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Prince George County, 1790 Personal Property Tax List (printed page in Clayton
Library- no other years
Poythres, William (sic)
Poythress, Joshua, Est.
1) this list incomplete insofar as rate and amount of tax not included.
personal property will be itemized when original is located in LVA.
2) land taxes for 1790 for comparison with above:
Peter Poythress 100
Mary Poythress 100
Joshua Poythress 404
William Poythress 184
Mary Poythress 293
For sure, comparisons are odious; contradictions implied from above:
a) Peter Poythress, with huge land holdings, not taxed for personal property.
b) One of the Mary Poythresses escaped personal property tax in 1790
c) Unless William Poythres and William Poythress are the same (doubtful), one
of them escaped personal property taxes in 1790.
d) Joshua is "Est." for personal property, would presumably be "alive" for
e) Summary conclusion: the two taxes appear to be on uncoordinated tracks
unless there are unusual circumstances.
3) The personal property tax records above are only the one year of taxes.
In 1782, VA enacted a major revision of the laws providing for statewide
enumeration at the county level of both land and personal property. Both
kinds of taxes are shown in yearly sequence on microfilm at LVA.
We HAVE recorded (see: Virgina Land Tax Records, Prince George County) the
land taxes from 1782 thru 1798 (microfilm reel 255 in LVA, 1782-1811)
REMAINDER OF PROJECT (which likely can only be done at LVA)
a) finish the land property records in reel 255 for years following 1798
b) record all of the years beginning 1782 for personal property tax records
"Hello. Someone on another list sent out a message giving the following URL.
I've checked in out, and on 1 July (this Sunday), the fee for a copy of one
SS application will jump from $7 to $27 if you do have the SSN, and to $29 if
you do not. Other fees are going up as well. The entire list is at the
So let's all get those requests into the mail.
Nice sleuthing, Diana. Did you know that your second and third site quotes
(and texts) were duplicates.
This matter of "finding Francis" all by his own records is begining to be
like sifting through grains of sand at the beach. I think I'm even up to a
separate 3-ring binder for him, with still no reference to his parents.
Authors Collins and "the James boys" however, hint at an avenue that looks to
perhaps have more potential (although it hasn't done anything for us yet)
than looking for Francis himself.
Francis had two sisters, both of whom married and moved to Kentucky:
One sister married a Peniston and lived in Mercer County (s. of Lexington).
Peniston is a rather old and venerable name in KY and has a number of avid
researchers. I have asked each as I ran across them to keep an eye out, not
especially for Francis but for the clue to Francis' parentage via the records
of his Peniston sister. So far, no gold.
The second sister is the one referred to by Collins, et al., the widow
"Prior" (although I have without exception seen it as Pryor in Kentucky
records). My guess would be that the family either changed the spelling;
or, more likely Collins, et al., writing
thirty years after Francis' death, may have just used the conventional
"prior". In any case, I will now add "Prior" to my search criteria. Since
they both start off "Pr" however, I suspect I might have picked up a Prior if
one had been there anyhow.
If the family of Francis and his two sisters were relatively well fixed as
the stories hint, perhaps there were legacies passing to the daughters.
Unfortunately, those wills would likely be in the home county of the very
grantor parents whom we are chasing, wouldn't they? Perhaps not.
The really bad news (not unexpected) was that I can't find any census records
on the Pryor or Peniston families related to the two female Poythress girls.
Francis himself died at a advanced age, in 1817 as I recall, so by 1840 (when
the censuses start having real information) it is likely all three siblings
At any rate, I'm only suggesting that we punch Pryor and Peniston into our
hint list and react if the names pop up.
Yesterday, while looking for something else (of course) I cam across two
Both were found in a double picture holder.
The first according to the writing on the back is a picture of Mary Ellen
Poythress Roberts done at J. H. Faber (or Tabor) of Granby St., Norfolk. In
pencil, in a different hand is written "Sis" and "Mary Ellen Roberts." She
was born in 1857 and died in Feb 1921.
The second according to the writing on the back (in the same hand) is
Benjamin Poythress ? and Susan M. _______ done at M.D. Trainor, Eutaw and
Lexington Sts., Baltimore, MD. I find this to be unlikely given the attire
but there is a resemblance and theoretically the person who owned the
pictures would know his own grandparents.<G> I am unable to fathom why they
would be in Baltimore for pictures. He was a huckster and this guy is dress
fairly fancy in my mind for a huckster.
I have made JPEG copies of the files for who would like to see them. Just
send me an email and I will send you them as an attachment.
Craig R. Scott, CGRS
Willow Bend Books
65 East Main Street
Westminster, MD 21157-5026
For the benefit of those who've never had any reason to have to think about
it, I wanted to let folks know:
Identity theft involves people out there in the world who seek out
opportunities to "adopt" a different identity for themselves (name, date of
birth) whether or not they can also get that name's correct Social Security
number (using a bogus one, instead) or that person's true mother's maiden
name , though of course knowing those items, too, just makes it all the
easier for them. These kinds of people steal identities in order to open
credit/bank accounts in that identity. They run up huge bills which they
do not pay, and then abandon that identity & move on to a different one.
When those credit card companies & banks & cell phone companies start
trying to collect their bills from such people, they try sending their
collection notices to any logical address for that identity -- including
the legitimate address for that name, which they of course can get from
credit reporting agencies, and which they logically assume is another
address for the same "person."
I've recently been made more personally aware of this problem because
someone(s) took the identities of 3 young adults we know well. The
suspect(s) apparently had gotten some of those unsolicited credit card
applications that are always coming, out of the trash. They sent the
applications in to the credit card companies to open new accounts, changing
their addresses to ones unrelated to the real young people. Once they had
the new credit cards, they opened up further accounts for cell phones & at
local stores & banks -- opening numerous accounts -- and they ran up huge
bills on ALL the accounts.
When the dunning letters began arriving several months later at the true
addresses of the legitimate people, it meant they had to initially notify
not only all the various companies, but also all the credit reporting
agencies mentioned below in a recent message off-List to me from one of our
- Equifax 1-800 525-6285
- Experian (formerly TRW) 1-800-301-7195
- Trans Union 1-800-680-7289
- Social Security Administration also has a fraud line at 1-800-269-0271
Such follow-up hassles include filling out affidavits swearing that the
bills are fraudulent, and literally months of writing letters & making
calls trying to clear one's own credit. It is very similar to the problems
one can immediately have from a lost wallet, but this kind of identity
theft is more insidious because the person whose identity has been stolen
doesn't know immediately -- they don't know until much later, when MUCH
damage has been done.
Shred such credit applications before you put them in the trash.
And as far as List or Board situations, PLEASE be aware and be protective
of your own identity & that of your extended family and fellow researchers.
Do not make freely available in messages that can be archived & available
to anyone with an internet search capability, ANY exact dates of birth for
LIVING people. If you want to discuss your own family in some List or
Board situation & want to give just a year of birth for yourself, or a
month & year, then your fellow readers should be able to readily understand
that they don't need it to be more exact.
See below. So far, many corporations have been quite lax in pursuing this
new federal law. Given that internet service providers in part make their
living by shopping "prospective customer" information all over the place,
don't be surprised if you have not heard from your internet service provider.
You might want to think about taking the inititave as below.
June 26, 2001
AOL Customer Service:
Recent federal legislation has imposed upon you the requirement to seek
permission from the customer prior to sharing any information you may have
relative to that customer.
with respect to sharing customer information and the extent to which you
intend to share any information not required by law. This policy would also
extend to sharing of information with others in your "corporate family", e.
g., in your case, Time or any other corporate entity.
As a part of this notice, the customer is to be given the opportunity to "opt
out" of your policy, thereby making it illegal for you to engage in such
information sharing to any degree as it pertains to that particular customer.
Since I have not heard from you in this matter, please accept this e-mail as
my notitification that I wish to "opt out" of any policy of yours which
shares ANY information regarding me with entities within or without of the
AOL-Time Warner, Inc. organization. Would you be so kind as to acknowledge
receipt of this notification? Thank you.
Yours very truly,
John M. Poythress
My question relayed from another list was the issue of My Family--a
subsidiary of Ancestry.com--claiming to copyright stuff on the Genconnect. I
think the legal issue is incorrectly put by the authors of the attached
excerpts, but I think one has the right to ask why a copyright notice is
necessary. What are the intentions of Ancestry. I know others are bothered
by Yahoo--who bought Geocities--and by Family Tree Maker making similar
copyright claims on hard-earned material donated by thousands of people all
around the country.
It is my understanding that genealogy material cannot be copyrighted, but
perhaps any write-ups which combine and extrapolate facts are.
I have checked out nothing, which is why I didn't send this to the list
originally. Perhaps when I have more time I will. I for one think
Ancestry.com's financial rescue of Rootsweb is something to be commended. I
am just curious if there is a "catch."
Excerpts of the issue from the other list.
As list admin for several lists on rootsweb and gen connect board, I
> decided to check out the new boards. If you choose to print a
> message, you will get a notice that the INFORMATION is copyright by
> MYFAMILY.COM and cannot be used without their permission. It doesn't
> say anything about the author, just the permission of MYFAMILY.COM.
> It would be sad to find later on that you couldn't use you own family
> Bible records because MYFAMILY.COM holds the copyright.
> They don't bother to put this forth when someone posts, only when
> they choose to print.
> Carol R.
> Anyway, I have resisted giving Ancestry.com the 70 bucks a year not
> particularly begruded the 70 bucks but I have "accumulated" too much
> information already......what I need is some ORGANIZATION.....and of
> only I can do that.
> Craig.....you stay up today on all this stuff....give us a "see Spot run"
> it, would you?
I'm not sure I know what the question is.
Diana, I got that message and didn't pay attention to it because I figured
they'd tell me when it was put together and I didn't need to watch the birth
However, I did go to Myfamily.com and afterwards made the comments below to
the Screven list lady and got the below answer which still doesn't tell me
much except that Ancestry.com bought Rootsweb. No particular surprise there
even if I didn't get the news. "Volunteer" subscriptions never stay afloat.
Anyway, I have resisted giving Ancestry.com the 70 bucks a year not because I
particularly begruded the 70 bucks but I have "accumulated" too much
information already......what I need is some ORGANIZATION.....and of course
only I can do that.
Obviously, at some point I'll join and not be unhappy to do so but no point
in digging my hole even deeper right now.
Craig.....you stay up today on all this stuff....give us a "see Spot run" on
it, would you?
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 14:01:44 EDT
Deborah, I apologize but I wasn't paying attention when you first announced
the "merger" of two databases, presumably Rootsweb and Ancestry.com.
I went to Myfamily.com and discovered that Ancestry.com is largely "fronting"
the deal and one must join (pay) to access their combined data.....which was
in part previously free on the Rootsweb site.
Is this all there is to it or is there something I am missing here? I have a
feeling there is more to this.
John M. Poythress
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 19:57:17 -0600
From: "Deborah Byrd" <dbyrd(a)lightcom.net>
Ancestry bought out Rootsweb two years ago. Without the merger Rootsweb.com
would no longer exist. Not enough users donated for their free services so
Ancestry stepped in. The merger allowed for free services to continue and
to have a user pay portion also.
The meger between Genconnect and The ancestry family history boards
maintains the FREE USE of the boards. You don't have DON'T have to pay to
view or post to the Boards. Ancestry requires that the user chose an id and
password to give the user the ability to edit their mailing address for
board messages they posted and eventually to edit the messages that the user
The apperance of needing to pay for the boards is an issue that we have
raised. However, Ancestry doesn't have an alternative way to proved the
user the abilty to change addresses or edit previously posted messages.
Broken Mail links was one of the major complaints with Genconnect.
If anyone has anymore questions holler. The system still is in flux, and
they have found some glitches but expect them to be solved in the next
couple of weeks.
P. S. (from MP)...it also strikes me that if all one can access is the posts
to the query board and they haven't figured out a "discriminatory function"
of some type you'll get every message in the world in your mail box if you
"subscribe" even to the free list. That's not very appealing but SURELY they
figured that one out.
Subj: Re: Ancestry
To: <A HREF="mailto:BPoythress">BPoythress</A>
Dunno, Bud, but I'll copy it along to the list......(thanks for the
comment....however, I think Debbie is after "William" and her William is
considerably before 1889).
in a message dated 6/23/01 6:55:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BPoythress
> Subj: Re: Ancestry
> Date: 6/23/01 6:55:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> From: <A HREF="mailto:BPoythress">BPoythress</A>
> To: <A HREF="mailto:VKRatliff">VKRatliff</A>
> That R. W. Poythress is probably Warren Poythress from the Newington area
> of Effingham/Screven County bunch. I recall my Dad mentioning a Warren
> Poythress who probably stopped by my Dad's store on his travels to and from
> Savannah/Newington, etc. Warren could have very well worked for the rail
> road in and around Savannah.
> Isn't it Debbie Freeman who might be connected with a Warren Poythress of
> Just guessing cuz,
This from the lady who runs the Screven board so I'd assume its applicable to
other "county" boards. I know nothing about it so I guess I'll go exploring
like the rest of us.
From: "Deborah Byrd" <dbyrd(a)lightcom.net>
Subject: [GASCREVE] Message boards
Okay the message board system is up and running on Myfamily.com. They are
very different from the old genconnect boards. All of the categories are
listed on the board page, so no more separate query, deeds, bios, obits,
wills, and deeds boards.
When you post a message, the query category is the default so no need to
select it if you are posting a query. If you are posting a deed etc, there
is a pull down menu to select which category you are using. There are
several search features, according to traffic on the board admin mailing
list some of the search features seem to be acting up don't use the global
one, it brings up ever message ever sent with the key word in it. the
boolerian protocols for search words don't appear to be working yet.
Have a look around, be patient, lots of bugs still in the system. Opinion
is out on the new boards. Some love them, some hate them.
In a message dated 6/23/01 6:15:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Subj: Re: Ancestry
> Date: 6/23/01 6:15:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> From: aviddiva(a)bellsouth.net (Christine Poythress)
> To: VKRatliff(a)aol.com
> these sound like my great grand fathers
Well, Christine, you rascal, have you been lurkin' and not letting us know
whom you're "after"? Hope it is a "hit" for you. I'm fairly sure Warren and
maybe Reubin are out of Effingham County. However, for the time they were in
Savannah you should be in luck; Chatham County has great records. "R. W.
Poythress" is a blank for me. Let me poke about in my mountain of papers and
I'll see what I can find on the first two for you.
Of course is it probably the grand-daughter of one of these two that has the
family bible that connects all of our various families together into one.
And being in the proud position of having the, what shall I call it,
progenitor with the latest birth date I take that late in the game stuff
I was in Birmingham and as is my norm I checked the phone book for
Poythress. There were several. Of course I never call them, I just check the
> > Got it! Hope it means more to you than it does to me :(
> > Name Business Name Occupation Location 1 Location 2 City State Year
> > Reuben W. Poythress C. R. R watchman Savannah GA 1889
> > J. Warren Poythress S. Guckenheimer & Sons clk bds 202 State Savannah
> > 1891
> > R. W. Poythress C. R. R. whf watchman Savannah GA 1891
> Thanks a ton, Jane, you're right. Probably a dead end since its pretty
> "late" in the game for most of us. Really appreciate your getting this
> us and I'll pass it along to the board in case it hits somebody.
> Thanks again,
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/
In a message dated 6/23/01 1:08:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Congs writes:
> Subj: Ancestry
> Date: 6/23/01 1:08:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> From: <A HREF="mailto:Congs">Congs</A>
> To: <A HREF="mailto:VKRatliff">VKRatliff</A>
> Got it! Hope it means more to you than it does to me :(
> Name Business Name Occupation Location 1 Location 2 City State Year
> Reuben W. Poythress C. R. R watchman Savannah GA 1889
> J. Warren Poythress S. Guckenheimer & Sons clk bds 202 State Savannah GA
> R. W. Poythress C. R. R. whf watchman Savannah GA 1891
Thanks a ton, Jane, you're right. Probably a dead end since its pretty
"late" in the game for most of us. Really appreciate your getting this for
us and I'll pass it along to the board in case it hits somebody.
....publishes a weekly newsletter of informative articles (free) and a
secondary listing of all of their new holdings as a "teaser."
One of this weeks teasers is "Savannah Georgia Directories 1888-91". The
address is: http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4487.htm
It shows 3 Poythress entrees and then wants 70 bucks/year to let you look at
the site. If anyone is a paid subscriber to this service would you please see
if you can pick them up for us. With these late dates it is unlikely that
the individuals would be
significant to any of our lines but it's nice to be sure.
If we don't have a paid member, I'll likely join myself and do the weekly
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