well. For me, it was easy to get there by car,
and parking was just by the hall.
It was clear that an enormous amount of preparation work had been done the
day before. I think everyone involved should be congratulated on an
Frank Hardy has asked me to write and send a big, public vote of thanks to
all those volunteers who worked so hard at Stoneleigh to make the event
such a resounding success. And special thanks goes to those who did more
than they were asked.
John Hanson and I would also like to thank our dedicated team of Computer
volunteers who were hard at it for two days finding ancestors in the 1901
census and the 1881 index, advising on Family History programs as well as
doing lookups on various Society CD databases.
Hard work, but rewarding, especially when you hear the whoop of joy when
you have found someone's grandfather!
Further to Gillian's message it deserves to be said that the event at Woking
is much more than just a family history fair. It is also an Open Day where
there will be the opportunity to research West Surrey F.H.S.'s many
transcripts and indexes including the 1891 and 1901 census fiche for rural
Surrey and much other genealogical material from their reference library:
Other F.H.S.'s will have their own transcripts and indexes available and
these can be searched at the various stalls, viz.
Berkshire F.H.S. http://www.berksfhs.org.uk
Bucks. F.H.S. http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk
Oxon. F.H.S. http://www.ofhs.org.uk
In addition, other F.H.S.'s have reserved stalls, so the event should
interest anyone with ancestors in Berks., Bucks., Dorset, Hants., Kent,
London, Manchester, Middlesex, Notts., Oxon., Surrey or Sussex. These will
be supported by a good selection of commercial exhibitors.
The West Surrey volunteers are the most helpful and friendly I have ever
come across, and the event is very well organised and attended, so for me it
has been the most enjoyable event on the calendar in the last 2 or 3 years.
Admission is free, as is parking, and refreshments are available. Need I
>There is definitely a Family History Fair at Woking as I am taking the
>Berkshire Family History Societies bookstall to it on Saturday 2nd
>November. It is organised by the West Surrey FHS at the Woking Leisure
>Centre, Kingfield Road and is open between 10am to 4.30pm
I understand that early (say, pre-1800) marriages had to be performed by a C
of E priest in a C of E church (except for Jews and Quakers) to be legally
My question is: when did it start being legal to be married by a
non-conformist minister? Was there actually a change in the law or was the
law just more and more relaxed? Or was it in 1858 when the probate
Sorry for a question that I'm sure any 10 year old English school lad could
answer, but my problem is that I've never been a 10 year old English school
lad. To my frequent regret.
Living in the foothills of the snow -capped Rocky Mountains west of Denver,
Congratulations, a good day out and a good location, hope you all have a
great day on Sunday.
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SoG Family History Experience 2002 is in a barn by a cowshed and a sort of genealogcal market place
Well the SoG http://www.sog.org.uk/ seems to be a bit of a Banana Republic and not a good host for a volunteer, no wonder there are shortages.
It felt it like town versus gown in Oxford, staff and committee versus members.
Only one connection to the internet and two computers idle because of lack of volunteers. Two members connected via their own mobile phones so guests standing in queues for three machines doing 1901 look ups.
I and two or three more busy with 1881 and even had two look ups in 1851 Warwks.
How to privatise data in FTM was one issue,
and not many had a clue what (eg) Source: FHL Film 1341586 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2436 Folio 36 Page 29 means - after doing a brilliant look up I had to nag them and say *write it down*
The Salt Lake Family History Library
>> founded by the Genealogical Society of Utah in 1894 and it now houses the largest collection of genealogical material in the world. The society is dedicated to acquiring and preserving copies of the records of mankind. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS) has financed the society's methodical work. The Church teaches that close ties to ancestors are a part of family happiness. <<
Public Record Office
Records of the General Register Office, Government Social Survey Department, and Office of Population Censuses and Surveys
General Register Office: 1881 Census Returns
there at the PRO a PIECE of the archives is a box or file containibg vellum or paper f or example.
I held up a sheet of paper and asked "What does an archivist call this ?"
a folio http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=folio&r=67
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin, ablative of folium
Date: 15th century
It has a number
and a verso or front
and a recto or backside which is easy to remember (pointing over my shoulder to get a cheap laugh)
folio one has two pages verso is page one and recto is page two
then folio two verso is there recto is four . .
3 5 6
4 7 8
5 9 10
seems to easy so I stop there ;-))
There were 17 guests at my station (which was a Sony laptop connected to one of the Socity's monitors for better viewing) including one from USA who told me she had come specially to see me but unfortunately we had too little time to socialise. Only one quick break to the loo otherwise non stop. and answering questions even with my mouth full of cheese ssndwich and lettuce from my nose bag.
I hope we can get a lunch at a Mitchell and Butlers pub as she is descended from the BUTLER brewing dynasty at The Cedars Wolverhampton.
I kept a guest book and did some 1901 look ups at home afterwards but three had written their email addresses incorrectly so they will never know.
Today, Sunday, I am going late for my own pleasure and leaving my laptop at home
I need to get some software and do some shopping and will help out so that people can get breaks. See you there in about 3 hours.
I was so annoyed by one individual's attitude that I felt like resigning from SoG and GOONS but after sleeping oin it I am going to give them a second chance.
Me thinks twas an expert but like train spotter playing with a train set and not good at human engineering.
I did enjoy myself :-)
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: 28 September 2002 15:06
Subject: [SoG] Parish of St. Mary le Savoy
I am endeavouring to find out more about Mary Kake who is said to be of the
Parish of St. Mary Le Savoy in the Allegation of Interntion to Marry Charles
11 September 1699. I cannot find where the original registers are deposited
in either Phillimore's Index of Parish Registers or the par.loc. website.
try A2A or PROCAT
no time now so ask again if that is not clear
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----- Original Message -----
From: Rosemary Jenkins
Sent: 27 September 2002 09:37
Subject: [SoG] "Institution" in 1901 census
although many of the last are indexed
under "The", as in The London Hospital rather than London Hospital.
<< thanks :-=?(((
I always try to find the individuals of interest to me in as many records
as possible, as one never knows what might turn up.
<< social history is part of FH
they are hardly likely to have family with them. I had
considered buying the fiches but couldn't really justify the expense,
<< and time
in 1881 some workhouse inmates are as complete or one parent families even apparentliy living in seperate cottages in the grounds as gardeners or laundresses
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I have heard of others who have received the index to GM vol 26 in early August, while I have not yet had that pleasure.
Friday saw the arrival of GM Vol 27 No 7 (September issue). Can anyone tell me if that was posted (or received) before or after the index to the previous volume, so I can know whether my copy has gone astray ?
Having a need to find some hospital records I found my way onto the PRO
site and their (newish?) Hospital Records Database.
I am quite impressed with the information given and it has pointed me
hopefully to the right places for research. The Database is a joint
venture with the Wellcome Trust. Anyone else used this site recently?
Maybe you will find it as St.Mary Le Strand:
I picked this off an internet site:
St. Mary le Savoy, or St. Mary in the Savoy, or St. Mary Strand, so called
from Queen Mary the First, or an old Chapel there; but at first it was St.
John in the Strand, and was formerly the Chapel Royal for the Kings of
If this is right the Registers are probably at:
City of Westminster Archives Centre,
10 St Ann's Street,
Telephone: (020) 7641 5180
Fax: (020) 7641 5179
Minicom: (020) 7641 4879
Some of the registers have been extracted to the IGI
Hope this is correct,
At 11:05 28/09/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>I am endeavouring to find out more about Mary Kake who is said to be of the
>Parish of St. Mary Le Savoy in the Allegation of Interntion to Marry Charles
>11 September 1699. I cannot find where the original registers are deposited
>in either Phillimore's Index of Parish Registers or the par.loc. website.
>Any help would be much appreciated.
>SOG # 004277