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It was earlier asked how we knew that the “family group” of Thomas-Meredith-George-Lewis-Thomas, Jr. were “proved.”
Well, I’m not 100% convinced that the entire thing IS proved….but we sure have “linkage” with the only two weak spots in my estimation being: 1) an assumption that there was only ONE Thomas in Brunswick County at the time and indeed he is the only one we have found and 2) assuming Lewis to be a brother of Meredith requires two conditional links instead of one.
1) Thomas was the father of Meredith…..numerous tax records, census, etc.
2) Thomas was the father of George….George as administrator of estate, numerous reported linkages.
3) George was the brother of Lewis…..George’s will.
4) ∆: George, Meredith, Lewis, and Thomas Jr. were brothers.
Additionally, although not in the “logic chain” proposition above, Meredith went bond for Lewis’ marriage as I recall. I suppose
the family group is not “technically” proven but I’d be inclined to make book on it. Would welcome comments pro or con.
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From: "John M. Poythress" <brerfox(a)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 12:01 PM
Subject: Out of Town
> Folks, I'll be off the wire from 11/25 to 12/7 out of town for extended
> Thanksgiving visits. Wishing for you all a happy, joyous and SAFE
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Maynard, I'm glad to hear that Minor Weisiger is willing to help solve this puzzle. Also glad to learn you'll be having a good long Thanksgiving holiday trip, since I am already away on a trip for T'giving, too, and cannot see about copying the pages you're missing until I return. Will be glad, after I'm home again, to copy & mail to you the pages having Poythress entries from the PG Court Orders 1714-1720 prior to p.127 of the Court Order book as published in early issues of the Va Gen'l Society's magazine. Thanks for your further checking on all this.
John M. Poythress wrote:
> This group of documents which I transcribed at the Clayton Library is
> presently on the board.
> Barbara Poythress Neal had previously found and copied from the Magazine
> of Virginia Genealogy a series over several issues which were presumably
> compilations of the identical documents (or at least titled the same)
> prepared by Ben Weisiger. Ben, now deceased, was a reputable and
> energetic compiler of many early Virginia records.
> To my surprise, there were glaring discrepancies between these two
> compilations with respect to the Poythress entries which were the only
> ones I looked at seriously. The sequence of both sets of page numbers
> was identical. However, my transcription (the one on the webpage) has
> entries that Weisiger didn't show and Weisiger has entries that I don't
> show, the same reports even had different participants and often
> different dates. However, it seemed to me almost a certainty that we
> were both copying off the same microfilm. I ruled out the potential
> problem of one set of film leaving out pages because both sets of
> "original" pages were consecutively numbered and there were seemingly
> even "intra-page" contradictions.
> Barbara, I contacted Minor Weisiger, Ben's son who works at the LVA..as
> you suggested. I am an acquaintance of Minor's and he recalled me when
> I sent him an email detailing the questions. He seems to be just as
> curious as you and I with respect to the
> "alleged" problem and would very much like to look into it. To my
> surprise, I even got a hint of enthusiasm.
> The suggestion is that I extract the Poythress entries from the series
> identical to the webpage document and send them both to him to noodle
> and search the LVA records while able to lay both copies side by side
> for comparison entry by entry. I think we should be quite pleased with
> his reaction. There is no hint of concern over conflict Involved in the
> matter, just plain curiosity on both sides.
> One technical problem. Barbara, I have already transcribed the
> consecutive Poythress entries from the Mag. of VA Gen. EXCEPT I haven't
> done the pages prior to p. 127 (of the PG order book) because I am
> missing these pages. I have run a complete search through all my
> paperwork and can't find these issues; it's hard to believe I have them
> hiding because this would be a sizable wad of papers.
> So...end of long story..Barbara, would you be so kind as to get me the
> copies of the Magazine entries prior to Order Book p. 127. Or, if I
> indeed lost them, be so kind as to get me "another" set? We can
> accomplish this whatever way is easiest for you. Options are you can
> re-photocopy and I'll pay, you can mail me your pages and I can copy on
> my scanner and return your "originals". You may even want to copy the
> Poythress entries prior to p. 127 and just email it to me. I had 20
> entries prior to p. 127 and they're all short since court orders
> typically run only 1 or 2 sentences but that is time consuming and in
> general I have the time and you don't. So, whatever is easiest to you.
> Many thanks,>
This group of documents which I transcribed at the Clayton Library is
presently on the board.
Barbara Poythress Neal had previously found and copied from the Magazine
of Virginia Genealogy a series over several issues which were presumably
compilations of the identical documents (or at least titled the same)
prepared by Ben Weisiger. Ben, now deceased, was a reputable and
energetic compiler of many early Virginia records.
To my surprise, there were glaring discrepancies between these two
compilations with respect to the Poythress entries which were the only
ones I looked at seriously. The sequence of both sets of page numbers
was identical. However, my transcription (the one on the webpage) has
entries that Weisiger didn't show and Weisiger has entries that I don't
show, the same reports even had different participants and often
different dates. However, it seemed to me almost a certainty that we
were both copying off the same microfilm. I ruled out the potential
problem of one set of film leaving out pages because both sets of
"original" pages were consecutively numbered and there were seemingly
even "intra-page" contradictions.
Barbara, I contacted Minor Weisiger, Ben's son who works at the LVA..as
you suggested. I am an acquaintance of Minor's and he recalled me when
I sent him an email detailing the questions. He seems to be just as
curious as you and I with respect to the
"alleged" problem and would very much like to look into it. To my
surprise, I even got a hint of enthusiasm.
The suggestion is that I extract the Poythress entries from the series
identical to the webpage document and send them both to him to noodle
and search the LVA records while able to lay both copies side by side
for comparison entry by entry. I think we should be quite pleased with
his reaction. There is no hint of concern over conflict Involved in the
matter, just plain curiosity on both sides.
One technical problem. Barbara, I have already transcribed the
consecutive Poythress entries from the Mag. of VA Gen. EXCEPT I haven't
done the pages prior to p. 127 (of the PG order book) because I am
missing these pages. I have run a complete search through all my
paperwork and can't find these issues; it's hard to believe I have them
hiding because this would be a sizable wad of papers.
So...end of long story..Barbara, would you be so kind as to get me the
copies of the Magazine entries prior to Order Book p. 127. Or, if I
indeed lost them, be so kind as to get me "another" set? We can
accomplish this whatever way is easiest for you. Options are you can
re-photocopy and I'll pay, you can mail me your pages and I can copy on
my scanner and return your "originals". You may even want to copy the
Poythress entries prior to p. 127 and just email it to me. I had 20
entries prior to p. 127 and they're all short since court orders
typically run only 1 or 2 sentences but that is time consuming and in
general I have the time and you don't. So, whatever is easiest to you.
This very morning your resident computer village idiot has finally made
contact with his out-of -the-country guru and been instructed on the
matter of how to get these documents into his imager.
Concurrently, Jean and I are leaving tomorrow to spend Thanksgiving in
Georgia and the following week in New Orleans with our daughter. Both
locations are loaded with technological devices so I'll do the first
draft of these transcriptions "on location" while Jean hits the ground
I'll have the drafts ready to post by 12/7 when I return.
Sorry for the delay, folks.
Lou, if you're still on the wire, the above was on the Prince George
line this morning (VAPRINCEG-L(a)rootsweb.com). Thought you might be able
to help the guy or gal out since you are our resident Pettypool expert.
Message Board URL:
Message Board Post:
I am seeking parent names and vital dates of Wil.liam PETTYPOOL born abt
1790 Prince George Co VA colony. William PETTYPOOL married Elizabeth
____? Any help would be appreciated.
It turns out that the colonial VA “urban myth” of “the nine Misses Poythress and the eight Misses Poythress” is not so mythical as some have suspected. Overlooking a couple of minor generational errors the “eight” is dead on. The “nine”, indicated by RBB to be only “three”, are revealed to actually be “six” in the later will of their father Robert Poythress to which RBB did not have access. This material is most notably mentioned in a document at the VA Hist Soc known as “the Maitland Family Bible.”
The nine Misses Poythress were advertised as daughters of Robert Poythress (RBB# 28) 1690-1745, and the eight Misses Poythress are daughters of Peter Poythress 1715-1785 (RBB 281..son of Robert).
I have been consumed for several weeks trying to get this thing described and “corrected” in a minor way and in general to capture it in what I aspire make into a comprehensive “essay” form. As you can imagine, starting from scratch to pin down spouses and marriage dates for 17 brides and 17 grooms is something of a bear.
The “missing” are named Harwood, Minge, Godby and Runciman/Rubsamen. I have posted queries on both the Prince George board, the Southside board and the River James board. No responses. I have gone to the web looking for family websites and making many contacts without much success. I’d like to post this thing and gain some measure of “closure” (leaving the blanks blank) but as a last shot I’ll list the missing parts for the board. As a demographic proposition, we are the most likely people to have Poythress information tucked away in a corner of a hard drive.
Below are my “missing” with what information I do have. Would each of you be so kind to run a search and let me know if you have anything substantive about one or more particular questions. Many, many thanks.
▪ “Mr. Goode”
Mr. Goode is “of Whitby” but so are 99% of all the other Goodes. The likeliest source has “Joseph Goode b. 1688, of Whitby,
Henrico County, son of John Goode and Anne Bennett m. Poythress Whatlow about 1715 in VA. This looks like a dead ringer (if we place father Robert’s birthdate earlier than 1690) except the Poythress name to me appears something of an obvious error. Poythress is most unlikely to be a daughter’s given name (especially with five sisters with conventional names) and “Whatlow” is not likely to be her surname. “Susanna Poythress’ below would be a candidate except she is shown in her father’s 1743 will as unmarried vs. the 1715 date of the marriage above, thus probably ruling her out.
▪ “Mr. Runciman” or “Mr. Rubsamen.”
I’m drawing a complete blank here.
▪ “Mary Anna Minge” nee Poythess is a daughter and a legatee in Robert Poythress’ 1743 will. Who was Mr. Minge and when did they marry?
▪ “Agness Harwood” nee Poythress is a daughter and a legatee (along with HER daughter Tabitha) is a legatee in Robert Poythress’ 1743 will. Who was Mr. Harwood and when did they marry?
▪ “Susanna Poythress” is an unmarried daughter and legatee in Robert Poythress’ 1743 will. To whom and when was she later married? A Susanna shows m. Richard Bland III 1762 which is too late.
Harwood, Minge and Goode names show all over VA in the period so they should not be suspect. All of the above would be involved in the “nine Misses Poythress” scenario, daughters (or grooms of daughters) born to Robert Poythress 1690-1745. His birthday may be a shade earlier; his death date is likely correct. Thus it is likely all of these marriages happened in the first third of the 1700’s. No information on the “nine” is given in the Maitland except the surname of the grooms. Keep in mind that the problem with “the nine” is that the entry in the Maitland bible is likely decades after the fact; it is entirely possible that a Poythress bride shown might NOT be a daughter of Robert…or even the same line.
Any help would be appreciated.
Today the below excellent article was sent to the group (including me) that gets
regular mail from a NC genealogy society. Just from the first part, one can see
it is well worth reading -
Obituaries: More Than Meets the Eye
by Kory L. Meyerink, AG
With the emphasis in genealogy so often on official records such as death
certificates, it's easy to overlook other sources of information about key life
events. Kory Meyerink shows you how to use obituaries to supplement, and
sometimes substitute for, what can be found in the official death record.
* What original source usually provides more information about its subject
than any other original record?
* What source may provide cause of death before death certificates were
* What source tells you what became of Aunt Jenny's children?
* Besides church records, what source can tell you which specific church
(congregation) a person belonged to?
* What is the best source for learning about the lives of female ancestors?
* What is the one "biographical sketch" most available for the common man?
* What source provides occupational details, such as the company an
ancestor worked for?
* What source do family historians often ignore in their research?
If you answered "Obituaries" to each of the above questions, than you have at
least read the title of this article. But, more than that, you are beginning
to get an understanding (if you didn't already have one) of the great value
that this under-appreciated source has for family historians.
Yes, of course, you know about obituaries. After all, you have been reading
them in the newspaper for years. Perhaps you even helped write the obituary for
a parent, grandparent, or other loved one. But obituaries are like several
other records we encounter in our everyday, modern life; ones we often fail to
consider when researching our ancestors and other relatives. In this way, they
are like tax records, voter registration, and telephone books. Our own names,
as well as our spouse and children, are on these "modern" records, but we
often don't make them a regular part of our family research.
There are several reasons why we overlook obituaries so often. First, we
don't teach enough about them in our books and genealogy classes, either in formal
settings, or online. Second, we don't understand the scope and coverage of
obituaries. Third, we believe they are more difficult to access. Well, this
article is an effort to overcome (in part) the first problem while specifically
addressing the second and third issues.
Scope and Coverage of Obituaries
Newspapers have been published on a regular basis in North America since 1704
since the four page Boston News-Letter made its debut. However, they grew
slowly until the Industrial Revolution of the mid-nineteenth century changed
many aspects of American life. These changes included the power printing press
and the railroads, both making it easier to get and distribute news over a
After the American Revolution, as communities grew, local news became
increasingly important for the newspapers. No longer was everyone familiar with
what was happening locally. In the early 1800s, death notices began to increase,
but they were seldom more than a simple notice: the deceased's name, age, and
residence were are usually all one finds in these early years.
The traditional biographical obituary, with which we are so familiar,
primarily developed after the U.S. Civil War. As the interest in local news
grew, newspapers added more and more information and a wider range of people to
their traditional death notices. While there will not be an obituary on every
person who died in the latter half of the 1800s, you will find them for a very
large number of the adults, especially those who had been resident in a
community for a number of years.
By the time of the U.S. Centennial (1876), with the growing interest in
history, obituaries may have included any (but seldom all) of the following:
* Name of the deceased
* Age and/or birth date
* Spouse and children's names
* Other survivors: siblings, aunts and uncles, grandchildren, nieces,
* Cause of death
* Religious membership/Church affiliation
* Fraternal or social memberships
* Past social or government positions
* Migration (when they settled in the local community)
* Birth town, even in foreign countries
* Parent's names
* Funeral arrangements
* Cemetery of burial
* Noteworthy life events (such as military service)
* Information on grandparents and ancestry
* and a host of other possible information
As time progressed, even more persons were subjects of even more detailed,
biographical obituaries, encompassing more and more items on the above list. By
the 1890s, it is rare not to find a reasonable obituary of a longtime adult
member of the local community. Of course, like with most biographical records,
the greater public interest in the individual, the greater depth of coverage.
One word of caution. This description fits best in rural communities and
small cities. The larger cities of the nineteenth century, such as New York,
Chicago, St. Louis, and many others, did not include as much information on as
many residents. Therefore, locating obituaries of family members in such cities
continues to be problematic.
Obituaries were not just printed in local newspapers. Many church
denominations and ethnic groups published newspapers focused on the group they
served, not the community in which they were printed. While many ethnic
newspapers did have a geographic focus, many others did not. For example, the
Luxembourger Gazette was published in Dubuque, Iowa, but included news from
every Luxembourg community throughout the United States. The presence of an
every-name index to almost 50 years of the newspaper aids users in finding
thousands of obituaries for this group.
Religious groups have also published newspapers. Their pages are filled with
news about the denomination, and that news includes obituaries of members,
regardless of where they lived. Larger denominations, such as Roman Catholic,
will have a geographic focus (typically that of a diocese), but smaller groups
may cover several states within the same issue.
The information in ethnic and religious newspapers is particularly useful,
since they often deal with immigrants, and may be the only source identifying
the foreign home of the deceased. Consider the following obituary, translated
from the original in Der Christliche Apologete, 1895:
Koch - sister Sophie Koch nee Moor died 24 March 1895 of a stroke. She was
born in Grosseneixen, Mecklenburg-Schwerin, the 1st of June 1831. She came to
this country in 1857 and married Christoph Koch the same year. Christmas Eve of
the same year they converted to God with the help of Brother Fischback and
joined the church. In 1864 they came from Jackson County to here and joined the
parish of Zion. Sister K was a faithful member to the end. In addition to her
grieving husband, she leaves 7 adult children and 2 grandchildren.
Zion, OhioJ.G. Grimmer, Assistant pastor in the Ironton district
For more information about denominational newspapers, see Richard Dougherty's
chapter, "Published Church Records" in Printed Sources (Salt Lake City,
Locating Obituaries and Newspapers
Unfortunately, there is no master index of all obituaries in all newspapers.
In fact, most newspapers don't even have an index to all the obituaries which
have appeared in their pages over the years. Of course, if you know the date
of death (or approximate date), you can obtain copies of the newspapers for
that time frame, and begin the search, page by page. However, there are easier
First, determine if there is an index for the obituaries. One useful tool to
begin with is Betty Jarboe's Obituaries: A Guide to Sources, 2d edition
(Boston: G. K. Hall, 1989). Primarily an index of published obituaries in book
form, the second edition adds published compilations of cemetery records, making
this list broader than records typically considered as obituaries. The
appendixes include a list of obituary card files that have been compiled by
major libraries, and a list of (now outdated) on-line databases that contain
obituaries. Arranged geographically, with the United States followed by
individual states and a few foreign countries, you can also use the index at the
back of the book, which alphabetically lists authors, titles, and subjects to
find known sources, especially those which may defy geographic identification.
Obituaries are often indexed by local genealogical societies, and those
indexes may be published as an ongoing series in the society's periodical. To
locate such indexes, search the Periodical Source Index (PERSI) for the state or
county of interest, and the subject "Obituaries." This important index is
available in most genealogical libraries, online at Ancestry.com, and on CD-ROM
Often an obituary index is too lengthy to publish in a periodical, so an
entire book is published for distribution to individuals and libraries. Most
such books end up in major libraries, with the Family History Library having
perhaps the most complete collection. Examine their catalog online at
FamilySearch.org for the locality where the newspaper of interest was published.
You can also contact local libraries or historical societies in the town where
the newspaper was published and inquire if they have an index. This approach
will uncover published versions, as well as unpublished card or computer indexes
that reside only at such repositories. Of course, you can also contact the
newspaper and ask if they have an index, or know of a separately
separately-prepared index, to their past obituaries.
Recent obituaries, generally from about 1996 forward, in major newspapers are
archived at Ancestry.com in their collection of UMI obituaries. UMI is a
company that microfilms newspapers, and, in recent years, collects electronic
versions as well.
Second, you will need to obtain access to the newspapers of interest. Don't
assume that there was only one newspaper. Until well into the 20th century,
many small towns still had two newspapers. Sometimes the deceased died at a
child's home, far from where she lived most of her life. If so, an obituary may
be published in both locations, and perhaps even more.
Today, most older newspapers are available on microfilm, and can be sent
directly to your local library through the Interlibrary Loan program. Therefore,
I usually start my search for newspapers in the book, Newspapers in Microform:
United States, 1948-1983 (2 vols. Washington, D.C.: Library of Congress,
1984). Although slightly dated, this lists most U.S.newspapers which are
available on microfilm, and even lists many of the repositories where the
microfilms are housed. Your local library should have a copy. Of course, your
local librarian has access to many other sources to help him or her learn who
has a copy the library can borrow for you. There may be some small fees for
shipping the microfilm, and you will have to use it at that library.
Of course, if your travels take you to the location where the newspaper was
published, you have other options. Most active newspaper offices have a
relatively complete back file (also often on microfilm), and you can ask to view
the newspaper at their office. Of course, the newspaper you are seeking may have
ceased publication, so this may not be an option. But, on the other hand, the
current newspaper may be the same newspaper with a name change, or may be a
merger of two or more previous newspapers, so a little research into the history
of the newspaper may be useful. In addition, the local library in a
newspaper's town should have a copy of the newspaper. This is often a better way
to search, as you do not disturb the current newspaper office, and a library
generally has longer research hours than does a commercial publisher.
You also know that there is no rule in genealogy that you have to do all the
searching yourself. You can ask a local person, such as a librarian, or a
newspaper worker (often they have a staff librarian) to look up the obituary,
but only if you have a page reference (from an index), or at least the date of
death. On occasion, you may want to hire a local researcher, who should know
about indexes, access, fees, and other important information.
Third, if you determine that there is no index to obituaries for the area and
time frame you are researching, you will have to search the newspapers. This
means that you will want to determine, as closely as possible, when and where
a person died. Many genealogical sources may provide this information,
including death certificates, cemetery inscriptions, church records, and family
sources. Failing those sources, look for a probate, which will help you
approximate the date of death.
With the newspaper in hand (usually on microfilm), begin your search a few
days (or two or three weeks if a weekly newspaper) before the death. Your death
date may be incorrect, but more importantly, if the subject was very ill,
there may be notice, especially in rural newspapers, of relatives coming to
visit. After the death, obituaries were typically published about two days
later, but you should begin the day after death, as it may have run that soon,
depending on distance, deadlines, etc. Search at least a week to 10 days after
the death. Sometimes it took time for someone to write and submit the obituary.
If the paper was only issued weekly, check at least three issues after the date
Don't stop your search once you find a death notice or a fuller obituary. An
initial death notice may precede the obituary by a couple of days. After the
obituary, you may find additional notices, sometimes even a "card of thanks" by
the family in gratitude for those who expressed their condolences.
Once you have examined a few issues of a newspaper, you will find that
obituaries are typically run in the same location, along with other local news,
and sometimes near the classified advertisements. Therefore, you don't have to
read the entire newspaper. Larger newspapers, with multiple sections, won't
place obituaries in the sports, finance, or world news sections, for example. On
the other hand, if the death was sudden, possibly criminal, accidental, or if
the deceased was a notable person in the community, there may be a news story
associated with the death. Typically it will not be with the obituaries, but on
an earlier "news" oriented page. In such situations, also watch for a formal
obituary in the next couple of days.
Now, take this new information and get searching. Examine your records for
persons who died within the last 150 years or so. If you don't have their
obituaries, begin the hunt. It is fun, easy, inexpensive, and most of all, will
add significant information to what you know about each of them. Who knows, it
may also give you the clues you need to overcome a brick wall!
About the Author
Kory Meyerink is an accredited genealogist who lives in Salt Lake City where
he currently conducts professional research for ProGenealogists.com, a
division of Ancestral Quest, and for Genealogical Research Associates. He is the
author of Ancestry's Printed Sources, past president of the Utah Genealogical
Society, founder of the Salt Lake Institute of Genealogy, and teaches at many
national and local conferences.
Interesting post off the Screven line. My comments:
1) "Liza Jane" sure comes in for some period male chauvinistic
remarks. Don't think I've ever heard "large, fleshy lady" used
presumably as a compliment.
2) We are distant kin to these Lees and I think even the
Hollingsworths.it's so distant it seemed not worth looking up.
3) For those gone from the South long enough to not remember what
a "lightwood knot" is, it goes most often by the name of
"fat-lighter-wood." It is the heart of the now nearly extinct long
needle pine which once covered the entire SE of the nation.
It is virtually all flammable resin held together by the matrix of
cellulose fiber. Guys still "harvest" the stuff that's left out of 100+
year old stumps and sell it to L. L. Bean who sells it by little
kindling strips to yups to light fireplaces with. The stuff
goes off almost like a firecracker so Been even packs a warning flyer
inside the box.
As a matter of interest as to how durable the stuff is in addition to
how flammable, when Bud and I dug out the tombstone of John Maner
Poythress 1832-1866 there had been a fence built around the grave at the
time of burial in 1866. The part of the fence that had remained several
inches underground would have been perfectly acceptable to use again as
building material when Bud and I found it in 1999...assuming one could
even drive a nail into it now which is doubtful.
The long needle pine was virtually cleared out of the South in the last
half of the nineteenth century. These beauties grew to 100 feet or
more. What you see in the South today is either slash or loblolly pine
planted by paper companies. Don't believe their nonsense about we're
"growing" more trees than we found used to imply environment-friendly.
The fact is a plantation pine mono-culture supports pine trees, weeds
and very little of anything else. Likely its only virtue is it's better
I have been asked to re-post the biographical sketch of Wilson Conner
Cooper, which is taken from the diary of his brother, Rev. Thomas B.C.
Cooper. Rev. Cooper began his diary in the 1840's and continued it
until about 1906. It contains biographical sketches of his brothers,
sisters, parents and grandparents. It also contains a day to day record
of the life of this remarkable man, educator and minister, and his
family, who had come from near Mt. Vernon, GA. to Cooperville in Screven
County to claim an inheritance. My own ancestors, the Evans and Moores,
were closely associated with this family and very involved in the
schools in which the Cooper men taught. I possessed a hand written copy
of this diary for many years, and gave it to Cooper family descendants
who placed it in the Cooper collection at Brewton Parker College at Mt.
Vernon. Many members of my family served under "Captain" John Randolph
Cooper, another brother, who was captain of the "Ogeechee Rifles" a un!
it of the 25th Georgia Infantry Brigade which was 1st Company D, later
Co. K, of Wilsons, Stevens, and Jacksons Army of Tennessee. This unit
served in the Battle at Jackson, Miss. Chickamauga (where they were
engaged in the first moments of the battle) all the battles from Dalton
to Jonesboro, Franklin, Nashville, Murphreesboro, Bentonville and
The original request was made for the Confederate military record of
Wilson Conner Cooper. His brother states that he served at the end of
the war. In the last days of the Confederacy, there was a call for the
defense of Georgia from the invading armies of the north. What was left
of the local militias, old men, boys, and those previously considered
unfit for service went to help defend Atlanta. Very few records and
muster roles exist from these last called soldiers. It was probably in
this group that Wilson C. Cooper served.
Wilson Conner Cooper named for grandfather Conner, was the oldest. He
was small of body fair complexion black hair and blue eyes. From a boy,
he was passionately fond of reading and study and so spent much of the
nights after the days farmwork, by the light of home made tallow candles
and lightwood knots. His school opportunities were very limited but his
own efforts mainly he procured the means to take a course at Brown
University. He managed with his father's and younger brothers
assistance to raise about twenty bales of cotton which with the high
price then prevailing added to what he had previously made by teaching a
school in Laurens County, sufficed to pay his expenses. He graduated at
that institution while Dr. Wayland was president, in 1841. He was
strictly moral and temperent having no bad habits but did not make
professsion of religion till later in life. He ws baptized July 1852 by
Rev. James Miller Pastor and joined Wades Church (Screven County) of
which h! e was afterwards on Oct. 16, 1854, made a deacon, myself
assisting in the ordination and preaching the sermon. His life work was
teaching and farming. He married Miss Eliza Jane Durant of Chatham
County, formerlly of South Carolina. She became a large, fleshy lady of
fair complexion, blue eyes and black hair. She was always healthy and
handsome till the time of her death. Alhough high tempered and
passionate she made him a good and useful wife and governed her children
well. He settled in the lower part of Cooperville (Screven County)
where J. C. Hollingsworth now lives and was himself building a large
dwelling house at the time of his death, in the upper story of which he
had previously taught a boarding school. (The J. C. Hollingsworth house
was torn down this year, 2003. - Alex Lee) He was in Condederate
service during the latter part of the war, although exempt by law as a
teacher, and suffering from enlargement of the heart. He accumulated
one of the best and most valuable private libraries in the state, He
acquired a vast treasury of varied knowledge, but on account of natural
timidity, employed it almost en! tirely within his own family and
school, and among his immediate neighbors.
After his return from college he taught school regularly for several
years, first in what was called the "Old Young House" three miles below
home on the Lousiville Road and then at Paris Hill, a new Academy which
he had been instrumental in establishing. (THe Young family was a
prominent family living near Cameron, now the old Capt. Henderson place.
It was the Young family who named "Sylvania" and Halcyondale", Willis
Young, I believe. The Paris Hill Academy stood at the south end of
Jarrell Pond and was in tis day a very advanced school. Some children
even from Bulloch County came there for higher education. - Alex Lee)
He taught his brothers and sisters free of tuition. He had eleven
children four of whom died about the same time when quite young, of
diphtheria and another soon afterwards of dysentery. Their names were
Frank, Lizzie, Joe, Mattie, George, Booney, Molley, Belle, Nannie,
Lutie, Janie. He and the first five named children are buried in Wades
Cemetery, middle row. His wife, Joe, Nannie, and Lutie are buried in
Bryan Texas, to which state they moved after his death, and in which
town she made her home. Mollie who marred Mr. O. E. Marshall member of
a Savannah family, and Belle a widow with one daughter, Janie are living
together in Brownwood Texas, and Janie wih her husband near Bryan.
Molley has five or six children but I know the names of only Anna and
Interesting maps and photos of the trails.
I would like to get to the LVA also. I would hate to think that making a
trip there that they would actually limit the amount of papers that you
could go through.................Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress" <brerfox(a)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 9:24 AM
Subject: Semi-neat site
> The Trading Path Association is a non-profit NC group whose members
> study the historical trading and migration routes between
> Virginia and NC across the Piedmont. Address: www.tradingpath.org
> <http://www.tradingpath.org/> ...two or three very interesting maps
> are on the site.
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
The Trading Path Association is a non-profit NC group whose members
study the historical trading and migration routes between
Virginia and NC across the Piedmont. Address: www.tradingpath.org
<http://www.tradingpath.org/> ...two or three very interesting maps
are on the site.
This was on the Mecklenburg, VA county wire this morning:
I just found this out from another list .
Free census records from heritage quest for a limited time.
HeritageQuest Online and ProQuest Historical New York Times - Password
is Welcome as it states under the heritage quest link on that page.
Have fun !
MP comments: you may find a nougat here. I didn't but I didn't look
all that hard.
The historical NY Times was of no interest (to me at any rate).
At the Heritage Quest site you can look up "books" by surname; for
Poythress the first several were worthwhile "real" books will likely
interest most of us. However, after about a dozen entries the list
quickly degenerated into one of those sweeps that calls anybody else's
gedcom "a book" and it's no more comprehensive than any of the other
sites that do this, most often at no cost.
For the portion of Heritage Quest that is the Census Look-ups, it's
fairly good considering the price (free) but it only lists one line
heads of household, won't find variant spellings, and won't find one
surname living in the household of another. Elaine has already hauled
this heavy water for us and her list on the website is much more
productive. However, if you are doing a casual search for some Sally
Lou Laudermilk type and don't have any other resource you can likely
find her (if she's head of a household).
Bummer... It would've been great to get back via Peter's DNA to that of
Francis Poythress himself.
Thanks for your interest in the project, Randy.
11/7/03 Randy Jones wrote:
> --- "Barbara P. Neal" <bp_neal(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
>>if we could find a Poythress-surnamed
>>male who descended
>>from your ancestor Peter Poythress who married Ann
>>Jones in 1711, that
>>would be fantastic. I confess that he is not one of
>>the Poythress men
>>that I have much familiarity with.
> To the best of my knowledge, his daughter Ann
> (1712-58) was an only child.
> -- Randy Jones
I'm sorry Maynard (& your relatives), for the confusion I mistakenly
caused for all of us in mis-stating your descent from Meredith Poythress
in my message last night, where I erroneously said that I understood
Maynard to be descended from Meredith Poythress' son George Washington
I think I must have been looking at a printed version of your family's
record, and have skipped a portion, when going back & forth between
reading & typing. Should not have sent out my message before "sleeping
on it" and proofreading it.
Thank you, Maynard, for the correction you sent to me tonight, which
corrected info I am including here to get your record straight:
<snip> 11/6/03 John M. Poythress wrote:
> We are decended from
> Meredith Poythress, Sr. by his first wife Edith Cleaton of
Mecklenburg County, VA.
>Meredith Poythress, Jr. m. Susan R. Maner
>John Maner Poythress m. Rhoda Gross
>Horace Cullen Poythress m. Flossie Odetta Wells (they are our
--- "Barbara P. Neal" <bp_neal(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
> We also still need a man who knows he descends from
> Peter Poythress of
> Mecklenburg County, VA in the same time latter half
> of the 1700s.
I am a descendent of the Peter Poythress who married
1711 Ann Jones, and who had a daughter Ann
(1712-58)who married Richard Bland. Is this the one
from whom you need a DNA test?
-- Randy Jones
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