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I bought the Custodian II programme at the SocGen Fair two weeks ago. I
have been trying to transfer my database files from Corel Quattro7 to
Custodian using various file formats but so far haven't suceeded. Phil
and Sonya Smith the originators of the programme are working on the
Have any of you used these two programmes and encountered this difficulty?
If so how did you resolve it? Would be glad of any suggestions.
Pam Reynolds in Leverstock Green Herts UK.
When I wrote my "Genealogy Computer Packages" book in 1993, there was a
package RDF2GED which took an RDF file and produced GEDCOM - it was
produced by John C Barron in the USA, and was stocked by the SoG and
shareware suppliers like PDSL. I seem to remember that it only worked if
you had used RDF in the way recommended in the Personal Ancestral File
manual. Anyway, to use that you first have to recover the file.
It may help you to know that an RDF file is a very simple format, just
plain text. So if Locoscript still works, copy the RDF file for safety,
then just try to open it in Locoscript (maybe you have to tell Locoscript
it is a text file - I can't remember). So at least this should make the
data legible and printable. If there is not very much, this might be all
If you want to get the RDF file converted for use on a PC, the expert on
this is the chairman of the SoG Computer Committee, Jeanne Bunting; email
firgrove(a)compuserve.com. Ask her for a quotation.
On the Old English list Judith Werner asked the following question:
"In Alumni Cantabrigensis, Hugh de Norton is listed with the notation
"admitted King's scholar at Cambridge,1327-9." Can anyone tell me
what 'King's scholar' would have been?
Hayward, California, USA"
We have established that scholars at Eton (founded by Henry VI in 1441)
are still called Kings Scholars. And that Kings College Cambridge was
also founded by Henry VI. But what about Kings Scholars in the early
Can anyone help with this?
Christopher Richards, Bristol
I have hesitated to reply to Jean Skilling's message because I am sure there
are many on this list far better qualified to do so than me. However, as no
reply as yet appeared - here goes!
What you describe is certainly not a common format for an entry of marriage.
It would seem to be the deliberate recording, first before a JP & then in a
parish register, of a marriage which had taken place some time previously
when the couple made a mutual declaration, before witnesses, of their
consent to marry each other. Up until 1940, this was all that was needed to
make a marriage in Scotland legal. There was no need to involve a clergyman
or a church. This type of marriage was known as an "irregular marriage".
Between the coming into force of Hardwicke's Marriage Act on 25 March 1754 &
the beginning of Civil Registration on 1 July 1837, Congregationalists in
England would have had to marry in an Anglican church. If they objected to
this on religious grounds, perhaps an irregular marriage in Scotland was one
way round the problem.
The declaration before the JP states that the couple "were husband and wife
of each other having previously and within the kingdom of Scotland accepted
each other as such". Does it go on to give any clues as to where & when &
who the witnesses were?
The records of the Congregationalist churches in Scotland are to be found in
class CH14 in the National Archives of Scotland, Edinburgh. You might find
the names of Congregationalist ministers there. The GENUKI website
recommends 2 books: "The Scottish Congregational Ministry 1794-1993" by Rev.
Dr. William D. McNaughton, published in 1993 at Glasgow by the
Congregational Union of Scotland and "A History of Scottish
Congregationalism" by Harry Escott, published in 1960. Church of Scotland
ministers are listed in "Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae". I assume that the SOG
Library has a copy.
I hope this is helpful. A Scotland specific mailing list might be able to
give you more information. To subscribe to the Scotland GenWeb list send a
message to SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe"
in the body of the message.
I can give you the name of someone who transfers PCW readable discs to
PC readable discs. It's not clear thought if the problem is with the
reading the data or with the programs themselves having got corrupted.
It sounds a bit like the latter because the Locoscript files are
The person who advertises doing the transfers is Martin Sawers, 24
Ambrose Road, Clifton Wood, Bristol BS8 4RJ. Tel 0117 9098196, Fax
Malcolm Brunsdon wrote:
> My Parents have an Amstrad 8512 with PAF and Research Data Filer that is not
> working any more. The 8512 works in Locoscript mode but cannot see the PAF
> or RDF files.
> Does anyone know if there is anyway of recovering thses files and can the
> data from the RDF be imported into any newer software.
> >From Malcolm Brunsdon at Basralopus
> Visit the Family History Web Page at
> Brunsdon Family Forum at
> ICQ 57937042
My Parents have an Amstrad 8512 with PAF and Research Data Filer that is not
working any more. The 8512 works in Locoscript mode but cannot see the PAF
or RDF files.
Does anyone know if there is anyway of recovering thses files and can the
data from the RDF be imported into any newer software.
>From Malcolm Brunsdon at Basralopus
Visit the Family History Web Page at
Brunsdon Family Forum at
Members of the List provided excellent assistance in identifying the
source of another quote I posted previously, so I'm hoping you'll also
be able to help with the following.
Does anyone know the source of: "We all laugh at pursuing a shadow,
though the lives of the multitude are devoted to the chase."
I want to use it in my family history writing.
Thank you. Lois in California
Can anyone help me to make sense of the following
Extract of Register of Proclamations of Banns and
Marriages Parish of St Cuthbert's, Edinburgh,
Midlothian dated 10 May 1837 which I bought from Scots
At St Cuthberts or West Kirk in the County of
Edinburgh or Mid Lothian the eighteenth day of May
The which day Mr William Oliphant, Bookseller in
Edinburgh presented the Declaration of Marriage
betwixt Joshua Wilson and Mary Wood Bulley
underwritten requesting that the same might be
recorded in the Register of Marriages kept for the
Parish of St Cuthberts or West Kirk. Whereof the tenor
"At Edinburgh the tenth of May eighteen hundred and
thirty seven in the presence of Adam Black Esq Justice
of the Peace for the City of Edinburgh and of the
witnesses after named and designed Compeared
personally Joshua Wilson of No 12 Highbury Place
Islington London and Mary Wood Bulley of No 75
Faulkener Street Liverpool and severally declared that
they were husband and wife of each other having
previously and within the kingdom of Scotland accepted
each other as such___.
In testimony whereof they subscribed this declaration
in presence of me the said Justice of Peace before
these witnesses The Rev'd John Paterson D.D. The Rev'd
William Lindsay Alexander Edinburgh, The Rev'd John
Croumbie Brown of St Petersburg and Mr George Paterson
M D Edin. And Mr Thomas Bulley of Liverpool (signed)
Joshua Wilson Mary Wood Bulley A Black J P John
Paterson Witness W Lindsay Alexander Witness John
Croumbie Brown witness George Paterson witness Thomas
This is my first venture into Scottish research so I'm
not sure whether this is a common format for an entry
of marriage, the other 2 entries on the page seem
conventional marriages after the calling of banns. The
entry appears to me to be a record in the parish
registers following a civil ceremony before a JP, but
I wonder whether they in fact married in a
non-conformist church in the presence of a JP? Was
that legal at that time in Scotland?
Joshua Wilson, a barrister, was the son of another
Joshua Wilson a well known benefactor of the
Congregational Church in England and Mary Wood Bulley
was the daughter of Thomas Bulley a well to do
Liverpool Merchant also a Congregationalist. Both
fathers were witnesses so I think I can safely assume
that it was not a clandestine marriage but why did
they marry in Scotland? After their marriage they
lived in Islington, London.
Does anyone know whether the Ministers named were also
connected with the Congregational church or can advise
me how I can find out. I have the SOG publication My
Ancestors were Congregationalists but that gives no
guidance for finding out about the careers of
Ministers and I have come across several in my
I do hope someone can help me.
Do You Yahoo!?
Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites.
Anyone researching the FLOOD family with connections with Holywell and
Needingworth Huntingshire and Shoreditch London.
JONATHAN MILES WESTON FLOOD married CHARLOTTE HOWARD 1825 at St Bride Fleet
Their children were,
Below answer correct. My ex-husband is one. Attained ten years after
passing the final exams of the Institute and provided one is still
practicing as a Chartered Accountant and paying the yearly membership fees.
Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds.
GOONS Mem. No. 1757. Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock;
Mem. of Wells Assn. (GOONS Reg.); Other ONS: Moist.
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Amsden and/or Derby Stewart-Amsden <amsden(a)btinternet.com>
Sent: 25 May 2000 00:38
Subject: Re: [SOG] FCA?
> Jeanette Iredale wrote:
> > Could some-one please tell me what FCA means after a name, I think
> > that the CA stands for Chartered Accountant, in fact I am almost
> > certain. But what does the F signify? The gentleman in question is an
> > insolvency practitioner.
> Fellow of the Institute of Chartered Accountants
> Peter Amsden,
> Argyll, Scotland
> Researching Amsden World Wide
> Outline History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~amsden
> Amsden Forum: http://www.genforum.com/amsden
> Personal web site: http://www.btinternet.com/~amsden
Fellow of the Chartered Accountant Institute. Normally means a senior
member, sometimes an honorary position for distinguished service.
From: "Jeanette Iredale" <jiredale(a)modemss.brisnet.org.au>
Date: 24 May 2000 21:36
Subject: [SOG] FCA?
>Could some-one please tell me what FCA means after a name, I think
>that the CA stands for Chartered Accountant, in fact I am almost
>certain. But what does the F signify? The gentleman in question is an
>Brisbane Qld Australia
Could some-one please tell me what FCA means after a name, I think
that the CA stands for Chartered Accountant, in fact I am almost
certain. But what does the F signify? The gentleman in question is an
Brisbane Qld Australia
23 May 2000
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It is probably totally irrelevant but I notice in Webster's 3rd New
International Dictionary that one of the meanings of the abbreviation UD is
given as the Latin ut dictum (as directed). Could it be that the when this
appears in registers it indicates that there has been some uncertainty as to
what should be entered that has been resolved by referring the question up
for a direction?
I have seen this abbreviation on various certificates.
I think that it may mean simply that the event took place in the Urban
district of which the Registration District formed part..
Certainly the entries quoted for Masons Hill and Ridley Road would have
been in the Bromley Council area, and the UD is a simple way of saying the
the address was in the relevant Borough or Urban District.
I have no proof that my contention is correct, however.
I think people put "UD" in the same way as people used "Town" - when it was
taken to be too obvious where it was to need to put the place name. So The
Royal Infirmary UD would mean the local Royal Infirmary in the town in which
the Registrar was based.
What do others reckon?
Looking for Braisby and Hulland families wherever, whenever
From: Wilfred Gathercole <bill(a)wkgathercole.freeserve.co.uk>
To: SOG-UK-L(a)rootsweb.com <SOG-UK-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: 22 May 2000 19:52
Subject: Re: [SOG] U.D.
>Jeremy Wilkes is quite right, the incidence of UD is too
>varied to mean Urban District in all contexts. My father's
>death certificate has The Royal Infirmary UD. Other death
>certificates have RD, but more common is what looks like
>RSD. Are these some indication of domicile? Usual?
>I am sure I have seen UPD somewhere.
>If so, what does RSD indicate?
> Bill Gathercole, York
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Jeremy Wilkes <JeremyWilkes(a)compuserve.com>
>Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 9:13 PM
>Subject: [SOG] U.D.
>> Can anyone say
>> that "U.D" in register entries does in fact mean "urban district"?
>> Jeremy Wilkes
RSD means Rural Sanitary District; USD - Urban Sanitary District. They were
nineteenth century forms of local government designed to improve public
health in urban and rural areas. These districts were ultimately absorbed
into local councils. They appear certainly at the top of each page in the
Census Enumerator Books for the 1891 census (and possibly 1881 and 1871
censuses as well).
Whether this has bearing on the debate. Has anybody thought about asking
ONS what UD means?
----- Original Message -----
From: Wilfred Gathercole <bill(a)wkgathercole.freeserve.co.uk>
Sent: 22 May 2000 19:46
Subject: Re: [SOG] U.D.
> Jeremy Wilkes is quite right, the incidence of UD is too
> varied to mean Urban District in all contexts. My father's
> death certificate has The Royal Infirmary UD. Other death
> certificates have RD, but more common is what looks like
> RSD. Are these some indication of domicile? Usual?
> I am sure I have seen UPD somewhere.
> If so, what does RSD indicate?
> Bill Gathercole, York
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeremy Wilkes <JeremyWilkes(a)compuserve.com>
> To: <SOG-UK-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 9:13 PM
> Subject: [SOG] U.D.
> > Can anyone say
> > that "U.D" in register entries does in fact mean "urban district"?
> > Jeremy Wilkes
Jeremy Wilkes is quite right, the incidence of UD is too
varied to mean Urban District in all contexts. My father's
death certificate has The Royal Infirmary UD. Other death
certificates have RD, but more common is what looks like
RSD. Are these some indication of domicile? Usual?
I am sure I have seen UPD somewhere.
If so, what does RSD indicate?
Bill Gathercole, York
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeremy Wilkes <JeremyWilkes(a)compuserve.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 9:13 PM
Subject: [SOG] U.D.
> Can anyone say
> that "U.D" in register entries does in fact mean "urban district"?
> Jeremy Wilkes
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