Barbara and List,
Yes, it was noted, I believe and resulted in a good bit of discussion and clarifying
contributions from list contributors. I agree about responding to the digest version
results in confusing subject heads in the archive.
This census reference to Oliver Dortch in the Charles Poythress home was added toBarbara
Poythress Wolfe’s study of Lewis, David and Charles:
Barbara shared important background on Oliver that helps explain why we find him in the
On Apr 27, 2019, at 9:48 PM, BARBARA WOLFE via POYTHRESS
>> Thank you for your ‘eagle eye’ in detecting the census record
>> regarding “Delir” Poythress. I am in perfect agreement with your
>> My Dortch records show that Sarah Dortch and one William Dortch were
>> siblings. William had a son named Oliver born in 1843, Nutbush,
>> Warren, NC. He and Charles David (born 1849) therefore were first
>> cousins. The dates of their births coincide with the census too. So
>> again, many thanks!
>> Al, how should I add this to the study of David Poythress? So
>> exciting to put another piece of the puzzle together.
>> Barbara (BPW)
Below is Julie Cabitto’s more detailed account of the Dortch - Poythress connections and
reference to the very helpful chart she developed and made available on the website. This
account should be added to the site as well.
I agree with Michael Tutor & Lyn's notes on the 1870 Census. Interestingly
when I went to look for it, Ancestry had already marked it as a hint for
David Poythress in my tree, so I just attached that in my tree.
Here is the chart Al put up on the Poythress web pg that will show the
As far as William Dortch in 1860 with Ben Stanley, it cannot be Oliver
Jasper's father. Because that William died in 1859, see Bible notes below.
I have that Census pg & saw no William Dortch. Thank you for the notes he
was omitted, I had not seen this before & it's rather big for me. I looked
at the end of the batch & saw him. He is listen as Wm Dortch age 17, farm
laborer. William, the father of Oliver Jasper Dortch would have been 44.
But, my Alvy Dortch (son of William), age 17 has never been found on the
1860 Census. The family story was Alvy was 17 when enlisted, but I'm now
realizing he was really age 16 in 1860, so close, but he was just a bit
I am convinced this is actually Alvy, son of William Dortch & Sarah
Poythress, brother to OJ Dortch. And that is pretty cool he's with Ben
Stanley & Rebecca Poythress after his parents died. They would be his aunt
& uncle. He often wrote his name AN Dortch, but that really does look like
a Wm on the Census.
BPW wrote she had William Dortch & Sarah were siblings. This is correct.
David Poythress 2 wives were sisters, and William was a brother, all
children of Newman Dortch (bondsman for Lewis Poythress marriage to Patsy
Giles ) & Sarah Speed. One of these days I will find some good paper proof,
I'm determined! For now there is a lot of good circumstantial evidence &
Here is a post I did about an hour ago, but probably got lost in multiple
subjects so reposting here:
Sorry if it keeps showing up digest & numbered. I'm not sure how my
settings got like that. Wanted to reply to the Dortch Warren, NC messages
here. This William Dortch is my gr...grandfather. Hester Dortch (daughter
of Alvy Dortch, grand daughter of William Dortch & Sarah Poythress) copied
our family Bible in about 1919. There were multiple fires that destroyed
Hester's siblings' homes, records, etc for this family. The original Bible
was in one of those fires. But Hester's grand daughter gave me a typed copy
in 2004. It was typed in outline format, doubting it was written that way.
"T" was dropped from Dortch in this version. There are some minor copying
errors, which I correct in brackets.
William Dorch b. 12/28/1816, d. 6/23/1859
married first Sarah G. Poythress on 31 Jan 1837. Sarah was b. 1/6/1814, d.
Their children were:
A. Martha William Dorch b. 1/15/1838 m. John S. Vaughan on 12/8/1863
1. Mathew C. Vaughan b. 5/31/1866
2. Fannie W. Vaughan b. 10/5/1869
B. Henrietta Spaud Dorch b. 10/30/1839, d. 1/19/1843 [I believe should say
C. Oliver Jasper Dorch b. 2/3/1843, m. A.D. Vallinding on 12/20/1871. 2
children [married Agnes Jennie Vanlandingham and they had 8 children]
D. Alvin Newton Dorch b. 12/6/1844, d. 8/1915 married Tenneysee Jordan
Glover on 4/5/1866. Tenneysee b. 26 Jul 1847, d. 10/25/1919. Their
[Tennessee, all 11 of their children's birth dates were given, including my
line through Theresa India Dortch]
E. Thomas Newman Dorch b. 7/7/1847, d. 10/8/1857
William Dorch m. 2nd Elizabeth ___?__ in 1855. [Elizabeth Mise, married 9
At the time of the war, Alvy & Oliver (OJ) were orphaned. Their sister
Martha lived until abt 1870. So the brothers joined the Confederacy. Alvy
joined at age 17 & was in Point Lookout. After the war, OJ went to Warren,
NC & lived the rest of his life there. Alvy remained in Mecklenburg until
about 1900. William Dortch's parents were Newman Dortch & Sarah Ann Speed.
These things are all in my Ancestry.com
tree. If you are on
is a link to my William:
Thanks for the other Census notes on Poythress mispelled on Census. Not
sure I had all these
On Oct 15, 2019, at 2:25 PM, Barbara Neal
All, I'm re-pasting Elaine's BELOW posting about Oliver Dortch in the 1870
hh of Charles Poythress, which seems to be a helpful reminder of
Dortch-Poythress connections -- in case it got overlooked in May. I just
tried searching the archives of our List emails trying to find out if
anyone acknowledged having seen it -- I wondered about anyone having seen
it (a) being not sure even I saw it, much less that Julie did; (b) perhaps
because its prior caption was one of those less-than-informative captions,
"Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 75" HOWEVER in the List-email search
nesting of emails, it was so convoluted with other responses to other
emails of that Digest, that I could not answer my own wondering;)
Sorry if this was indeed seen & today's email from me duplicates
On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 7:25 PM denver145--- via POYTHRESS <
> Hi Julie,
> I found Oliver Dortch living in the household of a known son of David E.
> Poythress when I did a Census Project for our website many years ago
> 1870 Warren County NC
> H. H. 35 , Nutbush Twp., pg. 520
> Poythress Chas dry goods merchant age 20, born VA
> Dortch, Oliver, dry goods clerk age 26, born VA
> 1870 Warren County, NC
> H.H. 26 Smith Creek Twp. pg. 640
> Poythress/Delir/Known to be David E. Poythress
> " " Sarah, wife, age 45, born VA
> " " Lucie, daughter, age 16, born VA
> " " Alice, daughter, age 12 born VA
> Sincerely,Elaine Poythress Criddle
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