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Thanks to all who have replied, both on and off list, and been so helpful.
I hope I have replied to everyone privately.
I now have some ideas about how to try to confirm that the Phillips family
was at the White Horse in Epsom, and about radio and newspapers. I have
purchased a new book from the SoG On-Line Bookshop which sounds helpful
("Basic Approach to Making Contact with Relatives" FFHS 1999). I had an
email from them this morning to say it was posted yesterday.
I feel a bit more confident about next Tuesday though I doubt we can find
these putative cousins. I feel a bit peeved with the lady who encouraged
this couple to think we could find what they want. She had just joined WAGS
that day and is a professional researcher. They asked her to do the
research but she said it would be very expensive. I kept trying to explain
the difficulties but they listened to her and now I have to deal with the
Thanks again from Diana in Perth WA
I am now working out how to transfer the data I have already
> entered into Access.>
Having all my data in Access, and having looked at Custodian, I
frankly can't imagine why anyone would WANT to change from one to the
other - though if Custodian has any means of importing data directly
its certainly possible.
In Access I can write any query I want to combine or sort the data in
any way I want. I can write program elements to tranform parts of
the data into different formats. I can create new tables to store
data of types I'd not envisaged in the first place, and I can modify
the tables I already have. I can also create reports in any format I
None of this flexability is available in Guardian as
far as I know: the formats are fixed, the means of sorting are fixed
and the reporting is fixed - why on earth change (except perhaps to
another RDBMS program like Delphi - for which there IS an arguement)!
>From the point of view of someone doing a one name study, with some
25000 events to keep track of currently, I *need* a program that
allows me to create a master index of all persons in all types of
events from MI's to census data and including marriage witnesses
along the way: while this is easy enough in any RDBMS its not in most
other programs. This facility alone has enable be to spot links that
I might well have missed otherwise.
I've not actually written an Access to GEDCOM
translator (because I've no real need for it), but its not hard to
do; but I have written utilities that will enable data to be
extracted from the 1881 census en masse into Access tables, likewise
for the 1851 CD and theVRI CDs. Thence they can be exported elswhere
if needed. Downloads from the IGI CD's can of course be loaded
directly into tables, and suitably "massaged" to fit into whatever
form one wants.
If you (or anyone else for that matter) are interested in this sort
of flexibility, then please mail me directly - I'm happy to discuss
what's possible and what I've already written.
Hugh Ainsley- the AINSLEY one name study
>>recto is front and verso is the back. <<
Recto is the Right hand page (the one woth the number).
Verso is the reVERSe
In fat, I think what Peter really wanted was someone to look up the entry
for him, not an explanation of what the characters meant!!
~~ Jeanne Bunting (nee Attersley) Ash Vale, Surrey, UK
On a 1930s Scottish marriage certificate the bridegroom gives his
address as "Lagos, Nigeria." His occupation was Bank Accountant. I'd
like to find out how long he'd been living there and whether they
went back there after the wedding.
I know that many India Office records are in the British Library,
but can anyone suggest where I might get hold of a 1920s-1930s
Kellys-type or expatriate directory for Lagos?
from Ann Cossar
I wonder if anybody can tell me anything about the State
Paper Office in Whitehall - what it was and did?
I have found a reference to a person who was shown at that
address in 1803 when he became a trustee of a marriage
If, as it sounds, it was a government office, are its
records - particularly if it had an official function with
regard to marriage settlements - still in existence
Thanks a lot!
I haven't really looked into the ages of the Volunteers but
i guess that they include young men from about sixteen, via those who had
families and didn't want to go away from home to those who were in their
sixties and again who wanted to stay near home.
As far as the Horsley and Tetbury Volunteers the earl of Berkeley was the
person in the county who was responsible for the Volunteers. I fisrt came
across the Volunteers when I came across the certificate, signed by the earl
of Berkeley, promoting John HESKINS to the position of lieutenant. There were
three companies in the Horsley and Tetbury corps, each consisting of up to a
hundred men. There was some coming and going between the Militia and the
There were ten companies in the South Gloucestershire Militia in 1782-3.and
they were stationed at Bath. In 1797 there were over 600 names and they were
stationed at Newport and in 1796 in Weymouth.
The Volunteers remained within their county but the Militia travelled
further. The South Gloucestershire Militia spent time in the Sussex
countryside marching about. In SAPril 1789 they were stationed in Newport,
in June in Chichester and in July at Horsham.. A HESKINS relative, a member
of the Militia, was married ( or had a baby baptised) in Brighton when
The Volunteers were decked out in some rather splendid uniforms. The Severn
Rifles and the Kings Stanley Volunteers wore bottle green jackets and
pantaloons with black velvet cuffs and collar, a black velvet stock and
helmeted cap with an upright blue feather, black leather cross belts and
pouch with horn powder flask, a short rifle and sword. The Loyal Stroud
Volunteers wore red jackets. Of course they lived in the area where the cloth
was made for uniforms for the British army which may be why they were in the
Volunteers rather than the militia, so that they could contine with the cloth
I hope that this helps. I guess that your man could well be a sixty year old
>In message <000001bec155$bc3196e0$557f8cd4@MSN/davegriggs>, David &
>Chris Griggs <davegriggs(a)email.msn.com> writes
>>Does anyone have any information about the above house please, "open to the
>>public, the owners, the history of the house and families who lived there,
>>location etc. Distant ancestors named CASTLEMAN I believe lived there in the
>>early 19th century.
>From my 1998 (sic) edition of Hudson's 'Historic Houses and Gardens'
this house is listed with many details.
Chettle House, Chettle, Blandford Forum, Dorset DT11 8DB
It is situated at OS Ref. ST952 132, 6 miles NE of Blandford NW of
It is a fine Queen Anne manor house designed by Thomas Archer with 5
acres of gardens including a new rose garden.
It has a plant centre and tearoom. No dogs. Grounds suitable for
In 1998 it was open April-Oct on Mon, Wed, Thur, Fri, Sun: 11am - 5pm.
Admission: 2 UKP adults, children under 16 years free.
The owner is Patrick Bourke Esq
It would, be best to telephone/fax them for this year's details:
Tel: 01258-830209 Fax: 01258-830380
John V Addis-Smith - Cross End House,Thurleigh, Bedford, England MK44 2EE
Tel: 01234 771327 (from inside the UK) +44 1234 771327 (from outside the UK)
In message <00a201bec26a$c60cc480$9e2f70c3@imzyausv>, David Bowring
>Does anyone know if it is possible to transfer data from Access to
>I am considering buying a copy
>but don't relish the prospect of re-entering the thousands
>of records I have in Access. Any advice would be appreciated.
Yes you can, with Custodian II, which comes with an excellent User's
The Smiths, who wrote the program, are very helpful and offer support
Letter PO Box 180, Hereford HR4 7YP,
Telephone 07801 503 144
Web sites (Newsletter page)
(Download for latest version & fixes)
Strangeways Prison, Manchester
a relative of mone was behind bars here in the 1930's. How can I check out his prison record? Advice much appreciated.
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Thanks for the info on Volunteers. You compare them to the Home
Guard - have you found the age range to be as large as that august body?
(One of those mentioned in the Plymtree, Devon, records would have been
Yes you can import from access, it has just been made easier with the latest
update. I had records in excel and had to convert to access to do the
I have been using Custodian for 2 months and found it useful especially for
a one name type study. If you have any questions ask and I will try to help
Keith and Libby Weblin
----- Original Message -----
From: David Bowring <dbowring(a)nildram.co.uk>
Sent: 29 June 1999 21:04
Subject: [SOG-UK-L] Microsoft Access & Custodian
> Some time ago (February) Roger Jones wrote:
> <Hi, have you considered trying 'Custodian' this was reported on in
> Family Tree Magazine
> (Feb). After seeing the article I purchased a copy of the software and
> wish I had done so
> before. I am now working out how to transfer the data I have already
> entered into Access.>
> Does anyone know if it is possible to transfer data from Access to
> I am considering buying a copy
> but don't relish the prospect of re-entering the thousands
> of records I have in Access. Any advice would be appreciated.
> Dave Bowring
Some time ago (February) Roger Jones wrote:
<Hi, have you considered trying 'Custodian' this was reported on in
Family Tree Magazine
(Feb). After seeing the article I purchased a copy of the software and
wish I had done so
before. I am now working out how to transfer the data I have already
entered into Access.>
Does anyone know if it is possible to transfer data from Access to
I am considering buying a copy
but don't relish the prospect of re-entering the thousands
of records I have in Access. Any advice would be appreciated.
the Volunteers are separate from the Militia.
The Volunteers were a sort of Home Guard brought into existence towards the
latter part of the eighteenth century and disbanded in about 1813. Their
purpose was to defend the land against any invasion by Napoleon Bonaparte.
I am particularly interested in the Horsley and Tetbury Volunteers,
Gloucestershire, but have also investigated those in the Betchworth area of
Surrey. I found several relatives listed.
The Orders of the Day for the Horsley and Tetbury Volunteers for operations
in 1804, 1808 and 1813 were published in the Stroud Journal earlier this
century as a curiosity. The Volunteers spent time at Gloucester barracks and
at Chepstow for a couple of weeks in two of these accounts, rather like a
summer holiday, i imagine.
The Volunteers pay lists are at the PRO, Kew, in WO 13 and are well worth
investigating although they are rather dusty..........
They are a bit like a census for times just before they became the fashion.
From: Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen(a)computing-services.oxford.ac.uk>
To: SOG-UK-L(a)rootsweb.com <SOG-UK-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Monday, June 28, 1999 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SOG-UK-L] 1851 Census
>On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Peter Amsden or Derby Stewart-Amsden wrote:
>+ HO 107/1480 677V
>+ HO 107/1510 236R
> ^ .. recto or verso ... back or front to most
recto is front and
verso is the back.
Diana in Perth, WA asked about finding out the names of local newspapers so
that they can be approached in connection with finding lost relatives.
We have a set of books in our local reference library here in Launceston,
Tasmania called "Benn's Media", Volume 1 of which relates to the UK and is
subtitled " The Guide to UK Newspapers, Periodicals, TV, Radio and Other
Media" (Dewey ref 070 BEN). This book includes sections on national and
regional newspapers. The latter are listed by county and town and there are
town and county indexes. Although there would be no indication in this book
of whether genealogical queries are likely to be published, the book does
show whether the newspapers are of the local free variety - this is useful
as these papers are often more willing to publish requests of the type
Diana is enquiring about and are probably more widely read by locals, being
delivered to all households.
I should think Benn's Media would be fairly widely available in reference
libraries and would almost certainly be in the main library in Perth.
Aileen Pike in Tasmania, Australia
Does anyone have any knowledge of the "Receiver General" c.1800?
In my parish' Poor Books of this period, the Overseers paid a lawyer
"for an Order to draw the money from the Receiver General for the family of
..." In some cases the men were stated to be 'Volunteers' (presumably in
the Militia), but there are no such clues in other cases.
Any suggestions welcomed.
Tony Eames in Devon
My copy of the 1999 edition of "The Best Days out Ever!"
gives the following information:
Chettle, Blandford Forum, Dorset, DT11 8DB ( 6 miles NE of
Blandford Forum off A354)
This small country house was designed by Thomas Archer, and
is praised as a fine example of the English Baroque. Around
the house there are beautifully laid-out gardens. There is
an exhibition area and a vineyard.
Open 2 April - 3 Oct. Mon., Wed-Fri & Sun 11.00-17.00 Last
Adults £2.50, Children Free.
Hope this is helpful and that you have a good trip!
I noted Jeanne Bunting's comment regarding a special licence. As she says,
this is needed because the chapel is not a parish church (though I believe
that some of the locals tend to use it as if it were).
It differs somewhat from the case of the common licence that we find in our
researches authorising a marriage at a parish church.
You have a daunting task, that is likely to fail, but you have to try. If
you can find a ref in 1881 that will be a bonus, especially on the female
line, that will give an address for an 1891 census search, and if you are
really brave a 1901 request.
Most local authorities have web pages, and if you dig through 'recreation'
you may find libraries and a reference to local history libraries, most, but
not all have 'e' mail addresses, and they should have electorial roll lists,
which will cost you to have searched. They may be able to give you contacts
to Local History Groups.
Stratford has changed alot in the last 90years, WW2 etc, so the liklihood
the clients family have moved away. The contact brewery idea is good, they
do maintain records, I know from second hand knowledge.
The Greater London Records Office may be helpful, but I don't have an
BTelecom have an enquiry web page at www.bt.com/phonenetuk, but it does not
include 'X' directory entries, but does include addresses.
Best of luck
Geoff of South Wales