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I think this letter (at the end of this e-mail) from the Draper papers may be
from the same George W. Ruddell you mentioned. He would be the grandson of
Isaac Ruddell's brother, but I'm not sure which brother. This George Ruddell
was born about 1790 according to his letter. The "Winchester's defeat"
mentioned was the Battle of River Raisin in Michigan January, 22, 1813. So
that would make 2 captivities for Abraham Ruddell. Abraham is also mentioned
in Elias Darnell's diary as an Indian interpretor for Wichester's army.
For the Conway descendants, I have located a copy of the Ripley's Believe it
or Not cartoon featuring Joseph Conway's three scalpings by the Indians. If
anyone wants a copy please let me know and I'll e-mail them out once I
receive it. The cartoon appeared in 1949.
8CC:24 - Letter of George W. Ruddell to Lyman C. Draper
Nicholas County, Ky, August 27th 1845
Mr. Draper Dear Sir,
After my best respects to you I have only to say I have bin sloe in answering
yours of the 12th of July last, requesting me to give you some information
about the birth, death, and life of Capt. Isaac Ruddell who ware taken
prisner and all his family at Ruddell Station and other partukulars, I am
glad that I was able to give you such information as well in able you to get
the hole history, I am a connection, Isaac was a brother to my grandfather, I
landed at Isaac Ruddell at 8 years old in the year 1798 as well as I can
recolect, then it was that Stephen and Abram Ruddell come home from the
indians the had been prisners for 17 years as I always understood and as
Stephen and Abraham Ruddell are yet a living and Stephen a preacher of the
gospel, and a man of considerable information and in reach of your letter
both found the way home by old antoney wane at the time he held his treaty at
greenville in the state of Ohio where Harrison held his with the Indians,
they both ware in the late war - Abraham was taken in Winchesters defeat and
Stephen was interpertor for the Shawnees, Tecumseh and the proffet ware there
adopted brothers, Stephen saved one half of the Shawnees from going with
Tecumseh; to join the British. Stephen lives in Adams county, on the
Mississippi river about 8 mills above yuncy, if the county is not devid or
changed in the state of Illinois and Abraham lives on white river Arkansas.
If you should not be fertunate enough to hear from Steph Ruddell who I think
will be able to give you a true history of all; you wish to no; I think Capt.
Hinkston was in the station at the time Byrd took it, Hinkston was a great
Indian warer and was taken prisner and some of his relatives live in or near
cynthiana, Harrison county, Ky; if you should fail as I stated wright back to
me I will get the history of all about them as I think I can get by a little
time and trouble yours and c.
While I welcome all of the new members, it is especially
great to see someone else from Bloomington, Indiana
(Dark Rain Thom) in the group!
> Greetings to all.
> Please make welcome to the Ruddell & Martin family the following new
> Margaret Sellers Harris who lives in Marion, Kansas. She descends from
> John Sellers. She likes our newsletters. Her Email is
> Lee Ann Riddoch who lives in Ridgecrest, CA. she is a Ruddell descendant,
> but needs help in making the linkup. Her Email address is
> Dark Rain Thom, who is a friend of the forts. She is the Water Panther
> Clan mother of the Shawnee Nation URB and the wife of author James Alexander
> Thom. She resides in Bloomington, IN. She will be attending Reunion 2000 with
> her husband. Her Email is: Clangeah(a)aol.com.
> Would you please send the new members an Email making them welcome.
> Don Lee
> Ruddell & Martin Stations
> Historical Association
Greetings to all:
Please make welcome the following new member to the family of Ruddell &
Martin Stations Historical Association:
Jackie Niemeyer, who resides in Turlock, OK. Her Email address is:
She states in her application, "Descended from George Goodnight and his
son Peter Goodnight who were at Ruddles Station Massacre."
Please extend her a cordial email welcome!
"Hope to see everyone at Reunion 2000, on Saturday, June 24, 2000.
Remember the attack on Ruddell Station took place on Saturday, June 24, 1780,
and this will be the 220th anniversary. Come and share a great time with us.
If you plan to attend please let me know so we will know how many to
Greetings to all:
Please make welcome Micki Burger to the Ruddell & Martin Stations
Historical Association Family. Micki resides in Tulsa, OK, and is a
descendant. Her Email address is: mickimouse(a)geotec.net. She says on her
application, " My gggfather was George W. Ruddell, b. 5 Sep 1790 in Virginia,
d. 2 Nov 1851 in Nicholas, CO, KY, uncertain of direct connection, but hoping
to make one." If anyone can help her with information please do so.
So let's everyone send her an Email welcome at -
I think key to being able to pull down the new report is patience. You must
wait for the whole page to finish loading before attempting to download the
new special edition.
Then after it loaded into Acorbat save in on your disk.
From: Jsellars3(a)aol.com <Jsellars3(a)aol.com>
To: RUDDLESFORT-L(a)rootsweb.com <RUDDLESFORT-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Sunday, April 23, 2000 6:04 AM
Subject: The Ruddlesforter is out
>The Special Edition of The Ruddlesforter is now on the web. Bob Francis has
>been burning the midnight oil preparing this excellent article of his
>ancestor Colonel John Hinkson. Enjoy.
I have learned that Mark Twain will attend Reunion 2000 on June 24. He is
Lewis Hankins a noted actor who has played the roll of Mark Twain on River
Boats on the Ohio River and many other places. He is well known and admired.
Lewis is coming as a friend of the forts. I asked if he could come dressed
as Twain. You will want to meet this man.
Things are sure looking good.
Greetings to all:
Please make welcome the following new member to the Ruddell & Martin
Stations Historical Association Family:
John S. Lee, from Aurora, IN, is the 5th Great Grandson of Samuel
VanHook, Sr., Hannah Higgins VanHook. John is a computer technician and he is
my son. You can meet him at Reunion 2000. Make him welcome at his email
Have just finished reading the Special Edition of the Ruddlesforter and
enjoyed it very much. It sure helps me to get a better view of the history
that led up to the capture of the Forts and the people envolved. Thanks so
much to Bob Francis and Jim Sellers.
You did a fantastic job on the biography on our common ancestor--John
Hinkson. Thank you for all of your work.
> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:19:20 -0700 (PDT)
> To: RUDDLESFORT-D(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: RUDDLESFORT-D Digest V00 #71
> The special edition of the Ruddlesforter featuring the biography of COL
> John Hinkson can be accessed at: http://www.shawhan.com/hinkson.PDF
Hey are ya still breathing? hehe We have been outside most of the time but it has been raining for 2 days.
Catch ya later
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My HomePage www.vci.net/~rebob
Greetings to all.
Please make welcome to the Ruddell & Martin family the following new
Margaret Sellers Harris who lives in Marion, Kansas. She descends from
John Sellers. She likes our newsletters. Her Email is
Lee Ann Riddoch who lives in Ridgecrest, CA. she is a Ruddell descendant,
but needs help in making the linkup. Her Email address is
Dark Rain Thom, who is a friend of the forts. She is the Water Panther
Clan mother of the Shawnee Nation URB and the wife of author James Alexander
Thom. She resides in Bloomington, IN. She will be attending Reunion 2000 with
her husband. Her Email is: Clangeah(a)aol.com.
Would you please send the new members an Email making them welcome.
Ruddell & Martin Stations
The Special Edition of The Ruddlesforter is now on the web. Bob Francis has
been burning the midnight oil preparing this excellent article of his
ancestor Colonel John Hinkson. Enjoy.
I thought this was interesting. The following statement comes from the
narrative of Benjamin Gilbert who was released about the same time as most of
the Ruddlesforters. The book has a very long account (90 pages) of their
captivity with the Indians and at Montreal. Unfortunately none of our
captives are mentioned. They were captured in Pennsylvania in 1780. The
family was released in Aug of 1782 with two of the Ruddell's Station captives
William McMullen and Mrs. Fisher. About a month later the others were sent
via this same route. The Gilberts and Pearts were released together and were
included in the prisoner lists sent in by Lois Wark. This provides us with a
small look at their trip to freedom.
Loudon, Archibald, Loudon's Indian Narratives, Carlisle, PA, 1808, reprint,
Wennawods Publishing, Baltimore, 1996, p.152.
"After some time spent in inquiring after their relatives and friends, and
conversing on the once unthought of and strange scenes of life they had
passed through since their seperation, it became necessary to prepare for
their journey homewards, which was accordingly done, and in about five weeks
from the time of Benjamin's arrival, they took leave of their friends and
acquaintances they made during their residense there; whose hospitable and
kind treatment, merits their greatful and sincere acknowledgements, and most
ardent desires for their welfare in every scene. And on the twenty second day
of the eighth month, 1782, attended by a great number of the inhabitants,
they embarked in boats prepared for them, and took their departure. Having
crossed the river, and carriages being provided, they proceeded on their
journey without much delay, until they came to St. John's, where they went on
board a sloop; but the winds being unfavorable, rendered their passage in the
lake somewhat tedious.
They did not arrive at Crown-Point, until about two weeks after their
departure from Montreal. They continued here several days, and from thence
went in open boats to East-Bay in about two days, where they landed and staid
all night, and were next day delivered up to the officers of Vermont."
The rest of the story just talks about the people all going their seperate
ways. It doesn't mention any of our captives. But many of them were there
Recently I was a speaker at a meeting of the Northwest Longhunters
association in Cincinnati, OH. I gave them the message of Ruddell & Martin
Stations. I spoke for about 30 minutes and they were so enthusiastic the
questions went on for more than and hour. Many of their members plan to
attend our reunion 2000 on June 24. They will be dressed in Colonial Costume
for the 1780s. I was shown pictures of how they dress for their activities.
Very much like the people of the forts would have dressed. It should be
great. Don't forget your cameras.
I will be visiting Kentucky in May and am interested in visiting Martin's
Station where my Gatliff family was located during the raid in the late
1700s. Can anyone help with exact directions, etc.?
Becky in AZ
"Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you may STILL exist,
but you have ceased to LIVE" ~Mark Twain
Just writing to give everyone an update on the next two issues of the
Ruddlesforter. Hopefully by this weekend I will have the PDF version of a
special edition dedicated to Colonel John Hinkson, written by Bob Francis, on
the website. He has written a superb bio on his ancestor.
The spring issue will be out by the end of May and should have some great
articles. As a preview the spring issue will have a map of the march of the
Dunkin family from Elk Garden to Ruddell's and Martin's Stations to Detroit,
Montreal and the return trip home. Its a great map. Duane Wilson's detailed
narrative of the ancestors and descendants of James Ruddell will be featured.
An article about Chief Logan by Ronald Wenning, owner of Wennawoods
publishing will be featured and story of the Shawnee Indians by George
Bluejacket, son of Chief Bluejacket is included.
Margaret Bates is sending me some 1903 and 1912 letters by Henry Ogle, a
descendant of John Conway, which gives a detailed account of the Conway
family and includes many stories of their capture at Ruddell's station. She
is also sending some early newspaper articles which chronicle the lives of
the early Conways. The Samuel Conway bible may also be included which lists
John Conway Sr.'s children. Should be some interesting reading. William Baker
is also preparing an article on his ancestor, Elizabeth Pursley Rupert, who
was captured at Ruddells. I will try to include some details on the upcoming
reunion to give everyone a good idea of what is in store. So, the next
Ruddlesforter looks to be a great issue thanks to the many people in our
association who have graciously donated their time to write these outstanding
articles. Please send in more articles and records for future issues.
I recently bought a comic book about Simon Girty's life and have temporarily
put one of the pages on the net which talks about the Ruddell's Station
capture. Its kind of interesting. You can see it at:
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On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:39:17 -0400 "Wark, Lois" <lwark(a)phillynews.com>
> For the benefit of new members, it would be nice if someone smarter
> about computer technology than me post instructions on how to access
> archived messages from this list. A huge amount of information has
> posted in the past year and a half, in addition to what is on the
> maintained by Bob Francis, Jon Haggee and Jim Sellars' Ruddlesforter
> newsletter site.
> From time to time, I have accessed these archived messages, looking
> for specific information. Is there a way that you can call up the
> archive of this list and scan through the messages? Can someone
> tell us how to do that?
> I join my colleagues in welcoming the new members and look forward
> to exchanging research nuggets.
> Lois Sutherland Wark
> in Philadelphia
> Descendant of Agnes LaForce
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hdlee9936(a)aol.com [SMTP:Hdlee9936@aol.com]
> > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 4:21 PM
> > To: RUDDLESFORT-l(a)rootsweb.com; vanhook-L(a)rootsweb.com;
> > moallgyl(a)theofficenet.com; laforce(a)datasync.com;
> > dsilver52(a)msn.com; rana(a)voyager.net
> > Subject: (no subject)
> > Greetings to all:
> > Please make welcome the following new members to Family of
> Ruddell &
> > Martin Stations Historical Association.
> > Edward Stanford, Email edstan4d(a)aol.com, Ed lives in Silver
> > Maryland. He is a descendant of Elizabeth Alexander Dunkin the
> mother of
> > Capt John Dunkin, thru his Daughter Mary Jane Dunkin who married
> > Laughlin.
> > Kelle & Kathryn VanHook, Email moallgyl(a)theofficenet.com,
> who live
> > in Hunters, W.Va., and are descendants of Samuel VanHook and
> > Higgins thru their son Benjamin who was also taken captive.
> > Louise Roberson, Email laforce(a)datasync.com, who lives in Bay
> > Louis, MS, and is a descendant of Solomon Litton, Martha Duncan
> > Agnes La Force.
> > Everett La Force, Email rperry50(a)aol.com, Everett lives in
> > Savannah, TN and is a descendant of Solomon Litton, Martha Duncan
> > Agnes La force. He was referred to membership by Louise Roberson
> > John Riddle, Email jriddle(a)northwest.com, John lives in
> > OR, and is a direct descendant of Samuel VanHook.
> > Deborah Silver, Email dsilver52(a)msn.com, her GGGGrandfather
> > was George Lail. she was referred for membership by Betty Wills &
> > Robert Jones
> > Cynthia Ranucci, Email rana(a)voyager.net, she is a descendant
> > Agnes La force who was a Fort Captive with her five children.
> > Please join me in sending these new members an Email welcome to
> > family.
> > Don Lee,
> > President