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I have a question for the Ruddell's Fort list. I hope someone can help.
In various on line lists of men who served under Ruddell at the Fort, there are listed an Andrew Baker and George Baker.
For some reason (possibly published in a KY book), some earlier researchers of my Baker line have decided that these Baker men were the brothers from our line, Rev. Andrew Baker b. 1749 and George Baker b. 1759. Both lived in the New River area of Wilkes/Ashe NC during the 1770's and 1780's.
Our Baker line's George left a very detailed Rev. War pension application and never mentioned serving under Isaac Ruddell or being anywhere in KY at any time, nor did he mention being held captive anywhere. (the pension is on line at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/1794/gbrevwar.html
Our Baker line's Rev. Andrew Baker is well accounted in the Wilkes/Ash records during the time of the massacre at the Forts and was not absent for any time in which he could have been in KY or captured.
1778. taxable estates in that part of Wilkes which became Ashe CountyCentral and southern part of New River Basin. BAKER, And, James, John, Morris, Robert NCGSJ, (Feb. 1984):18.
1779 ... Entered the 22nd of December
State Grant to ANDREW BAKER 100 acres
State of North Carolina No. 124
1780 Andrew Baker and James Baker witnesses for the will of Richard Burton ( Wilkes County, NC ) [ From Wilkes County Wills and Administrations ]
1781 Dec-1782 Jun. Will of Hugh Smith, Son-in-law, Morris BAKER, Execrs & Wits: James & Andrew BAKER.
1782. Wilkes Co. tax list. BAKER, Andrew, James, John, Morris, Ransom. Ratcliff, North Carolina Taxpayers, p. 8.
1782 Oct 23. Grant Andrew Baker.. 21 ac. along his former survey .. agreed line Morris Baker. A-1:337. Mrs. W. O. Absher, Wilkes County, N.C., Deed Book A-1, B-1, C-1, 1778-1803, (Easley, SC: Southern Historical Press, 1989), p. 23.
In a Draper letter 2 Baker girls were released after six years - it would seem whoever the two Baker men were at Ruddell's Fort, the captured Baker girls would have belonged to one of them - either Andrew or George. Neither our George nor our Andrew in Wilkes/Ashe seems to have had a daughter missing for six years.
Draper Manuscript Collection
Finney, Major Walter. Fort Finney. Letter to Gen. George Rogers Clark, Falls
of Ohio. Is sending to The Falls three prisoners, Mrs. Katrine Leonard and
girls by the name of Baker and Leedle, who were taken at Ruddle's Station
about six years ago. June 12, 1786.
I read somewhere that before KY, Isaac Ruddell was in the Washington District. Part of the Washington District, along with part of Surry Co. NC went to make up Wilkes Co. NC. I was wondering if perhaps Andrew Baker could have served under Ruddell before Ruddell went to KY? However, it seems the two Baker men were listed as being at the Fort - not in the Washington Dist., and Isaac Ruddell mentions nothing of the Washington Dist. in his pension application.
I would like to know what I'm missing since I notice a new monument on my ancestor's (1749 Andrew Baker) grave that says he served under Capt. Ruddell. I would appreciate any help. Perhaps someone knows something about these two Baker men or could recommend some books.
Ruddell & Martin Stations Historical Association
June 25, 2005
Hope to see you there.
I want to start the Ruddlesforter newsletter back up. If you have any ideas
please let me know. My plan is to put out the newsletter once a year and
after each reunion.
If I could get someone to take lots of pictures and write an article about
this year's reunion that would be great. The feature article will be the
reunion for the current year and then articles and records submitted by the
To make this happen I need the support of the association. So please send
in the stories of your ancestors and anything else you might think would be
good in the newsletter..
There is one set of records that I have been wanting to find at the Archives
of Canada. Capt. Henry Bird was court martialed for his treatment of the
prisoners, but acquitted. The depositions made of what went on during the
capture by various members of the British Army are on file. If anyone has
connections at this Library please let me know. I think it's in Montreal. Could
be some good information here.
Due to the Resignation of Martha Pelfrey as 2ND Vice President we had a
vacancy in the officer's ranks. Jon, Elizabeth and I conferred on this and
after prayerful consideration we selected Bill Overbey to be our temporary 2ND
Vice President and Recording Secretary. Bill has accepted and will serve
until our June 25TH Gathering. At that time we will accept nominations from the
nominating committee and a regular election will be held to fill the post.
You opinions and suggestions will be greatly appreciated so let's hear from
you. Bill's email is _whoverbey(a)hotmail.com_ (mailto:email@example.com)
While retrieving RAMSHA information from my burned out I came accross this
contribution by Jim Sellars in 1999.
Subj: More DePeyster/Bird Letters
Date: 7/5/99 9:07:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: _Jsellars3(a)AOL.com_ (mailto:Jsellars3@AOL.com) To:
Here are a few more letters from the British giving a little more insight
into the expedition against Ruddell's and Martin's Stations. There are a few
more letters from Bird which I don't have copies of which are dated I
in May of 1780. They are located in the Historical Collections of the
Michigan Pioneer and Historical Society. Do you have them Lois?
Historical Collections of the
Michigan Pioneer and Historical
Society, vol. 9.
De Peyster, Arent S.
Letter to Sinclair, March 12, 1780.
DETROIT the 8 March 1780.
I think it necessary to send the Express by Land, to acquaint your
with my having received a Letter, from Mons Louis Chevallier of St Joseph's
(brought by his son Aimable) acquainting me with the Rebels having totally
evacuated the Illinois country. Thirty Indians also arrived from the Omat,
and Post Vincent, in consequence of my Invitation, they are now on their way
back, having promised that the Rebels shall not recross the Wabash.
Lieut Caldwell of the King's Regt Capt McKee, Mr Elliot, the three Girtys, &
about fifty Indians, consisting of the principal chiefs of the Mingoes,
Shawnese & Delawares are also arrived, who reports that the Rebels failed in
their attempt to establish a Fort at Cooshocking, but that they had quite
surrounded the Indian Hunting ground of Kintuck, by having built small Forts
at two days journey from each other as will appear by the Indian Map of that
The Indians further say that the rebels intend to cross the ohio in the
spring, & build a fort at two days journey from their principal Village on
the Little Miami. They therefore require of their Father to fulfill the
promise made by former Commandants who assured him that when the Enemy
approach their Villages, Troops should be sent to their assistance, they
produced Lt. Governor Hamilton's Belt and other strings to this effect, as a
proof of their assertion, saying that it was now time to fulfill the
or they would be shortly under the disagreeable necessity of falling back
thereby become a burden to their father or else quit their ground & go to
The principal Chiefs of the Hurons. Pottawatamies, Chippawas, Ottawas,
Ouiattons, Miamis, Ouiats and the Pirorias, with the Keekapoos, being
in Council declared, that if I would send a few Soldiers, 'till a larger
could be spared, they would all rise & assist their elder brothers, and act
in conjunction in future for the good of the King's Service. I see the
necessity of sending some soldiers & I therefore propose to send one Capt.
one Lieut. & about fifty men with two small pieces of ordnance to help them
to knock down the Pickets of the first Fort.
To this party I shall add all the Indian officers and as many volunteers as
may offer from the Settlement- this may for a while keep up the spirits of
the Indians, 'till you Excellency's pleasure is further known.
Their route shall be up the Glise and down the Great Miamis to the Ohio. I
flatter myself that this early movement, if accompanied by the great number
of savages I expect, will facilitate Lt. Gov'r Sinclair's partys in their
enterprises down the Mississippi, divert the attention of many from Niagara
be of some use to B. Gen. Campbell, if he has not already taken New Orleans.
The Wabash Indians & some from Michilimakinac have promised to amuse Mr.
Clark at the falls. I wait 'till the mouth of the Miami is clear from ice to
send of this Party.
An Express is arrived from Michilimackinac, which I have the honour to
I am Sir, with great respect
Your Excellency's most humble & obed't Serv't
At. S. DE PEYSTER
To His Excellency the Comm'd in Chief.
endorsed:- A 1780. From Major De Peyster 8th March Rec'd 17th May By Express
[B 122 p 467]
Historical Collections of the Michigan Pioneer and Historical
Society, vol. 9.
De Peyster, Arent S.
Letter to Sinclair, March 12, 1780.
DETROIT 12th March 1780
I am favoured with your letters of 15th Feb'y. Missabogs arrived on the 7th
Inst. with Thebault. I have detained him whilst I could dispatch an express
to Niagara, in hopes also that my express might return from thence in time
send with him, but I have given over hopes therefore least Assin grow
impatient, I now dispatch your Courier.
If it was in my power to send or encourage Artificers to go to
Michilimackinac, I would readily do it, but I am at a loss for a number
sufficient to carry on the necessary works here. I have passed the word for
Cannon & ammunition & Capt. Grant has forwarded your letter to Lt. Col.
Bolton, and to the Commissioner without whose order, nothing more than a
supply of Pitch, Oakum & such trifles, for the repairing Batteaus, or the
vessels stationed at your Post, can be sent.
When I Commanded I was never able until the last year to obtain wherewith to
repair a Batteau, I wish you better luck.
I am sorry to hear that the Wiandot has not yet arrived at Michilimackinac,
should she still make her appearance, you will then have more than your
Proportion of Rum, but should she be lost on short notice you shall have
sent to you.
Your movements down the ------- shall be seconded from this place, by my
sending a part of the Garrison with some small Ordnance. All the Indian
officers, & as many volunteers as can be got, Joined by a very considerable
body of Indians.
Their Route shall be to the Ohio, which they shall cross & attack some of
Forts, which surround the Indian Hunting ground in Kentuck. I have had the
Wabash Indians here by invitation, they have promised to keep Clarke at the
Falls, about sixty of the Michilimackinac Indians have been here upon a
visit, some of them have engaged to join the Wabash Indians. It would be
therefore wrong in me to send any message to La Fourch. As I am convinced
will see more of them in the Spring than can possibly…… [the rest not
Extract of a letter from Capt. Bird to Major De Peyster dated Ottawa Village
first landing on the Glaize.
24th July 1780.
Grey arrived here this day, we have made out so far very well, having left
the Forks within a day's march of the Fort we took the first of July, and
with fourteen days hard working arrived at the Standing Stone, which is an
hundred and twenty miles against a very bad and rappid River. All the other
delays were occasioned, by the Transportation of the Artillery Stores &c.
which we have got to Monsr Lorimiers by going and returning with the few
horses Capt. Hare brought us.
The provisions we had were of infinite service - three days after we arrived
at Standing Stone our Provisions were out. His stock will serve us to the
entrance of the Miamis, where your goodness, Sir, has provided for us.
The Waters are so low they will not furnish sufficient for a Bark Canoe
within 50 miles of Monsr Lorimiers.
I have left Bombardiers Robinson, Crow & Gallougher, who stay Volunteers
the guns - until rains make the waters sufficient for their transportation,
there are two paragues here for them. Col. Clarke arrived within a day or so
of the time I marked for his certain arrival. Capt. Hinxon who made his
escape from us, had candour sufficient to tell Col. Clarke, he and the
Prisoners were treated in so different manner from what they expected, that
had not his Family been at the Falls, he would have preferred going with us
I have much news from the private conversation with the Prisoners, and other
means, respecting the situation of the country, their Force and manner of
making Levies &c. &c. many of the Prisoners would not take the oath to
Congress, I don't believe we have more than two Families really Rebels,
names McGuire and Mahon - the rest are composed of good Farmers with extreme
industrious Familes who are desirous of being settled in Detroit with some
Land. They fled, they say, from persecution, & declare if Government will
assist them to get them on foot as Farmers, they will, as Militia,
defend the country that affords them protection.
[B100, p 436]
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Ruddell & Martin Stations Historical Association
June 25, 2005
Greetings to all:
Recently I received a phone call from our 2ND Vice President Martha
Pelfrey who stated she would like to resign her position. I asked her not to
resign but she insisted she would be unable to do the work. Martha has been with
us from the very beginning and it is with great reluctance I must accept her
resignation. I wish it were otherwise.
This will leave us with a vacancy to fill. If you would like to fill
this position or know of someone who be able to fill the position please let us
know. It would be on a temporary basis until our next gathering at which time
we would nominate and elect a new 2ND Vice president by vote of the
membership. The position would require attendance at the gathering to act as a
greeter and to take any notes of the proceedings of any business sessions.
The Bylaws enacted on June 26, 2004, state the following about the
It shall be the duty of the Second Vice President/Recording Secretary to
assist the first Vice President at the annual meetings, greeting the Members
on arrival, providing name tags and maintaining a permanent registry of the
members present. It shall be his or her duty to record the minutes of any
meetings of the association and to provide a permanent record of those meetings
as needed. He or she shall assist the President with is duties and shall
assume the office of First Vice President in the event he is unable to serve or
is otherwise incapacitated or not available.
Give this some thought and let me know. Remember this is your
association, your officers are here to carry out your wishes.
May 3. 2005
Ruddell & Martin Stations