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While this is not Poythress-research related, I thought it worth the time
to post, having just received it myself. I know our Mac users can smugly
ignore this, since they're set to function eternally, date-wise.
= = =
>This is what you have to do to correct a small problem with your computer.
I checked mine,and sure enough, my default was for a two digit date. I
changed the default setting as set out below and hopefully, there will be
no problem on 01/01/2000. It is an easy fix which I obtained from an IBM
friend of mine.
For those of you running MS/Windows95, 98 & NT, this is a fix for a small
Y2K problem *almost* everyone should have...
Double click on "My Computer".
Double click on "Control Panel".
Double click on "Regional settings" icon.
Click on the "Date" tab at the top of the page.
Where it says, "Short Date Sample", look and see if it shows a "two digit
Unless you've previously changed it -- it does. That's because Microsoft
made the 2 digits the default setting for Windows 95, Windows 98 and NT.
This date is the date that feeds *ALL* application software and will not
roll over into the year 2000. It will roll over to the year 00. (*)
Click on the button across from "Short Date Style" and select the option
that shows, "mm/dd/yyyy" or "m/d/yyyy".
Be sure your selection has four y's showing, not just two.
Then click "Apply".
Then click "OK" at the bottom.
Easy enough to fix. However, every "as distributed" installation of
Windows worldwide is defaulted to fail Y2K rollover...
(*) NOTE: Some application software would (naturally) expect the year "00"
to be the year "1900". Some of those applications might function
(seemingly) OK...with merely the "day of the week" being misinterpreted
UNTIL: 29 Feb, 2000 -- which the s/ware will think is: 01 Mar, 1900
-- because 1900 was NOT a Leap Year...
The Temple by the Family History Center does not face LITTLE Santa Monica
Blvd. I had a brain-lapse. It indeed faces Santa Monica Blvd.
Specifically it is on the north side of Santa Monica Blvd, and the entrance
to the grounds is on the west side of Manning.
By the way, I have since learned that indeed there is a big Sons of
Revolution library, but I haven't been to it yet.
Now, the "Big LA Temple" referred to is the great Family History Center on
the grounds of the Mormons Temple in West L A. The temple faces Little
Santa Monica Blvd, not far east of the I-405, though its actual address is
10777 Santa Monica Blvd. Phone there at the Family History Center is
310-474-9990. You enter the grounds from the sidestreet, which is Manning,
and drive up a short part of their driveway toward a little guard-shack
just inside the beautiful tall wrought-iron fence. You don't have to stop
at the guard-shack. There the drive turns to the right, and then you go
straight back along that drive/street alongside the huge Temple. After the
Temple, one could turn left onto another drive/street, but you don't turn
-- just keep going & park in one of the spots along the fence on your
right, or in the parking lot that is after the brick building on your left.
The Family History Center is in the lower level of that brick building.
Enter the building from the street/drive that you were on, and take either
the elevator or the stairs that are next to the elevator, to the lower
level. You don't have to "check in" or anything, but they do keep track of
how many are "visitors" vs "members," so tell them as you enter the Library
"I'm a Visitor." They have LOTS of volunteers who can show you where
things are & help you get started. VERY friendly & very helpful. (Never
any attempt to convert anyone, either.) You are wise to take along a
lunch, as they have only a few vending-machine-type snacks there.
It is THE largest of their libraries outside of Utah. Their hours are:
Mondays 9 am - 5 pm
Tues thru Thurs 9 am - 9 pm
Fri & Sat 9 am - 5 pm
The LA Public Library referred to, is the main downtown L.A. Public
Library. Parking runs about $25 per day, so you are wise to want to ask
them about metro connections. I don't have their phone number or current
hours, but their web address is:
www.lapl.org (That is L A P L -- no numbers)
Happy hunting. If you plan a trip to the Family History Center, let me
know what day & I'll try to go the same day so we can eat our sandwiches
together or whatever. And maybe we can even get BPW & Bill to come up the
I was going thru my email files and found this among them. I have a
couple of questions following this quote:
"LA research areas are unlimited. In Burbank area there is a place
Of the Revolution Library. It was a pink building staffed by volunteers
I was there. They have endless VA material, original books,
material, DAR volumes and much more. I spent 2 full days working there
research trip once and truly want to get back. Burbank Genalogical
[Note from BPN: I'm not aware of this one, and wonder if perhaps the
of this message really meant the Southern Calif. Gen. Society, whose
library is in Burbank] has a nice small library too. Remeber each Family
History Center will have
different books and films. The big LA Temple has a HUGE selection and
wonderful long hours like Salt Lake does. I usually try to squeeze a
days in there. The main LA Public Library has a whole floor for
different traffic hours and enjoy the day. You are in research heaven
in southern CA. Best of luck. I drive 12 to 14 hours one way to spend 4
researching and visiting my daughter each summer."
I have a couple of comments on the research in downtown LA. Does anyone
have the addresses for the "Big LA Temple" and the LA Public Library and
is it and the LA Public library easily accessible by the Metrolink train
system? If so what or who do we need to contact to find out closest
train stops. I know parking down at LA Public [city,not county] can be
expensive but I can hop the Metro for less traffic hassles & maybe $$$
too] and read for an hour on the way home on the train... then get back
if it is during the week.
Welcome to the Poythress-List !! Great to read your story about what you
have drummed up on the SUNDAY surname, and hope that major progress in
POYTHRESS gatherings will develop.
I did a l-o-n-g message to the whole List on 3-9-99, of which I'll send you
a copy separately, compiling the findings from the FL Militia records,
after one of our Listers, Jane Cralle Congdon, was graciously willing to
track down all those references.
Barbara Poythress Neal (or BPN for short)
Hello POYTHRESS clan - I'm down in Gadsden County, Florida. Here's my
John P. POYTHRESS, m. Mary Ann DOLAN
Ellen Gladys POYTHRESS, m. Reuben Sevier CLARK
Reuben Byron CLARK, m. Emma Lily "Emily" SUNDAY
Linda Ellen CLARK, m. James Augustus SMITH
Gene Poythress from Chattahoochee, Gadsden County, and my Dad from
Tallahassee, Leon County, Florida are cousins. Gene's dad, Robert
Clarence "Bob" and my Grandmother are brother and sister.
I will not repeat all the information I've sent to Barbara Poythress
Neal this weekend about our family search for the ancestors of John P.
("Price" - is family tradition) POYTHRESS, b. 19 Sept. 1833 in Gadsden
We are attempting to document whether James P. POYTHRESS, who was in
eastern Gadsden County at least by early 1827, the date of his land
patent, was the father of our John P. POYTHRESS. Records show that
later James P. Poythress owned property in the western part of the
county in the vicinity of the DOLAN family and this same area is where
John P. and Mary Ann lived and raised their family. In fact, John P.
and Mary Ann's property remains in the POYTHRESS family today - Gene's
sister lives at the homeplace.
Index to Florida Mititia Muster Rolls, Seminole Indian Wars, Fla. Dept.
of Military Affairs, St. Augustine, FL
1st Lt., 0l:079-80
Portheus, William T.
2nd Lt., 07:015-16
Porthress, Wm. T.
2d Lt., 07:019-20
2nd Lt., 02:074-75
Pvt., 07:017-18, 07:021-22
Poythress, William T.
1st Lt., 07:017-18
Poythress, Wm. T.
1st Lt. 07:021-22
Has anyone investigated these various militia members? Several listings
appear to be for the same person(s).
As we all know, apparently POYTHRESS has been transcribed many different
ways. Boy, those "ss" at the end certainly do through transcribers --
"ys", "ps", "fs". Until a saw a page relating to the old script, I,
too, had trouble trying to decide what that next to the last letter was.
I'm new at all this research -- computer or otherwise. I like to be
straight forward right up front and tell you that I'm willing to share
what I know--which is not too much. Unfortunately, I do not have anyone
close to me who is into this genealogy research. Since February, I've
picked here and there on the computer. I do greatly appreciate and want
to give each of you out there a big THANK YOU for all the hundreds and
hundreds of hours you've spent on POYTHRESS research - not to mention
In March of last year, my mother and I decided to plan a SUNDAY family
reunion. I encouraged her to contact as many of her relatives around
here as possible; just get the word out and I felt like we'd have a
crowd. First time a reunion had ever been held; Mama and I gave
ourselves 8 weeks to get all the planning, etc. done and it came off
without a hitch, if I must say so myself. Mama only could reach back on
her line as far as her Great Grandpa SUNDAY. She'd always been told by
her father that the family had come from Texas! That's all she knew --
well, a lady in Texas had contacted a cousin over here in Florida about
a year prior and then nothing else. I found her name and address, wrote
to her about my Florida family. In a couple of days, she called and we
instantly hit it off with our conversation. Invited her to our upcoming
reunion and she drove over from the Houston area to be with all of us.
We had approximately 90 people to show up last year and about the same
again this year. We're all enjoying the great time together and plan to
continue the gathering on an annual basis. Then last November, I drove
my parents out to Texas and we met about 20 of our SUNDAY relatives for
lunch. This year we had another cousin from Texas, one from Oklahoma,
as well as one from right in Tallahassee, who my parents had known for
several years and a SUNDAY connection has just recently been made, come
to our family reunion!
The best part of all this SUNDAY research has been that we've learned
that Mama's Great Grandpa was born right here in Gadsden County, along
with about 10 brothers & sisters. Immediately after the Civil War, the
family packed up and moved to Texas! My GG Grandpa apparently didn't
like the new land and soon returned, married a local girl, and always
remained down here. Mama's dad was not the least interested in family
history and just never talked it to his children. We have found that
some of the Florida and Texas relatives remained in contact with each
other until sometime in the 1940s. While in Texas, we visited the
cemetery where my Great Great Grandparents are buried, as well as many
of the gravesites of their children and families. There are now about
8-10 of us out there constantly connecting more of our families
together; we are scattered from San Diego to Connecticut to Texas and
It would be so wonderful if something so easy could happen and connect
our Florida POYTHRESS family with YOU!! Looking to hear back from some
of you. Please stay with me while I learn the process! Again, thank
you for your time --
Linda Clark Smith
Gadsden County, Florida
In a message dated 7/25/99 8:25:31 PM Atlantic Daylight Time, dogtown(a)tds.net
<< We are attempting to document whether James P. POYTHRESS, who was in
eastern Gadsden County at least by early 1827, the date of his land
patent, was the father of our John P. POYTHRESS. >>
Hi Linda Clark Smith:
Welcome aboard Linda.
Just a quick question. Without doing a lot of review of my old records,
seems to me I recall a James P. Poythress living in Burke and/or Screven
County, GA in the early 1800 owning property there, and later records
indicating that he moved to Florida. I believe he returned to GA a time of
two apparently just visiting or to dispose of Georgia Property. Do yo know
about when he first showed up in Florida? Burke and Screven Counties join
one another and are located on the Savannah River between Savannah and
Augusta. I don't recall just where in Florida he went.
I'm originally from the Savannah area myself and still have lots of Poythress
relatives in that general area. There are two Poythress Family Reunions held
down there each year. The "Chatham/Effingham County Poythress Family
reunion" which I'm connected to is held the first Saturday in May each year
in Richmond Hill, just south of Savannah; and the other -- the "Screven
County Poythress Family reunion" held the 3rd Sunday in August each year in
Sylvania, Screven Co., GA. I've attended that reunion the past two years
Let me know if you have an early date on James P. Poythress. But as I recall
I'm not sure we found a connection for him even back then. But it might
provide an early location for him.
Yep, it feels good to be able to help like that. Got a real nice follow-up
personal email from Kathy thanking me for all the help & she has helped me,
too, to fill in some holes.
It also brought another Poythress query my way re the Louisiana-Florida
ones, but haven't had time to work on that one yet. Maybe tomorrow, or
Monday. . . Will post to the List when I send it, too, since that one
might prompt even more info for us all.
Great work, Barbara. Isn't it wonderful when you receive an inquiry like
that one, from someone hopelessly ignorant of the basic facts of their
family, and are able to NAIL a response like that, going back 200 years!
And the recipient, though grateful, has no sense of the tremendous
investment, the thousands of hours of research, they have just been given
in an instant.
Lyn P. Baird
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Re your message (copy below), yes, I have info on Robert Lee Poythress, or
"RL" and I am sending you a separate message with some more detail. I can
direct your children to some of their Poythress relatives, thru Joe
Poythress who lives in Mississippi. Joe and his brothers are descended
from a brother of RL's. Joe is away from the computer right now, I believe,
but should be back online within a few weeks. His email address is:
And if you'll let me know where you/your children live, I may be able to
steer you to other relatives close enough to where you/they are, for
meeting if they want to meet some of their Poythress relatives. I may well
be distantly related to them, too, and I live in the Los Angeles area. My
great-great-grandfather, James Edward Poythress, was supposedly the uncle
of James Speed Poythress (mentioned below as being the ancestor of RL), and
supposedly James Speed Poythress accompanied James Edward Poythress & his
family when they moved in 1853 from Mecklenburg County, VA to Sumter
County, Alabama. (I'm still looking for proof of that last sentence.)
"R L" or Robert Lee Poythress, Jr. was born 19 Nov 1900 in Meridian,
Lauderdale Co, Mississippi (abbreviated MS); he died 30 January 1982 in
Meridian and is buried at a nice cemetery there, Magnolia Cemetery, the
office for which is at 2638 23rd Ave, Meridian, MS 39305, phone (601)
483-4225. R L had several wives that I am aware of (See my separate
message to you for more info)
In a book which I'm sure is still available, there is a good amount of info
available about RL's father, "Bob" or Robert Lee Poythress. "Bob" was
born 6 March 1871 in Sumter County, Alabama, which is just across the
stateline from Meridian by the way, and died 3 July 1948 in Meridian; he
too is buried at Magnolia. Also in the book is a good amount of info about
RL's grandfather, James Speed Poythress. James Speed Poythress was born 24
Sept 1829 in VA, and died 17 March 1923 in Meridian, MS; he is buried at
Rose Hill Cemetery in Meridian.
The book should be available for purchase from Mount Barton Publishers,
4201 Pineview Drive, Meridian, MS 39305, phone (601) 482-2505. The book
was copyrighted in 1993 by Betty Lawrence, Mrs. Tom Lawrence, who died not
long afterward. Her husband is the one selling the books. This book is not
bound. While it does have some errors in it (mainly errors of omission of
some people), it has MUCH great information. It has 187 pages. The title
is: "Giles and Joan (Pearce) Gilbert, Sr., and James Edward [Poythress]
and Catherine Smith (Preston) Poythress, and Descendants, and Related
Families: Bennett, Lavender, McDaniel, McKinley, Peel, Pinson" It seems
to me that it cost around $20 to $30, and is well worth it for info on the
James Speed Poythress line.
The father of James Speed Poythress was David Poythress, who was born 26
January 1800 and who died 26 Sept 1876 (the dates are according to his
gravemarker, in Elmwood Cemetery, Henderson, Vance County, NC). David lived
in Mecklenburg County, VA before going to NC.
We are fairly sure that David's father was Lewis Poythress, about whom we
know some & are seeking to learn more all the time.
Others on this Poythress-List are descended from James Speed Poythress, and
from David Poythress.
So there in a nutshell you have your children's Poythress connection back
about 200 years.
Barbara Poythress Neal
= = =
Does anyone know who Robert Lee Poythress was? He was born around 1909 I'm
guessing. In Missouri? I can't find marriage
information, but he had a child with Addie Kate Davis named Carol. Born
November 8, 1931 died Sept 5, 1957. This woman Carol, was the Grandmother
of my children. Her son was put up for adoption soon after her death. My
children are looking for their Poythress roots. Any information would be
Does anyone know who Robert Lee Poythress was? He was born
around 1909 I'm guessing. In Missouri? I can't find marriage
information, but he had a child with Addie Kate Davis named
Carol. Born November 8, 1931 died Sept 5, 1957. This woman Carol, was the
Grandmother of my children. Her son was put up for adoption
soon after her death. My children are looking for their Poythress
roots. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Hello all from the Cotswolds
Progress report on Jean & Maynard - we met up for lunch today and it was
wonderful to meet them both at long last. Although we didn't have long
together, it was very special and he has asked me to pass on his greetings!
They are now on their way to Oxford and Blenheim and assure me they are
loving every minute, having visited Winchester, Gloucester, Newent and Wales
on route - the QE2 wasn't bad either!
To Doers, not Watchers:
Aren't there enough local people who live in the vicinity of Shiloh
Church Cemetery to organize a cleanup crew by themselves? We don't need
to ask people up in Decatur, GA to help us with our abandoned
I find it very interesting that so many people only want the
from the old tombstones at these old cemeteries. Is that ALL that is
the cemeteries? What about:
1. Repairing some of the broken tombstones, and setting the fallen ones
2. Filling dirt in the graves that have fallen in.
3. Cutting down some trees & vines.
4. Making a plat of where the graves are located at.
5. Marking the boundaries of the cemetery.
6. Putting up some sort of a wire or fence to let people know that this
is a cemetery that is not to be desecrated.
7. Letting the County officials know that there is a cemetery there, and
making sure that they show it on their tax maps, so that there is no
excuse if a farmer or contractor decides to "take" possession of these
SACRED burial grounds.
What about the fact that these historic places have been ABANDONED, and
usually in full knowledge of people who have parents or grandparents
buried there? There is absolutely NO excuse for it at all! I don't
to hear anything about how all of these folks have moved away, or that
they are too old to do the work themselves. These folks have younger
relatives who don't mind getting up early in the morning, and going into
the woods to set up a deer stand to go hunting. There are plenty of
descendants who are ABLE to perform the necessary upkeep of these
ABANDONED, let me say it again, ABANDONED cemeteries.
In August 1992, I became aware of an old family cemetery that was near
property. It was grown over so bad, that I could hardly see the
when I first walked through it. I decided to clean it up, because the
people who were buried there, used to live on my property. I worked on
it alone for a few weeks, but found out that I needed some help. So, I
contacted one of the local lineage societies, who were glad to help
this cemetery up.
In April 1993, we organized a memorial service for 3 of the soldiers who
were buried at that cemetery; and guess what? Over 200 people, of which
at least half were family members, showed up. WHERE were all of these
people when this cemetery was growing up right before them? And where
were they all at when we were cleaning THEIR family's cemetery up?
It just goes to show you, that most folks nowadays, are not going to
VOLUNTEER to do anything for FREE. They'll TAKE whatever info, etc.
you can GIVE them, but when it comes time for them to DO their fair
of community service, FORGET IT!
William A. Mills
This came courtesy of Wm A Mills of Houston county Georgia list serve.
For those of you who are utilizing the Social Security Death Index in
your research, the following list may be helpful to you. It shows which
state a person resided in when their Social Security Number was issued
them. This list refers to the first 3 numbers of their Social Security
>> 001-003 New Hampshire
>> 004-007 Maine
>> 008-009 Vermont
>> 010-034 Mass.
>> 135-158 New Jersey
>> 035-039 Rhode Island
>> 040-049 Conn.
>> 050-134 New York
>> 135-158 New Jersey
>> 159- 211 Penn.
>> 212-220 Maryland
>> 221-222 Delaware
>> 223-231 Virginia
>> 232-236 West Virginia
>> 237-246 North Carolina
>> 247-251 South Carolina
>> 252-260 Georgia
>> 261-267 Florida
>> 268-302 Ohio
>> 303-317 Indiana
>> 318-361 Illinois
>> 362-386 Michigan
>> 387-399 Wisconsin
>> 400-407 Kentucky
>> 408-415 Tennessee
>> 416-424 Alabama
>> 425-428 Mississippi
>> 429-432 Arkansas
>> 433-439 Louisianna
>> 440-448 Oklahoma
>> 449-467 Texas
>> 468-477 Minnesota
>> 478-485 Iowa
>> 486-500 Missouri
>> 501-502 North Dakota
>> 503-504 South Dakota
>> 505-508 Nebraska
>> 509-515 Kansas
>> 516-517 Montana
>> 518-519 Idaho
>> 520 Wyoming
>> 521-524 Colorado
>> 525 / 585 New Mexico
>> 526-527 Arizona
>> 528-529 Utah
>> 530 Nevada
>> 531-539 Washington
>> 540-544 Oregon
>> 545-573 California
>> 574 Alaska
>> 575-576 Hawaii
>> 577-579 District of Columbia
>> 580 Virgin Islands
>> 581-585 P.R., Guam, Am. Samoa, Philipine Islands
>> 700-729 Railroad
This came from the Georgia Houston county website on rootsweb.
Houston County Researchers,
After the Civil War, in Georgia, if a child was left orphaned without a
father, because he was killed during the War, the child was left in a
real predicament. If the mother wasn't able to raise the bond money to
become the guardian of her "own children", or if she wasn't able to find
someone who could act as a surety for her, she was in real trouble! If
no one would come forth and become a guardian for that child, then
who was willing to take "charge" of that child, could "train" that child
as an "apprentice".
If this were indeed, a "real" apprenticeship situation, such as being
trained by a journeyman brick mason or blacksmith, everything would have
been just fine. But, if you take a look at the official records that
divulge this atrocity, you will see that most of these "apprentices"
being trained in the "art of farming & household service".
The Civil War may have "abolished" slavery, but there were thousands of
young children who were relegated to a life of untold harsh servitude,
both white & black. For this very reason, there was a mass exodus of
widows and their orphaned children seeking escape from this terrible
situation. It wasn't bad enough that they had to lose their fathers
diseases and injuries during the Civil War. Now, they had to escape
indentured servitude, not to mention, other "types" of physical abuse.
Have you ever wondered why SO many folks left Georgia after the Civil
War, and never returned? Georgia lost thousands of its citizens (who
went to Alabama, Texas, Mississippi, etc.) after the Civil War, just
because of this heinous situation. If your ancestors "hauled butt" out
of here, just after the Civil War, they may have been escaping from
terrible travesty against humanity. In some situations, an "apprentice"
would only be 4 or 5 years old, and had to endure the severe hardships
indentured servitude until they were 21 years old.
Whenever there is a chance to capitalize on an unfortunate situation,
can be certain that there are unscrupulous individuals who are only too
willing to take advantage of those who are less fortunate. There were
some incidents where an "apprentice" would actually kill those who were
"training" them. And there were also incidents where 12 year old
children were hung for the crime of murdering those who were "training"
There is very little that is publicly written about this very dark side
of Georgia's past. You have to "read between the lines" as you are
researching the court records involving these "apprenticeships". In
reality, we have no idea of what our ancestors may have had to endure
during, and especially AFTER the Civil War!
If you would like to see if one of your ancestors had to endure such a
situation as this, please view LDS Microfilm # 0296031 at any Family
History Center throughout the world. This microfilm is entitled:
Indenture of apprenticeships, 1866-1930. Please note how the beginning
date starts right after the Civil War. Do you think that this is just
some sort of a coincidence? The original records are at the Houston
County Probate Court in Perry, Georgia.
William A. Mills
On Sat, 10 Jul 1999 10:24:58 -0400 "Jack Butler"
You should keep in mind that under early GA law a child was considered
orpahned if the Father died - even if the mother was still alive. It
not uncommon to have mothers appointed guardian of their own children.
Got this from the Georgia Houston county web site today. Thought it
would prove useful.
"You should keep in mind that under early GA law a child was considered
orpahned if the Father died - even if the mother was still alive. It
not uncommon to have mothers appointed guardian of their own children."
this was posted by Jack Butler
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