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To all who responded:
"The Wilderness Road" by Robert Kincaid is now available to us. Lois
Tonoff our Ramsha member from Detroit has done a marvelous job arranging it,
so roses to her for a splendid job. The book will be available to us at a
price of $18.00 plus $2.00 shipping and handling for a total of $20.00. The
best part is Ruddells & Martins Stations Historical Association will benefit
from your purchase. Any profits will go to our treasury and will be used to
help finance "Reunion 2000."
So, send your checks or money orders to Ruddells & Martins Stations
Historical Association at PO Box 297, Alexandria, KY 41001.
We need to got back to the publisher within 10 days. We would also wish
to have our orders in by September 10, 1999. Your prompt response will be
Again, Thank you Lois for a great job. Sharp2tono(a)AOL.com
Sources of the names:
The names of the casualties are written on a monument in the park. The
remains of the dead were buried in a common grave. When Boone's son was
wounded during the battle, Daniel picked him up and carried him down a steel
ravine to the Licking River. It is said they hid in a cave and Boone's son
died during the night.
I may have a list of the participants and those killed, I'll have to check.
Certainly if you go to the battlefield park you can see most of the names on
the monument there. I'm not sure if you live somewhat close. I think the
Register of the Kentucky Historical Society printed the list based on
numerous sources. This may be the one I have. Also the book Rebel Prisoners
has some of those captured during the battle.
Some historians will argue that the Battle of Blue Licks was not the last
battle of the Revolutionary War. I can't remember the date of the declared
victory but I believe that it was before this battle. Certainly it wasn't
over for the Kentuckians. Anyway, the history of the Rev War in Kentucky has
taken back seat to many of the other engagements in the east. The Kentuckians
continued to battle with the Indians for many years long after the Rev War,
but I can't be certain that any Candians or British were involved.
If you ever get a chance to visit the battlefield site, do it. Its a great
place to visit.
In a message dated 8/19/1999 2:20:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> The Battle of Blue Licks was the "last" battle of the Revolutionary War.
> Alas, the force was not beaten off, they massacred the American forces.
> At the time, (Aug. 19, 1782) 178 men was a tremendous loss of life from
> the defense of forts and for the small number of families. One of Daniel
> Boone's sons was killed (along with some of my family). (This was from
> memory: don't quote my dates, # killed, etc.!!!:)
Does anyone know of a source for the names of the casualties in the battle of
>KY ETV announced there will be re-enactment of the final battle of the
>Rev War at Blue Licks State Park. Aug 21-22, 1999. I only heard part of
>the short announcement. Any part of the above info could be in error. If
>interested try to check some other source. KY Tourism has a web site but
>I have forgotten the URL.
Yes, that's correct. Each day Sat/Sun, there will be a reenactment at 3PM.
I am planning on participating on one or both days and maybe camp the whole
weekend. Harold, I'm not familiar with KY ETV? (Maybe KET?) Is anyone else
planning or interested in coming? Maybe we can set a time to get together!
> I believe this is re-enactment of the incident where a large Indian
>force under Simon Girty was beaten off. Some young hotheads insisted on
>attacking some indians, which the experienced men thoght was an ambush.
>When the kids dashed toward the Indians, the experienced men felt
>obligated to go along and the loss of Kentuckians was huge. Most people
>will know this story better than me.
The Battle of Blue Licks was the "last" battle of the Revolutionary War.
Alas, the force was not beaten off, they massacred the American forces.
At the time, (Aug. 19, 1782) 178 men was a tremendous loss of life from
the defense of forts and for the small number of families. One of Daniel
Boone's sons was killed (along with some of my family). (This was from
memory: don't quote my dates, # killed, etc.!!!:)
If you look at this map and imagine going north on 68 until you are
trapped in the bottleneck of the river on three sides and indians on
the fourth, you see the trap they fell into.
There is a pool, museum, preserved section of the buffalo trace,
picnic areas, mini-golf, hiking, camping, etc.
Here is another park/museum link:
P.S. There is another festival coming up in this area. Please go to
this page for details: http://www.webpub.com/jhagee/festival.html
I recieved a few documents today from Marion Donaldson (mardon(a)door.net) from
the book "George Rogers Clark and His Men: Military Records, 1778-1784.
Marion is a descendant of Ransom Tinsley who was captured at Martin's
Station. I'm not sure if she's on the list or a member yet.
This is an abstract of what she sent. I'll get a more complete copy to Bob
for his website soon. There are two similar payrolls probably made out by two
different people at different times. They cover the same dates. I'll just
send the names for one now the rest later.
The men discharged before the capture of Martin's stration were probably
killed by the Indians during the many attacks on the ststion or while
hunting. The "Iky Rice" listed is probably the Isaac Reace mentioned by
Charles Gatliff as one of his hunting mates who was killed while hunting.
Also Peter Fore who many say was killed at Ruddell's may have also been
killed while hunting near Martin's. This record says June 1, 1780 while
another dealing with corn rations says June 21.
(All the men listed served until 26 June 1780 except where noted.)
A pay roll of Capt. Charles Gatlifs Company of militia Martin's Station,
Kentucky County for the year one thousand seven hundred and eighty (1780)
Charles Gatliss Capt. March 17 to June 26
John Machan Lieut.
Solomon Litton Ens.
Thomas Foster, discharged June 20, 1780
Iky Rice. discharged June 12, 1780 [ration list says May 20]
Samual Vanhook, Jr.
Peter Fore, discharged June 1, 1780 [ration list says June 21]
Josiph Hilsmon, discharged June 20, 1780
(signed) John Machan Lieut.
The other list on p. 43-44 has these additional names.
Jobe Monnis [Job Morrison]
Ikey Price [Tice, Rice or Reace?]
To the Ruddells & Martins Family:
Please make welcome the following new members to our association:
Nick Bane: banegen 5th Great Grandson of Isaac Ruddell
Gene Bird: genebird(a)hotmail.com
Lavon Cardwell: dlcardwell(a)aol.com Desc of Isaac Ruddell, George &
Barbara Dittig: bdittig(a)aol.com Diana Ruddell D/o George Ruddell & Sally
Moser/Masoner. Marr George Mock
Thomas B. Dowlearn: tdowlearn(a)axs4u.net Desc of John Dulin & Mary
Harley Haynes: HKHJR(a)aol.com Desc of Samuel VanHook/Susan Elizabeth
VanHook D/O of Ambrose Dudley VanHook
Mark Hickman: markh(a)kiva.net Desc of Catherine Eddleman
Launa Kitros: genealau(a)sbjhigh.sbceo.k12ca.us Trying to find Desc thru
connection. John Bird
Gary Langston: blgl(a)computerland.net Desc of Mary Ann Lail
Sarah Maynard: sally028(a)aol.com Desc of Samuel VanHook
Jeff Oeherich: gooner1(a)ix.netcom.com Desc of Isaac Ruddell & Elizabeth
Bowman thru Stephen Ruddell
Becky Perry: bokaygal(a)aol.com Desc of Chas. Gatliff & Christina
Ronald Pursley: rpursl(a)excite.com Desc of John George Pursley
Robert Reel: R_reel40(a)hotmail.com Desc of Elizabeth Ruddell & John
Connie Scott: clscott(a)cyberhighway.net Desc of Samuel VanHook
Watch us Grow!
Thanks a bunch for the Ruddell article. I will include it in our fall issue.
I have Lois' great article on the reunion with some pictures, plus I expect
an article on George Lail to arrive soon. Once I get the Lail article and a
picture from Lois the fall issue will be complete.
Keep the articles coming. I know everyone has a story to tell about their
families at Ruddell's and Martin's Stations. I'm working on mine at the
moment. The article on Solomon Litton won't make it in the next issue but
maybe in the winter issue. I just received a book compiled by Eugene Lytton
on Lt. Solomon Litton. Great stuff.
One note on Isaac Ruddell: In reading the new book just out on Alexander
McKee it mentions that McKee went to the Indian towns in September of 1780 to
ransom the wife and children of "C. Riddle." This comes from a letter written
by DePeyster to McKee. I'm working on getting this letter to find more info.
I believe the "C. Riddle" is a abbreviation of Capt. Ruddell. The letter may
clarify this. A copy of the letter is in the Michigan Pioneer and Historical
Society publication. Shouldn't be too hard to find.
Launa Kitros, a new member of Ruddells & Martins Stations Historical
Association, writes the following request for information. If anyone can help
Descendancy: I am still trying to find my Descendancy through
a Bird/Byrd-Ruddell connection. My John Bird/Byrd
b abt 1795 TN md Nancy Couts b about the same. Happy
to share information. Anyone with information on
John Bird, captive, please contact me.
KY ETV announced there will be re-enactment of the final battle of the
Rev War at Blue Licks State Park. Aug 21-22, 1999. I only heard part of
the short announcement. Any part of the above info could be in error. If
interested try to check some other source. KY Tourism has a web site but
I have forgotten the URL.
I believe this is re-enactment of the incident where a large Indian
force under Simon Girty was beaten off. Some young hotheads insisted on
attacking some indians, which the experienced men thoght was an ambush.
When the kids dashed toward the Indians, the experienced men felt
obligated to go along and the loss of Kentuckians was huge. Most people
will know this story better than me.
Harold Eddleman Ph.D. Microbiologist. mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org
Location: Palmyra IN USA; 36 kilometers west of Louisville, Kentucky
To one and all,
The Perrin books have finally arrived. The shippers stopped by my house
last week some time and left a note that the books had arrived in town.
I will arrange to have them delivered to my address tomorrow (hopefully)
and will begin packaging and shipping them as soon as possible.
I know it seems like forever since I began this project and you will be
glad to finally receive your very own copy of Perrin's "History of
Bourbon, Scott, Nicholas and Harrison Counties." You should expect it
to arrive on your doorstep sometime within the next two or three weeks.
For those just joining our group, we have resurrrected William Perrin's
classic 1882 history and genealogy of the above counties. It is an
invaluable work for those interested in families that settled in this
region between 1775-1882.
Sadly, I do not have any books remaining. However, the Book Store in
Paris, Kentucky, will have a limited number of the books at a slightly
higher price (I sold the books for $55 including shipping--the Book
Store will sell the same book for $65 *plus* shipping). Also, the
Cynthiana Museum, Cynthiana, Kentucky, will carry some of the books. Mr
Slade, the proprietor of the museum, may sell the books at the same
price that I sold them. However, this is not a certainty. The museum
is open Thursday-Saturday from 10AM-5PM. Following is the information
for contacting these organizations:
The Book Shop in Paris, Kentucky (606-987-8084)
Cynthiana Museum, Cynthiana, Kentucky (606-234-7179).
1920A Butner St.
Ft. Eustis, VA 23604
My Homepage is: http://www.shawhan.com
Ruddell's Fort Page: http://www.shawhan.com/ruddlesfort.html
The first list we had was back before we organized and consisted of
Emails only with no other information such as addresses, phones, Descendancy,
etc. The second list is a member list. You are not on our member list as of
this date. To get on the member list please click below and fill out the
membership application. your name will then be placed on the list. There are
many people out there who are not on the membership roll!!!!
<A HREF="http://www.webpub.com/~jhagee/rudd-app.html">Click here: Ruddles &
Martin Station Historical Association</A>
If you would like a copy of the USGS Quad maps of KY, call Map Express at
1-800-627-0039. They will send you a free copy of the index, then pick the
area or quad you want to order. I've used them many times and they even have
next day service, too.
With a mapper program and your computer, anybody can convert old land grants,
deeds and surveys onto modern USGS maps, today.
At our get together last month, I shot the longitudes and latitudes of
various points of interest, with my GPS (Global Positioning System). So, we
could have some references for future work. If you are interested they are as
The entrance or gate onto the property at Martin Station is 38*14.57 N by
The site of the Old Cemetery at Martin's Station is 38*15.05 N by 084*16.08 W
The entrance or gate onto the property at Ruddles Station is 38*20.62 N by
The site of the Old Ruddles Fort is 38*20.05 N by 084*16.60 W
The Vault where the remains are buried from Ruddles Station 38*20.16 N by
084* 16.81 W
With the way technology is going these days and electronics getting cheaper
by the minute. It won't be long before we all will be traveling about the
highways using GSP's and onboard navigation to find places.
Who would have thought 10 or 15 years ago, that we all would be doing our
genealogy and communicating like this via computer and the internet.
> I checked the USGS map site. This is a query form for any feature listed
> on USGS topographic maps:
> I tried South Fork in Bourbon Co., with no match. However, South Fork in
> Harrison Co. is on the Breckenridge 7.5' Quadrangle.
> Ruddel's Mills is located in Bourbon Co. on the Millersburg 7.5' Quadrangle.
> ----Bill Eddleman
Thanks, I did not know about that URL. It will be very
useful--especially in my other work. It looks like the Catherine
Eddleman grant was on the Millersburg Quadrangle.
Harold Eddleman Ph.D. Microbiologist. mailto:email@example.com
Location: Palmyra IN USA; 36 kilometers west of Louisville, Kentucky
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