Please see comments below.
From: Wilma [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
I still can't find our 8th gr gf->
Nor can we!! Been searching all over for years!! :-) There is much confusion
about this, so I'm not surprised you're puzzled. Several researchers have
jumped to some wrong conclusions, led by Weygant who despite painstaking
efforts was misled by another researcher into believing that the John
Sackett who died in 1684 (and for whom we have an inventory of estate) was a
John Sackett who he assumed to have been Simon's brother. The John who died
1684 was the John S of New Haven who married Agnes Tinkham. I will be
posting this John Sackett's data on the website quite soon but, in the
meantime, I give at the end a draft of part of the entry I am working on.
Comments on your data
b 1598/1600 Bristol, Gloucester, England
d 3 Sep 1683 New Haven, New Haven, CT
md bef 1623 Bristol, Gloucester, England
Hannah Sarah 1) DENISON
know nothing more of her
The birth reference to Bristol is incorrect & arises because this was the
port from which the Lyon sailed. None of the early Sacketts originated
there. They were all from Thanet, Kent - the opposite side of the country.
Death 3 Sep 1684 (not 1683) is the date of death of the John who m. Agnes
Tinkham - not of this John's imagined father.
Same comment re Bristol on marriage data.
Thurmon has answered the point about the Denison confusion.
John was the s/o Thomas -1) SACKETT and his wife Martha STROWDE -
Their children were:
Simon, Johan, John, Martha, Sarah, Thomas, William, [our] John, Henry and
another list I have found for their children is this-
1. John b 1582 ** typo = Johan **
2. John b 1586
3. Martha b 1588
4. Sarah b 1591 md Richard MOCKETT
5. Thomas 1593
6. Simon sr 1595 emigrant along with his
brother John aboard the "Lyon"
7. William b 1598 d 1615
8. John b abt 1600 emigrant with his bro
Simon md Hannah Sarah DENISON
9. Henry b 1601 d 1665 never married
10 Elizabeth b 1604 md Nicholas STEPHENS
This list is correct except for 8. John. As far as we can figure the first
mentioned John (2) in the list (who WAS Simon's brother) married in Thanet,
Kent, had 9 children and lived to a ripe old age eventually dying in Thanet
in 1677. Clearly (assuming our work on this John is correct) there could not
have been another brother John.
John and his brother Simon came to NE aboard the 'LYON' John
Joseph sometimes -
This results from the Denison error.
See further explanation below. See also on the website the article "The
Sacketts of America and their origins" & a facsimile of the contentious
heading of the Inventory of John of New Haven can be found under "Wills" -
Hope this helps.
Sackett One-Name Study
John Sackett's origins
Despite extensive research, it has not yet proved possible to establish the
origins of John Sackett of New Haven. Weygant's conclusion that this John
was the son of another John, who would have been a brother of Simon the
colonist, has since been disproved. At least, Weygant's main evidence for
the existence of a senior John [that he survived John of New Haven who died
in 1684] has been disproved. The parentage of John of New Haven remains
unknown and, of course, his father may have been named John. Again, while it
is difficult to prove a negative, there is no evidence of a John Sackett
having accompanied Simon on his migration to the New World.
Weygant's main evidence was the 1684 inventory of the estate of John
Sackett. It would seem that Weygant did not, himself, have sight of this
document but, relying upon a report of it from the Hon. L B Sackett [#
4361], he stated in The Family Record, 1897 [p50], "That he [the alleged
elder John] outlived his son John, Jr. is made apparent by following extract
from a search of Probate office of New Haven, . . . . viz:"
"John Sackett, inventory of the estate of John Sackett, Junior, late of New
Haven, deceased, taken this 6th day of Oct. 1684."
Weygant took the first mentioned "John Sackett" in the above heading of the
inventory to refer to John Sackett Sr. as he states in his 1907 book [p14],
"On October 6 , he [the alleged elder John] filed an inventory of the
estate of "John Sackett, Jr.""
Further study of the inventory reveals that the first mentioned "John
Sackett" was indeed John Sackett, Sr. but that the second mentioned "John
Sackett" was also John Sackett, Sr. Thus, the two mentions are of the same
man, the first being merely an index entry, rather than an indication of who
filed the inventory. Our 'translation' of the text of the heading is:
"Jno Sackett Snr/ An inventory of the estate of Jno Sackett Senior late of
N=Haven deceased taken ^this Octobr 6th 1684."
Confirmatory evidence that the word in the inventory is Senior and not
Junior is obtained from the New Haven Vital Records 1649-1850 [p49]: "John
Sackett senior dyed 3 september 1684." Weygant did not record a death date
for John Sackett. However, he did have in his records a Sackett death on 3
Sep 1684 but wrongly attributed this to John's daughter, Martha (see above).
For some time prior to 1684 John Sackett of New Haven would have been
referred to as John Sackett Sr, his own son John, born 1653, being referred
to as John Sackett Jr. Indeed, in the records of town meetings held in
November and December 1682, there is reference to John Sackett Jr. There
can, thus, be no doubt that the John Sackett who died in 1684 was John
Sackett Sr., i.e. John Sackett of New Haven who married Agnes Tinkham.
Robert Anderson in The Great Migration Begins refers to Weygant's proposed
existence of an elder John Sackett who would be a brother of Simon, but
dismisses this with, "The proposed elder John seems to be an imaginary
construct, and there is no evidence of any relationship between the
immigrant Simon and John of New Haven."
Weygant relied, too, on the "family tradition" as told to him by his
father-in-law, that Simon with his brother, John, travelled on the Lyon in
company with Roger Williams. Whilst the further research described above
disagrees with Weygant's proposal for an elder John, it still leaves the
question of John's parentage unknown. His migration also remains unsolved.
Was he taken to New England as a boy by his parents, or by Simon? Or did he
go in the service of a Mrs Stolyon with whom he was involved in a court
action? Research continues to try to resolve this tantalising mystery.