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To one and all,
Sorry to use the group mailing, but I received a "Return to
Sender--Address Unknown" notification on a Barbara Bloom, 1062 W. Church
St., Newark, Ohio 43055-2030. I have the Perrin book in hand but
cannot send it to Barbara without the proper address. Barbara, if
you're out there, please respond to this message.
1920A Butner St.
Ft. Eustis, VA 23604
My Homepage is: http://www.shawhan.com
Ruddell's Fort Page: http://www.shawhan.com/ruddlesfort.html
HI, This is my line.
Patrick Mahan b c 1730 d before July 1780 Fort Detroit Quebec. m Isabella
before 1753. Served in Capt. Charles Gatliff's company of rangers Mar 13 to
June 26 1780 at Martins Station. Was captured at Martins station and force
marched to Fort Detroit.
John b c 1753 m 6-21-1778 Botetourt CO Va Agnes LaForce
Elizabeth b c 1754 m _______Wilson
Thomas b 25 Dec 1758 d Harrison Co KY 22 Apr 1814 m 8 June 1797 Margaret
Hawkins b 17 Sep 1772 d 3 Mar 1855 Marion Co MO. (my line)
Margaret b c1759 m 4-8-1779 Botetourt Co VA James Morrow
Isabella b c 1762
William b c 1763 d age 18
Jane b c 1764 m James Brackenridge
To one and all,
Some of you have noted that certain pages are missing from the Perrin
book. I can only conjecture at this point that some of the original
lithographs are missing. You will note that the narrative is intact.
1920A Butner St.
Ft. Eustis, VA 23604
My Homepage is: http://www.shawhan.com
Ruddell's Fort Page: http://www.shawhan.com/ruddlesfort.html
Here's a few references to the state of affairs in Kentucky before and after
the Bird raid from the letters of John Floyd. They may be useful in your
writing about the capture. I just picked out the interesting parts. The rest
deal with the uneventful news dealing mostly about claiming land and family.
Draper Manuscript Collection, 17CC: 130-132.
Letter of Captain John Floyd "Wilson's Station 5th May 1780"
"I think near three-hundred large boats have arrived at the Falls this spring
with families, & corn can be bought now for thirty dollars."
Letter of Captain John Floyd "Bear Grass May 31st 1780."
"We have very little news in Kentucky but what relates to Indians &c. and
they seem determined to make this neighborhood the seat of war this season.
Abram Chaplain and another man left the Tawas about the 27th of April, and
bring accounts that about 600 English with the united Enemy Indians are now
preparing to march against the Falls with artillery: I have no doubt about
the truth of this report, and unless their intentions are frustrated by Col.
Broadhead who I hear is about to carry on an Expedition against the Shawnese,
it is very likely they may succeed in their design. Col. Clarke at the mouth
of the Ohio with his regiment, and most of the people who have no families in
the country are flying to the settlement, and others who cannot go declare
against defending the country because they have no land. We have engaged a
few spies to go up the Miami & bring us word when the Enemy are on this
march, that we may with what few men will go attack them as far from our
settlement as possible. I hear they united down the Miami & Ohio in Boats so
that I doubt we shall be able to annoy them very little in so large a River
as the Ohio which they will get to before we can have intelligence."
Letter of Captain John Floyd "August 25th 1780"
"The occurrences in this Country in the course this summer would far exceed
the bound of a Letter and as Mr. Madison is going in it will be useless to
enumerate them - The stroke the Enemy has made at Licking has raised many
doubts and fears in the minds of the Inhabitants so that numbers are
preparing to remove back to the interior parts of the country."
"From what I have seen of the situation of the Enemy's Country they can at
any time they please carry on a campaign against this part of the country
with equal success to that above without some considerable alteration in our
affairs for the better, or the immediate interposition of Providences. We
have no spies out, nor had we one on Duty when the attack was made on the
Garrisons at Licking. And although they were twelve days in going from the
Ohio, and cleared a wagon road great part of the way they were never
discovered till they marched in sight."
Here's the tail end of the Williams story. I think its the same gut who was
killed and his wife later married Samuel Vanhook. This incident happened
sometime after 1786. I'm not sure who made the statement. I only had this one
page which I was using as scrap paper for notes.
Draper Manuscript Collection, 4S: p. 298
" . . . men to go to Col. Ben. Harrison's Station, two miles up the river,
for a relief party. Williams volunteered - had to run 30 yards exposed to the
fire of the Indians, and three shots were fired at him, when he reached the
cliff; he threw himself some 8 or 10 feet into the top of a small tree
entangled with grape vines, without injury; caught, and descended the tree
some 25 feet to the ground - all the work of a moment. Before the Indians
could have got round and approached the shore, if they attempted it, Williams
was far beyond their reach, having kept the beach, and protected by the
overhanging rocks, trees and bushes. He soon reached Harrison's Station; and
in less than an hour he was back with Col. Harrison and eleven men. The
Indians had wisely decamped, but were too numerous to render it prudent for
Col. Harrison settled his station in the spring of 1786 - Col. Hinkson
accompanied him from Pennsylvania and resettled his in Ruddell's Station."
My copy of the Perrin book arrived today, and alas, neither my Berrys
nor Dunkins are in the index. I would like to sell the book if anyone
tried to order one and was unable to make the cut-off. I know that Bob
does not have any more. I will sell it for $50. Thanks.
You are correct, there were other attacks before the capture. This has been
overlooked many times in some of the stories and records. John Zinn says that
Ruddell's was attacked on March 11th where Andrew Beard was wounded. The
Mahan interview talks about the March raid at Ruddell's too. The transcriber
incorrectly added [June] next to the March 1780 date. Elizabeth Mahan Wilson
talked about the settlers fixing up part of the station since one side of the
fort was not complete. She also talks about Mrs. Ruddell handing ammunition
to the defenders. This March attack is also backed up by a letter written at
Bryan's station which says that Ruddell's was attacked March 10th. Also if
you noticed, it was about this time the troops at both stations came into
service. The story about Mrs. McFall pouring boilig water between the cracks
of the cabin, where an Indian was hiding, is also from the March attack. I
think some of the Ruddell's fort folks have said the attack lasted all day.
George Loveless puts the Martin's Station attack on March 26th, 1780. If this
is correct it would be near the date that Hannah Vanhook was killed. Other
Indian parties came and went several times before the final capture. We have
the Conway story too which places the Indians in the area before the attack.
Some historians have incorrectly stated that the settlers at Ruddell's and
Martin's Stations were caught by surprise when the British showed up. Not the
case. Lt. Abraham Chaplain made his escape from the Indians and arrived at
Louisville on May 18, 1780 warning the people of Bird's advance. I'm sure the
news made it to the Licking stations soon afterward. However, the news that
he brought was that Bird was going to attack Louisville which was the plan at
the time. So in saying that, the settlers may have been a little surprised,
but they knew they were coming. I do know that one of the pension
depositions, maybe George Loceless', stated they were preparing against a
British attack. He even mentioned they were bringing cannon.
This march attack will be fully explored in our book we are writing. We hope
to get every nitty gritty detail in there. Just some thoughts.
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It would appear from this deposition that Ruddells & Martins stations
were attacked twice. Once in March & again in June. Samuel Vanhook's wife was
killed in the March attack.
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This is from the deposition of John Loveless (son of John Loveless Sr. and and
his first wife. John Sr. later married Rachel VanHook -- Rachel was the
daughter of Samuel VanHook and his wife (presumably named Hannah)). John refers
to his "Stepmother's Mother," meaning Rachel's mother).
17 August 1832 - Revolutionary War Pension Records, National Archives -
Deposition of John Loveless to obtain military
pension for his brother George Loveless:
John Loveless doth on his oath depose and say that his Father John Loveless
formerly lived at Holstein in the
State of Virginia and that his brother George Loveless now an applicant for
a pension under the Act of
Congress passed June 7, 1832, went as well remembered to Kentucky and that
he was there one or two years,
and that on his return we the family went to Kentucky and entered Ruddles
Station...we remained in that Station
and during the Winter erected Martins Fort and when finished we with others
moved into it about the last of
March was attacked by a large body of Indians, after severe fighting they
were repulsed and retired...well
remember that Father and brother George the said applicant fought the
Indians (this would be the John and
George Loveless in Capt. Charles Gatliff's company)... At which time in this
engagement my Father was
dangerously wounded and my Stepmother's Mother killed and scalped. In about
3 months afterwards the British
under Col. Bird Canadians and Indians again besieged us and took us
prisoners of War, and marched us to
Detroit where we was detained Prisoners of War until in 1784 when we was
released and sent to Pittsburgh
escorted by two Indian guides and interpreters, said there were 10 prisoners
in number. and were marched to
Pittsburgh on the old Indian trail and found provisions by the British until
we got to Pittsburgh.
Hdlee9936(a)aol.com on 08/21/99 09:36:35 PM
To: Herb VanHook
Subject: Re: [VanHook-L] Samuel Vanhook's wife who was killed by Indians
you said: Hannah, Samuel's wife, was killed by Indians in March of 1780
-- a couple of
months before the capture of Martins and Ruddles Stations. Samuel, of course
was captured at the fall of these stations and disappeared from Kentucky for 4
years and 2 months ("up north" someplace, perhaps Detroit, perhaps Canada).
What is your source of Hannah's death in March 1780?
I am looking for information on William Scott 1738-1804 who served under Capt. Isaac ruddle 1779-1780 at Ruddles 9near present Cynthiana and Martin's Stations. The geonology book of the Scott family says for these services William Scott was some what rapid. In Vol.21 p 194 (1923) in the Dy. Historical Society Register we find: Feb 9 1780-
William Scott this day claimed a preemption of 400 acres of land at the state price in the District of Kentucky, on account of making an actual settlement in 1778, lying on the waters of Licking Creek, upon a branh thatruns into flat Creek about 1 mi. above where Buffalo Roak leaves the said Creek on the East side of said creek and about 10mi. above the Upper Blue Licks. Satisfactory proof being made to the ocurt they are of he opinion that the said Scott has a right to the preemption of 400 acres of land to include the above location, and that a Certificate be issued accordingly". Apparently this land boardered or adjoined Sam McMillins according to survey.
Any information anyone has on this family would be greatly appreciated.
From: Nancy <nancyc(a)troi.csw.net>
To: RUDDLESFORT-Lrequest(a)rootsweb.com <RUDDLESFORT-Lrequest(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Sunday, August 22, 1999 12:48 PM
Subject: information on William Scott ?1738-1804
I have started a search for my ancestors and found this site. I have information on them in this country and would like to fill in some blanks and extend the search into our Scottish heritage. I am looking for information on a William Scott born aprox 1738 probably on a ship form Scotoland and died aprox 1804. I know that he came down the Ohio River with George Rogers Clark to Corn Island and was one of the 65 who helped defend Harrodsburg.
Documented data written by Ruth Hendricks DeVerter states "In Collins "Historyof Kentucky" Vol I, p. 13 "Soldier's Under Capt. Isaac Ruddle 1779-1780 at ruddles (near present cynthiana) and Martin's Stations". Under Lt. John Hoggin, Ens. John Mather, Q.M. James Isaacs, and Sgt. John Waters we find listed:
Does anyone have information on this William Scott..... married Helen Montgomery near Lancaster, Penn in 1767, had 4 children Robert Scott 1769, John Scott 1770, Margaret Scott 1772 and Patrick Scott 1774?
Please email me if you have any information on this family at nancyc(a)mail.cswnet.com.
We are looking for a connection to the Ruddle family. We are descended
from a gentleman named Alby Jans Valdi Wadell born Jan. 27, 1826. It is
said that his mother was Anne Ruddle. So far we have not found any
documentation of that fact or who she married. Any information would be
Correction: Previously I said there were 178 killed. After
reviewing my sources, out of 176, 72 killed on the 19th.
3 Indians were also killed, 4 slightly wounded.
250 of the British and Indian forces had just come from a 2-day
attack on Bryan's Station (my daughter is a freshman at Bryan
Station High School this year, they are known as the "Defenders"!).
A remaining 350 set up the ambush at Blue Licks. That's why Todd's
army didn't know they were greatly outnumbered.
When Logan and Kenton heard from Bryan Station, they raised an
army of 470 who arrived at Blue Licks the morning of the 20th.
After burying the dead, many of them longtime friends of the
2nd army, Kenton went to Clark at Louisville to ask the General
to retaliate on the Ohio Indians.
I'll be at Blue Licks this weekend. I'll try to compare Jim's list
to the one on the monument.
Be aware that often monuments are wrong. They're just the
information some historical group has at the time. For instance,
I know of names that have been left off the Boonesborough monument.
Anyway, I'll be going to defend the settlements as my ancestors did!
I may volunteer to be Hugh McGary this time. I didn't survive the battle
last year! <grin>
I found this on the 'net (Herb Vanhook's site) regarding your Peter Fore. I'm
going to try to find the entire deposition by Peter's son Silas. Have you
seen this? His dates are off by two years and it seems that Peter may have
just died at Martin's and not been killed, Its hard to tell, but the complete
deposition may shed some light on the subject. This is only an abstract of
the pension. Once I get the whole thing I'll send it to the ruddlesfort list.
2 September 1844 - Revolutionary War Military Pension Records, No. R3650 -
Deposition of Silas Force, Henry County, Ky. to obtain military pension (this
application was rejected). (In this deposition taken when Silas was 78 years
old he is 2 years off on his dates concerning the events he relates.):
Silas Force (Fore) was born 1 January 1766 in Prince Edward County, Va. Soon
after his birth his mother died leaving 13 children. In the winter of 1777/78
[1779/1780] his father Peter Force and 7 children came to Martins Station in
Bourbon Co., Ky. In March 1778  the Indians attacked. In June 1778
 his father died. Also in that month Ruddles Station was attacked and
they heard the firing at Martins Station. Two men were sent out for
reinforcements and one of them, McGuire, was captured.
Some British officers brought McGuire to the fort and demanded surrender.
McGuire convinced them it was useless to resist and the station capitulated.
Martins Station was commanded at that time by Charles Gatliffe, but he was
absent at the time the fort was taken. He had gone to the salt works. The
prisoners were taken to Detroit and exchanged 4 years later. Silas tells
about what happenned to his brothers and sisters and lists persons he
remembered as living at the fort at that time: David White, Joel Hill,
Vanhook, Wm. Whitesides, Soloman Litton, William McGuire, Capt. Duncan, Chas.
Gatliffe, Lovelace, Saml Potter, Wm. Foster, Thos. Foster, Thos. Berry, Wm.
Leforce, Mahan, Wm. Mahan, Thos. Mahan.
Todd Laytart has a picture of three males probably taken in the 1920s
from the 1920 autos shown. The name on the picture is Wade Ruddell and was
most likely taken around Ruddells Mills. Anyone know who Wade Ruddell is or
More information on Samuel VanHook from Book "They followed the Sun" The
Williams Family Zadock Williams died in the fall of 1787, killed by Indians
(Draper Papers). He married Hannah Wilson. After Zadock's death Hannah
married Samuel VanHook a Revolutionary Soldier. Samuel was taken Prisoner at
Martins station. after he returned from Captivity he Married Hannah Williams
who was living at Higgins Block House. According to Ellison Williams Diary
Samuel Also fought at the battle of Bluelicks. In Collins history of
Kentucky. This is not supported by any other record.
There are several versions of when and where it happened. One account I heard
was in 1779 in Russell County Virginia. Don't remember who said that but
believe it was someone on VanHook net. Samuel was captured twice. Once in the
Bowman Raid into Ohio and the other at Martins Station in 1780. We need to
talk it up.
I've listed below the names of those killed at the battle of Blue Licks on
August 19, 1782. As for the people killed at Ruddell's and Martin's Stations
here's what we know:
1. Peter Fore, Martin's Station, killed by Indians June 1 or 21, 1780
2. Judith Fore, Martin's Station, killed by Indians enroute to Detroit
2. Thomas Emory, Ruddell's Station, killed October 5, 1779 (while hunting)
3. George Goodnight, Ruddell's Station, killed June 24, 1780.
4. James Dorchester, Ruddell's Station killed 1779 (while hunting)
5. Mrs. John Burger killed June/July 1780 enroute to Detroit
6. Child of Captain Isaac and Elizabeth Ruddell
7. Isaac Reace, Martin's Station, May or June 20, 1780
8. Peter Lail, June 1780
9. Peter Kratz, June/July 1780 enroute to Detroit.
Possible deaths by Indians (no proof though)
1. David Eddleman, Ruddell's Station, Nov/Dec 1779
2. Child of Martin and Eve Tofflemire, Ruddell's Station, June/July 1780
enroute to Detroit.
There definitely others who were killed either hunting or enroute to Detroit.
There names are long forgotton.
Here's the Blue Licks casulties: (The names with an asterisk next to them are
listed as prisoners in Canada in the book Rebel Prisoners by Chris McHenry
and were not killed.) Jim Sellars
Register of the Kentucky Historical Society, July 1949, Vol. 47, No. 160, pp.
Battle of Blue Licks
Last battle of the American Revolution, August 19, 1782, where Kentucky
militiamen and volunteers under Colonels John Todd, Stephen Trigg and Daniel
Boone, and Majors Silas Harlan, Edward Bulger, Levi Todd and Hugh McGary
engaged and were defeated by a superior force of Canadian Rangers and
Northern Indians. The list of known participants follows:
1. Black, Charles
2. Boone, Israel
3. Brannon, Samuel
4. Brown, James, Surveyor
5. Bulger, Edward, Major (Died of wounds)
6. Bulger, John, Captain
7. Corn, Esau
8. Cunningham, Hugh*
9. Douglass, John
10. Eads, William
11. Farrier, Thomas
12. Ferguson, Charles
13. Field, Ezekial
14. Folley, John
15. Foster, Daniel
16. Fry, John
17. Givens, William, Lieut.
18. Gordon, John, Captain
19. Graham, James (Little)
20. Green, Jervis
21. Greggs, Daniel
22. Harlan, Silas, Major
23. Harper, Francis
24. Harper, Matthew
25. Harris, William
26. Hinson, Thomas, Lieut.
27. Jolly, John
28. Kennedy, John, Lieut.
29. Kincaid, Joseph, Captain
30. Ledgerwood, James*
31. Lindsay, Joseph, Captain
32. McBride, Francis
33. McBride, William, Captain
34. McConnell, Andrew
35. McCracken, Isaac
36. McGuire, Lieut.
37. Marshall, Gilbert
38. Miller, Henry
39. Nelson, John
40. Nutt, John
41. Oldfield, Joseph
42. O'Neal, John
43. Overton, Clough, Captain
44. Polley, Drury
45. Price, John*
46. Robertson, William
47. Rogers, Barnett, Lieut.
48. Rose, Mathias*
49. Shannon, William
50. Smith, James
51. Smith, William
52. Stapleton, John*
53. Stephens, William
54. Stern, Val.
55. Stevenson, John
56. Stewart, William
57. Todd, John, Commandant
58. Tomilson, Richard
59. Trigg, Stephen, Colonel
60. Willson, John
61. Wilson, Israel
62. Wilson, John
63. Woods, Archibald
64. Wylie, Matthew
In a message dated 8/19/1999 3:20:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> I may have a list of the participants and those killed, I'll have to check.
> Certainly if you go to the battlefield park you can see most of the names
> the monument there. I'm not sure if you live somewhat close. I think the
> Register of the Kentucky Historical Society printed the list based on
> numerous sources. This may be the one I have. Also the book Rebel
> has some of those captured during the battle.
Hi Jim and all,
Largely because four of my 6-8th ggfathers and a 6th ggmother (first name
unknown) were killed by Indians in New England and Pennsylvania (My 8th
ggmother from Deerfield, Mass was kidnapped and enslaved for 5 years.), I am
trying to identify settlers killed by Indians on the American frontier over
the last nearly 400 years. So far I have identified about 20,000 people known
to have been killed. 7,000 of them are from only four states (Minnesota -
875, New Mexico - 1,250, Ohio - 3,650, and Pennsylvania - 1,500).
The hardest part is giving those people their back their names as well as how
they died, and a specific date and location. It will eventually all be on a
Web site. If you can share anything with me on the names of those killed at
Blue Licks it will help. I could also use help on the names of those killed
at Ruddles and Martins. What I have so far is sketchy. Thank you.
I wish I had known about Blue Licks the last time I was in Lexington--it is
Barry in Tallahassee