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In a message dated 11/29/04 12:39:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bonnie.travel(a)sympatico.ca writes:
> I believe Deliverance, probably the one who married Ezekiel BAKER, was
I never put the BAKER name in my data base. I think a couple of mine married
into the SARLE line back in the 1700s. Bonnie, I think you were helping me
with this. Any comments?
Elaine
Covers Bradford and Tioga Counties, PA, and Chemung, Cayuga in NY. Awesome
site.
Cinda
-----Original Message-----
From: don taylor [mailto:dtaylor120@cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 3:24 PM
To: RIGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Transcribed material online.
And, Joyce Tice's site is?
Don Taylor
----- Original Message -----
From: "TheGenseeker" <thegenseeker(a)comcast.net>
To: <RIGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 5:22 PM
Subject: RE: [RIGENWEB] Transcribed material online.
> Personally, I'm just happy to have the info. I don't mind doing some
digging
> since someone else has done the work. It's the same as Joyce Tice's site.
> Hundreds of bits of info available, if you're willing to put forth a tiny
> fraction of the effort others went to to make it possible.
> Cinda
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Marseglia [mailto:mike@marseglia.org]
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 7:54 AM
> To: RIGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [RIGENWEB] Transcribed material online.
>
>
> Hi list!
> I've been doing some research into some of the transcribed material and
> I've found it extremely difficult to find information.
>
> Beth was very kind and provided the links (below) to articles on the
> RIGEN Website.
>
> I looked at the page and it appears as if somethings are ordered by
> numbered 'articles' which is a sequential series in which material was
> transcribed; but some is not.
>
> Chapter V of the "History of Providence County, Rhode Island" is broken
> up into three articles, #283-285. It is listed with Chapters V-VIII on
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/articles.html. Chapter IV however, is
> listed somewhat further down as "The Profession of Medicine, Providence"
> and isn't provided an article number. I also found Chapter III below
> Chapter IV, but can't seem to find Chapters I and II.
>
> If one was going to create an online collection of transcriptions,
> shouldn't they be grouped by subject and then ordered list by either
> Title or Author. The current list is terribly confusing, it breaks up
> sources into multiple files and links, and lists texts in no discernable
> order.
>
> I've tried searching for Beth's transcriptions. When I use the search
> engine for the mailing list, for some odd reason, if I search for
> "History of Providence (part 1)" I get no results.
>
> But if I search for "History State "Rhode Island"" and then I seem to
> get all of Beth's postings to the list; but the results are in no
> particular order making it difficult to try and find the texts in order.
>
> Is there even a single, complete transcription of any single source out
> there? If there is I can't find it. All the sources seem to be selected
> transcriptions. Of course, maybe I just couldn't find all the chapters
> because the links were dispersed throughout the page.
>
> ---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
> Subject: Re: Histories of...
> From: "Beth Hurd" <beth.hurd(a)cox.net>
> Date: Sun, November 28, 2004 13:49
> To: mike(a)marseglia.org
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Hi, Mike
> the transcribed articles and book plates are being put online, linked to
> this URL:
>
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/articles.html
>
> chapter V
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/article283.html
>
> Chapter VI
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/article286.html
>
> Chapter VII
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/article287.html
>
> Chapter VIII
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/article289.html
>
> Lots of other great stuff there... maps, gravestone photos, etc. I've
> been a volunteer transcriber for over 5 years, and there are others
> contributing as well. Susan Pieroth has assembled a great website of all
> this donated info, and continues to add to the site daily.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Beth Hurd
> Johnston, RI
> beth.hurd(a)cox.net
>
>
> At 01:24 PM 11/28/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hi Beth,
> > Do you think you could zip up some of your "History Of" files and send
> >them my way?
> > I've searched for them on the rootsweb site, but if I search for
> >"History of Providence (part 1)" I get no results. I have to search for
> "History State "Rhode Island" and then I get all of them; but the search
> results are in no particular order making it a pain to try and read.
> >
> > Thank you much...
> >
> >-----
> >Mike Marseglia
> >http://www.marseglia.org :: mike(a)marseglia.org
>
>
>
>
>
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On Mon, November 29, 2004 14:02, Susan W Pieroth said:
> I would be interested in hearing the opinion of others on this subject.
> The census material, by the way, is listed separately on
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/census/
>
> But the other material from books, newspapers, etc., I had felt would be
> best listed by county, if applicable, rather than source. The source is
A single work, like "History of Rhode Island", may have chapters that deal
with individual counties. But what about events between counties? An
event between Newport and Providence county may be discussed in the
chapter on Providence, but completely left out or barely mentioned in the
chapter on Newport.
> As for the downloadable version of each complete work (Beth has
> transcribed complete books), each page is currently ASCII text (that's
> what HTML is so that all kinds of operating systems can access it).
HTML is not the same as a plain ASCII text, hence the name Hyper Text
Markup Language. When I say "plain text", I mean a .txt file.
I did find complete works, or almost complete works, in the Article Index.
> To put the complete work in a neat package is to invite the material to be
> burned to a CD and sold on eBay. That can still be done, but I don't
Purposefully making material more difficult for people use fearing
commercial explotation is more damaging to research and a poor security
tactic. Instead, advertise everywhere accross the Internet on websites,
mailing lists and bulleting boards that material is FREE and available on
this website. So glaringly obvious even the feeblest of minds wouldn't
fork over money for a CD on eBay. Go one step further and make a CD
Image, or ISO, available so people can burn their own CDs! If everyone
has a copy it sort of diminishes the value a bit.
In the interest of protecting works from being not free, Project
Gutenberg, http://www.gutenberg.org/, the oldest, free, electronic
transcription service to date, aims to electronically transcribe books
that have left copyright protection so they may be made readily available
without having to pay for printed copies.
The Project has a license, http://www.gutenberg.org/howto/header-howto,
that must accompany each book. The license forbids commercial use of
Project eBooks.
There are other licenses, http://www.creativecommons.org, which also
prohibit commercial use that can be applied to transcribed works.
Thanks for the discussion on this. I would like to be clear that I am not
diminishing the value of all this work. Everything here is a monumental
undertaking and I applaud Susan for all of her hard work, along with the
transcribers (i.e. Beth). I have simply found it a bit difficult to
navigate and I appreciate the open discussion.
-----
Mike Marseglia
http://www.marseglia.org :: mike(a)marseglia.org
Hi:
I am taking a last stab at this family before putting aside my research for the holidays. I am looking for Luke F. Higgins. He was born about 1812 in Rhode Island. His parents were Luke Higgins and Deborah Chase. He moved to Plaquemines Parish, LA where he was a riverboat pilot. He was married 3 or 4 times. In 1860, he is shown in the Census as being married to Carolyn Hoffman and they have 3 children (sons). After Carolyn died in 1866, he married again and then in 1874 he married Magdalena Sherwood Keisel Johnston. Luke died in 1877 in Orleans Parish, LA.
--
Thanks a bunch,
Tami Johnston-Parise
New Orleans, LA
Researching: JOHNSTON/HOFFMANN/STEINDBINDER/WEISHEIMER/SPROUL/
KEISEL/SHERWOOD/HOERNER/ZWEIFEL/DOCLAR/USNER/
FERNANDEZ/MCDERMOTT
On Mon, November 29, 2004 11:35, Jespane(a)cs.com said:
> In a message dated 11/29/2004 11:29:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> pieroth(a)ix.netcom.com writes:
>> If one was going to create an online collection of transcriptions,
>> >shouldn't they be grouped by subject and then ordered list by either
>> >Title or Author. The current list is terribly confusing, it breaks up
>> >sources into multiple files and links, and lists texts in no
>> discernable
>> >order.
<snip>
> Just wanted to give my appreciation to all of the people who are doing
> this
> work to prepare on line materials for all of us who can't get to the
> different
> states. The system is very impressive.
I would also like to give my appreciation to everyone who has contributed
material and have spent a great amount of their time working on the
website. It is clearly the largest, free online resource of primary
source material available.
As far as listing the sources goes.. What about grouping the articles by
type of source and then writing them out as you would a citation using
MLA, APA Chicago Manual of Style or Turabian.
I.e.
Census Material
United States. 1800 U.S. Census. Washington: GPO, 1800.
Books
A. Author. "A History of Rhode Island". New York: Doubleday, 1857.
Newspapers
etc.
I don't have a preference as to the style used as long as it's consistant
throughout the site.
Using a consistent citing style, people can easily take the citation to
look up the same sources at other libraries.
Group all the transcriptions for a single book together into a single file.
Make links to the online transcription version viewed in a web page and to
a downloadable format, either compressed or uncompressed. Make sure all
transcriptions are in plain text format, no MS Word/PDF.
Submit completed transcriptions to Project Gutenberg
http://www.gutenberg.org/.
-----
Mike Marseglia
http://www.marseglia.org :: mike(a)marseglia.org
I'm assisting a friend with her BAKER/JACQUA/TUPPER family. Looking to correspond with anyone who has family connections in New England area with these surnames.
Thanks in advance
Cindy
Bonnie,
You're welcome.
Gloria
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bonnie Weber" <bonnie.travel(a)sympatico.ca>
To: <RIGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Ezekiel Baker
> That would help with a missing generation!
>
> Most of the info that I got from John Komar is pretty good, but a lot of
it
> does not have any sources for his information.
>
> He has another missing generation for Hannah Baker b 19 Feb 1793 in
Leyden,
> MA m Randal Miner b abt 1787 in CT.
> He has them m 18 Aug 1810 and the children were all born 1839-1841??????
>
> The 1860 Census has Randal age 73, Hannah age 67, dependants Jeriah 23,
and
> Emiline 18.
>
> This stuff is driving me crazy
> I received this 101 pages from him, and he seems to have disappeared (or
> maybe he died), I don't know.
>
> No one can find him, and we have tried everything. Email, snailmail,
> telephone!
>
> Tom Dunne is one of my accomplices in tracking down the truth, but he is
in
> hospital now waiting for by-pass surgery
>
> I introduced him to the list a while ago.
> We had just done a lot of pictures of the cemetaries in NY.
>
> Thanks to anyone who wants to add to this, and thank you Gloria,
>
> We are definitely cousins, on this and other lines.
> Bonnie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gloria Silverman" <gjs11054(a)cox.net>
> To: <RIGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 3:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Ezekiel Baker
>
>
> > Hmm...you started out by saying Deliverance Matteson was a daughter of
> > Thomas & Elizabeth...just a thought...Thomas & Martha had a son Thomas
who
> > married an Elizabeth and SUPPOSEDLY had a daughter Deliverance Matteson
> born
> > 29OCT1733 maybe she's the one who married an Ezekiel who was born c1730,
> > possibly son of Thomas & Appolonia, and then they had this son Thomas
born
> > in 1771??!!
> > Gloria
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bonnie Weber" <bonnie.travel(a)sympatico.ca>
> > To: <RIGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 3:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Ezekiel Baker
> >
> >
> > > Gloria,
> > > I received the information that they had a son Thomas b 10 Apr 1771,
in
> > > Talcottvile, N.Y.
> > > This is just too off the wall.
> > > That would be totally impossible!
> > > Bonnie
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gloria Silverman" <gjs11054(a)cox.net>
> > > To: <RIGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 12:03 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Ezekiel Baker
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Bonnie,
> > > > I have seen the marriage date listed as 7FEB1717 and 7FEB1720 at
> > > family
> > > > search (LDS) but don't know if this is a guess on someone's part.
> > > > Seems unlikely they would have married at age 70. Any children
> > > > accredited to them?
> > > > Gloria
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Bonnie Weber" <bonnie.travel(a)sympatico.ca>
> > > > To: <RIGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 10:31 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Ezekiel Baker
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Gloria
> > > > > Thank you
> > > > > I am trying to connect him with ou Rev. Thomas Baker, but haven't
> been
> > > > able
> > > > > to do so (1638-1710)
> > > > > Was this a second marriage?
> > > > > If they married that late, it would seem probable?
> > > > > Thanks again,
> > > > > Bonnie
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Gloria Silverman" <gjs11054(a)cox.net>
> > > > > To: <RIGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 5:32 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Ezekiel Baker
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Bonnie,
> > > > > > I have the Matteson info but not much on Ezekiel Baker.
> > > > > > Deliverance Matteson, born 20AUG1696 in East Greenwich,
Kent,
> RI
> > > to
> > > > > > Thomas Matteson & Martha Shippee. She married Ezekiel Baker who
> was
> > > > born
> > > > > in
> > > > > > 1694. Deliverance died in Russia, Herkimer, NY in 1793.
> > > > > > Thomas & Martha (Shippee) Matteson are my 8th great
> > grandparents.
> > > > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > > > Gloria
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Bonnie Weber" <bonnie.travel(a)sympatico.ca>
> > > > > > To: <RIGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 4:12 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [RIGENWEB] Ezekiel Baker
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi all
> > > > > > > I need some help with the Birth of Ezekiel Baker, b ca 1730 m
> > > > > Deliverance
> > > > > > > Matteson 7 Feb 1765, in EG 2-31 (East Greenwich). She is
> > > supposedly
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > dau. of Thomas Matteson and Elizabeth.
> > > > > > > Do not know where in R.I. he was born, but died in N.Y.
> according
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > > Beekman Patent.
> > > > > > > Anyone?
> > > > > > > A collegue believes he was the son of Thomas Baker and
> Appolonia,
> > > but
> > > > I
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > nothing to prove this.
> > > > > > > Thanks for any help.
> > > > > > > Bonnie
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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In a message dated 11/29/2004 11:29:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
pieroth(a)ix.netcom.com writes:
> If one was going to create an online collection of transcriptions,
> >shouldn't they be grouped by subject and then ordered list by either
> >Title or Author. The current list is terribly confusing, it breaks up
> >sources into multiple files and links, and lists texts in no discernable
> >order.
>
Searching with computers -- as a professional I did this from 1970 to 2004
in a research library. Systems are constantly being developed and changing.
Originally, we had just a teletype for online services (yes, Compuserve was
available) and the largest computers we were searching then were at SDC and
Lockheed. Rules for abstracting and indexing were developed based upon the same
rules for libraries (print catalogs, card files etc). If you look in Heritage
books on line you will often see that they follow the same filing system as
"catalogs" or card systems in a library. This can be frustrating if you are more
familiar with "free text" searching.... a vast improvement over the older
card files but some of the indexing principles were lost or were purposely
changed.
I don't know about the way files are created on RIGENWEB but I do know that
when looking for materials/items it is useful to use "free text" searching and
also the indexing systems continued (as in Heritage books, etc) from earlier
card files before everything was on line.
Just wanted to give my appreciation to all of the people who are doing this
work to prepare on line materials for all of us who can't get to the different
states. The system is very impressive.
If anyone has any other hints on searching that would be greatly appreciated.
Jes
Does anyone know if William WARNER and his wife Susannah BRIGGS (do/ of
Robert of EG) had a daughter Roby born c1755? Boyd Scott Remington's
ancestry chart shows that they did, but he has no sources noted. Roby
is not listed among their children in other genealogies I have seen.
Any clues appreciated,
Lois Sorensen
Family web site: www.thesorensens.net
I believe Deliverance, probably the one who married Ezekiel BAKER, was
the daughter of Thomas MATTESON & Elizabeth MATTESON. Elizabeth
MATTESON was Thomas's second wife, and also his first cousin. I think
they may also be my ancestors (through their son Joseph), but I still
have not found proof of all the connections.
Here is the story on Deliverance: she is mentioned in the will of her
aunt Jean or Jane MATTESON, daughter of Francis. Jean was single when
she wrote her will and died shortly afterwards. In the will, dated 15
Jan 1747, Jean mentions her father and several siblings, including
sister Elizabeth MATTESON and her daughter Deliverance MATTESON.
It makes sense that she would be the Deliverance MATTESON who was born
in East Greenwich on 29 Oct 1733, d/o Thomas Jr. & Elizabeth, according
to the town records. Susannah, first wife of Thomas Jr., had died 7
June 1732 at East Greenwich (after having four children). As was often
the case in those days, the widower lost no time in remarrying,
especially because he had young children to care for. His cousin was
handy, probably already a friend, and so she became his second wife.
East Greenwich records list 6 children for Thomas & Elizabeth, starting
with Deliverance.
The EG records also note the birth of Lucy MATTESON to Deliverance
MATTESON on 10 Nov 1755, no father mentioned. I suppose we could assume
Lucy was born before Deliverance was married, and that some years later
she married Ezekiel Baker.
There is a little information on these individuals at my web site,
although I have not done a lot of research on this family line. Click
on the "N" to see notes, and click on "S" to see the sources.
Regards,
Lois Sorensen
Family web site: www.thesorensens.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Gloria Silverman [mailto:gjs11054@cox.net]
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 4:35 PM
To: RIGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Ezekiel Baker
Hmm...you started out by saying Deliverance Matteson was a daughter of
Thomas & Elizabeth...just a thought...Thomas & Martha had a son Thomas
who married an Elizabeth and SUPPOSEDLY had a daughter Deliverance
Matteson born 29OCT1733 maybe she's the one who married an Ezekiel who
was born c1730, possibly son of Thomas & Appolonia, and then they had
this son Thomas born in 1771??!! Gloria
Hi list!
I've been doing some research into some of the transcribed material and
I've found it extremely difficult to find information.
Beth was very kind and provided the links (below) to articles on the
RIGEN Website.
I looked at the page and it appears as if somethings are ordered by
numbered 'articles' which is a sequential series in which material was
transcribed; but some is not.
Chapter V of the "History of Providence County, Rhode Island" is broken
up into three articles, #283-285. It is listed with Chapters V-VIII on
http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/articles.html. Chapter IV however, is
listed somewhat further down as "The Profession of Medicine, Providence"
and isn't provided an article number. I also found Chapter III below
Chapter IV, but can't seem to find Chapters I and II.
If one was going to create an online collection of transcriptions,
shouldn't they be grouped by subject and then ordered list by either
Title or Author. The current list is terribly confusing, it breaks up
sources into multiple files and links, and lists texts in no discernable
order.
I've tried searching for Beth's transcriptions. When I use the search
engine for the mailing list, for some odd reason, if I search for
"History of Providence (part 1)" I get no results.
But if I search for "History State "Rhode Island"" and then I seem to
get all of Beth's postings to the list; but the results are in no
particular order making it difficult to try and find the texts in order.
Is there even a single, complete transcription of any single source out
there? If there is I can't find it. All the sources seem to be selected
transcriptions. Of course, maybe I just couldn't find all the chapters
because the links were dispersed throughout the page.
---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Re: Histories of...
From: "Beth Hurd" <beth.hurd(a)cox.net>
Date: Sun, November 28, 2004 13:49
To: mike(a)marseglia.org
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi, Mike
the transcribed articles and book plates are being put online, linked to
this URL:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/articles.html
chapter V
http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/article283.html
Chapter VI
http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/article286.html
Chapter VII
http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/article287.html
Chapter VIII
http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/article289.html
Lots of other great stuff there... maps, gravestone photos, etc. I've
been a volunteer transcriber for over 5 years, and there are others
contributing as well. Susan Pieroth has assembled a great website of all
this donated info, and continues to add to the site daily.
Enjoy!
Beth Hurd
Johnston, RI
beth.hurd(a)cox.net
At 01:24 PM 11/28/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi Beth,
> Do you think you could zip up some of your "History Of" files and send
>them my way?
> I've searched for them on the rootsweb site, but if I search for
>"History of Providence (part 1)" I get no results. I have to search for
"History State "Rhode Island" and then I get all of them; but the search
results are in no particular order making it a pain to try and read.
>
> Thank you much...
>
>-----
>Mike Marseglia
>http://www.marseglia.org :: mike(a)marseglia.org
That would help with a missing generation!
Most of the info that I got from John Komar is pretty good, but a lot of it
does not have any sources for his information.
He has another missing generation for Hannah Baker b 19 Feb 1793 in Leyden,
MA m Randal Miner b abt 1787 in CT.
He has them m 18 Aug 1810 and the children were all born 1839-1841??????
The 1860 Census has Randal age 73, Hannah age 67, dependants Jeriah 23, and
Emiline 18.
This stuff is driving me crazy
I received this 101 pages from him, and he seems to have disappeared (or
maybe he died), I don't know.
No one can find him, and we have tried everything. Email, snailmail,
telephone!
Tom Dunne is one of my accomplices in tracking down the truth, but he is in
hospital now waiting for by-pass surgery
I introduced him to the list a while ago.
We had just done a lot of pictures of the cemetaries in NY.
Thanks to anyone who wants to add to this, and thank you Gloria,
We are definitely cousins, on this and other lines.
Bonnie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gloria Silverman" <gjs11054(a)cox.net>
To: <RIGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Ezekiel Baker
> Hmm...you started out by saying Deliverance Matteson was a daughter of
> Thomas & Elizabeth...just a thought...Thomas & Martha had a son Thomas who
> married an Elizabeth and SUPPOSEDLY had a daughter Deliverance Matteson
born
> 29OCT1733 maybe she's the one who married an Ezekiel who was born c1730,
> possibly son of Thomas & Appolonia, and then they had this son Thomas born
> in 1771??!!
> Gloria
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bonnie Weber" <bonnie.travel(a)sympatico.ca>
> To: <RIGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 3:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Ezekiel Baker
>
>
> > Gloria,
> > I received the information that they had a son Thomas b 10 Apr 1771, in
> > Talcottvile, N.Y.
> > This is just too off the wall.
> > That would be totally impossible!
> > Bonnie
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gloria Silverman" <gjs11054(a)cox.net>
> > To: <RIGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 12:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Ezekiel Baker
> >
> >
> > > Hi Bonnie,
> > > I have seen the marriage date listed as 7FEB1717 and 7FEB1720 at
> > family
> > > search (LDS) but don't know if this is a guess on someone's part.
> > > Seems unlikely they would have married at age 70. Any children
> > > accredited to them?
> > > Gloria
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bonnie Weber" <bonnie.travel(a)sympatico.ca>
> > > To: <RIGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 10:31 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Ezekiel Baker
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Gloria
> > > > Thank you
> > > > I am trying to connect him with ou Rev. Thomas Baker, but haven't
been
> > > able
> > > > to do so (1638-1710)
> > > > Was this a second marriage?
> > > > If they married that late, it would seem probable?
> > > > Thanks again,
> > > > Bonnie
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Gloria Silverman" <gjs11054(a)cox.net>
> > > > To: <RIGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 5:32 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Ezekiel Baker
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Bonnie,
> > > > > I have the Matteson info but not much on Ezekiel Baker.
> > > > > Deliverance Matteson, born 20AUG1696 in East Greenwich, Kent,
RI
> > to
> > > > > Thomas Matteson & Martha Shippee. She married Ezekiel Baker who
was
> > > born
> > > > in
> > > > > 1694. Deliverance died in Russia, Herkimer, NY in 1793.
> > > > > Thomas & Martha (Shippee) Matteson are my 8th great
> grandparents.
> > > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > > Gloria
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Bonnie Weber" <bonnie.travel(a)sympatico.ca>
> > > > > To: <RIGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 4:12 AM
> > > > > Subject: [RIGENWEB] Ezekiel Baker
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all
> > > > > > I need some help with the Birth of Ezekiel Baker, b ca 1730 m
> > > > Deliverance
> > > > > > Matteson 7 Feb 1765, in EG 2-31 (East Greenwich). She is
> > supposedly
> > > > the
> > > > > > dau. of Thomas Matteson and Elizabeth.
> > > > > > Do not know where in R.I. he was born, but died in N.Y.
according
> to
> > > the
> > > > > > Beekman Patent.
> > > > > > Anyone?
> > > > > > A collegue believes he was the son of Thomas Baker and
Appolonia,
> > but
> > > I
> > > > > have
> > > > > > nothing to prove this.
> > > > > > Thanks for any help.
> > > > > > Bonnie
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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from
History of Providence County, Rhode Island
Edited by Richard M. Bayles.
In two volumes, illustrated. Vol. I.
New York: W. W. Preston & Co., 1891.
pp. 264 - 285. (part 18)
"On the 11th of June the road was opened for traffic; it was the second of
the New England roads completed, the Boston & Lowell being the first by
about one month. Mr. T. B. Wales, of Boston, was the first president of
the Boston & Providence, General William Raymond Lee its first
superintendent. In accordance with the requirements of the Rhode Island
charter, a ferryboat was established in 1838 between the India Point
station and the terminus of the New York, Providence & Boston railroad, at
Hill's wharf, on the other side of the harbor; this was maintained until
the removal of the roads to the Union depot. A line of steamboats was also
provided to run in connection with the Boston & Providence to New York, of
which the ill-fated 'Lexington' was the first. In 1848 the 'branch route',
entering Providence by the way of Pawtucket and over the track of the
Providence & Worcester railroad, was constructed and opened for travel May
1st. The obvious advantage of this 'branch' in providing for an
uninterrupted connection with New York, and avoiding the inconvenient ferry
at India point, was immediately recognized, and all trains were run to the
new passenger station, which was completed during the summer of 1848. In
June, 1853, the clumsy and inconvenient organization of the company as two
separate concerns was done away with by an act of the Rhode Island
legislature, providing that the Providence & Boston Railroad Transportation
Company should be named the Boston & Providence Railroad Corporation, and
that it should unite with the Massachusetts corporation, the stockholders
in one becoming stockholders in the other. In 1872 the controlling
interest in the Providence, Warren & Bristol railroad was purchased, and
the following year in the Fall River, Warren & Providence railroad. This
latter was subsequently transferred to the Old Colony railroad.
The history of the Boston & Providence railroad is a record of almost
unvarying prosperity. The road was first built in a very thorough manner
-- the last of the original iron rails, made after the design of General
Lee, were not taken up till 1860 -- and this excellence has always been
kept up. Financially its record has been the purest and soundest. Its
capital has been increased under authority of the two legislatures from one
million dollars to four millions."
continued in part 19.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Young
To: rigen-l(a)rootsweb.com
Cc: MAessex-l(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 9:14 PM
Subject: What in the Sam Hill?
OK, here's what I missed out going to the movies for Sunday night.
The phrase about Sam Hill - you've heard John Wayne use it - comes from Col Sam Hill of Guilford CT 1677-1752. He was so often elected to the General Assembly that the town moderator would convene the meeting by saying "We've come here today to elect Sam Hill and somebody else to go with him to the next General Court." Hill was a big landowner and served in almost every local office there was. In Guilford, his name was still used as of 1903 to express superiority, like
"He runs like Sam Hill"
This may be the biggest laugh of the weekend folks!
Surprising thing is, he was the father of the 1st husband of somebody important in my line, and I just stumbled onto it.
Robin
Does anyone happen to know if the marriage between Alice Bowen and Robert Wheaton in 1638 in Salem, MA, (but later the family moved to Rehoboth, then RI) is related to the RI Wheaton line which produced the Civil War era physician/surgeon father, Dr. Francis Wheaton, and his son General Frank Wheaton?
I just need to know in general terms.
Thanks!
Robin Young
Bonnie,
Sounds like there's a generation missing. Maybe Ezekiel (1694) had an
Ezekiel (1730) who had Thomas (1771).
As for Ezekiel (1694) being the son of Thomas (1696) and Appolonia
that's not possible. More likely to be a brother.
But if Thomas & Appolonia did have a son Ezekiel born in 1730 he's not
the one who married Deliverance Matteson.
Gloria
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bonnie Weber" <bonnie.travel(a)sympatico.ca>
To: <RIGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Ezekiel Baker
> Gloria,
> I received the information that they had a son Thomas b 10 Apr 1771, in
> Talcottvile, N.Y.
> This is just too off the wall.
> That would be totally impossible!
> Bonnie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gloria Silverman" <gjs11054(a)cox.net>
> To: <RIGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 12:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Ezekiel Baker
>
>
> > Hi Bonnie,
> > I have seen the marriage date listed as 7FEB1717 and 7FEB1720 at
> family
> > search (LDS) but don't know if this is a guess on someone's part.
> > Seems unlikely they would have married at age 70. Any children
> > accredited to them?
> > Gloria
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bonnie Weber" <bonnie.travel(a)sympatico.ca>
> > To: <RIGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 10:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Ezekiel Baker
> >
> >
> > > Hi Gloria
> > > Thank you
> > > I am trying to connect him with ou Rev. Thomas Baker, but haven't been
> > able
> > > to do so (1638-1710)
> > > Was this a second marriage?
> > > If they married that late, it would seem probable?
> > > Thanks again,
> > > Bonnie
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gloria Silverman" <gjs11054(a)cox.net>
> > > To: <RIGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 5:32 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Ezekiel Baker
> > >
> > >
> > > > Bonnie,
> > > > I have the Matteson info but not much on Ezekiel Baker.
> > > > Deliverance Matteson, born 20AUG1696 in East Greenwich, Kent, RI
> to
> > > > Thomas Matteson & Martha Shippee. She married Ezekiel Baker who was
> > born
> > > in
> > > > 1694. Deliverance died in Russia, Herkimer, NY in 1793.
> > > > Thomas & Martha (Shippee) Matteson are my 8th great
grandparents.
> > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > Gloria
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Bonnie Weber" <bonnie.travel(a)sympatico.ca>
> > > > To: <RIGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 4:12 AM
> > > > Subject: [RIGENWEB] Ezekiel Baker
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all
> > > > > I need some help with the Birth of Ezekiel Baker, b ca 1730 m
> > > Deliverance
> > > > > Matteson 7 Feb 1765, in EG 2-31 (East Greenwich). She is
> supposedly
> > > the
> > > > > dau. of Thomas Matteson and Elizabeth.
> > > > > Do not know where in R.I. he was born, but died in N.Y. according
to
> > the
> > > > > Beekman Patent.
> > > > > Anyone?
> > > > > A collegue believes he was the son of Thomas Baker and Appolonia,
> but
> > I
> > > > have
> > > > > nothing to prove this.
> > > > > Thanks for any help.
> > > > > Bonnie
> > > > >
> > > > >
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from
History of Providence County, Rhode Island
Edited by Richard M. Bayles.
In two volumes, illustrated. Vol. I.
New York: W. W. Preston & Co., 1891.
pp. 264 - 285. (part 17)
"In May, 1828, the 'Board of Directors of Internal Improvements' of the
commonwealth of Massachusetts applied to the general assembly of Rhode
Island for leave to make surveys in this state for the purpose of
constructing a railroad between Boston and Providence, and for authority to
construct such a railroad. Permission to make the surveys was given, and
the following month the general assembly passed an act authorizing the
commonwealth of Massachusetts, or any corporation in that state, to lay out
and construct a railroad from Boston to Providence. The following year
this board made a report to the general court of Massachusetts describing
the surveys made and the plan of the railroad. This was to consist of two
continuous rails of granite, surmounted by straps of iron their whole
length, over which cars were to be drawn by horses. The steepest
declivities were to be surmounted by inclined planes and stationary
power. The commission add that on the railroads recently built and then
building in England and France, 'it is proposed to make use almost
exclusively of locomotive engines or carriages moved by steam placed within
them.' This was the year that Stephenson's 'Rocket' was built in England,
and made its appearance on the Liverpool & Manchester railway, and was just
before the first locomotive was put into use in this country. Nothing ever
came directly of this survey, and the authority given by the Rhode Island
legislature was soon after repealed.
In 1831 the Boston & Providence Railroad Corporation was incorporated by
the general court of Massachusetts to construct a line of railroad
beginning at or near the city of Boston to the state line in Pawtucket or
Seekonk. Surveys were made by Captain William Gibbs McNeill, assisted by
General William Raymond Lee, and the work was begun under this authority in
Massachusetts. It was not until 1834 that the general assembly of Rhode
Island passed the act to authorize the entrance of the road into this
state. The corporation was here entitled the 'Boston & Providence Railroad
and Transportation Company', to build a railroad to intersect at the state
line with the road of the Boston & Providence Railroad Corporation, and
extend to tide-water in the city of Providence. In the meantime the
franchise of the Massachusetts corporation had been sold out at auction, in
1832, the assessments levied upon the original subscribers to furnish the
money for the building of the road not being paid. The parties upon whom
the task of completing the road then devolved pushed forward the work. The
line entered this state by the drawbridge at India Point, the town of East
Providence, then Seekonk, being at that time in the state of Massachusetts,
and the terminus of the road was at India Point. In June, 1835, the line
was completed, with the exception of the Canton viaduct, and the first
train passed over it from Providence to Boston on the 2d of that month,
being drawn as far as the viaduct by horses, on account of the non-arrival
of one of the locomotives, built in Philadelphia."
continued in part 18.
from
History of Providence County, Rhode Island
Edited by Richard M. Bayles.
In two volumes, illustrated. Vol. I.
New York: W. W. Preston & Co., 1891.
pp. 264 - 285. (part 16)
"The fish trade, which is now almost wholly carried on in stores, was
formerly conducted in an altogether different manner. The schooner
'Caroline', which was built in 1832, was made into a barge in 1840, for the
sale of all kinds of fish, having been bought by Captain John P. Merriam
and located on the west side, at the first wharf below the Weybosset
bridge, called Carpenter's wharf. Fish would arrive in vessels from
Boston, Cape Cod, Block Island and other fishing ports, and be unloaded
into this barge which remained there until it became rotten and worm eaten,
and was then taken away and broken up. After the 'Caroline' was removed, a
large schooner of 180 tons, called the brig 'Confidence', purchased in
Newport by Captain Samuel Bailey, was devoted to the fish trade. She was
100 feet long, and had to be sawed in two so as to be accommodated to the
length of the wharf, which was 80 feet. This craft remained there until
the comparatively recent improvements were made at the Crawford street
bridge, when she was removed below the Point street bridge. She is now
utilized as an oyster receiver at Bullock's point. On the east side of the
first wharf below the bridge was located the old brig 'New England', which
had made nearly 60 voyages from the isle of Cuba to Providence, bringing
over 20,000 hogsheads of molasses, honey and sugar. She was occupied by
John S. Parkhurst as a wholesale and retail market for beef, pork and all
kinds of meat and vegetables. She remained there as long as she could
float and was then replaced by another dismantled schooner, the 'Aliza A.
Endicott', occupied by E. A. Andrews, dealer in produce of all kinds. A
large and prosperous business was done in all of these vessels.
From 1849 to 1851, when the California gold fever broke out, commerce
decreased rapidly. Some of our largest and best ships, barks and brigs
were fitted out for San Francisco and never returned; and when the Southern
troubles came on, our ships were captured, burnt or sunk, and many sold to
British account to prevent seizure; and by this time all of our commercial
capital had been transferred to manufactures. Other causes that have
operated in the decline of our commerce have been the introduction of
railroads, the sending of the products of the West to the seaboard,
especially to New York and Boston, where rail connection with the rapidly
developing territory of this country has been more direct and speedy. As
those cities increased, the foreign commerce of intervening and neighboring
ports necessarily decreased. The foreign commerce of the country has
necessarily become concentrated at a few great ports and its early New
England centers have been wholly abandoned. To-day there is not one ship
that is wholly owned in Providence. Many of her captains, however, did
noble service elsewhere, and a number of Providence vessels for a long time
took part in the commerce of New York. Among these may be named the
clipper ship 'Comet', Captain E. C. Gardner; the 'Valparaiso', Captain
Benoni Lockwood; the 'Candace', Captain Nathaniel Abbott; the ship
'Haidee', Captain Joseph Tillinghast."
continued in part 17.
Hi Bonnie,
I have seen the marriage date listed as 7FEB1717 and 7FEB1720 at family
search (LDS) but don't know if this is a guess on someone's part.
Seems unlikely they would have married at age 70. Any children
accredited to them?
Gloria
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bonnie Weber" <bonnie.travel(a)sympatico.ca>
To: <RIGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Ezekiel Baker
> Hi Gloria
> Thank you
> I am trying to connect him with ou Rev. Thomas Baker, but haven't been
able
> to do so (1638-1710)
> Was this a second marriage?
> If they married that late, it would seem probable?
> Thanks again,
> Bonnie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gloria Silverman" <gjs11054(a)cox.net>
> To: <RIGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 5:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Ezekiel Baker
>
>
> > Bonnie,
> > I have the Matteson info but not much on Ezekiel Baker.
> > Deliverance Matteson, born 20AUG1696 in East Greenwich, Kent, RI to
> > Thomas Matteson & Martha Shippee. She married Ezekiel Baker who was
born
> in
> > 1694. Deliverance died in Russia, Herkimer, NY in 1793.
> > Thomas & Martha (Shippee) Matteson are my 8th great grandparents.
> > Hope this helps.
> > Gloria
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bonnie Weber" <bonnie.travel(a)sympatico.ca>
> > To: <RIGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 4:12 AM
> > Subject: [RIGENWEB] Ezekiel Baker
> >
> >
> > > Hi all
> > > I need some help with the Birth of Ezekiel Baker, b ca 1730 m
> Deliverance
> > > Matteson 7 Feb 1765, in EG 2-31 (East Greenwich). She is supposedly
> the
> > > dau. of Thomas Matteson and Elizabeth.
> > > Do not know where in R.I. he was born, but died in N.Y. according to
the
> > > Beekman Patent.
> > > Anyone?
> > > A collegue believes he was the son of Thomas Baker and Appolonia, but
I
> > have
> > > nothing to prove this.
> > > Thanks for any help.
> > > Bonnie
> > >
> > >
> > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ====
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> > >
> >
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