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Thanks; glad you talked with her. Thanks for the opinion on William
Poytress likely being the correct name for John Albert Poythress' brother.
I gather we are safe in assuming whenever you mention a "John" that you are
indeed talking about John Albert Poytress; however for future researchers
it would better enable searching of emails if you'll be sure to continue
mentioning his full name (or any Poytress) at least once in any email that
talks about him, and then further in the same email, you could abbreviate
as "JAP" so we can all be clear who is a Poytress vs who is of any other
surname.
Your best bet for learning more about any earlier marriage of a Hawkins, or
what Mabel Hawksworth did (since all that was about 100 years ago & none of
us are likely to have a Hawkins or a Hawksworth in our family tree), is to
pursue searching them at FamilySearch -- they have records that are truly
from all over the world.
Hope you have not abandoned doing at least a brief recap (within an email)
for our Poythress List summarizing what you know about Sarah nee Simpson
who married Russell King Poythress, of Troup County, Georgia. Thanks again,
Barbara
Thanks for speaking up, Debbie. Yes, in our Poythress/Poytress Surname
Y-DNA Study, we did succeed in getting a sample submitted by one of the
living British Poytress male descendants whose line has continued to live
in England thru all these nearly 400 years.
And his sample (11 generations down from John, who owned Ploddy House and
who was father of both Francis who came to Virginia by 1633, and of
Christopher, who stayed in England) gives DNA result-numbers remarkably
similar to the results of most of our American Poythress participants (some
of whom are now deceased).
That similarity is shown in the results from your own family's male
participant, Debbie, and my family's male participant. So yes, it's great
to see that we are related to the Brit Poytress folk. (I continue to wish
we could nail down all the father-to-son lines of descent here in America,
to show exactly how closely or distantly we are cousins -- you and me, and
so many others.)
Our
Poythress/Poytress Surname Y-DNA Study
is discussed at our research website, poythress.net, along with lots of
other interesting material.
FYI - The Poythresses in Clovis, Madera & Fresno, are my distant cousins.
Their ancestor, Robert Lamar Poythress, is the younger brother to my G-great grandfather, Thomas Boston Poythress; sons of William E Poythress & Martha J. Usher
I had heard of other Poytresses in the Fresno area and had determined that they were directly from England, therefore, not from my Wm E. line.
I would be interested to know if the Poytresses from England had submitted a sample to the Poythress DNA project. I'd be curious to see if we are indeed related to the Poytress family from the 1600's. That would be exciting to learn.
Regards!
Debbie Poythress-Concepcion
> From: poythress-request(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 11
> To: poythress(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 01:00:36 -0700
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> Today's Topics:
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> 1. Info from S C Hawksworth 2/22 re his Fresno Poytress inquiry
> 2/9/14 (Barbara Neal)
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> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 14:35:29 -0700
> From: Barbara Neal <barbpoy.neal(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] Info from S C Hawksworth 2/22 re his Fresno
> Poytress inquiry 2/9/14
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> Good to hear back from you, Steve. I'm again copying our Poythress List,
> and strongly encourage you to use "Reply All" so that others of our group
> who may have helpful info, can respond to help both of us, as well as
> more people in the future.
>
> It's great that your Aunt (who you think would have met John Albert
> Poytress, who came to Fresno, CA) and his wife Annie, is still living at
> 90+ and still so mentally sharp. It is great that you will be talking
> further with her -- do so as soon as you can. Many of us who have now lost
> the elders of our own family lines wish we had asked so many more questions
> of them.
>
> I got a bit lost in the info you mentioned having earlier gotten from your
> Aunt, so I have several points needing clearing up, for clarification.
>
> You wrote that your Aunt has previously told you:
>
> 1. "John [John Albert Poytress, right?] and his brother had both gone out
> to USA. John lost his wife in child birth [It sounds like this is a wife
> who initially accompanied him from England, right?]. He returned to UK and
> visited Ma's family [The maiden name and married name of your Aunt's mother
> would help clarify who this is]. He met and fell in love with Annie -
> daughter of Ma's sister Jane [again, names would help here: from context
> of your next quote from your Aunt, I'm assuming that this is the Jane who
> was married Will Hopkins, and thus that Jane's daughter, Annie, had the
> maiden name of Annie Hopkins]. John married her [Annie Hopkins] and took
> her to Fresno [which you, Steve, notes suggests the marriage was at
> Staunton]. Annie was the eldest of five children."
>
> 2. "Jane was married to Will Hopkins. Jane and Will subsequently went out
> to Fresno. This is the Uncle Will [Hopkins, right?] on Wesley (my
> grandfather) immigration record from Staunton of 1929."
> [Lower in your email today, not quoting your Aunt, you mentioned a
> Will/William who I think is different from this Will Hopkins: you said:
> "My grandfather, Wesley [Am I correct in understanding from your email
> yesterday that your grandfather's surname was Hawksworth?], had a brother
> William [thus William Hawksworth?]. He left Staunton in 1914. His Draft
> Card has him as "Declared" and working as a farmer, for J.A Poytress, Route
> 6(?) Box 62, Fresno, California. I think Will may have left UK to run one
> of John's farms. In doing so he avoided WW1. This may have been because of
> religious/pacifist beliefs. Wesley left Staunton, with his sister Mabel,
> for Fresno in 1915. His Draft Card has him as a farm labourer for Chas
> Dack, R.R.H. Box 196, Fresno."
>
> 3. "John was in American Colony [Was this an area in Fresno County, CA?].
> Uncle Will was in Easton [Easton, CA is a small town on the south side of
> Fresno, both of which are in Fresno County, CA]. Uncle Will lost three
> bungalows in fires, John had a two storey house next door to the farm, this
> was also lost by fire."
>
> 4. "John's wife was killed in a motor accident" [I understand this to be
> John Albert Poytress' wife whose maiden name was Annie Hopkins, thanks to
> your mention in today's email that you think you have somewhere the
> newspaper obituaries for John and the road accident for Annie. Do you know
> if I'm correct to assume that this accident, in which Annie died, was at
> some point after their youngest child, John Robert Poytress, was born 10
> June 1910 -- about 2 months after the official 1910 Census date of April
> 15th.]
>
> Can you please confirm for me, that the unnamed brother, who you mentioned
> in #1 above, and who came from England with John Albert Poytress may have
> been William J Poytress? I ask, because in the 1910 Fresno CA Census
> (transcription below) William J Poytress lived near J.A. Poytress on Fruit
> Ave and was enumerated the day before J.A. Poytress was. As you'll see
> below, William J Poytress was then age 40, and also had come from England,
> reportedly in 1905, which is 14 years after John Albert Poytress came in
> 1891.
>
> US Census, 1910, for Fresno, CA, Twp 4, Supv Dist 6, Enum Dist 53, Sheet
> 10-A, enumerated [as of 15 Apr] on 10 May 1910, dwelling 240, family 242,
> Lines 34-40:
> Household on Fruit Avenue, dwelling 240, family 242:
> -- William J Poytress, head, age 40, male, white, m-1 [in his first
> marriage], married 19 years, born "Eng.-English" and father & mother also
> "Eng.-English,", immigrated to US 1905, "Pa" indicates he had filed Papers
> for Naturalization, born "Eng.-English" and father & mother also
> "Eng.-English," Farmer, general farm, working on Own Account, can read, can
> write, Rents, Farm, #421 on farm schedule
> -- Emma, wife, female, white, age 41, m-1 [her first marriage], married
> 19 yrs, mother of 7 children, 5 of whom are living, born "Eng.-English,"
> father & mother born "Eng.-English," immigrated to US 1905, [Naturalization
> status blank], speaks English, "None" employment, can read, can write;
> -- William H, son, male, white, age 18, single, born "Eng.-English,"
> father & mother born "Eng.-English," immigrated to US 1905, speaks English;
> "None" employment, father & mother born "Eng-England," speaks English,
> "None" employment, can read, can write, yes attended school any time since
> Sep 1, 1909;
> -- Sidney J, son, male, white, age 15, single, born "Eng.-English,"
> father & mother born "Eng.-English," immigrated to US 1905, speaks English;
> "None" employment, father & mother born "Eng-England," speaks English,
> "None" employment, can read, can write, yes attended school any time since
> Sep 1, 1909;
> -- Francis E, son, male, white, age 11, single, born "Eng.-English,"
> father & mother born "Eng.-English," immigrated to US 1905, speaks English;
> "None" employment, father & mother born "Eng-England," speaks English,
> "None" employment, can read, can write, yes attended school any time since
> Sep 1, 1909;
> -- May, daughter, female, white, age 6, single, born "Eng.-English,"
> father & mother born "Eng.-English," immigrated to US 1905, speaks English;
> "None" employment, father & mother born "Eng-England," [blank re whether
> she speaks English], "None" employment, can read, can write, no did not
> attend school any time since Sep 1, 1909;
> -- John T, son, male, white, age 1/12, single, born CA, father & mother
> born "Eng.-English" [remainder of line blank]
>
> US Census, 1910, for Fresno, CA, Twp 4, Supv Dist 6, Enum Dist 53, Sheet
> 10-B, enumerated as of 15 April on 11 May 1910, dwellings 251 & 252
> (families 253 & 254), Lines 85-91:
> [This first household appears to logically be that of a younger brother
> Annie Hopkins, wife of John Albert Poytress, below, and likely worked for
> him]
> Household on Fruit Avenue, dwelling 251, family 253
> -- Harry Hopkins, head, male, white, age 26, m-1 [his first marriage],
> been married 2 yrs, born "Eng.-English" and father & mother also
> "Eng.-English," immigrated to US in 1909, "Pa" indicates he had filed
> Papers for Naturalization; speaks English; Farm laborer, working out,
> working on own account, was not out of work on Apr 15, 1910; 3 wks out of
> work during 1900, can read, can write, [blank re attended school any time
> since Sep 1, 1909], home rented, [blank re own free or mtg], home, [blank
> re # on farm schedule], [not soldier of Union or Conf Army or Navy], [not
> blind], [not deaf & dumb]
> -- Florence L, wife, female, white, age 32, m-1 [her first marriage],
> been married 2 yrs, born "Eng.-English" and father & mother also
> "Eng.-English," immigrated to US in 1909, [Naturalization status blank],
> speaks English, "None" employment, can read, can write, [blank re attended
> school since Sept 1, 1909]
> -- Ivy G, daughter, female, white, age 12/12 mo, single, born
> "Eng.-English" and father & mother also "Eng.-English," immigrated to US in
> 1909, [Naturalization status blank], speaks English, "None" employment;
> remainder of line blank.
> Household on West Avenue, dwelling 252, family 254
> -- John A Poytress, head, male, white, age 39, m-2 [his 2nd marriage],
> married "0" years [so married since 15 April of 1909], born "Eng.-English"
> and father & mother also "Eng.-English," immigrated to US in 1891,
> Naturalized, speaks English, Farmer, general farm, Employer, can read, can
> write, Owns, mortgaged, Farm, #215 on farm schedule
> -- Annie, wife, female, white, age 32, m-2 [her 2nd marriage], married
> "0" years [so married since 15 April of 1909], born "Eng.-English" and
> father & mother also "Eng.-English," immigrated to US in 1909,
> [Naturalization status blank], speaks English, "None" employment, can read,
> can write, [blank re attended school since Sept 1, 1909]
> -- Ellener M, daughter, female, white, age 15, single, born CA, father &
> mother born "Eng-England," speaks English, "None" employment, can read, can
> write, yes attended school any time since Sep 1, 1909
> -- Alice Hopkins, sister-in-law, female, white, age 30, single, born
> "Eng.-English" and father & mother also "Eng.-English,", immigrated to US
> in 1909, speaks English, "None" employment, can read, can write, [blank re
> attended school since Sept 1, 1909]
>
>
> It's good to learn from you about Staunton, in Gloucestershire, where John
> Albert Poytress was brought up. I don't recall having heard of "Chartism"
> and its non-conformist, strong religious beliefs, somewhat alternative
> thinkings, so read up a bit more, thanks to a google search.
>
> >From another google search, I learned of the Fresno Historical Society at
> valleyhistory.org which shows some archived photos from their extensive
> collection, such as the ones you mentioned.
>
> Thanks again for writing.
> Barbara
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 3:22 AM, S C Hawksworth Ltd <
> schawksworth(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hello Barbara
> > Thank you for this incredibly detailed response. I am just starting
> > piecing the family history together - as an amateur! I do not have family
> > trees - these might come later. Your information will take some digesting
> > and thought!
> >
> > I have an aunt who would on numerous occasions, I suspect, have met John
> > Albert and Annie.
> >
> > Your details tie in with my Aunt's comments to me. We have, somewhere I
> > believe, the newspaper obituaries for John and the road accident for Annie.
> > I have recently seen a postcard from the raisin(?) HQ plus a photo of a
> > national radio club. (I do not know where in Fresno this was taken. Any
> > thoughts?)
> >
> > The Hawksworth family was from Staunton. John Albert was brought up in
> > Staunton. Staunton is an area of non-conformists, strong religious beliefs,
> > somewhat alternative thinking - it is a community set up by Chartist
> > beliefs/followers. The Hawksworths were at the inception of the Chartist
> > community, and had a number of Chartist properties.
> >
> > My great grandmother was Alice Watts. The Watts were local farmers, and
> > land owners. The Watts had mixed in the highest echelons of UK society.
> > However, John Watts lived opposite Alice (in a Chartist home), her sister
> > Jane lived nearby. Possibly in a Chartist property (?)
> >
> > My Aunt has previously told me
> >
> > "John
> > [John Albert Poytress]
> > and his brother had both gone out to USA. John lost his wife in child
> > birth. He returned to UK and visited Ma's family. He met and fell in love
> > with Annie - daughter of Ma's sister Jane. John married her and took her to
> > Fresno. (This suggests the marriage was at Staunton). Annie was the eldest
> > of five children."
> >
> > "Jane was married to Will Hopkins. Jane and Will subsequently went out to
> > Fresno. This is the Uncle Will on Wesley (my grandfather) immigration
> > record from Staunton of 1929."
> >
> > " John was in American Colony. Uncle Will was in Easton. Uncle Will lost
> > three bungalows in fires, John had a two storey house next door to the
> > farm, this was also lost by fire."
> >
> > " John's wife was killed in a motor accident"
> >
> > My grandfather, Wesley, had a brother William. He left Staunton in 1914.
> > His Draft Card has him as "Declared" and working as a farmer, for J.A
> > Poytress, Route 6(?) Box 62, Fresno, California. I think Will may have left
> > UK to run one of John's farms. In doing so he avoided WW1. This may have
> > benn because of religuous/pacifist beliefs.
> >
> > Wesley left Staunton, with his sister Mabel, for Fresno in 1915. His Draft
> > Card has has him as a farm labourer for Chas Dack, R.R.H. Box196, Fresno.
> >
> > I do not know if any of the above can be verified, or if it is of any
> > interest to anyone in USA? Over to you on these queries!
> >
> > There is information coming to light from my Aunt - a remarkable, active
> > 90+ years old, and an Uncle also with a remarkable memory and 90+ years
> > old. I will speak further with my Aunt and Uncle.
> >
> > Kind Regards
> > Steve
> >
> >
>
>
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Today I stumbled across the fact that the North Newington Baptist Church
cemetery in fact has 2 listings at FindAGrave.com:
- OLD Site (33 burials: See info further below)
AND
- NEW Site (616 burials)
However apparently as of today the New Site has not yet had its 616 burials
fully indexed into FindAGrave. Thus, in order to search its burials, at
least as of today, one must go to the listing for the cemetery itself.
One searches for a cemetery at FindAGrave.com on the right-hand side of the
homepage, just below where one would normally select the search of all
burials to check by name of the deceased person. The choice below that is
to find a cemetery.
While that should work to find both the OLD and NEW North Newington Baptist
Church Cemetery sites, tonight when one reaches the NEW site, one does not
have the choice, on the right-hand side, of "View all interments" which I
was able to do earlier today.
I had stumbled across the cemetery from a google link to FindAGrave when
searching on the name of one of the Poythress folk that Bud Poythress
alerted us back in 1999 was buried there, so perhaps you too can reach the
page via a google search on one of the people you know is buried there if
the "View all interments" choice is not showing when reaching the main page
for the NEW cemetery. At the bottom of this email, I'll list (hopefully
without typographical errors, but it is late) the Poythress names I noticed
there today.
General info that one learns, once one is within the site for the NEW
cemetery, includes:
616 burials have been entered at FindAGrave.com for "New North Newington
Baptist Church Cemetery" which has a mailing address of PO Box 236;
Newington, Screven County, Georgia 30446. Several photos are at the page
for the cemetery itself, each added by "jrpv" including a photo of the
church (added 28 Mar 2008); a close-up shot of the historic marker that can
be seen to our right of the church (added 28 March 2008); and a photo taken
within the cemetery (added 15 April 2008). 96% of the 616 interments
have been photographed.
FindAGrave's general page for the cemetery itself includes the following
write-up, with the 2nd paragraph quoting the historic plaque:
Cemetery notes and/or description:
The "New Site" of North Newington Baptist Church and Cemetery is about two
miles northeast of the Town of Newington, at 11572 Newington Highway
(Georgia Highway 24). The "Old Site" of the church had been established in
southeastern Screven County at Rooty Branch (a small tributary to the
Savannah River), by about 1803. The church moved nearly five miles WNW to
this "New Site" in 1878-1879. The Georgia Historical Commission erected
this marker (124-14) at the "New Site" in 1959:
This church was constituted at Newington Plantation, Chatham County, 1793,
in home of Thomas Polhill. Meetings alternated between the Polhill home
near Goshen settlement and the Fox Family home near King's Bridge on the
Ogeechee River until 1797. The first meeting house, called Bethel, was
built at King' Bridge, 1797. In 1802 it removed to Newington Plantation.
Members met in conference at Rooty Branch Church, Screven County, an arm of
Black Swamp Baptist Church, South Carolina, 1803 to 1806, where they
resolved to meet in the future at this house. In 1826 the name was changed
to Newington, Screven County, and in 1852 to North Newington. In 1879 the
church was moved to the present site. Affiliated with Carolina Assn. at
first, then the Savannah River Assn. in 1802, the Sunbury Assn. in 1830,
this chuch has been a member of the Baptist Middle Assn. since 1841. Early
officers were:
Pastors, John Goldwire, Henry Hand, John L. Southwell, Isaac Nichols, Wm.
W. Lee, William Spiers.
Deacons, Thos. Polhill, Wm. Mathers, Benj. Fox, Josiah Fox, James Goldwire,
Daniel Dampiers, Paul B. Colson.
Clerks, David Fox, Thos. Fox, Henry W. Williams, James Goldwire, Paul B.
Colson.
For the OLD North Newington Baptist Church Cemetery, at Blue Springs,
Screven Co, GA, 33 burials have Memorials, created by jrpv from earlier
Cemetery Surveys, which are discussed at a listing near the top of the
cemetery's burials.
The OLD site's 33 burials include the following which mention the surname
Poythress:
- H J Poythress, b.9 Jul 1875; d.9 Oct 1876
- L C Poythress, b.17 Nov 1871; d.19 Dec 1872
- Mary E nee Mercer Poythress, b.10 Mar 1846; d.16 Dec 1899
- Z L Poythress, b.16 Apr 1873; d.15 Mar 1874
The NEW site:
At the NEW site, checking in alphabetical order only in the "P" portion,
among the 616 burials, I spotted these with Poythress mentioned, but I
realize there could be other Poythress maiden names elsewhere in the
alphabetical listing:
- Pitts, Magnolia nee Poythress, b.2 Jan 1883; d.11 Feb 1945
- Poythress, Bessie M, b.26 Mar 1887; d.11 Aug 1966
- Poythress, Beulah B, b.19 Nov 1896; d.6 Feb 1982
- Poythress, Evalina Denning, b.28 Apr 1861; d.2 May 1946
- Poythress, Frank, b.22 Nov 1885; d.18 Sep 1977
- Poythress, Gazzie H, b.22 Feb 1879; d.4 Feb 1969
- Poythress, Idella A, b.5 Jan 1859; d.26 Jan 1883
- Poythress, Ina M, b.19 May 1904; d.12 Feb 1905
- Poythress, James C, b.24 Nov 1885; d.20 Jul 1950
- Poythress, Joann, b.1936; d.1937
- Poythress, Julia Ann Usher, b.6 Feb 1873; d.24 Jun 1940
- Poythress, Martha J, b.4 Jul 1841; d.8 Dec 1935
- Poythress, Robert L, b.2 Jan 1867; d.10 Feb 1935
- Poythress, Sheddie W, b.10 Jul 1902; d.21 Jul 1903
- Poythress, Thomas Boston, b.7 Apr 1860; d.13 May 1937
- Poythress, Thomas Ralph, b.1897, d.1946
- Poythress, Verna Mae nee Bryant, b.1908, d.1945
- Poythress, Wm E, b.11 Jul 1833; d.23 Dec 1907
Steve, thanks for the interesting way you relayed the context. Appreciate
you getting back to the Poytress side of the story, with the clarification
on names and relationships, too. Hope you will talk with your Aunt for
further info (whether by telephone or in a visit) as soon as possible.
Looking forward to further info from her.
The following instructions for using FamilySearch can be used by anyone,
to search any name:
Go to FamilySearch.org Click on "Join" in the upper right, so you can sign
up for a free account -- With an account, once you find a record of
interest to you, you'll be able to see it and download it, if they have a
digital image of it. Of course be sure to pick a user-name and password
you can easily continue using in the future.
One need not be concerned that by signing up, anyone will try to convert
you or that you will be hassled by emails from them. That does not happen,
I assure you.
After the initial sign-in is done, it takes you to a homepage having many
options. Click on "Search" and from the drop-down menu of things to
search, select "Records."
In the resulting page, on the left side, enter ONLY the following things
for this initial search of yours today:
- Last name - Hawksworth
- In the "Restrict records by" portion click to insert a check into the
boxes beside each of these 3 choices:
-- Census, Residence, and Lists
-- Immigration and Naturalization
-- Military
- Now, below that portion, in the "Search with a life event" portion:
- Click on "Residence" and insert
-- in "Residence Place" type Fresno, California [this description covers
all of Fresno County -- they do not use the word "County." For further
clarification, IF alternatively you were wanting to only check records in
one town within that county, for example, if you were wanting to ONLY check
in the town of Easton, you would type "Easton, Fresno, California"]
-- in the "Residence Year (Range)" type 1910 to 1940
- Then click on the blue "Search" button that is lower in that column.
The resulting list of records will open on the right side of the page,
generally (but not always) in chronological (or reverse chronological)
order within type of event. The list I'm seeing by doing that begins with
US Census 1940 records [the type shows in the left column, along with the
name of each person found in that record]; then 1930 Census records; then
1920 Census records; and then lower on the page gets to US World War II
Army Enlistment Records 1938-1946, and then US World War I Draft
Registration Cards 1917-1918.
There are further pages indicated at the bottom of the page, but for now
you need to know how to best explore any one of these records.
So to explain: to look first at Wesley Hawksworth's & William Hawksworth's
World War I Draft Registration Cards, do this:
- on the far right by each of those you'll see a little grey triangle,
pointed downward.
- Click on that and it will drop down to a larger row, listing on the
right all of the info the volunteer-indexer has indexed, usually enough to
let you know the birth date, or estimated birth date, so you'll know it's
likely the correct person; and that info includes what you need for a
proper citation, such as the "Affiliate Publication Title and Number" which
gives you the proper citation, in this case our National Archives
Publication M1509, which is "World War I Selective Service System Draft
Registration Cards." It also includes their own "Digital Folder Number"
and "GS Film Number" which is the microfilm roll number if you were going
to visit your nearest Family Search location -- they can be found in the
phone book listed under "Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints"
and are sometimes free-standing locations, and sometimes located at the
same building(s) as one of their local Ward churches or their Temples.]
- After checking that column, then on the left column, where the person's
name is in blue, click on the name -- I usually do this with an
alternate-side-of-my-mouse click to choose "Open link in new tab" so that I
can easily come back to this listing of records. That new tab's window
re-phrases the info in a suitable format to print if you want to do that,
AND lower on the right side lets you "View Document" and/or "Save image."
You can also wait and save the image when viewing it -- and on the View of
it, you can make it larger to see on your screen. I find their View screen
"touchy" enough that, especially for a Census page, trying to move left &
right, and or up & down is not easy, so I generally "Save" the image as
soon as I am looking at it, of course noting where on my computer it is
saved, and then later I can more easily move around the image that I have
saved versus doing it online at their image.
Some records will have "No image available" -- yet -- They have thousands
of volunteers around the world who are very dedicated and busy helping to
digitize images in the gazillion microfilms that the Saints have been going
all over the world since the 1930s, to film in local counties / shires /
etc. All those as-yet-not-digitized microfilms can be seen at their Family
Search locations -- sometimes they have the films permanently on site, and
sometimes one must request it be sent to that site, for viewing at one of
the microfilm readers. There is a nominal fee to cover postage of the
film. When I formerly did that, in the 1990s, I could specify whether I
wanted to pay a very modest fee for the film to be available for some short
period of time (2 wks maybe) or a bit more of a fee to have it there for 6
months.
ALSO IMPORTANT TO KNOW: Some records, rather than being viewable directly
at their site, will have "Explore Viewing Options" instead of "View
Document." Some of the viewing options include free sites, and some are
sites one must join for a fee. I have avoided joining other fee-sites
(such as Ancestry.com) because there is so much free info available here at
FamilySearch.org that I have not yet exhausted it, and some of what
Ancestry.com has is a duplicate of the free National Archives info readily
available at FamilySearch.
When you are done exploring, copying, etc, go up to your user name showing
in the upper right-hand corner, and get the drop-down that allows you to
sign out.
End of lesson. Be sure to let us know when you've learned more about the
Poytress folk, please.
Cheers,
Barbara
Good to hear back from you, Steve. I'm again copying our Poythress List,
and strongly encourage you to use "Reply All" so that others of our group
who may have helpful info, can respond to help both of us, as well as
more people in the future.
It's great that your Aunt (who you think would have met John Albert
Poytress, who came to Fresno, CA) and his wife Annie, is still living at
90+ and still so mentally sharp. It is great that you will be talking
further with her -- do so as soon as you can. Many of us who have now lost
the elders of our own family lines wish we had asked so many more questions
of them.
I got a bit lost in the info you mentioned having earlier gotten from your
Aunt, so I have several points needing clearing up, for clarification.
You wrote that your Aunt has previously told you:
1. "John [John Albert Poytress, right?] and his brother had both gone out
to USA. John lost his wife in child birth [It sounds like this is a wife
who initially accompanied him from England, right?]. He returned to UK and
visited Ma's family [The maiden name and married name of your Aunt's mother
would help clarify who this is]. He met and fell in love with Annie -
daughter of Ma's sister Jane [again, names would help here: from context
of your next quote from your Aunt, I'm assuming that this is the Jane who
was married Will Hopkins, and thus that Jane's daughter, Annie, had the
maiden name of Annie Hopkins]. John married her [Annie Hopkins] and took
her to Fresno [which you, Steve, notes suggests the marriage was at
Staunton]. Annie was the eldest of five children."
2. "Jane was married to Will Hopkins. Jane and Will subsequently went out
to Fresno. This is the Uncle Will [Hopkins, right?] on Wesley (my
grandfather) immigration record from Staunton of 1929."
[Lower in your email today, not quoting your Aunt, you mentioned a
Will/William who I think is different from this Will Hopkins: you said:
"My grandfather, Wesley [Am I correct in understanding from your email
yesterday that your grandfather's surname was Hawksworth?], had a brother
William [thus William Hawksworth?]. He left Staunton in 1914. His Draft
Card has him as "Declared" and working as a farmer, for J.A Poytress, Route
6(?) Box 62, Fresno, California. I think Will may have left UK to run one
of John's farms. In doing so he avoided WW1. This may have been because of
religious/pacifist beliefs. Wesley left Staunton, with his sister Mabel,
for Fresno in 1915. His Draft Card has him as a farm labourer for Chas
Dack, R.R.H. Box 196, Fresno."
3. "John was in American Colony [Was this an area in Fresno County, CA?].
Uncle Will was in Easton [Easton, CA is a small town on the south side of
Fresno, both of which are in Fresno County, CA]. Uncle Will lost three
bungalows in fires, John had a two storey house next door to the farm, this
was also lost by fire."
4. "John's wife was killed in a motor accident" [I understand this to be
John Albert Poytress' wife whose maiden name was Annie Hopkins, thanks to
your mention in today's email that you think you have somewhere the
newspaper obituaries for John and the road accident for Annie. Do you know
if I'm correct to assume that this accident, in which Annie died, was at
some point after their youngest child, John Robert Poytress, was born 10
June 1910 -- about 2 months after the official 1910 Census date of April
15th.]
Can you please confirm for me, that the unnamed brother, who you mentioned
in #1 above, and who came from England with John Albert Poytress may have
been William J Poytress? I ask, because in the 1910 Fresno CA Census
(transcription below) William J Poytress lived near J.A. Poytress on Fruit
Ave and was enumerated the day before J.A. Poytress was. As you'll see
below, William J Poytress was then age 40, and also had come from England,
reportedly in 1905, which is 14 years after John Albert Poytress came in
1891.
US Census, 1910, for Fresno, CA, Twp 4, Supv Dist 6, Enum Dist 53, Sheet
10-A, enumerated [as of 15 Apr] on 10 May 1910, dwelling 240, family 242,
Lines 34-40:
Household on Fruit Avenue, dwelling 240, family 242:
-- William J Poytress, head, age 40, male, white, m-1 [in his first
marriage], married 19 years, born "Eng.-English" and father & mother also
"Eng.-English,", immigrated to US 1905, "Pa" indicates he had filed Papers
for Naturalization, born "Eng.-English" and father & mother also
"Eng.-English," Farmer, general farm, working on Own Account, can read, can
write, Rents, Farm, #421 on farm schedule
-- Emma, wife, female, white, age 41, m-1 [her first marriage], married
19 yrs, mother of 7 children, 5 of whom are living, born "Eng.-English,"
father & mother born "Eng.-English," immigrated to US 1905, [Naturalization
status blank], speaks English, "None" employment, can read, can write;
-- William H, son, male, white, age 18, single, born "Eng.-English,"
father & mother born "Eng.-English," immigrated to US 1905, speaks English;
"None" employment, father & mother born "Eng-England," speaks English,
"None" employment, can read, can write, yes attended school any time since
Sep 1, 1909;
-- Sidney J, son, male, white, age 15, single, born "Eng.-English,"
father & mother born "Eng.-English," immigrated to US 1905, speaks English;
"None" employment, father & mother born "Eng-England," speaks English,
"None" employment, can read, can write, yes attended school any time since
Sep 1, 1909;
-- Francis E, son, male, white, age 11, single, born "Eng.-English,"
father & mother born "Eng.-English," immigrated to US 1905, speaks English;
"None" employment, father & mother born "Eng-England," speaks English,
"None" employment, can read, can write, yes attended school any time since
Sep 1, 1909;
-- May, daughter, female, white, age 6, single, born "Eng.-English,"
father & mother born "Eng.-English," immigrated to US 1905, speaks English;
"None" employment, father & mother born "Eng-England," [blank re whether
she speaks English], "None" employment, can read, can write, no did not
attend school any time since Sep 1, 1909;
-- John T, son, male, white, age 1/12, single, born CA, father & mother
born "Eng.-English" [remainder of line blank]
US Census, 1910, for Fresno, CA, Twp 4, Supv Dist 6, Enum Dist 53, Sheet
10-B, enumerated as of 15 April on 11 May 1910, dwellings 251 & 252
(families 253 & 254), Lines 85-91:
[This first household appears to logically be that of a younger brother
Annie Hopkins, wife of John Albert Poytress, below, and likely worked for
him]
Household on Fruit Avenue, dwelling 251, family 253
-- Harry Hopkins, head, male, white, age 26, m-1 [his first marriage],
been married 2 yrs, born "Eng.-English" and father & mother also
"Eng.-English," immigrated to US in 1909, "Pa" indicates he had filed
Papers for Naturalization; speaks English; Farm laborer, working out,
working on own account, was not out of work on Apr 15, 1910; 3 wks out of
work during 1900, can read, can write, [blank re attended school any time
since Sep 1, 1909], home rented, [blank re own free or mtg], home, [blank
re # on farm schedule], [not soldier of Union or Conf Army or Navy], [not
blind], [not deaf & dumb]
-- Florence L, wife, female, white, age 32, m-1 [her first marriage],
been married 2 yrs, born "Eng.-English" and father & mother also
"Eng.-English," immigrated to US in 1909, [Naturalization status blank],
speaks English, "None" employment, can read, can write, [blank re attended
school since Sept 1, 1909]
-- Ivy G, daughter, female, white, age 12/12 mo, single, born
"Eng.-English" and father & mother also "Eng.-English," immigrated to US in
1909, [Naturalization status blank], speaks English, "None" employment;
remainder of line blank.
Household on West Avenue, dwelling 252, family 254
-- John A Poytress, head, male, white, age 39, m-2 [his 2nd marriage],
married "0" years [so married since 15 April of 1909], born "Eng.-English"
and father & mother also "Eng.-English," immigrated to US in 1891,
Naturalized, speaks English, Farmer, general farm, Employer, can read, can
write, Owns, mortgaged, Farm, #215 on farm schedule
-- Annie, wife, female, white, age 32, m-2 [her 2nd marriage], married
"0" years [so married since 15 April of 1909], born "Eng.-English" and
father & mother also "Eng.-English," immigrated to US in 1909,
[Naturalization status blank], speaks English, "None" employment, can read,
can write, [blank re attended school since Sept 1, 1909]
-- Ellener M, daughter, female, white, age 15, single, born CA, father &
mother born "Eng-England," speaks English, "None" employment, can read, can
write, yes attended school any time since Sep 1, 1909
-- Alice Hopkins, sister-in-law, female, white, age 30, single, born
"Eng.-English" and father & mother also "Eng.-English,", immigrated to US
in 1909, speaks English, "None" employment, can read, can write, [blank re
attended school since Sept 1, 1909]
It's good to learn from you about Staunton, in Gloucestershire, where John
Albert Poytress was brought up. I don't recall having heard of "Chartism"
and its non-conformist, strong religious beliefs, somewhat alternative
thinkings, so read up a bit more, thanks to a google search.
>From another google search, I learned of the Fresno Historical Society at
valleyhistory.org which shows some archived photos from their extensive
collection, such as the ones you mentioned.
Thanks again for writing.
Barbara
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 3:22 AM, S C Hawksworth Ltd <
schawksworth(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Hello Barbara
> Thank you for this incredibly detailed response. I am just starting
> piecing the family history together - as an amateur! I do not have family
> trees - these might come later. Your information will take some digesting
> and thought!
>
> I have an aunt who would on numerous occasions, I suspect, have met John
> Albert and Annie.
>
> Your details tie in with my Aunt's comments to me. We have, somewhere I
> believe, the newspaper obituaries for John and the road accident for Annie.
> I have recently seen a postcard from the raisin(?) HQ plus a photo of a
> national radio club. (I do not know where in Fresno this was taken. Any
> thoughts?)
>
> The Hawksworth family was from Staunton. John Albert was brought up in
> Staunton. Staunton is an area of non-conformists, strong religious beliefs,
> somewhat alternative thinking - it is a community set up by Chartist
> beliefs/followers. The Hawksworths were at the inception of the Chartist
> community, and had a number of Chartist properties.
>
> My great grandmother was Alice Watts. The Watts were local farmers, and
> land owners. The Watts had mixed in the highest echelons of UK society.
> However, John Watts lived opposite Alice (in a Chartist home), her sister
> Jane lived nearby. Possibly in a Chartist property (?)
>
> My Aunt has previously told me
>
> "John
> [John Albert Poytress]
> and his brother had both gone out to USA. John lost his wife in child
> birth. He returned to UK and visited Ma's family. He met and fell in love
> with Annie - daughter of Ma's sister Jane. John married her and took her to
> Fresno. (This suggests the marriage was at Staunton). Annie was the eldest
> of five children."
>
> "Jane was married to Will Hopkins. Jane and Will subsequently went out to
> Fresno. This is the Uncle Will on Wesley (my grandfather) immigration
> record from Staunton of 1929."
>
> " John was in American Colony. Uncle Will was in Easton. Uncle Will lost
> three bungalows in fires, John had a two storey house next door to the
> farm, this was also lost by fire."
>
> " John's wife was killed in a motor accident"
>
> My grandfather, Wesley, had a brother William. He left Staunton in 1914.
> His Draft Card has him as "Declared" and working as a farmer, for J.A
> Poytress, Route 6(?) Box 62, Fresno, California. I think Will may have left
> UK to run one of John's farms. In doing so he avoided WW1. This may have
> benn because of religuous/pacifist beliefs.
>
> Wesley left Staunton, with his sister Mabel, for Fresno in 1915. His Draft
> Card has has him as a farm labourer for Chas Dack, R.R.H. Box196, Fresno.
>
> I do not know if any of the above can be verified, or if it is of any
> interest to anyone in USA? Over to you on these queries!
>
> There is information coming to light from my Aunt - a remarkable, active
> 90+ years old, and an Uncle also with a remarkable memory and 90+ years
> old. I will speak further with my Aunt and Uncle.
>
> Kind Regards
> Steve
>
>
Patrick and all -
I'm copying the below info about LaGrange Female College that you found, to
our Poythress List of subscribers, since you only sent it to me, so it will
be find-able later by anyone interested.
I'm glad you are continuing to search for info on Sarah Ann Simpson, who
came at age 15 from England to America with her family, and who married in
about 1851 or so, Russell King Poythress in LaGrange, Troup County, Georgia
[son of Joseph A Poythress & Mary King].
The below info you found about what is now a college, and in the 1800s
began as LaGrange Female Academy, certainly fits with Sarah Simpson having
come south to Georgia from Philadelphia to be Music Teacher at this school,
of which the above-mentioned Joseph Poythress was one of the founders.
I hope you will share with our entire Poythress List, in an email, a
summary from your collected info on Sarah.
I just realized that I should also share with you, in case you have not
seen it, the below 1880 Census of Troup County, Georgia, entry for the
household of Russell Poythress. You and I have noted that Sarah's 1900
Census entry, in Fort Worth, Tarrant County, Texas, with their son Joseph
listed Sarah as "widowed." As I earlier noted, I have not found any
indication of when Russell had died or was buried. But it is interesting
to see that in 1880, Russell identified himself to the Census taker as
"widowed." Of course, we must keep in mind that divorce, and/or desertion
of a spouse, were both very much frowned down upon, so it would have been
far more acceptable to be identified as a widow or a widower. Interesting
that both Russell and his brother William B, are listed as widowers. I have
not found any indication of a marriage, or the death or burial, for William
B.
Family Search indexes Russel Poythress' household as number 3847, in
Harrisonville, Troup Co, GA, from FHL Film 1254167, National Archives Film
T9-0167 Page 543A:
- Russel POYTHRESS, (Relationship to head-of-household) Self, M(ale),
W(idowed), W(hite), age 57, b.GA, Fa b.GA, Mo b.GA;
- Charley POYTHRESS, Son, M(ale), S(ingle), W(hite), age 26, b.GA, Fa
b.GA, Mo b.GA
- William B POYTHRESS, (relationship to head of hh) Other [note: this is
his brother], M(ale), W(idowed), W(hite), age 61, b.GA, Fa b.GA, Mo b.GA
Patrick Vaughan wrote on 21 Feb 2014:
There is a digital image of the LaGrange Female College 'Catalogue' for
1890/91 at
https://archive.org/details/LaGrange_College_Catalog_1890-91
It shows that the Music Faculty in that year was composed of 6 staff.
Music clearly was a big thing in that community (training for leading
church choirs etc.).
It's 40 years later that Sarah's first arrival in LaGrange, but probably
does represent what she may have been doing professionally c.1870.
AND:
There is also an earlier Catalogue from 1881/2 - which I found later. 4
Faculty in the Music Dept - 3 of them women.
Hi Stephen - It's great to hear from you, and I'm so sorry that this
response is coming to you so late -- 12 days after your initial email to
me, at my old and seldom-used email account. Today I did my monthly check
of the old account and saw your email, and forwarded it here to my current
account, barbpoy.neal(a)gmail.com
I'm copying on this email the subscribers to our Poythress List of
researchers. Our free subscription list has been less active in recent
years, but a number of us have worked together since the mid-1990s trying
to research Poythress / Poytress folk. We have a website for Poythress
researchers, at poythress.net, maintained by one of our volunteer Poythress
descendants in his available free time, though he is still fully employed
at a demanding job that keeps him from having much time to regularly devote
to the website. There is a link at the website to help anyone wishing to
subscribe to the emails of the Poythress List -- and I guarantee they are
not so numerous or frequent that they would drown your email In-Box.
The emails of our Poythress list [which emails cannot have attached files]
since the mid 1990s are automatically archived at a rootsweb website which
is easily searchable by anyone on the internet; a link to searching it is
at the top of our website, giving 2 ways to search the archives -- either
by a specific word or name, or by browsing the emails chronologically.
Thanks to google map I see that Staunton, which you mention in your email
as the location that 3 Hawksworth family members left in 1914-1915, to come
to Fresno, California, is located in Gloucestershire.
Gloucstershire is where it appears Francis Poytress /Poythress [using the
spelling now most prevalent here in the US among his descendants] was
christened in 1609 -- at St Mary's Church, Newent. Francis was a factor,
or agent, for a London merchant, here in Virginia by 1633. Info about
Francis and early documents in Virginia, can be seen at our above-mentioned
website.
I know from info shared by a Poytress researcher in England, that Francis'
father was a John, and that Francis had a brother, Christopher, who stayed
in England, and presume that through the resulting 11 generations (or more
by now) of Poytress-surnamed poeple in England, most if not all would be
related somehow to Francis who was in Virginia by 1633.
The info I have from that descendancy line (which may also be in one or
more Poythress List email archived], does not trace down all the Poytress
lines from Christopher, and the one line of the Poytress descendants in
England which I've seen does not include the below-mentioned father of the
fellow who came to Fresno, CA in June 1891.
I would greatly welcome learning from you if you know more re the English
forebears of the fellow who came to Fresno than what is shown in the
below-mentioned 2 resources.
Though I'll summarize below, I strongly encourage you to check more info re
why John Albert Poythress came to Fresno, CA, and re his life there, in a
local history book compiled in 1919 by Paul E Vandor, and published then in
Los Angeles; the portion of the book re the Poytress family is posted on
the internet at:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cagha/biographies/p/poytress-j-a.txt
>From that, and from piecing together other info in the US, I'll summarize
here that:
John Albert Poytress was born 10 March 1871 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire,
England, as the fourth oldest of seven children born to his father John,
who died in 1909 [sic; a site in England, copied below, had father's burial
in 1908], and his mother, Mary Ann Cooper [presumably her maiden name], who
died in 1910. It states that his parents were farmers in Gloucestershire.
John Albert Poytress immigrated from Gloucester in June 1891.
In September 1893, he married Mary Wells at Easton, CA, which is just to
the south side of Fresno.
According to the 1900 Census, as I transcribed it from an image of the
page, viewed at FamilySearch.org:
1900 US Population Census, 4th Judicial Township of Fresno County, CA;
Supervisor's District 5, Enumeration District 11, Sheet 7-B, enumerated 13
June 1900 by A.E.Balch, Dwelling 151, Family 152, Lines 75-77 (only the
following 3 people in the household/family):
- Poytress, John A., head, white, male, born Mar 1871, age 29, married 6
yrs, born England, father born England, mother born England, immigrated to
US in 1891, 9 yrs in US, Naturalized citizen, occupation fruit grower, 0
months unemployed, can read, can write, can speak English, owns farm,
mortgaged, Farm, 132 is the number of his farm on the Census Farm Schedule
- Poytress, Mary, wife, white, female, born Sept 1867, age 32, married 6
yrs, mother of 1 child, 1 child living, born England, father born England,
mother born England, immigrated to US in 1893, 7 yrs in US, (naturalization
status is a squiggle that probably means Not Applicable since she gets her
immigration status from her husband), can read, can write, can speak English
- Poytress, Eleanor M. [Mary], daughter, white, female, born July 1894,
age 5, single, born California, father born England, mother born England,
attended school 4 months
In June 1909, after John's wife Mary had died, he married Annie Hopkins,
who was born in Gloucester, England. Presumably they married in Fresno Co,
CA, though their place of marriage is not mentioned in Vandor's book, which
named her as "Miss Annie Hopkins" though the 1910 Census-taker showed "M-2"
for each of them, signifying second marriage, and showed they had been
married "0" years [thus they married after 15 April 1909]. The census
indicates that Annie and her sister Alice Hopkins [in the same household]
immigrated to the US in about April or May of 1909, apparently with their
brother, Harry Hopkins, sister-in-law, Florence L, and niece, Ivy G, age 12
months as of 1910 Census [They lived in the household next door].
We know from the obit of Roderick John Poytress, who lived 18 Sep 1919 to
13 Jun 2003, that he was "the eldest son, and last surviving sibling, of
eight children born to J A Poytress and Annie Hopkins."
While it's possible that her name may have been Annie Ellen Hopkins (since
in the 1920 census John's wife was listed as "Ellen") I have seen no record
listing her middle name. It seems more probable to me that the 1920
census-taker misunderstood and mistakenly wrote John's wife's name as
Ellen, conflating info re his wife, Annie nee Hopkins, with the name of
John's eldest daughter (from his earlier marriage), Eleanor, who at age 25
may well have been in the household in Jan 1920 helping her stepmother,
Annie, with 4-month old Roderick.
John Albert Poytress had 6 more children, all of whom are now deceased.
>From the Birmingham, England area website, Perry Barr & Beyond, the
following two entries were located for the father of John Albert Poytress,
named John Poytress:
- POYTRESS, JOHN - Malthouse Cottages: BURIED St. Johns 17th November 1908
aged 70
- POYTRESS, JOHN - 1901 Census [taken as of 31 March], Born Tirley, Glos,
aged 62, living Perry Barr, Market Gardener
Thanks again so much for getting in touch, Stephen. I look forward to any
additional info you may have on the English Poytress connections for the
above John Poytress, buried at St Johns 17 Nov 1908 at age 70.
Kind regards,
Barbara
> From: S C Hawksworth Ltd
>
> <schawksworth(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
> Sent: Feb 9, 2014 12:47 PM
> Subject: Poytress family
>
> Hello Barbara
> I was wondering if this is the John Poytres with a connection with
> Staunton, England.
>
> John Poytress employed William Hawksworth as a farmer in Fresno in 1914.
> William, Wesley and Mabel Hawksworth travelled from Staunton to Fresno
> 1914-1915.
>
> Kind Regards
> Stephen Hawksworth
>
> AND Stephen also wrote, in his message to get beyond the spam-filter on
my old earthlink email account:
Message: *My family were related to the Poytress family, and employed by
John Poytress*
<http://webmail.earthlink.net/wam/msg.jsp?folder=EarthLink+Services.spamBl...>
Further below is burial info for various members of the extended family of
Joseph Poythress & his wife Mary King.
At the top here, is info re the deaths of the 2 Missouri sons of Henry C
[or E] Poythress [the 2nd son of Russell K Poythress] -- the Missouri
nephews of Joe Poythress, of the 1922 Probate record in Tarrant Co, TX:
- From the Social Security Death Index: Frank Poythress, b.20 Dec 1906;
d.27 Mar 1997; zip of last residence 65713 (Niangua, Webster Co, MO); his
Social Security # was issued in MO.
- I was amazed to find that the Frank's brother, Albert, actually died in
Georgia! even though, as shown further below, he was buried in Missouri:
GA Death Index 1933-1998, indexed at FamilySearch as follows [no image was
yet available when I found this]: Albert Poythress, d.23 Dec 1983 in
Laurens Co, GA, age 74, white male, Certificate 45225
FindAGrave.com is a very helpful free website. At its homepage, on the
right side of it, you can "Search 112 million grave records" OR the next
choice is "Search for a cemetery" [notations below in square brackets are
mine].
Many members of this extended family have FindAGrave memorials posted,
thanks to many dedicated volunteers across the country.
In LaGrange, Troup Co, GA:
-- At the original Hillview Cemetery, LaGrange, Troup Co, GA:
- Joseph Poythress, b.[no date indicated; estimate he was born about
1788]; d.14 Apr 1853; buried at Hillview Cemetery, LaGrange, Troup Co, GA.
FindAGrave Memorial# 95403842, created by Sharon Frank Patrick, posted 15
Aug 2012 [no photo of marker] His Memorial is linked to his wife:
- Mary Poythress [wife of above Joseph; her maiden name was King], b.30
Jun 1798; d.29 Sep 1854; buried at Hillview Cemetery, LaGrange, Troup Co,
GA. FindAGrave Memorial # 95403870, created by Sharon Frank Patrick, posted
15 Aug 2012 [no photo of marker] Her Memorial is linked to her son:
- John H Poythress [4th child of Joseph & Mary above; his middle name was
Hardiman or Hardaman] , b.18 May 1826; d.24 Feb 1846; buried at Hillview
Cemetery, LaGrange, Troup Co, GA. FindAGrave Memorial # 95403892, created
by Sharon Frank Patrick, posted 15 Aug 2012 [no photo of marker] His
Memorial is linked to his mother, above.
- Mary L nee Poythress Barnard [BPN NOTE: This is Mary Lorena nee
Poythress, daughter of Russell's younger brother Frank, who was born 4 Apr
1836 & died 2 Oct 1859, and Frank's wife Caroline nee Ware; after Frank
died Caroline married John T Gay in 1863], b.3 Sep 1856; d.10 Sep 1887;
buried at Hillview Cemetery, LaGrange, Troup Co, GA. FindAGrave Memorial #
95032781, created by Sharon Frank Patrick, posted 8 Aug 2012 [photo of her
impressive marker, showing her as: Mary L Poythress / Wife of J.M. Barnard
/ Born Sept 3, 1856 / Died Sept 10, 1887, is included]. Mary L's Memorial
is linked to her husband:
- John M Barnard, b.2 Mar 1848; d.20 May 1919; buried at Hillview
Cemetery, LaGrange, Troup Co, GA. FindAGrave Memorial # 95495591, created
by Sharon Frank Patrick, posted 17 Aug 2012 [photo of his impressive
marker, which shows no dates, is included] His Memorial is linked to his
wife (above). Memorial also includes this info: Contributor Judy K.
Brantley/Wilson (#46578531), states that the city records are incorrect and
provided the dates shown on the memorial. City records provided by the
sexton have that he died 30 May 1919. Major cavalry battalion; cotton mill
manager; railroad and express agent.
-- And at Hillview East Cemetery [apparently an expansion of the original,
above], LaGrange, Troup Co, GA, 6 more Poythress names:
- Charles E Poythress [son of Russell K Poythress], b.27 Sep 1852; d.10
Sep 1918; buried Hillview East Cemetery, LaGrange, Troup Co, GA. FindAGrave
Memorial # 94692666, created by Sharon Frank Patrick, posted 02 Aug 2012
[no photo of marker; no links to other burials]
- Martha E Poythress [nee Evans; wife of Charles E Poythress], b.6 Apr
1855; d.24 Sep 1926; buried Hillview East Cemetery, LaGrange, Troup Co, GA.
FindAGrave Memorial # 96317188, created by Sharon Frank Patrick, posted 31
Aug 2012 [no photo of marker; no links to other burials]
- Edward T Poythress [Sr; son of above Charles E & Martha E], b.5 Jun
1881; d.13 Dec 1927; buried Hillview East Cemetery, LaGrange, Troup Co, GA.
FindAGrave Memorial # 96317265, created by Sharon Frank Patrick, posted 31
Aug 2012 [no photo of marker; no links to other burials]
- Eunice Augustua [sic] 'Gussie' Poythress [wife of Edward T Sr, above],
b.1 Dec 1888; d.26 Feb 1977; buried Hillview East Cemetery, LaGrange, Troup
Co, GA. FindAGrave Memorial # 96317294, created by Sharon Frank Patrick,
posted 31 Aug 2012 [no photo of marker; no links to other burials]
- Edward T Poythress [Jr; son of above Edward T Sr], b.1910; d.1985 "died
in Panama City, FL [Florida]"; buried Hillview East Cemetery, LaGrange,
Troup Co, GA. FindAGrave Memorial # 96317250, created by Sharon Frank
Patrick, posted 31 Aug 2012 [no photo of marker; no links to other burials]
- Margaret Edith Poythress [logic tells me she would be wife of Edward T
Jr, but I have not tested that theory in other records such as Census],
b.18 Dec 1911; d.2 Oct 1983; buried Hillview East Cemetery, LaGrange, Troup
Co, GA. FindAGrave Memorial # 96317213, created by Sharon Frank Patrick,
posted 31 Aug 2012 [no photo of marker; no links to other burials]
And in Texas:
- Joe Poythress, b.1859; d.1922; buried at Mount Olivet Cemetery in Section
2 Early Settlers; Ft Worth; Tarrant Co, TX. FindAGrave Memorial # 7540754,
created by MichelleW, posted 5 Jun 2003; includes photo of his grave marker.
And in Missouri -- the bottom 2 females here are mysteries to me; I'm sure
they are related somehow, if not to these Poythress folk, then to others,
but HOW?
- Henry C Poythress [2nd son of Russell K Poythress], b.26 Oct 1855
Georgia, USA; d.27 Jan 1916 Webster Co, MO; buried at Mount Olive Cemetery,
Crown, Webster Co, MO [His FindAGrave Memorial entry notes that his
gravemarker has dates 20 Oct 1855 - 28 Feb 1915]. Memorial # 43351030,
created by JHarrison, posted 20 Oct 2009; includes photo of his grave
marker. His FindAGrave Memorial also cites: "death certif info: Henry age
60 years, 3 months. passed away in West Dallas Township. Married. Farmer.
Parents R. K. Poythress of Georgia & Sarah Simpson born in England.
Informant Joe Poythress of Fort Worth, Texas. Burial Jan. 28, 1916"
- Mary [sic; her gravemarker shows her first name as "May" -- This is the
wife of Henry C Poythress] Maniza Poythress, b.4 Jul 1870; d.25 Apr 1936;
buried at Mount Olive Cemetery, Crown, Webster Co, MO. FindAGrave Memorial
# 115278798, created by AndyMyers, posted 11 Aug 2013; includes photo of
her grave marker.
- Frank Poythress [1st son of Henry C Poythress, who was the 2nd son of
Russell K Poythress], b.20 Dec 1906, d.27 Mar 1997; buried at Mount Olive
Cemetery, Crown, Webster Co, MO. FindAGrave Memorial # 115278901, created
by AndyMyers, posted 11 Aug 2013; includes photo of his grave marker.
- Albert Poythress [2nd son of Henry C Poythress, who was the 2nd son of
Russell K Poythress], b.1 Aug 1909; d.23 Dec 1983; buried at Marshfield
Cemetery, Marshfield, Webster Co, MO. FindAGrave Memorial # 116586121,
created by Debbie Clardy, posted 5 Sep 2013; includes photo of his grave
marker.
- Lottie C Poythress, b.9 Feb 1908; d.22 May 1980; buried at Marshfield
Cemetery, Marshfield, Webster Co, MO. FindAGrave Memorial # 116586134,
created by Debbie Clardy, posted 5 Sep 2013; includes photo of her grave
marker.
- Hattie Poythress, b.unknown; d. Sep 1901; buried at Calvary Cemetery and
Mausoleum, Saint Louis City, MO. FindAGrave Memorial # 47418477, created
by T.V.F.T.H. posted 1 Feb 2010.
1860 Troup Co, GA Census
- Dwelling 324, Family 294, Houston Post Office, Pools Mills, Troup Co,
GA, p.46 [handwritten in upper right corner], p.220 [handwritten at upper
left] enumerated 11 June 1860:
- Poythress, R. K., age 37, male, [occupation blank], real estate
valuation $2,000, personal estate $25,000 valuation, b.GA [Bpn notes that
in the Timeline for the family of Joseph & Mary Poythress prepared by
Maynard Poythress, Maynard noted that in the 1860 Census R K Poythress
owned 31 slaves -- thus the personal estate valuation]
- S.A. age 30, female, born England;
- C.E. [Bpn note: Charles E] age 8, male, born GA;
- Henry, age 6, male, born GA;
- Kate, age 4, female, born GA [Kate is clearly listed as age 4, in spite
of the fact that Johnson's Troup Co, GA volume listed her as born 1858, and
in spite of the Timeline prepared by Maynard Poythress, in which the 1860
Census entry for this family's household mistakenly indicated that her age
was shown as 6, likely a typographical error]
- Joseph, age 1, male, born GA.
1870 Census for LaGrange, Troup Co, GA, Page 10 [handwritten page #];
Dwelling 105, Family 105, Lines 32-37, enumerated on 1 June [corrected from
"2 June" earlier written]
- Poythress, R.R. [should be R.K; this is Russell King Poythress, son of
Joseph Poythress & Mary King], 47 M W Farmer, $1,000 real estate [no
personal estate value listed] b.GA
- [Poythress], S.A. age 38, F W Music Teacher [Note: taught music at
LaGrange Female College], $2,000 personal estate, b.England, father and
mother foreign born
- [Poythress], C.E. [note: Charles E., b. 27 Sep 1852 Troup Co], 17 M W
Farming, b.GA, mother foreign born, attended school within the year
- [Poythress], H.E. 14, M W b.GA, mother foreign born, attended school
within the year
- [Poythress], Kate 12 F W b.GA, mother foreign born, attended school
within the year
- [Poythress], Jos. [Note: Joseph], 11, M W b.GA, mother foreign born,
attended school within the year
Bpn preface note: Years ago, before much (if any) info on Poythress people
in Texas or Missouri was viewable online, I saw indexed an Estate for a Joe
Poythress in Texas, in Tarrant County (the county in which Ft Worth is
located). I ordered a copy of all the contents of the Estate file (really
2 associated files) in hopes of figuring out which Poythress line was
involved, and from which earlier state (since so many early settlers had
"gone west" when they had exhausted their land and new land was available
farther west). Eventually the documents arrived, and I was amazed to see
his line went back to Georgia, and that in the documents he named nephews
from 2 of his brothers, thus tying the family together quite well. Warning:
this is long -- more than 6 pages as a Word document with narrow margins.
Any notations in square brackets [like these] are my own. I hope this all
fits within the size-limit of emails to our Poythress List of subscribers.
I highly recommend printing off the entire email to be able to go back and
forth between the documents, over a cup of caffeine.
=
Probate Court Tarrant Co, TX in the matter of the Estate of Joe Poythress,
deceased, Cause No. 1922-7696 and associated Guardianship Cause 1922-8919
for his nephews Frank Franklin Poythress & Albert Joe Poythress, his minor
heirs residing in Fordland, Webster Co, Missouri with their mother, Mrs.
Manisa Poythress (widow of Joe's brother Henry Poythress)
Testator: Joseph (son of RK) POYTHRESS
Filed 23 Oct 1922
Loose Old Probate Records, Tarrant Co, TX
Copies of both these Loose Record files were received 26 Sep 2009, after
they had to be ordered Tarrant County, Texas Probate Court Clerk's Office,
Bryan L Thomas, Civil Records Administrator, who had to order them from
their Old Records:
- Cause No. 1922-7696 Estate of Joe Poythress
- Cause No. 1922-8919 Guardianship of Frank Poythress (& Albert Joe
Poythress)
= =
- Cause No. 1922-7696 Estate of Joe Poythress:
- in Cause No.7696: packet shows Application for Probate of Will, Codicil
&c filed Oct 23, 1922 in Book B-105, p.236
[Will 12 July 1920]
State of Texas
County of Tarrant: Know all men by these presents; That I -- Joe
Poythress, of Fort Worth, Tarrant County, Texas, being of sound and
disposing mind and memory, and knowing the uncertainty of life and the
certainty of death do make and publish this my last Will and Testament, in
words and figures as follows; and hereby revoking all Wills heretofore made
my me.
First.
I give and bequeath unto my two Nephews, Frank Franklin Poythress and
Albert Poythress of Fordland, Missouri, the farm upon which they are now
living in the State of Missouri, share and share alike, and in case either
one does prior to my decease or prior to their attaining the age of Twenty
One years, the survivor is to be entitled to the whole of said farm. [Bpn
note: these were sons of Joe Poythress' brother Henry Poythress & Manisa
Young; Henry had died 27 Jan 1916 and was buried at Mt Olive Cemetery,
Fordland, Webster Co, MO per his death certificate]
Second.
It is my wish and I so direct that Mrs. Manisa Poythress, the mother of
said above named Nephews, is to have full care and custody of all of the
farm herein bequeathed to them until each of them arrive at the age of
Twenty One years.
Third.
I give and bequeath unto my Aunt Mrs. I. Hulsman [here is inserted above
the line "Philadelphia, Pa"] the sum of ($2,000.00) Two Thousand Dollars,
providing however that she survives me, and in case she dies prior to my
decease then this bequest is to go as burther directed herein. [Bpn note:
Mrs. Isabella Hulsmann, per the 1880 Census in Pottsville, Schuylkill Co,
PA, was born 1846 in England, where Sara A. nee Simpson, mother of Joe
Poythress was also born. Mrs. Hulsmann's husband Gehard Hulsmann, of that
same 1880 Census, was born in 1814 in Germany. A Philadelphia City Death
Certificate shows that Gerhard Hulsmann died at age 78 on 14 Jan 1892 of
Bronchitis & Bright's Disease at Pottsville, PA and was buried at Woodlands
Cemetery.]
Fourth.
I give and bequeath unto my nephews, E.T. Poythress [Bpn note: aka Edward
T. Poythress, Sr.] and Charles Henry Poythress of LaGrange, Georgia [Bpn
note: these were sons of Joe Poythress' brother Charles E. Poythress &
Martha E Evans; Charles had died 10 Sep 1918 and was buried at Hillview
Cemetery, LaGrange, Troup Co, GA], and my Nephews Frank Franklin Poythress
and Albert Poythress, of Fordland Missouri, share and share alike, all the
rest and residue of whatever estate I may die seized and possessed of,
Real, Personal and Mixed, including life insurance in the Maccabees, and to
include the bequest of Two Thousand Dollars herein bequeathed unto my Aunt
Mrs. I. Hulsman, in case she dies prior to my decease.
Fifth.
It is my desire and I so direct that no action be had in the Probate
Court other than to Probate this my Last Will and Testamnt and file an
inventory and appraisement of my estate therein.
Sixth.
It is my desire and I so direct that E.T. Poythress of LaGrange, Georgia,
be nominated and appointed Executor of this my last will and testament and
that he be required to give no bond therefor.
Seventh.
It is my desire and I so direct that in case of the death of any Legatee
under the Fourth Subdivision prior to my decease, then the portion devised
to any such is to go to their children, in case they have children, but in
case they have no children, then it is to go to those surviving of the
legatees named herein, share and share alike.
Witness my hand this the 12th day of July 1920.
(signed) Joe Poythress
And we, the witnesses requested to sign our names as witnesses herein by
the testator Joe Poythress, each being over the age of 21 years, hereto
affix our signatures as such witnesses on the request of said testator,
after the foregoing instrument had been reduced to writing and read over to
said testator and after he had declared same to be his Last Will and
Testament and requested us to sign same as witnesses and we signed same in
his presence and in the presence of each other.
Witness our hands this the 12th day of July 1920.
(signed) B.H.Smith
(signed) J.W. Price
(signed) J.L. Morris
=
- in Cause No.7696:
[Codicil 20 June 1922]
State of Texas
County of Tarrant: Whereas, I, -- Joe Poythress of the County of Tarrant
and State of Texas have heretofore made my last will, and bearing date of
July __ 1920,: Now I do by this writing, which I declare to be a Codicil to
my said will, to be taken as a part thereof, hereby ratifying and
confirming my said last will save in so far as this codicil changes it, as
follows to wit;
I give and bequeath unto Mrs Annie Burns the house and lot situated at
1611 Alston Avenue and being Lot 12 Block "B" Bellevue Hill Addition to
Fort Worth, Tarrant County, Texas, together with all the household and
kitchen furniture contained in building on said premises, save and except
some few relics, spoons and so forth, that are left as shown hereafter.
[Bpn note: In the 1920 Census for Fort Worth, Tarrant Co, TX, widow Mrs.
Annie Burns and her family were renters in the home owned by Joe Poythress,
where he resided, at 1611 Alston Ave.]
It is my desire that all the money I may have in the bank at Fordland,
Webster County, Missouri, be paid to my nephews Frank and Albert Poythress
as soon as possible after my decease and without any legal procedings had
to obtain same.
It is my desire that the old family relics and spoons [here, inserted by
hand above the line is: "and my Personal effects"] now in my possession be
bequeathed unto my [here, inserted by hand above the line is "nephew" and
marked out is the portion of the typed line which had originally read: "two
nephews Charles Henry and"] E.T. Poythress, Sr.
In case E.T. Poythress, Sr. dies prior to myself, It is my desire and I
so direct that all of my estate bequeathed to him, said E.T. Poythress, Sr.
be bequeathed unto his two sons E.T. and Joe Henry Poythress.
With the exception of the changes made in this my codicil, all the
bequests as made in my said last will are to stand as written therein.
As my Nephew E.T. Poythress, Sr. is now bedridden and will be unable to
attend to the duties of Independent Executor of my said last will, It is my
desire and I so direct that H.L. Pattie of Fort Worth, Tarrant County,
Texas, be nominated and appointed as Independent Executor of this my last
will and codicil and that nothing be required of him save to Probate this
my last will and codicil and inventory and appraise my said estate and file
same in Probate Court, and I further direct that no bond shall ever be
required of him as my said Independent Executor.
Witness my hand this the 20th day of June 1922.
[here, written in handwriting preceding his signature is the statement "I
want a plain and inExpensive funeral" with the "in" of the word
"inexpensive" being very hard to read]
(signed) Joe Poythress
Witnesses.
(signed) B.C. Callaway
(signed) E.W. Evans
=
- in Cause No.7696: packet for "Proof of Will" shows Filed Nov 8, 1922 in
Book B-105, p.240
- Witness R.H. Smith [Bpn note: we learn from a below document that R.H.
Smith was an attorney; he represented H.L. Pattie who had been named by Joe
Poythress to be his Executor, and who filed for Probate of the will]
appeared in court on 8 Nov 1922, testifying that he knew Joe Poythress for
about 20 yrs before his death on 20 Oct 1922, about 2 yrs after making his
will dated Jul 12, 1920 which Smith witnessed in the presence of the
deceased and witnesses J.W. Price & J.L. Morris.
=
- in Cause No.7696: packet for "Proof of Codicil" shows Filed Nov 8, 1922,
in Book B-105, p.241
- Witnesses E.W. Evans & B.C. Calloway appeared in court on 8 Nov 1922,
testifying that they knew Joe Poythress for about 1 and 10 yrs before his
death on 20 Oct 1922, about 2 mo. after making Codicil to will dated Jun
20, 1922 which they witnessed in the presence of the deceased and each
other.
=
- in Cause No.7696: label on back of folded document reads:
In-Re Estate of Joe Poythress, deceased
H.L. Pattie, applicant for Probate of will
[written by hand at bottom of that folded panel shows:] Filed Oct 23, 1923,
in Book B-105, p.236.
- in Cause No.7696: front of typed document reads:
State of Texas
County of Tarrant: Probate Court, Tarrant County, Texas.
Now comes H.L. Pattie, applicant who resides in aforesaid County and
State, and makes application for the probate of the written will and
codicil of Joe Poythress, deceased and for such application says:
-1- That the name of the testator is Joe Poythress, who died a resident
citizen of Tarrant County, Texas October 21st 1922, at his residence in
said county and state.
-2- That said deceased's residence was in such county and that he left a
large estate mostly situated in Tarrant County, Texas.
-3- That his estate consisted of money, money obligations and real
estate of the probably value of $30,000.00
-4- That H.L. Pattie is named as independent executor without bond and
that he resides in Tarrant County, Texas.
-5- That such executor is not disqualified by law from accepting letters.
-6- That said written will and said codicil are filed herewith.
Wherefor applicant prays for citation as required by law and for such
other matter as provided by law for probate of wills where estate is over
$1,000.00 and for such other relief as by law and equity the case is
entitled to and general and special relief.
(signed) R.H. Smith, Attorney for applicant
=
- in Cause No.7696: packet (or back of legal form?) label shows: issued
23 Oct 1922 and filed in Book B-105, p.239. Noted at the bottom of the
label is name & address: R.H. Smith 2021 N Main St.
- in Cause No.7696: The legal form, "Notice of Application for Probate of
Will" gives notice To all persons interested in the estate of Joe Poythress
Deceased, H.L. Pattie has filed in the County Court of Tarrant County,
Texas, an application to probate the will and codicil of Joe Poythress,
deceased, which will be heard at the next term of said Court, commencing
the first Monday in November, 1922, at the Court House thereof, in the City
of Fort Worth, at which time all persons interested in said estate may
appear and contest said application, should they desire to do so.
- in Cause No.7696: Sheriff's Return dated 23 Oct 1922, and the
accompanying Affidavit of Publication dated 2 Nov 1922, show that
advertised twice (on Oct 25, 1922 and Nov 1, 1922) in the Fort Worth Daily
Live Stock Reporter, a newspaper of general circulation, was the required
Legal Notice regarding Probate of the estate of Joe Poythress in Tarrant
Co, TX. Copies of the darkened newspaper clippings were too dark to read in
their entirety, but they appeared to just be a general notice for the
benefit of anyone having an interest in the estate.
=
- in Cause No.7696: form appointing H.L. Pattie on 8 Nov 1922 as
independent executor, and ordering appraisal of the estate by E.W. Evans,
B.C. Calloway, and C.T. Prewitt.
=
- in Cause No.7696: Oath of Executor, back showing filed Nov 8, 1922 in
Book B-105, p.242: on the form, it shows H.L. Pattie solemnly swore on 8
Nov 1922 that the writing offered for probate was the last will and codicil
of Joe Poythress so far as he knew & that he would well & truly perform all
the duties of Executor.
=
- in Cause No.7696: label on back of folded document shows it is the
Inventory and Appraisement, filed Nov 8, 1922, in Book B-105, p.506
- in Cause No.7696: front of document:
Inventory and Appraisement
No.7696 Estate of Joe Poythress, deceased. In County Court of Tarrant
County, Texas
Inventory and appraisement of the estate of Joe Poythress, deceased,
produced before the undersigned appraisors, on the 8th day of November
1922, by H.L. Pattie, Executor of said Will and Codicil of the Estate of
Joe Poythress, deceased.
Joe Poythress, deceased having been a bachelor.
[In the inventory & appraisement, are 3 pieces of real estate:
-- $1,800 -- Lot 50 by 125 ft / Block 5 Van Zandts [likely in Ft Worth]
-- $1,500 -- SW 1/4 of NW 1/4 of Sec.32 Twp 22 R 18 in Webster Co, MO [the
farm he left to his nephews Frank F. Poythress & Albert Joe Poythress]
-- $4,000 -- Lot 12 Block B Bellevue Hghts Add. [the Ft Worth residence
address where he lived when he died, which he left to his renter Mrs. Annie
Burns]
[Notes payable to Joe Poythress listed included two Judgments, listed at
top here:]
-- $213.12 [from date] May 20th, 1909: Joe Poythress, Judgment vs J.F.
Dunlap [the following is likely the legal reference to a matter handled by
a Justice of the Peach] 13.632 J.P.
-- $1,000 [no date or location] Joe Poythress vs. Minnie I Evans et al:
Judgment and liens on valueless real estate
[other notes listed:]
-- $800[? hard to read amt since typed on fold & paper not flat when
copied] Walter B Morgan dated Nov 1, 1918 [or 1916?]
-- $1,500 Mrs. Joe W Burney, widow, two notes both dated Jul 7 1922, one
for $1,000 & one $500, both due 1 year from date
-- $150.45 John [H or M or N] Darter Nov 20, 1920 which was due 6 mo after
date
-- $1,500 Elmer Stinnett & Ella Stinnett dated Jun 25, 1918 due Jun 25,
1923
-- $285.37 Andy Nelson 9/19/1920
-- $650 Andy Nelson 11/13/1918 Extended 1 year if int. pd.
-- $200 Joe L Carter Jul 27/22 [1922] Secured by Auto 60 days
-- $50 M A Gentry Sep 20/22 [1922] Secured by Victrola &ct
[The following notes are all "Secured V.L." with no indication of what/who
V.L. stands for]
-- $1200 C L Machett May 15/22 [1922]
-- $1702.86 Lamar Whaley Mar 5/20 [1920]
-- $573.57 Conrad Schmitt Sr. Jul 1/19 [1919]
-- $13.83 C.M. Jones & Cynthia Jones May 27/16 [1916]
-- $1351.85 C.L. Monk & J.D. Brumbeler Aug 7/19 [1919]
-- $420.71 Frank M. Cloud Apr 29/18 [1918]
-- $746.18 W.M. Thompson Apr 16/19 [1919]
[other assets listed:]
-- $46.31 - 11 Savings Certificates 4.27 each
-- ___ 1 Interest coupon 4th Liberty bond B00252582
-- $30.38 Cash on hand Silver 9.38 Gold 8.00 Currency 13.00
-- $248.34 Cash in Bank
["$19,201.97" is the handwritten total, though the above figures do not add
up to exactly that amount.]
We, the undersigned appraisers, solemnly swear that the foregoing is a
full and fair appraisement of the estate of Joe Poythress, deceased
produced before by the executor.
(signed) B.C. Callaway; E.W. Grant; C.J. Prewitt
Sworn to and subscribed to before me, this the 8th day of November 1922
(signed) R.H.Smith, Notary Public, Tarrant Co, Texas
I, -- H.L. Pattie do solemnly swear that the foregoing inventory and
list is a full and complete inventory and list of the property and claims
of Joe Poythress deceased, that have come to my knowledge. (signed) H.L.
Pattie
Sworn to and subscribed to before me, this the 8th day of November 1922
(signed) R.H.Smith, Notary Public, Tarrant Co, Texas
=
- in Cause No.7696: Order dated Nov 8, 1922 showing the Court approved the
inventory & appraisement
= = =
- Cause No. 1922-8919 included the following sheets:
-- Application addressed to the Honorable Probate Court of Webster County,
Missouri, dated 24 Mar 1923 for J.H. Mayfield to be appointed Guardian and
Curator for Minors, both residing in that county:
- Frank F. Poythress, aged 15 years
- Albert J. Poythress, aged 13 years
"named as heirs in the will of Joseph Poythress, deceased, filed and
recorded in Probate Minute Book 105, page 237, in County of Tarrant, State
of Texas"
-- 7 April 1923 statement signed by Franklin Poythress, a minor 15 yrs of
age, requested J.H. Mayfield of Fordland, Webster Co, MO, as his Curator
(witnessed by A. Cawthra)
-- 17 April 1923 statement signed by Mrs. M. Poythress, mother of Franklin
Poythress and Albert Poythress, minors, requested J.H. Mayfield of
Fordland, Webster Co, MO, be named as Guardian and Curator of her above
named two sons, and waived her right to act. (signed by her mark; attested
by Seth V Conrad)
-- Bond of Guardian and Curator dated 16 Apr 1923 was executed in presence
of Probate Judge in Webster Co, MO, and was filed for record on 2 May 1923
in Webster Co, MO Book 3, at p.41: We, J.H. Mayfield as Principal, and
R.F. Olson, J.R. Templeton, A. Cawthra, W.D. Huff, and E.W. Nash as
Securities are held and firmly bound up to the State of Missouri, in the
sum of $17,200 on the condition that the said J.H. Mayfield had been
appointed by the Probate Court of Webster Co, MO, Guardian of the person
and Curator of the Estate of Frank F Poythress and Albert J Poythress, of
said county...
-- 7 Aug 1923 Guardian's Inventory & Affidavit showed all the Goods and
Chattels, Rights and Credits of Frank Franklin Poythress and Albert Joe
Poythress, minors, that had come to the possession or knowledge of J.H.
Mayfield, Guardian and Curator of their estate:
Real Estate [blank]
[other]
$1500 Note & deed of trust, Elmer Stinnett & Ella Stinnett
$200 Check [not further identified]
-- 3 May 1926 Inventory and Appraisement in Guardianship of Frank F
Poythress & Albert J Poythress, minors listed by J H Mayfield:
- $500 for Lot 5 Block 1 McConnell's Addition to the City of Fort Worth,
TX, the interest being one half interest in same
- __ No personal estate
-List of claims being a one half inerest in notes, Judgments and accounts
due said wards:
- 1 note of Andy Nelson $300, the one half being 150
- 1 note of C M Machet $335 one half being 167.50
- 1 note of Walter Morgan $1000 1 half being 500
- Judgment against J F Dunlap worthless
- Judgment against J L Carter worthless
- Judgment against Minnie Ivy worthless
- Note against J H Darter barred by limitation
- Total $1317.50
(signed by J H Mayfield & notarized)
-- 5 May 1926 Tarrant Co, TX County Judge Gwinnett[?] Moon signed an order
approving the report of the inventory, appraisement and list of claims of
the estates of Frank F Poythress & Albert J Poythress, minors made by R.D.
Goodman, F.O. James and W.L. Ratliff who have hereto been appointed by the
court to appraise said estates, and the court having examined the same,
ordered said report be approved
-- 26 May 1926 J.H. Mayfield as Principal and securities Seth V Conrad,
R.H. Smith, D.A. Gill, and H.L. Pattie gave Bond in the amount of $3,000
for Mayfield to serve as Guardian in Tarrant Co, TX for Frank F Poythress &
Albert J Poythress, minors.
-- 4 Jun 1926 Appraisers swore above was full and fair (signed & notarized)
-- 16 Jun 1926 .. came on to be heard the application of J.H.Mayfield,
guardian of the Estate of Frank F Poythress and Albert J Poythress, minors
filed herein on 5 Jun 1926 for leave to Intervene in a certain suit pending
in the 48th District Court of Tarrant Co, TX wherein a Partition of joint
property of said minors and the other joint owners is sought and it
appearing to the Court that it is right and proper for said application to
be granted and that it is for the interest of the said estate of said
minors for said guardian to so Intervene... decreed by the Court that the
Guardian, H.H. Mayfield Intervene in said cause... and protect the interest
of said minors...
-- undated form signed by Seth V Conrad, Attorney for Guardian J.H.
Mayfield, Guardian of person & estate of minors Frank F Poythress & Albert
J Poythress: That there is a certain suit now pending in the 48th District
of Tarrant Co, TX, wherein a partition is sought of the estate of which the
aforesaid minors have an undivided one half interest... [suit not further
identified]
Eldest of the 4 children of Russell King Poythress & Sarah Ann nee Simpson
was:
Charles E Poythress.
- Info re Charles from an image of his Death Certificate, seen at
FamilySearch.org: LaGrange, Troup Co, GA Death Certificate stamped # 379,
lists cause of death at 10:50 p.m. on 10 Sep 1918 as "Paralasys" [sic] for
"Mr. C.E. Poythress" married white male, age 65 yrs 11 mo, born 27 Sep 1852
to father R.K. Poythress (who was born in LaGrange, GA) & mother's maiden
name shown as Miss Simpson, shown as born "P.A." [I presume this was
intended as Pennsylvania, but that is erroneous]. Informant listed as E.T.
Poythress [this was Charles' eldest son, Edward T, Sr]; burial on 12 Sep
1918 in LaGrange, GA.
- Charles married on 16 Jan 1881 to Martha Elizabeth [nee Evans, born Apr
1855 per 1900 Census]. The marriage date is from records in Forrest Clark
Johnson's volumes, "A History of LaGrange, Georgia 1828-1900" (vol.1 of his
series of books) and/or his vol.3 "Genealogical and Historical Register of
Troup County, Georgia" His series of 5 volumes was published in LaGrange,
GA between about 1980 and 1993; in the library where I consulted this,
volumes 1 and 3 were bound together. They had 4 children:
... Edward T [Sr] b.5 Jun 1881; marr Eunice Augusta 'Gussie' Darden on 19
Dec 1906; he d.13 Dec 1927. Edward T & Gussie had 2 children: Edward T
Jr, who was b.1908 & who d.1 Jun 1985; & Joe Henry, b.1910.
... Charles Henry, b. Dec 1882, per 1900 Census. He was Tax Collector
for Troup Co, GA in 1920.
... Grover C, b. Dec 1885 per 1900 Census
... Mattie L, b. Jul 1887, per 1900 Census.
2nd child of Russell King Poythress & Sarah Ann Simpson was
Henry C Poythress.
Info re Henry C from an image seen at Missouri Secretary of State website
[note: Missouri is abbreviated "MO"]: Henry C Poythress' death certificate
indicates no residence address for him in West Dallas Township of Webster
Co, MO by the Informant (brother of the deceased) Joe Poythress of Ft
Worth, Texas. Henry C is shown as a white male, "married" whose wife's
name is not sought or given on the form. It shows his age at death was 60
yrs, 3 mo, dying on 27 Jan 1916. His birth is listed as Oct 27, 1855 in
Georgia. His occupation is Farmer, with no employer. His father is listed
as R.K. Poythress, who was born in GA. His mother's maiden name is listed
as Sarah A Simpson, born in England. The place of his "Burial, Cremation,
or Removal" is Mt. Olive Cemetery on 28 Jan 1916. The undertaker is shown
as C.C. Sherman of Fordland, MO. The Medical Certificate of Death portion
certifies that he died 27 Jan 1916, at 11:20 a.m., and that W.J. Rabman[?],
M.D. of Fordland, MO, last attended him from 21-27 Jan 1916; he last saw
him alive on 26 Jan. The principal cause of death is shown as Lobar
Pneumonia which he had for 7 days. No contributory cause is shown.
3rd child of Russell King Poythress & Sarah Ann Simpson was
Kate Poythress
She was age 4 in 1860 Census (taken as of 1 Jun). Deceased before 15 Apr
1910 (in the 1910 Census, taken as of 15 Apr) in Sarah's enumeration in the
Fort Worth, Tarrant Co, TX, household containing only Joseph and his mother
Sarah, her line indicated she was mother of 4 children, 3 of whom were then
living; since we know that all 3 of her sons, Joseph, Henry C, and Charles
E were then living, we thus know that Kate was already deceased)
4th child of Russell K Poythress & Sarah Ann Simpson:
Joseph Poythress
Info re Joseph from his TX Death Certificate stamped # 29962 from Tarrant
Co, TX;
- City of Fort Worth; 1611 Alston [Ave]
- Jos Poythress; white male of unknown marital status, born Apr [day
blank] 1857 in LaGrange, Ga; age 63 years.
- Occupation [blank]
- Father Joe [sic; Joseph was his grandfather's name; Russell was his
father] Poythress, who was born in Ga.
- Maiden name of mother "Don't know" who was born in England.
- Informant was [his neighbor, and the man who on 22 Jun 1922 Joseph
Poythress made Executor in a codicil to his July 1920 will] H.L. Pattie, of
2319 Alston Ave, Ft Worth.
- Certificate filed 3 Nov 1922
- Medical Particulars: d. 20 Oct 1922 Certified that attended deceased
from Feb 1922 to 20 Oct 1922 and last saw him alive on 20 Oct 1922; death
occurred at 6 p.m. that date.
- Cause of death: Rheumatoid Arthritis [signed by] E A Walter, M.D. 21 Oct
1922, of Fort Worth.
- Place of Burial or Removal - Mt. Olivet [a Ft Worth cemetery] buried 23
Oct 1922 [signed by] undertaker Geo. L Gause, of Ft Worth.
The below info about Joseph Poythress having been a founding trustee of a
school for females (when his eldest daughter was age 9), was learned from a
book quote, to which our Poythress List was introduced in an (archived)
email dated 21 April 1997, captioned "Poythresses in Troup Co, Ga" which
email was written by Caroline. [At the bottom of this email, I'll quote
from more of Caroline's 1997 email, which contains other info about Joseph,
and about Charles E Poythress, eldest son of Russell King Poythress & Sarah
Ann Simpson, who was born 1852.]
The book Caroline mentioned is
THE HISTORY OF TROUP COUNTY (Georgia), by Clifford L. Smith; printed by
Foot and Davies Company of Atlanta in 1933; Dr. Smith had degrees from
Emory University and the University of Chicago.
Joseph Poythress (father of Russell K and others) was one of the founding
trustees, and the president of the trustees, for LaGrange Female Academy,
for which the Charter was granted on 26 Dec 1831.
fyi, that school later became (and still is) LaGrange College, a regionally
well regarded institutution. This Charter was granted when Joseph's eldest
daughter was 9.
>From the history section of the college's website (lagrange.edu) on 26 Aug
2009: "The oldest private college in Georgia, LaGrange has a rich history
spanning 175 years. In 1831, LaGrange began as a women's academy that was
housed in a large white building just across the street from our current
campus. A few years later, in 1842, we moved to our present location on
"the Hill," which is the highest geographical point in the city of
LaGrange. We changed our name to LaGrange Female College in 1851, then to
LaGrange College in 1934. The school officially became coed in 1953.
LaGrange has retained Methodist ties throughout its history. Today LaGrange
College is part of the North Georgia Conference of the United Methodist
Church."
The part of Caroline's 1997 email that pertains to the book she introduced
us to:
Subject: Poythresses in Troup Co, Ga
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:56:41 -0400 (EDT)
This weekend, I was working on [her other family lines] in Troup County (La
Grange) Georgia:
I found POYTHRESSES {who are not to be found in that side of the family}
>>>>>><<<<<<
THE HISTORY OF TROUP COUNTY(Ga), by Clifford L. Smith was printed by Foot
and Davies Company of Atlanta in 1933, Dr. Smith had degrees from Emory
University and the University of Chicago.
I. In 1829-30 the court house was built in La Grange, County Seat. "Among
the early citizens who carried on businesses on the square were:" (here
follows a list including) JOSEPH POYTHRESS. (p.49)
II. A list of men who fought in the World War (when there was only one)
from Troup Co includes: TALLEY POYTHRESS (p.252) {in 1933 when the book was
written, they still separated the white soldiers from the "colored" ones.
This one was white, or accepted as so. [Barbara's note Feb 2014: I don't
know who Talley Poythress was]
III. Under the heading: Officials and Old Citizens of Troup County:(pg 292)
POYTHRESS, CHARLES E.
- b. Sep 27, 1852; d. Sep. 10, 1918; m. Martha E. - b.Apr 6, 1858; d.Sep
24, 1926; Tax Collector 1913-18; 1920-25
Hillview Annex (burial place, addition to Hillview Cemetary)
POYTHRESS, JOSEPH
- b.1789;d.Apr 14, 1853; m. Mary B. b. Jun 30, 1798; d. Sep 29, 1854;
Trustee of LaGrange Female Academy, 1831; the old home is {1933} site of
the LaGrange Post Office.
- Hillview Cemetary
IV. Under the heading : Acts of Legislature: LaGrange Female Academy, Dec.
26,1831: an Act to Incorporate Certain Academies and to Appoint Trustees
for said Academies: Sec. 4 lists Trustees:
Wilson Williams, Julius Alford, Rufus Broome, James Herring, John E. Gage,
William A. Redd and JOSEPH POYTHRESS and their successors in office be they
declared to be a body corporate, under the and style of the Trustees of the
LaGrange Female Academy, in the county of Troup....
{Caroline's Note:} The said academy was established by the Georgia
Conference of the Methodist Episcopal Church South, {which had split over
the issue of letting a bishop's wife own a slave left to her by her father.}
In 1847 the LaGrange Female Institute became the LaGrange Female College
with the ability to grant degrees.
Of course this information may be nothing but it could be someone's link to
their Poythress line from a "misplaced person."...
[end of quoted portion of Caroline's 1997 email]
The below info is noted from examining an image of the death certificate at
the free genealogy research website, FamilySearch.org [The website is
maintained by the LDS, or Mormon, Church; anyone -- even non-LDS folk like
me -- can benefit from their many decades of filming historic records from
around the world, more and more of which records are being digitized and
placed online.]
Death Certificate stamped # 19836 from Tarrant County, Texas
- City of Fort Worth; 1611 Aulston Avenue, 8th Ward
- Mrs. Sarah A Poythress, female, white, widowed, born Dec 30, 1830; age
88 years 5 months 1 day.
- Occupation HouseWife
- Birthplace England
- Father: James S Simpson, born England
- Maiden name of mother: Wilkinson, born England
- Informant: Jos [Joseph] Poythress, of 1611 Aulston Ave.
- Certificate filed 2 June 1919
- Medical Particulars: died June 1 1919. I hereby certify that I attended
deceased from May 29, 1919 to May 31, 1919; that I last saw her alive on
May 31, 1919 and that death occurred, on the date stated above, at 6 a.m.
- The cause of death was: Shock Died from broken leg and hip. [signed
by] E.A. Walters, MD. of Ft. Worth on 2 June 1919
- Place of burial or removal: Philadelphia, Pa. 2 June 1919 [signed by
undertaker] Geo. L. Gause, of Fort Worth
Hi Patrick & all,
Thank you for your draft piece on Sarah Ann Simpson later-Poythress, which
I received thanks to you sending it to me as well as to the Poythress
List. Alas, I was remiss in failing to tell you -- emails going to the
List (or any other of the many thousands of subscription lists hosted
through RootsWeb) cannot have any attached files. I am attaching the
email itself which you wrote, since it will have not made it into the
Poythress List subscribers' In-Boxes, or its archives.
Your draft piece on Sarah's story is beautifully written and footnoted,
which I greatly appreciate, as I always wonder at the source of info.
Rather than my copying as pure text your story here in an email to all the
List, I'll go ahead and now begin drafting an email here, that I was about
to begin compiling -- with a bunch of info on the extended family. It is
my hope that some of it may enable you to weave in some further details to
the story of Sarah and her descendants, thus amplifying your draft before
further sharing it.
And since of course I too cannot make attachments in emails here, I will
send you separately, Patrick, one great find I made last night -- Sarah's
Death Certificate in Texas -- for the benefit of others I'll include my
transcribed notes from it. [For this email, I'll just add that Sarah's
Death Certificate, by the way, lists her mother's maiden name as Wilkinson,
so I think from the Philadelphia gravestone inscription of her mother as
"Ann Wilkinson Simpson" which you mentioned in a footnote, thinking
Wilkinson was a forename rather than a maiden name, the inscription a
not-uncommon American custom for many, of including the maiden name.]
All for now. I have work to do compiling info into a message. Thanks
again, Patrick, for getting in touch.
Barbara
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Patrick Vaughan <
patrickvaughan38(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Dear Barbara,
>
> I have now had a go at tidying up a draft piece on Sarah Ann
> Simpson/Poythress. As you will see there are plenty of gaps in my
> information. If you (or any of your Poythress circle) can help me with
> more data, I shall be delighted to hear from you!
>
> Let me know what you think of the attached. Its written more as a 'story'
> than in the usual genealogical language - so I hope you can make allowances
> for that!
>
> Best wishes,
> Patrick
>
Our condolences to the family and friends of Jeraldine 'Jerry' nee
Poythress Prather, whose cousin is one of our Poythress List subscribers.
Before reading her obit, I had not previously heard of "Progessive
Supranuclear Palsy."
Basically the same obits [below] were seen at both the website of the
Cremation Society of GA, csog.com, and the website of the Jackson [GA]
Progress-Argus, jacksonprogress-argus.com, with only slight difference
including abbreviations of dates, and being that she was listed at the csog
website as "Jeraldine Poythress-Prather; Born in Effingham, GA on Jul. 31,
1932; Departed on Feb. 4, 2014 and resided in Jackson, GA" and listed at
the jacksonprogress-argus.com website as "Prather, Jeraldine 'Jerry'
Poythress [which was posted as of Weds 12 Feb 2014]"
The obit(s):
Jeraldine "Jerry" Poythress Prather, 81, of Jackson, GA passed away
peacefully surrounded by the love of her family the morning of February 4,
2014.
She was born on July 13, 1932 in Effingham County Georgia to Jerry and
Bessie Edwards Poythress.
She met her soul mate, Orrin Lee Prather, Jr., while in Atlanta for
nurse's training. On June 10, 1952, they were married. Though they moved
several times throughout their 61 years of marriage, they settled on
Jackson Lake in 1998.
She is preceded in death by her parents, brother Charles Poythress, and
son-in-law Michael Taylor.
She is survived by her husband, 'Lee'; sister Jackie Miller (Lester);
brother James 'Henry' Poythress (Louisa); son David Lee Prather (Susan);
and daughter Vicki Prather Taylor.
She was known affectionately as 'Peaches' by her grandchildren Angela
Marie Taylor, Amanda Prather Seaman (Craig), Kevin Michael Taylor, Travis
Lee Prather (Lindsay), and Valerie Taylor Dalziel (Ben) and great-grandson
Hendrix Lee Prather. She is also survived by several nieces and nephews.
A private service was held at a lakeside pavilion with her family.
Donations can be made in her memory to CurePSP (Progessive Supranuclear
Palsy) at www.psp.org or by calling 1-800-457-4777.
Hi Barbara,
If this is of any help, I posted something abt this Russell K. Poythress a
few years back, notation abt the Confederate Citizens file. And I remember
it was asked who might be related on that thread. I thought Maynard replied
back who would be related.
Julie
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 3:00 AM, <poythress-request(a)rootsweb.com> wrote:
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Sarah Ann nee Simpson Poythress (1831-1919) marr Russell King
> Poythress, Troup Co, GA (Barbara Neal)
> 2. 2nd try Sarah Ann nee Simpson Poythress (1831-1919) marr
> Russell King Poythress, Troup Co, GA (Barbara Neal)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 22:11:08 -0700
> From: Barbara Neal <barbpoy.neal(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] Sarah Ann nee Simpson Poythress (1831-1919) marr
> Russell King Poythress, Troup Co, GA
> To: Patrick Vaughan <patrickvaughan38(a)yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: Poythress List <poythress(a)rootsweb.com>
> Message-ID:
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>
> Hi Patrick - with a copy to our Poythress List of subscribers -
>
> It's great to hear from you. How neat that you live in the house in
> England that her family came to America from. I'd be thrilled to learn
> whatever more you can tell me about Sarah. It's great to learn her year of
> birth from your email heading, for example.
>
> Through the years, I collected a lot of info on their children. I'll have
> to delve back into the info I have, in order to be sure, but from just
> recalling "off the top of my head" I am not sure I know of any of their 4
> children possibly having living descendants at this point.
>
> I'm sorry I've had to be immersed in other demands on my time today, and I
> will be again tomorrow at least through much of the day, but hopefully I
> may have some time tomorrow or Friday, to allow my delving back into this
> branch of the Poythress family to see what I can share with you.
>
> If it would be okay with you, I'd appreciate both your and my compiled
> info being posted in emails with copies going to the Poythress List of
> email subscribers, as this email does.
>
> The advantage of doing that, is that messages copying the Poythress List
> are automatically archived and searchable later -- and it is apparently
> through one or more of those emails that you found me.
>
> One never knows when (sooner, or later) some possible descendant of Sarah's
> might see the archived email, and attempt to contact the person who wrote
> the email.
>
> Our Poythress List has emails that have been archived since March 1995.
> We also have a Poythress researchers' website, to which many of us
> contributed info through the years: poythress.net At the top edge of the
> website, are several links. The one on the right, "Message Archives" has 2
> ways of searching the archives -- one just chronologically, and the other
> where you can specify Keyword(s) to search. In the advanced search of
> Keywords, it is most helpful to put your search term, or names, in the
> "Body" rather than the "Subject" field. You can narrow down dates or not.
>
> Back at the poythress.net homepage, you'll see many other things
> available,
> including a link on the right end of the line about "Poythress Discussion
> List" leading one to a page where he or she can subscribe to the List. The
> List has not been as active in the last couple of years, as it was in
> earlier years, so even by subscribing your In-Box will not be swamped. (I
> believe that link also tells one how to post a message to the List if one
> is not subscribed.) Our volunteer webmaster has long had a very intense
> "day job" and thus not had enough time to post all that he would like to
> add, to the webpage, but even so, much info is available at the website.
>
> I promise I will write more re the family soon, and I really look forward
> to learning more about Sarah's family and the story you've researched re
> how they came to America in 1846. Thank you so much, Patrick, for getting
> in touch!
>
> Best regards,
> Barbara
>
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Patrick Vaughan <
> patrickvaughan38(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Dear Barbara,
> >
> > I am taking the liberty of writing to you, having seen your message about
> > Maynard Poythress's death in 2012, from which I got the impression that
> you
> > are associated with a genealogical research group.
> >
> > I am researching Sarah Ann Poythress (nee Simpson). She was the wife of
> > Russell K. Poythress, had a family of four by him, and is buried in
> > Woodlands Cemetery Philadelphia PA.
> >
> > I would very much like to be put in touch with any surviving descendants
> > of hers, and wonder whether you can help me in this respect.
> >
> > I am writing to you from Sheffield, Yorkshire, England, from the house in
> > which Sarah grew up. Her father was the first owner of this house, which
> > was built in 1835, and I am the current owner. There is an elaborate
> story
> > about how she and her family moved to New York in 1846, which I have
> > researched in Sheffield newspapers, and would be happy to share with
> > interested people.
> >
> > I will be extremely grateful for any help, advice or contacts that you
> can
> > suggest to me.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Patrick Vaughan
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 22:30:53 -0700
> From: Barbara Neal <barbpoy.neal(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] 2nd try Sarah Ann nee Simpson Poythress
> (1831-1919) marr Russell King Poythress, Troup Co, GA
> To: Poythress List <poythress(a)rootsweb.com>
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi Patrick - with a copy to our Poythress List of subscribers -
>
> It's great to hear from you. How neat that you live in the house in
> England that her family came to America from. I'd be thrilled to learn
> whatever more you can tell me about Sarah. It's great to learn her year of
> birth from your email heading, for example.
>
> Through the years, I collected a lot of info on their children. I'll have
> to delve back into the info I have, in order to be sure, but from just
> recalling "off the top of my head" I am not sure I know of any of their 4
> children possibly having living descendants at this point.
>
> I'm sorry I've had to be immersed in other demands on my time today, and I
> will be again tomorrow at least through much of the day, but hopefully I
> may have some time tomorrow or Friday, to allow my delving back into this
> branch of the Poythress family to see what I can share with you.
>
> If it would be okay with you, I'd appreciate both your and my compiled info
> being posted in emails with copies going to the Poythress List of email
> subscribers, as this email does.
>
> The advantage of doing that, is that messages copying the Poythress List
> are automatically archived and searchable later -- and it is apparently
> through one or more of those emails that you found me.
>
> One never knows when (sooner, or later) some possible descendant of Sarah's
> might see the archived email, and attempt to contact the person who wrote
> the email.
>
> Our Poythress List has emails that have been archived since March 1995. We
> also have a Poythress researchers' website, to which many of us contributed
> info through the years: poythress
> [dot]
> net At the top edge of the website, are several links. The one on the
> right, "Message Archives" has 2 ways of searching the archives -- one just
> chronologically, and the other where you can specify Keyword(s) to search.
> In the advanced search of Keywords, it is most helpful to put your search
> term, or names, in the "Body" rather than the "Subject" field. You can
> narrow down dates or not.
>
> Back at the homepage, you'll see many other things available, including a
> link on the right end of the line about "Poythress Discussion List" leading
> one to a page where he or she can subscribe to the List. The List has not
> been as active in the last couple of years, as it was in earlier years, so
> even by subscribing your In-Box will not be swamped. (I believe that link
> also tells one how to post a message to the List if one is not
> subscribed.) Our volunteer webmaster has long had a very intense "day job"
> and thus not had enough time to post all that he would like to add, to the
> webpage, but even so, much info is available at the website.
>
> I promise I will write more re the family soon, and I really look forward
> to learning more about Sarah's family and the story you've researched re
> how they came to America in 1846. Thank you so much, Patrick, for getting
> in touch!
>
> Best regards,
> Barbara
>
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Patrick Vaughan <
> patrickvaughan38(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Dear Barbara,
> >
> > I am taking the liberty of writing to you, having seen your message about
> > Maynard Poythress's death in 2012, from which I got the impression that
> you
> > are associated with a genealogical research group.
> >
> > I am researching Sarah Ann Poythress (nee Simpson). She was the wife of
> > Russell K. Poythress, had a family of four by him, and is buried in
> > Woodlands Cemetery Philadelphia PA.
> >
> > I would very much like to be put in touch with any surviving descendants
> > of hers, and wonder whether you can help me in this respect.
> >
> > I am writing to you from Sheffield, Yorkshire, England, from the house in
> > which Sarah grew up. Her father was the first owner of this house, which
> > was built in 1835, and I am the current owner. There is an elaborate
> story
> > about how she and her family moved to New York in 1846, which I have
> > researched in Sheffield newspapers, and would be happy to share with
> > interested people.
> >
> > I will be extremely grateful for any help, advice or contacts that you
> can
> > suggest to me.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Patrick Vaughan
> >
>
>
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Hi Patrick - with a copy to our Poythress List of subscribers -
It's great to hear from you. How neat that you live in the house in
England that her family came to America from. I'd be thrilled to learn
whatever more you can tell me about Sarah. It's great to learn her year of
birth from your email heading, for example.
Through the years, I collected a lot of info on their children. I'll have
to delve back into the info I have, in order to be sure, but from just
recalling "off the top of my head" I am not sure I know of any of their 4
children possibly having living descendants at this point.
I'm sorry I've had to be immersed in other demands on my time today, and I
will be again tomorrow at least through much of the day, but hopefully I
may have some time tomorrow or Friday, to allow my delving back into this
branch of the Poythress family to see what I can share with you.
If it would be okay with you, I'd appreciate both your and my compiled info
being posted in emails with copies going to the Poythress List of email
subscribers, as this email does.
The advantage of doing that, is that messages copying the Poythress List
are automatically archived and searchable later -- and it is apparently
through one or more of those emails that you found me.
One never knows when (sooner, or later) some possible descendant of Sarah's
might see the archived email, and attempt to contact the person who wrote
the email.
Our Poythress List has emails that have been archived since March 1995. We
also have a Poythress researchers' website, to which many of us contributed
info through the years: poythress
[dot]
net At the top edge of the website, are several links. The one on the
right, "Message Archives" has 2 ways of searching the archives -- one just
chronologically, and the other where you can specify Keyword(s) to search.
In the advanced search of Keywords, it is most helpful to put your search
term, or names, in the "Body" rather than the "Subject" field. You can
narrow down dates or not.
Back at the homepage, you'll see many other things available, including a
link on the right end of the line about "Poythress Discussion List" leading
one to a page where he or she can subscribe to the List. The List has not
been as active in the last couple of years, as it was in earlier years, so
even by subscribing your In-Box will not be swamped. (I believe that link
also tells one how to post a message to the List if one is not
subscribed.) Our volunteer webmaster has long had a very intense "day job"
and thus not had enough time to post all that he would like to add, to the
webpage, but even so, much info is available at the website.
I promise I will write more re the family soon, and I really look forward
to learning more about Sarah's family and the story you've researched re
how they came to America in 1846. Thank you so much, Patrick, for getting
in touch!
Best regards,
Barbara
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Patrick Vaughan <
patrickvaughan38(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Dear Barbara,
>
> I am taking the liberty of writing to you, having seen your message about
> Maynard Poythress's death in 2012, from which I got the impression that you
> are associated with a genealogical research group.
>
> I am researching Sarah Ann Poythress (nee Simpson). She was the wife of
> Russell K. Poythress, had a family of four by him, and is buried in
> Woodlands Cemetery Philadelphia PA.
>
> I would very much like to be put in touch with any surviving descendants
> of hers, and wonder whether you can help me in this respect.
>
> I am writing to you from Sheffield, Yorkshire, England, from the house in
> which Sarah grew up. Her father was the first owner of this house, which
> was built in 1835, and I am the current owner. There is an elaborate story
> about how she and her family moved to New York in 1846, which I have
> researched in Sheffield newspapers, and would be happy to share with
> interested people.
>
> I will be extremely grateful for any help, advice or contacts that you can
> suggest to me.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Patrick Vaughan
>
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