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Can someone tell me the date and exact location of the Ruddles 2000 Reunion?
I want to do up a map and plan for one of my vacation weeks from work to
attend. Are details about it posted to website, or could they be? Thanks.
If you're listening, I got your letter and the photograph of Sophia Rupert
Pursley, thank you. Viola Abraham gave me a photo of Sophia when she is
youger, do you have that one? I don't have your email address, could you
send it? It's easier to reply via email for me, I'm allergic to stamps:) I
am working on a reply to you. Are you sure about the BP for Jacob Pursley? I
think, if I have time to compose a thought out reply, that I can direct you
to possible research material.
William Baker mailto:email@example.com
Welcome to the RAMSHA descentents group. If you have any question you
can be sure some one of us (or more) will be here to help you. And pay
attention to what you read here about out Reunion 2000. This will be the
annual reunion. Last year we had a very group and it was truly an
weekend. With what is being planned for this year it promises to be even
Again, welcome and jump any time you have a need or desire.....Lois
Does anyone have any in depth information on Elizabeth Alexander who married
James Dunkin about 1730 , probably in Ireland? They migrated soon after
that, to the colonies and ended up in Lancaster Co., PA. I've got some
general stories, but would like to know where to find some documentation on
her and James.
Jean Hubbs Shay
Please make welcome Linda Peper to Ruddell & Martin Station Historical
Association. She hails from Girard, IL and her Email address is:
Due to an oversight Linda was not acknowledged at the time she joined, so let
us welcome her now. She is a Foree, Faure family descendant.
Don't forget our membership drive in April. You could win the autographed
copy of James Alexander Thom's book "Panther in the Sky." The winner will be
the one who recruits the most new members during the month of April.
Sorry I am late answering you, but I just got back from a vacation I took
to help recoup from a fall off my roof and an operation to remove a cancer. I
am feeling fine now, or should I say I am feeling better. The Doctors say
they got it all.
The correct Email address for Kelly Whittaker is
as you can see we left out and "e" just before the @.
try it again and let me know.
So many people have written asking questions about the Kentucky book I
mentioned on the list yesterday. Cousin Toni had this in her saved ail and
was kind enough to send it to me. Rather than send it to each one
individually, I'm posting it to the list.
If you r question isn't answered in this information her address is below.
She does say though she won't do look-ups......Lois
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandi Gorin <sgorin(a)glasgow-ky.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 12:32 PM
Subject: For your information
> An extra post if you will allow. Subbers on my other lists already know
> about this, so thought I would go ahead and tell you too ... if you're on
> KYRESEARCH or SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY, you may delete now.
> As many of you know, I am a publisher of genealogical/historical books -
> which has no connection to this list at all - I never make a point of
> trying to sell something. Those who have been on the list for many yrs
> vouch that I've never plugged a book. BUT - this one I think many some of
> you might be interested in. There is NO obligation at all, ever, in any
> For the past 4 yrs or so, I have been publishing researching tips for KY.
> After being asked by so many, I have just finished Volume 1 in book form.
> Many major libraries have been saving my tips over the years for the use
> their patrons and readers have asked me to put this in book form. I have
> organized the first volume of possibly 2 or 3. The book is 220 pages long
> with almost 6,600 names in the fullname index. It, like all my books, is
> soft spiral bound.
> Chapters include:
> Chapter 1: Kentucky - the State. How Kentucky evolved from Virginia
> Chapter 2: County Formations. When formed, of what county, named for, info
> on county seat, some early citizens and events.
> Chapter 3: Old Forts, Stations and Settlements: When founded, location,
> published residents, what happened there if known.
> Chapter 4: Old Trails, Traces, Paths and Roads. How did our ancestors get
> into KY and leave. Location.
> Chapter 5: Rev. War Soldier's Pension Applications. Showns name, rank,
> where served, when applied, age at application, amount paid, death date if
> known. All counties shown - several didn't have any if formed too late for
> any living soldier to reside there.Taken from the oldest records out of VA
> and KY.
> Chapter 6: Kentucky Time Line 1745-1874. Wars, duels, feuds, strange
> weather, murders, birth or death of famous KYians or citizens with unusual
> circumstances, explorations, etc.
> Chapter 7: How KY Acquired its Land: Walker Line, Tellico Grants, Loyal
> Land Company, Treaty of Paris, Treaty of Fort Stanwix, Treaty of Sycamore
> Shoals, Lord Dunmore's War, Treaty of Camp Charlotte, Jackson Purchase. A
> brief recap of all.
> Chapter 8: Kentucky's Newer Forts, KY Militia, Sons of Confederate
> Veterans, Galvanized Yankees.
> Chapter 9: Abbreviations, Definitions & Terminology. Medical, legal, food,
> equipment, occupations.
> The book is available and sells for $28.00 which includes shipping and
> handling, with KY residents 6% tax to be added.
> Thanks for letting me tell you about the book - if you have questions,
> write me privately. With this large an index, I am not doing look-ups - it
> covers the whole state. Sandi
> Col. Sandi Gorin, 205 Clements,Glasgow, KY 42141
> (270) 651-9114 - E-fax (707)222-1210 - e-mail: sgorin(a)glasgow-ky.com
> Member: Glasgow-Barren Co Chamber of Commerce
> Publishing: http://members.delphi.com/gorin1/index.html
> Barren Co: http://www.rootsweb.com/~kybarren/
> TIPS: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ky/Tips
> KYBIOS: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ky/Bios
> ARCHIVES: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl
Yes, Gorin's work is of the *highest* quality.
On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:47:40 EST Sharp2tono(a)aol.com writes:
> Afternoon All...
> This came on the KYKNOX list. I know some of you have mentioned KY
> ancestors. I'll be getting this one, but thought I'd send it for
> those that
> may be interested.......Lois
> Subject: [KYKNOX] NEW BOOK OUT FOR KENTUCKY RESEARCHERS - Valuable
> For any one researching in Kentucky, Sandi Gorin, a Kentucky
> Colonel and
> well-known genealogist, has just published a new book called:
> GUIDE FOR KENTUCKY RESEARCHING VOLUME 1:
> A Handbook of Information for the Kentucky Researcher
> The book is $28.00 and is a wealth of information that would be
> valuable to
> anyone researching anywhere in Kentucky. I just received my copy
> that I
> purchased from her, and cannot wait for the other volumes to be
> You can order by sending a check or money order to:
> GORIN GENEALOGICAL PUBLISHING
> Sandra K. Gorin, Owner (Kentucky Colonel)
> 205 Clements Avenue
> Glasgow, KY 42141-3409
> Including index, there is 220 pages
> Vol. 1 has information on Kentucky - the state, county formations,
> forts, stations and settlements and recorded residents, old trails,
> paths and roads, Revolutionary War Soldier's Pension Applications, a
> Kentucky Time Line (1745 - 1874), how Kentucky acquired land, the
> line, Tellico lands, Loyal Land Company, Treaty of Paris
> Proclamation 1763,
> Treaty of Fort Stanwix, Treaty of Sycamore Shoals, Lord Dunmore's
> Treaty of Camp Charlotte, the Jackson Purchase, Kentucky forts -
> newer, the
> Kentucky Militia, Sons of Confederate Veterans, and more, as well as
> abbreviations, definitions & terminology, and an index.
> I personally have nothing to profit from telling you about this
> book. I
> just think that many of you will want to purchase it. It is a
> valuable tool
> for the Kentucky researcher.
> I recognized many names in this book. If your ancestors were in
> early, you will want to check this book.
This came on the KYKNOX list. I know some of you have mentioned KY
ancestors. I'll be getting this one, but thought I'd send it for those that
may be interested.......Lois
Subject: [KYKNOX] NEW BOOK OUT FOR KENTUCKY RESEARCHERS - Valuable Tool!!!
For any one researching in Kentucky, Sandi Gorin, a Kentucky Colonel and
well-known genealogist, has just published a new book called:
GUIDE FOR KENTUCKY RESEARCHING VOLUME 1:
A Handbook of Information for the Kentucky Researcher
The book is $28.00 and is a wealth of information that would be valuable to
anyone researching anywhere in Kentucky. I just received my copy that I
purchased from her, and cannot wait for the other volumes to be published.
You can order by sending a check or money order to:
GORIN GENEALOGICAL PUBLISHING
Sandra K. Gorin, Owner (Kentucky Colonel)
205 Clements Avenue
Glasgow, KY 42141-3409
Including index, there is 220 pages
Vol. 1 has information on Kentucky - the state, county formations, old
forts, stations and settlements and recorded residents, old trails, traces,
paths and roads, Revolutionary War Soldier's Pension Applications, a
Kentucky Time Line (1745 - 1874), how Kentucky acquired land, the Walker
line, Tellico lands, Loyal Land Company, Treaty of Paris Proclamation 1763,
Treaty of Fort Stanwix, Treaty of Sycamore Shoals, Lord Dunmore's War,
Treaty of Camp Charlotte, the Jackson Purchase, Kentucky forts - newer, the
Kentucky Militia, Sons of Confederate Veterans, and more, as well as
abbreviations, definitions & terminology, and an index.
I personally have nothing to profit from telling you about this book. I
just think that many of you will want to purchase it. It is a valuable tool
for the Kentucky researcher.
I recognized many names in this book. If your ancestors were in Kentucky
early, you will want to check this book.
I don't want to turn this into the 2nd Ruddell board so this is my last post
on this to the Fort board -- but I'm keeping in open mind on John's origin --
although Smutz/Barb/Harman have done some fantastic research for us already.
Once the LDS made IGI available online I started looking up every Ruddell I
could find - the Simon at Bishop's Canning line uses a lot of male names that
don't show up in John's descendants - Simon particularly, and Richard and
As I have studied more basic genealogy, the naming patterns in the early
1700's were pretty consistant and with John having an Archibald among his
sons and, assuming that the Cornelius comes from Mary's father, I think we
are looking for John's ancestors with Archibald, Stephen, Isaac and James
re-occuring. I have found more of these names in the Scottish Riddells than
among the Bishops Canning families, and there are Isaacs and Abrahams in the
Gloucester Rudhalls -- too many tantalizing leads!
While we are looking into the English ancestry of JOHN RUDDELL, here are
a few bits of information I have copied down over the years:
A ticket was granted Robert Rudal for departure "off this Barbados
Island" 15 Aug. 1679 in the Ship JOHN AND HENRY for "Bristoll." If
indeed this was the same Robert (merchant of London-see page 4 of Dr.
Smutz) he was then a young man and perhaps, just beginning to develop
his Colonial interests. There is nothing to indicate when or how he
came to Barbados, where he came from, or whether he had visited the
Dr. Barb found a photocopy which is in the Appendix of Dr. Smutz book.
It is a Cecil County, MD deed, Bk. 1 p. 316, from a Robert Ruddell,
merchant of London, giving power of Attorney to one Samuel Richardson,
also a merchant of London, dated 20 Mar. 1703. Barb, p. 4, speculated
that this Robert might have had interests in Cecil County, that John 1st
was a kinsman--his son, perhaps--and that Robert ultimately came to
America to look after those interests. SEE DR. SMUTZ BOOK PAGE 4
The Virginia Historical Magazine (Virginia Gleanings in England) states:
"EDWARD PERRIN, City of Bristol, Merchant, Will 8 June 1702 proved 23
December 1709. To be buried near my last wife in the Quaker's burial
ground. Sole executor: son Thomas Perrin, to whom I give all my land
in Virginia, Maryland, Pennsilvania, or elsewhere in America, also the
house Isaac Noble lives in in Castle Street in Bristol, and another in
Castle Street where William Nicholas lives, he to pay my two daughters
Susanna and Anne Perrin 300 pounds each when 21 or married. To my three
younger children, Edward, Susanna, and Anne, my messuage in which I now
live. To son Edward two messuages in Broadmead, St. James Parish,
adjoining the house of widow Skinner, both now in possession of Widow
Evans and John Baker, and three messuages in Chapell Street in St.
Philip and Jacob in possession of Robert Rookes, and my silver whatch
when of age. Overseers: Robert Ruddle, my brother-in-law, and
Cornelius Sarjant of Bristol, sopemaker, and Benjamin Morse, Hosier.
Witnesses: Sam'l Fox, Thos. Hayne, John Brinsden.
(Possibly ancestor of the Perrins of Gloucester county, Virginia. The
births of several children of Thomas and Elizabeth Perrin appear in the
register of Abingdon parish, Gloucester, between 1686 and 1702. See
WILLIAM AND MARY QUARTERLY, V, 174)"
(JOHN RUDDELL is known to have attended quaker meetings while courting
Mary (Cook) who later became his wife.) Mary (Ruddell) Zollman
Barbara - pleeeeeeez share anything you find - I sent a mess of e-mails out a
couple of months ago to every Riddell link I could find and couldn't get any
verification of the tie to Rev. Archibald Riddell. I did find the Rev. on a
ship's list verifying that he came to Perth Amboy at the right time but
couldn't verify names/dates of his children.
I have always felt that since several of John's descendants referred to the
family as "Scots-Irish" that the English origin was doubtful and would love
to really figure out where John's ancestors came from.
Oregon City OR
Good work! I am currently working on my Riddell line in Ky. I have Jacob
Riddell b. ca 1787 NJ and his sister Katherine b. 1790. They were both in
Shelby and Henry Cos. Ky. They moved to Jennings Co.IN around 1819. Please
keep us informed!
I am in the process of reading Scottish church records & Service of Heirs
index. I have concentrated on the village of Kippen, Stirlingshire,
Scotland. Yesterday, to my surprise, I ran across some Riddells. Didn't
make note at the time because I'm concentrating on another line. Last night
I was going thru some old e-mails and ran across one written by Ann - e-mail,
ANN-GARY(a)prodizy.net - written 29 Aug 1999. She found info tracing a line of
Ruddell's back to William the Conqueror. She shows the father of John
Ruddell, b. c.1696, of VA was Walter Riddell of Kippen, Stirlingshire,
Scotland. I almost fell off my chair! Walter's father, Rev. Archibald
Riddell (1635-1708) of Kippen, exiled to Perth Amboy, NJ and later returned
to Scotland in his old age.
I find this all very intriging and will try to go back to the Family History
Center in the next few weeks to re-read the films on Scotland.
My Ruddell line is - John > George Sr. > George Jr. b. abt 1767 > Diana
Ruddell who married George Mock in Ruddles Mills, KY.
I am researching the Daugherty/Dougherty family which was at Ruddles Station. Elizabeth Conway (daughter of John and Elizabeth Bridgewater Conway) married a Daugherty. I am trying to ascertain if this man's name was John or William - or, perhaps, John William. I have read reports written long after the attack which indicate his name was William or William M. However, the list of prisoners from the Halderman papers (which appears at www.shawhan.com/prisoners.html) identifies a "Jno Dougherty, Eliz Dougherty, and Jesse Dougherty" only. Any information would be welcome.
Greetings to all:
Would you make welcome the following new members to Ruddell & Martin
Stations Historical Association:
Gregory Stephen Ruddell, Sr, gregsr(a)wctel.net Greg hails
from McCormick, SC. He wishes to swap Genealogy info
Gloria Jean Shay, gmpigma(a)aol.com, Gloria hails from Blue
Springs, MO, she is a descendant of Elizabeth Dunkin, etc. Jim Tuttle,
kevinchrista(a)aol.com, Jim hails form Lexington, KY, and is a
friend of the forts
Terry Breckenridge, tabreck(a)alltel.net, from Newark, OH, and
descends from Jane Mahan and James Breckenridge.
Bonnie Cogan-Breckenridge, Bonnie_Cogan(a)wptd.pbs.org,
Bonnie is from Dayton, Ohio, and she too is a descendant of
Jane Mahan and James Breckenridge.
Patricia Bennett, TN88(a)aol.com Patricia is a descendant of
George Lail and hails from Richmond, VA.
Nick Bane, Banegen(a)aol.com Nick lives in Sarasota, FL. and is a
descendant of Isaac Ruddell
Kelly Diane (Holley) Whittaker, scous(a)grapevine.net, she is from
Ellsworth, KS, and is a descendant of Capt. Stephen Ruddell
the father of Isaac Ruddell.
Patrick Flynn, icul8r(a)hotmail.com Patrick is a student from
Louisville, KY and a friend of the Forts.
I am late in getting these out due to my recent illness. Sorry about
that! Hope we didn't miss anyone.
During the Month of April we will have a membership drive. James
Alexander Thom, the best selling Author, has donated an autographed copy of
his Book "Panther in the Sky" the novel about Tecumseh, which will be given
to the one who recruits the most new members between April 1 to April 30,
2000. To win you must have recruited a new person and your name must be
listed as the recruiter on the membership application under Descendancy or
comments line. This will run between 12:01 Am April 1, and 11:59 PM April
So if you know someone, a friend or relative whom you think would be a
good candidate for membership, get busy and sign them up. Remember they don't
have to be a descendant to be eligible. No dues are necessary with the
application. This Beautiful Hardback book, which is out of print, will be
autographed for you personally and comes from the author's own limited
So, get busy and help build your association and get a valuable book.
Incidentally James Alexander Thom will be at "Reunion 2000"
Ruddell & Martin Stations
I would be interested in a copy of the book....Billie Jo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patty" <6224472640(a)email.msn.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 3:32 PM
> I have received a couple of queries about the book by Harold Turk Smutz.
They are requesting a little more information. The book is entitled:
John Ruddell of the Shenandoah Valley: His children and grandchildren. It
is out-of-print and the author's son has consented to get a couple of bids
on a soft reprint of the book. So, I have been collecting names of
interested parties. The more orders on this will help keep the costs down.
Also, Mr. Smutz isn't looking to make a profit, only to cover his costs of
printing and shipping. The book is a compilation of many branches of the
Ruddells and other aligned families. It focuses on the fort and it's
history and includes families' documents such as wills, cemetery
incriptions, vital records and more.
> Mr. Smutz's book is an excellent source for research of that area and
times. Some of the families mentioned (there are probably a hundred) are:
Bird, Bohannon, Bowman, Cook, Hite, Lair, Mulheirn, and Sharp to name a few.
> Anyone that would like me to include them in the group wishing a copy,
please let me know before April 15th.
> Thank you,
> Patty Mulherin Tedrick