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The primary source of Samuel Vanhook's captivity I believe comes from the
deposition he made in either Bourbon or Harrison Co., KY and being listed with
his son Samuel Jr. in Captain Gatliff's company up until the time the fort was
taken. Virginia commissioner records also indicate that Samuel Vanhook and
his son Samuel Jr. had enlisted in the British service (probably Butler's
Rangers) at Detroit as did many other of the captives.
Have you browsed the web site? http://ramsha1780.org/
There are records. Of course, every person or family had different stories.
Some came home, some died on the way, some stayed in Detroit or Canada or
with the Indians where they were taken. For instance, here is some of my
Conway family story:
Most of our family returned to Kentucky after 4 years. One boy was scalped
One of our girls was taken at age 6 and kept by the Indians for 9 years.
Stephen Ruddle was taken by the Shawnee and was with them for a couple decades.
Here is some Van Hook info: http://www.shawhan.com/vanhook.html
At 06:29 AM 2/22/2006 -0700, you wrote:
>What happened to the folks captured at Ruddles Station
>(documentarily)? Are there British records of them being held or
>exchanged? Are there American records of correspondence about them? (I'm
>looking for the Samuel Van Hooks)
Greetings to all:
There will be a Ramsha business meeting next Thursday, 11AM, Feb 16,
2006 at Bianche's Rest in Cynthiana. The purpose of the meeting will be to plan
for "Gathering 2006" which if all agree will be held on Saturday, June 24,
2006. We are in need of good ideas for the gathering, so come to the meeting
with some fresh ideas. This is an open meeting. Anyone and everyone is
cordially welcome to attend. Put on your thinking caps and plan to attend. Remember,
this is your organization.
Note: gentle reminder, dues for 2006 are past due. Many are behind in their
dues and our Treasurer tells me we are running low in our bank account. Your
immediate response is needed and will be greatly appreciated. It takes
somewhere around $300.00 to $350.00 just for the expenses of the Gathering (food &
Building rental,ETC). If you haven't joined us yet now is the time. Dues are
$15.00 per person or $20.00 family rate (husband & wife, etc) Make checks
payable to "Ruddell & Martin Stations" and send to:
Elizabeth C. Lee
618 Buckeye Hills Rd.
Falmouth, KY 41040
"The records of the War Department show that Captain Isaac Ruddell' was
released two years later in an exchange of prisoners and returned to the
colonies in October 1782. He was treated well while in captivity in Detroit
because of his association with the British officer in charge, due to the
fact that they were both members of the Masonic Fraternity."
I would look for a connection in North Carolina lodges also. The Duncans in
the Blandford Bute Lodge are not connected to Martin Station or Ruddell
Station Duncan family that we know - but may be cousins. The Joseph Duncan
on the list above may be one of the Joseph Duncans from Fauquier Co VA. He
could also be the Joseph Duncan who built the Duncan Tavern in Paris, which
was a known meeting place of early KY masons.
David Duncan Sengel (KY Mason)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [RUDDLESFORT] Re: RAMSHA Planning Meeting
> I am a Mason and can check it out. This would more than likely go back to
> the Grand Lodge of Virginia since KY lodges were not established till the
> George Washington and most of the Patriots were Masons and members of the
> Grand Lodge of Virginia. It is interesting. We could take the list of
> and check against Lodge records.
> Don Lee
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In a message dated 1/28/2006 1:06:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Tombstones are in the New Providence Cemetery,
Ursa, Adams County,, IL.
Rachel Highsmith Woods md. Stephen Ruddell in Lincoln Co.. Apr.6,1834.
She was the 4th wife of Rev. Stephen Ruddell who at age 12 (acc.to
tribute stone ) was captured by Indians Rev. War when Ruddell's
Station, Ky. was attacked by the British under Capt. Bird. Had all
"white blood" washed out and was made a warrior He married a squaw.and
returned to Ky. after the treaty. Ordained a minister of the Gospel
1810. Founded the Ursa Christian Church .Other wives Catherine Kingery
1797, Susan David 1809 Rachel Nightsmith 1834 .
Front of the double stone shown here states:
To God's Glory
Susan David Rev. Stephen
1780-1831 1768- 1845
Both Are Buried on Family Farm
73 Yrs. 9 Mos and 5 Dys.
( not totally sure of the age ..jg)
Stephen Ruddell Organized the Ramsey Creek Baptist Church in Pike Co.
1817. Later he came to Burr Oak a little west of what is today, the
town of Foley, Mo. Lincoln Co. and started the First Church of Christ of
Lincoln County on the Banks of Sandy Creek., now known as Corinth
Christian Church . It was started in the home of Mr. & Mrs. Francis
Riffle. She was the Susannah McHugh Riffle , the sister of the three
McHugh boys; James, William and Jessie who were massacred by Black
Hawk and his warriors in 1803 near Sandy Creek.
After leaving Lincoln County, Stephen went to Il. and stated the Ursa
Christian Church in 1833.
In a message dated 2/11/2006 3:09:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Be aware that there was a journal that one of the MAHAN sons
kept of the travels to Fort Detroit, no family that I have heard from
knows what happened to it. So it also might show up at this late
date also. Keep eyes out for it also.
I am a Mason and can check it out. This would more than likely go back to
the Grand Lodge of Virginia since KY lodges were not established till the 1790s.
George Washington and most of the Patriots were Masons and members of the
Grand Lodge of Virginia. It is interesting. We could take the list of Captives
and check against Lodge records.
There should be a way to Check out if any men at the fort were Masons. Could
be Grand Lodge of Virginia or any of the Grand Lodges of the Colonies. I
nee to find out what the names were that were written in the Margins.
She didn't put it on Ebay I think her daughter or husband did and she took
it off when she found out about. She is going to join Ramsha. I will find out
more about it. They want to come for the Gathering and camp at the Horse Park.
They have a Travel Trailer. This book could have belonged to Isaac Ruddell.
If I am not mistaken he may have been a Mason. Of course there could have
been several Masons at The Fort.
I just got off the phone with a Christine Zimmerman from Gary, In. She has a
book that she believes was at Ruddell Station when it was attacked. The book
is "History of Masonry" by Jonathan Scott, published in England in 1754. She
says there are names in the margins and on one page is a notation "English
and Indians came up Licking Creek June 22, 1780 to The fort and tok u..." and
trails off and is unreadable. She is going to furnish pictures of the book
and send. She says the book is so fragile is hates to touch it. This book was
handed down thru her family for several generation. She placed the Book for
sale on Ebay but has since taken it off. She says one branch of the family
were Native Americans from Canada. One Cousin has the last name "Shawnee". She
wants to join the Organization. This sounds interesting and I will keep you
Jon & Bill:
What time would you want to meet on Thursday. I wanted to invite some others
and might not have time for this Thursday. We needy to invite others so we
will have more input. I also have a meeting in Lawrenceburg. In and a Cancer
Relay meeting this Thursday. Thursday Feb 16 might be better for me. What do