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Jim Sellers--if you're still there, this e-mail is for you. A researcher of
the Noel family contacted me about James Trabue's narrative of his escape
from Montreal. Following is the message:
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 09:47:46 -0400
Subject: Montreal Prisnoers
My gggg grandfather was Campbell Lefever, who is listed as a prisoner in
Montreal in 1780 along with your relatives. Why I am writing is about the
James Trabue escape story. My relative told the story that he too escaped
from prison in Montreal, and I believe he was captured along with Alex Noel.
Do you have a copy of the Draper Manuscript of this story, as in your
website you leave out a section concerning Noel's capture. Thank you for
Jim, if you can help this person, I'd appreciate it.
The following concerns one of Capt. Isaac Ruddell's brothers, Stephen
(1724). Stephen was my great, great, great grandfather.
George Washington Ruddell told Draper that he, George, landed at Isaac
Ruddells when he was 8 years old in the year 1798.
Isaac's brother Stephen (1724) Ruddell moved from Hardy County, W. VA
to Woodford County, KY in 1792 and he stayed there until he died.
Stephen had a grandson George by his son Cornelius, but Cornelius moved
to Woodford County with his father, and did not move from there until
1816 when he moved to Indiana. George Washington Ruddell was evidently
not a son of this Cornelius.
My records do not show a son George for Stephen (1724) Ruddell's son
Stephen also had a son James about whom very little is known. Stephen
mentioned James in his will, but although James was probably the oldest,
he was not an executor of the will. He may have been somewhere else at
the time of the will 1799. It was requested that Stephen's son, Stephen
Jr., by his 2nd marriage, should have the land Stephen owned when
Stephen Sr.'s wife died. The older children presumably had received
most of what their father wanted them to have. Perhaps this James was
the father of George Washington Ruddell. I do not know.
Stephen Jr. son of Stephen (1724) Ruddell, was not born until about
1783 so would not have been the father of George Washington Ruddell.
It would appear that unless James (the son of Stephen born 1725)
Ruddell was the father of George Washington Ruddell, we will have to
look elsewhere for George W. Ruddell's father.
Mary (Ruddell) Zollman
Micki, I kinda thought the connection was George Ruddle b. 1740 died 1805
was likely to be the Ruddell ancestor. In the Draper paper, he calls
Stephen by his name , not grandfather or etc. He does not mention George
1740-1805 at all. Any ideas gang ?
I have finially gotten moved and back on line. As you all can see with a new web address. Hope to hear from others working on the Mahan, Brackenridge, LaForce, and their "conexions".
Descendant of Patrick and Isabella Mahan and son Thomas Mahan.
This question came from off list with a request that it be answered onlist.
>Is there the possibility that there was more than one John Lail (Layle)?
>Would a check of the Bourbon County census for 1830 show anything?
Let me restate the question. Instead of; is there another John Lail who
existed in 1834 (there are two), the question should be; could there be
another John Lail who existed in 1834 who was at Ruddles Station in 1780
(there was not).
The other two 1834 extant John Lail's are born in 1801 and 1804, a son and
a cousin of the John Lail who was captured at Ruddles Station in 1780. I do
not see what either could have testified to.
With Best Regards
Hello folks! It's been a while. I'm still stuggling with one of my family
lines who were marched to Detroit. There is no mention of the John
Dulin/Doolin/Dowlin, etc. who married Mary Ford [Marie Faure, daughter of
Peter Ford/Faure who died at Martin Station]. We know her siblings made the
trek also and one stayed in Canada. Legend has it that John and Mary's
daughter Judith was born in Havre de Grace. The only placed named as such is
on Cheasapeake, MD. Specifically, I want to learn of the routes the families
took as they migrated back to KY and on to MO. My families show up in Ste.
Genevieve MO in late 1790s and are found on Plattin Creek area and then St.
Louis by 1815.
Also seeking correspondence with Seller descendents to match relationships to
my Kirkpatrick, Anderson, Cartmell, Phillips, Snodgrass, Award families of
the same area in Harrison Co KY surrounds and just across the Ohio River.
Judith Alef, Portland, OR
>Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 17:30:19 -0500
>From: Bob Francis <darby(a)nemr.net>
>Subject: [RUDDLESFORT] Re: Robert M. Daniel--Captive
>Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>> State of Kentucky, County of Bourbon
>> On this day personally appeared before me, William Barton, one of the
>> Justices of the Peace within and for the County of Bourbon aforesaid,
>> Robert M. Daniel, aged 74 years and John Layle (John Layle crossed out)
>> who being duly sworn according to law, on their (their crossed out)
>> his oath state they (they crossed out) he was living in Captain Isaac
>> Ruddle's Station when he was taken by the British and Indians on the 24th
>> day of June 1780 and was together with John Conway taken prisoner by them
>> and carried to Detroit, where the said Conway and himself were kept as
>> prisoners until the month of October 1782 when they were (they were crossed
>> out) he was liberated. Subscribed and sworn to on the 23rd day of April
>> Robert M. (X) Daniel.
>> As far as John Layle (name crossed out), who is mentioned above, my best
>> guess is that he was going to testify, the papers were all made out in
>> advance, but he
>> died before the April 23, 1834 court date.
This is very interesting. I am descended from John Lail (Layle) and he was not
dead in 1834. He in fact died in 1853. Johnny was an infant (2-4 years) when
captured and by 1782 would have been 4-6 so what could he testify to I wonder?
Its possible that this deposition happened during the period when he
moved to Mo to set up his youngest son on a farm of his own.
With Best Regards
While I am not going to the reunion this year, I believe the date is June
22. The location is the 4-H building a couple of miles south of Cynthiana
(approximate mileage). If you are coming from Cynthiana, the building sits
on the left hand side of the road. It has a sign that marks it as such. I
am not sure when the festivities begin; however, from my experience of a
couple of past reunions, you can figure 9:00 AM.
For Ruddlesforters receiving this mailing, please respond if I am incorrect
in my date, place, and time.
> From: JLeo479742(a)aol.com
> Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:25:25 EDT
> To: darby(a)nemr.net
> Subject: Ruddles Reunion
> Would you please tell me where the reunion and what date it will be held this
> year? Thank you, Mary
Could someone help Jimmy concerning the particulars of the Ruddell's fort
gathering this year? As some of you may know, I will not be able to attend
From: "Jimmy McConnell" <mcquack(a)bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 21:48:03 -0700
Subject: Ruddellsfort reunion
Hi. I am looking for info on the reunion. We have been interested in coming
the last couple of years but have yet to make it. We are planning to make
the trip this year, all 18 of us. If you could provide dates and any other
pertinent info,such as activities etc. I would greatly appreciate it. If we
can be of help in any way please let us know. Thanks for all
that you do.
P.S. My address is as follows ;
5460 Heardsville Rd.
Cumming GA 30040
Dear Bob Francis:
Let me say how thankful to you for all your worldly data.
My name is Bill Grimes and my grandmother was Mary Jane Conway
before she married Julius Grimes. My Great,Great,Great Great
grandfather was John Conway,Sr.Much discussion is made of the
prisoners taken to Detroit and in particular Elizabeth Bridgewater
and her 7 children.One of her children was John Conway,Jr. who
William Dodd Brown makes reference to. Additionally it is stated
later that a John Conoway might be John Conway when in fact it was.
John Conway,Sr was married to Elizabeth Bridgewater and too was one
of the prisoners.
Also much discussion was made relative to Joseph Conway the young
lad that was scalped.Joseph was not the son of Samuel Conway but in
fact was one of the 7 children of Eliz,&JohnConway,Sr.
I am once again Bill Grimes,living in Gardnerville,Nevada and my
E-Mail address is(billyandaudie(a)hotmail.com). I too would like to
join the theRuddlesfort discussion group. Thanks again.
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Thanks for the information on Robert Daniel. This must be the "Robert
McDaniel and family" on my captives list. Until now, we did not have a
confirmation of his captivity. This will definitely help researchers.
I will immediately place your e-mail message on the web site.
P. S.--by the way, are you familiar with our Ruddlesfort discussion group?
It is an e-mail forum whereby information is passed along much like what you
have shared with me. Let me know if you want to join our group (I am the
List Owner--its free) and I'll sign you up.
> From: William_Dodd_Brown(a)cch.com
> Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:10:17 -0500
> To: darby(a)nemr.net
> Subject: Robert M. Daniel--Captive
> Dear Bob Francis:
> First, let me say that I am KNOCKED OUT by your Ruddell's and Martin's Fort
> Page. What a great collection of information. I do a lot of surfing on the
> for frontier Kentucky pages, and everytime I get a good hit, it takes me to
> Just wanted to pass along a little information. I was reading the text of
> Conway's Revolutionary War pension application (your site has a link to this
> application), and I noticed that one of the witnesses, Robert M. Daniel, is
> on your list of captives. Here is Daniel's testimony:
> State of Kentucky, County of Bourbon
> On this day personally appeared before me, William Barton, one of the Justices
> of the Peace within and for the County of Bourbon aforesaid, Robert M. Daniel,
> aged 74 years and John Layle (John Layle crossed out) who being duly sworn
> according to law, on their (their crossed out) his oath state they (they
> out) he was living in Captain Isaac Ruddle's Station when he was taken by the
> British and Indians on the 24th day of June 1780 and was together with John
> Conway taken prisoner by them and carried to Detroit, where the said Conway
> himself were kept as prisoners until the month of October 1782 when they were
> (they were crossed out) he was liberated. Subscribed and sworn to on the 23rd
> day of April 1834. Robert M. (X) Daniel.
> As far as John Layle (name crossed out), who is mentioned above, my best guess
> is that he was going to testify, the papers were all made out in advance, but
> died before the April 23, 1834 court date.
> I hope that this e-mail, in some way, contributes to your project. Send
> if you have time.
> With respect,
> William Dodd Brown