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thank you for your reply. I have no doubt that the story is
bogus but was thoroughly castigated when I made this suggestion. I don't
think I will bring up the subject again but content myself with a superior
grin. My interpretation is that the person who made up the story is held in
high regard by my second cousin, who quotes the story. She doesn't want to
believe that he would have lied to her.....even though he was an old
reprobate from all accounts.
Greetings listers. Thought I'd pass this on to you.
It must have taken some poor sucker ages to research [or invent?]...
> Does History repeat Itself
> 1. Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846
> 2. John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946
> 3. Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860
> 4. John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960
> 5. Both were particularly concerned with civil rights
> 6. Both wives lost their children while living in the White House.
> 7. Both presidents were shot on a Friday.
> 8, Both Presidents were shot in the head
> 9. Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy
> Kennedy's secretary was name Lincoln.
> 10 Both were assassinated by Southerners
> 11 Both were succeeded by Southerners named Johnson.
> 12 Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln was born in 1808
> 13 Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy was born in 1908
> 14 John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln, was born in 1839
> 15 Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy, was born in 1939
> 16 Both assassins were known by their three names.
> 17 Both names are composed of fifteen letters.
> 18 Lincoln was shot in a theatre named 'Ford'
> 19 Kennedy was short in a 'Lincoln' a car made by Ford.
> 20 Booth ran from the theatre and was caught in a warehouse
> 21 Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theatre
> 22 Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials
> And - here is the real kicker.
> A week before Lincoln was shot, he was in Monroe, Maryland
> A week before Kennedy was shot, he was with Marilyn Monroe
Yes, I was very tempted as well, but didn't. Did anyone try the
helpline? I got asked if I wanted a Welsh language form - no other
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wicking, Denis [mailto:WickingD@logica.com]
> Sent: 27 April 2001 15:16
> To: SOG-UK-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: [SoG] 2001 census (for Welsh members - and Cornish)
> I'm going for multi-ethnic European to cover the French and
> Germans in my
> line cover the last 6 generations.
> Simon Fowler wrote:
> >I don't want to boost... but there will be a comprehensive (and
> >very good) review of the site written in mid-April by David Tippey
> >in June's 'Family History Monthly' - the magazine that's always
> >first with the genealogical news!
> Well obviously you did want to boost - sales presumably <grin>.
I put it down to a strong Norfolk accent oozing from the subject under
discussion. Anyone speak Norfolk?
On the subject of the 1891 Census Pilot, I have a large number of
Norfolk ancestors and have found numerous horrendous errors in the
online index. I am not at all impressed with the accuracy but overall
the information provided in the index is good.
David Geoffrey Watkins wrote:
> >>>>Don't know why, this reminds of the American who wanted to know where
> Loos and A-RUN-dle were. (Lewes and Arundel.)<<<
> I bet his name wasn't Cholmondeley.
> During WW2, when most sign posts and location names were removed to baffle
> German paratroopers, most British railway stations advertised themselves as
> "Gentlemen" ! <G>
> Dave Watkins
As usual, nowhere for the ladies to go!
Just a thought - does our noble lord and patron get sent a new plastic members' card? On the headed notepaper that
accompanied mine? If so, hope he didn't look too closely at his name across the top :-)
The mnemonic comes from the fact that "Michael" is from the Hebrew compound proper noun ending in "-el" = "God"
(approximately). Or you can buy the shirts unless they've already marked stuff with the new brand name!
Peter (Member 25396)
In message <000201c0d165$d52be660$9be0883e@default>, Wilfred Gathercole
>There are volunteers other than those who work in the library or
>at public events, and some of them might not agree with you.
>Certainly this household would not - which has over ten years
>experience of voluntary work for the SoG.
I had hoped I had made it clear that the example I quoted was just that,
but of course what I was really saying was not that everything was rosy
(heaven knows I have seen my own volunteer work undermined often
enough), but that anyone who stands at a distance and orders people
about without getting stuck in themselves is on a hiding to nothing.
Apologies for not making this clearer.
Marshal Michel Ney made a point of leading his troops from the front,
not because he got a better strategic view of the battle from there, but
because he recognised that battles were won and lost by the morale of
the troops more than the planning of the generals. Then he met my gt gt
grandfather at Waterloo and got the silver medal...
Drake Software web site: http://www.tdrake.demon.co.uk
Mobile phones and pagers are banned in the Society Library and should be
left in the lockers. Certainly phones and pagers must be switched off, or
operated in silent mode. Strictly no electronic equipment is to be used in
the Library by members, but an exception is made for pacemakers, and laptop
computers, provided that the library staff are consulted before use. It is
asked of computer users that they make a small donation towards the cost of
providing power and the cost of providing sockets, as most of them actually
use the Society power rather than batteries.
>>>>Don't know why, this reminds of the American who wanted to know where
Loos and A-RUN-dle were. (Lewes and Arundel.)<<<
I bet his name wasn't Cholmondeley.
During WW2, when most sign posts and location names were removed to baffle
German paratroopers, most British railway stations advertised themselves as
"Gentlemen" ! <G>
I had always thought that deriving the place name Rotten Row from "route
du roi" was a case of "educated" folk etymology, on a par with deriving
"loo" from "l'eau", and similar to the efforts of certain genealogists to
devise fanciful etymologies for mundane English surnames.
There used to be more Rotten Rows than there are today, and the name
surely meant just that - often the street where the market garbage was
thrown to gently ferment, often on boggy ground. In Lynn a street of
this name was also called Ratton Row, from the large number of rats which
infested the area.
Checking out the etymologies suggested by the English Place Name Society
for specific streets might be a good way forward (though that might not
cover Rotten Row in Glasgow...)
I've added extra info to my form such as my full name, my
genealogical interest in COSSAR and where I was in 1981 when my
then landlord almost certainly didn't put my name on the form! And
if my sisters don't get forms soon, they're going on there as
>Maybe I'm taking this census too seriously, but I've just had to
>tell son number 2 not to stay at his friend's tomorrow night!
from Ann Cossar
Barney Tyrwhitt-Drake wrote.....
>>Get them to expand on their views. You never know what will turn up. We
had an eccentric Maths teacher when I was around 10 who was a British
Israelite by persuasion. It was fascinating to get him going off at a
tangent on how Britons are descendants of a lost tribe of Israel.
Completely loopy of course but very entertaining.<<
NOT necessarily loopy at all.
At the end of the 15th century when the Moors were being driven out of
their last stronghold in Spain, Granada, a number settled in Doncaster and
became the Yorkshire Moors! And later one of their descendants made his way
across the Pennines to Manchester and founded Granada Television.
Roy Stockdill, Editor, the award-winning Journal of One-Name Studies
People will not look forward to posterity, who never look backward to their
ancestors - Edmund Burke
A friend of mine was born and baptised at Edinburgh Castle as her Father was
the Governor. I have never dared to ask the lady her age, but I would
suspect this to have been between 1900 and 1910.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barney Tyrwhitt-Drake" <Barney(a)tdrake.demon.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [SoG] Were babies born in Edinburgh Castle killed?
> In message <81.a458120.281bf0b1(a)aol.com>, JANETHESKI(a)aol.com writes
> > I wonder what approach other
> >people take in similar circumstances, let the person keep their wrong
> >or try to convince them otherwise.
> Get them to expand on their views. You never know what will turn up. We
> had an eccentric Maths teacher when I was around 10 who was a British
> Israelite by persuasion. It was fascinating to get him going off at a
> tangent on how Britons are descendants of a lost tribe of Israel.
> Completely loopy of course but very entertaining.
> Barney Tyrwhitt-Drake
> Drake Software web site: http://www.tdrake.demon.co.uk
Christine Workman wrote:
> Thanks for the information re Rotten Row in Hyde Park and the village in
> In reply to B A White:
> My Rotten Row is in the village of Brookhouse, about 8 miles east of
> Lancaster in the Lune valley. The Row consists of a small row of eighteenth
> century houses on one side of a narrow lane. This lane joins the original
> main road to Kirkby Lonsdale, (re-routed away from the villlage about 1820),
> opposite the church, and is a route down to the river Lune.
I seem to remember reading once that Rotten Row in Hyde Park is a
curruption of another name - possibly French. The English had a
wonderful way of making difficult French into something totally unlike
However, the Oxford Dictionary insists that Rotten is Rotten, and I
wonder if the cottages in question were indeed pretty rotten at one
time. I am familiar with this village and the houses, and it seems to me
that the locals could have given that description in days gone by. They
are not 'rotten' now of course - modern building practices have seen to
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In message <MABBKBOHJJBHKMOBKKJCKEPPCCAA.chris1.workman(a)virgin.net>,
Christine Workman <chris1.workman(a)virgin.net> writes
>Thanks for the information re Rotten Row in Hyde Park and the village in
>In reply to B A White:
>My Rotten Row is in the village of Brookhouse, about 8 miles east of
>Lancaster in the Lune valley. The Row consists of a small row of eighteenth
>century houses on one side of a narrow lane. This lane joins the original
>main road to Kirkby Lonsdale, (re-routed away from the villlage about 1820),
>opposite the church, and is a route down to the river Lune.
There are currently 16 streets named Rotten Row in Great Britain,
although yours being near to Kirkby Lonsdale is clearly the most
important one of them all.
(who still remembers the overhead cables in Claughton)
In message <00fa01c0d097$b124ec40$b8d5bc3e(a)zetnet.co.uk>, Penny Wythes
>I chose to ignore the first name bit - and put both given names down -
>having considered putting the nickname I am usually known by. Rethinking - I
>could add that in brackets I suppose, to be less confusing.
>Penny (Penelope Anne more formally)
>> I haven't yet decided which name to put on my form! I have always been
>> known by my middle name. No-one would find me under my first name!! In
>> fact, when I am in the Dr's waiting room, I usually manage to ignore calls
>> for Yvonne Bunting!!
Take a look at the Electoral Roll. You'll be Yvonne J. Bunting there
Barnard Guy Tyrwhitt-Drake
In message <013401c0d013$c866a4e0$e9179fd4@77nw10j>, Simon Fowler
>I don't want to boost... but there will be a comprehensive (and very good)
>review of the site written in mid-April by David Tippey in June's 'Family
>History Monthly' - the magazine that's always first with the genealogical
You obviously do want to boost, so let me add that there is also a
review of the site written in mid-March by some guy with a double-
barrelled surname that will appear in the July issue of Family Tree
Drake Software web site: http://www.tdrake.demon.co.uk
Thanks for the information re Rotten Row in Hyde Park and the village in
In reply to B A White:
My Rotten Row is in the village of Brookhouse, about 8 miles east of
Lancaster in the Lune valley. The Row consists of a small row of eighteenth
century houses on one side of a narrow lane. This lane joins the original
main road to Kirkby Lonsdale, (re-routed away from the villlage about 1820),
opposite the church, and is a route down to the river Lune.