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Hi Linda......we'd love it if you could cut out some time to chase those
Gadsden County, FL Poythresses. I'd bet my hat they are ALL descendents of
James P. Poythress so they should be a neat little bundle (yeah, that's what
I always think before I discover a multi-headed dragon).
Re Houston.....have no connections there that I know of as both my kids have
moved there in past 5 years. And I have already worked that Clayton Library
pretty hard as we go for almost entire month of December and I go to the
Clayton just to get out of the way...usually 3 or 4 complete days. I'll be
doing the same again this trip and will post whatever I find.
Thanks for dredging that one out of the archives for me. Now I remember that
it was those two guys that Barbara Neal found in Brunswick County that made a
believer out of me. I have since seen so many other variants I'll take
almost anything but Smith or Jones nowadays.
Back in February, Teresa Willis found some dynamite stuff in that Brunswick
County library.....something like 7 entries. Teresa, we couldn't talk you
into doing ALL of Brunswick County and in transcription instead of abstract,
could we? I suspect we'd all pledge you our undying love.....that is, if you
survive the experience. I'd give anything to have a week to scour that whole
Brunswick archive out. Does anybody know if all the various "books" are on
microfilm somewhere or is it a "pull down the dusty boxes" operation. I kind
of assume someone has transcribed it since Teresa said "library " and not
Carol Morrison has done a first rate job of sending us some P's but her
interest, after all, is in Morrisons and she'd make a career out of it if she
added Poythress to her "do it complete" list.
I've got the week to do it in but I'd much rather find it on-line
(improbable) or maybe
inter-library loan if that's possible. Teresa, would you check that out for
me and if you'd give me a bibliography of what to ask for (assuming the books
are eligible for inter-library loan, I'll take it on. I have the strongest
of hunches that Brunswick is where we are going to find the link between
Prince George and Mecklinburg.
Jean and I will be leaving 12/9 for our yearly jaunt to Houston to spend
Christmas with both kids. I'll be spending some time in the Clayton Library.
They have an excellent index of their microfilm....I seem to remember that
they don't have any of this Brunswick stuff which is no particular surprise
but I'll check again. We'll be returning to Louisville about 12/27 or so.
I got two copies of this today, both from genealogical contacts so there is
at least a chance it will show up on your pc.
If you get an attached file named "Pretty Park" scene zap the whole thing,
message and all. Its got a worm virus according to my Norton detector. My
copy came from a friend so its one of those hidden viruses that you don't
pick up unless you're running a heavy duty "detector". After you zap it you
may want to e-mail your friend (separate e-mail, don't even "reply" to the
original) that its infected.
I'm not much at writing commercials but I stumbled on a neat (and inexpensive)
child's (over, say, 6) yesterday.
For less than $10 bucks a numismatics/coin shop guy will sell you uncirculated
quarters minted to date from both Philadelphia and Denver mints that
commemorate each of the states. Included for that price is a "folder" with
slots to put each new coin in as it is issued. The mint plans to issue a new
one about 5 times a year until in the order in which the states joined the
United States. The child can then look forward to "filling in all the slots".
Five states have commemorative quarters so far issued by the mint.
Given that its getting tough to get something really unusual for a child for
under 10 bucks I thought this one was a winner.
Passing this along one more time in case someone hasn't heard of it. It
really is a first rate newsletter. They were touting it on the Screven
County list today:
> One FREE newsletter I receive each month is TREASURE MAPS Genealogy
> published by Robert Ragan. I've read several helpful hints that have
helped me find more
> information about my ancestors both on-line AND off-line. There is
some "advertising", but
> the articles and ideas included are quite informative.
> If interested go to:
> "Treasure Maps" How-to Genealogy Site
> Subscribing instructions are given at this site.
If I'm not mistaken when you subscribe Mr. Ragan sends you all the back
issues; if he doesn't don't sweat it, I have them all on my hard drive.
Maynard, could you elaborate on this Virginia scenario you mention? I
recall seeing Portis in Isle of Wight and Sussex Counties, some actually
trading land in what was then Brunswick County. I have tended to
discount any connection. But if you have found something of a "rosetta
stone" linking Portis to Poythress, some of the information may warrant
Lyn P. Baird
On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:02:14 EST VKRatliff(a)aol.com writes:
>Bruce......I too was 100% convinced that Portis was not "a variant"
>a year or so ago nailed me with a Virginia scenario where there was
>question. I don't have anything to defend the proposition with but my
>inclination is to not get to agitated over finding Portis'es.
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Just wanted to say thanks for all the info on James P Poythress in GA. It was
requested by someone on the Gregory list which I also follow. I forwarded
your info. and will let you know if any additional info shows up.
Hi, Linda, great to hear from you again and thanks for weighing in on the
John P. Poythress issue.....John P. P. the mystery man would be more like it.
Anyway, may I try to put you to work?
Have you done anything on that newly posted LDS database? (address is:
www.familysearch.org). Caveat: if the thing runs real slowly on you just
a few hours later......its probably one of the most heavily used databases on
the web so you have to look to slip through a crack sometimes.
Anyway, I'd love to ask if we could "task you" (I'm learning yuppie talk from
my daughter) to straighten out that bunch of Gadsden County folks that are on
that data base.
Bad news:LDS uses some goofy suffix on their file names that I can't "save"
on disk, I can only print it out. What a pain since there are a several
hundred P's on there. If you can figure out for us how to "save" copy onto a
drive or disk that would make you
heroine of the year.
Good news: the database shows locations on "name title pages" so its pretty
easy to pick out the ones from Gadsden county. Also, the LDS database is
alpha by given name but that's only a minor pain to "skim" list since they
give you location on the index.
Note that "behind" each individual's page are several other pages that have
pedigree chart, family group record, etc. They even tell you the submitter
for each individual and the lady who looks to have filed all the Poythress
info was a Catherine F. Balaguer, 4750 Seaboard Ave., Jacksonsville, 32210.
Apparently Catherine had some problems like yours because she doesn't reach
very far back but what she has for recent generations looks to be good stuff
As I said I can't copy the stuff to a disk so I printed every page. The page
I'm looking at right now (Catherine Poythress, AFN: 1WGT-V43 (that's the LDS
code # for the individual) shows a John Price Poythress b. 19 Sep 1833, d. 6
Sep 1905 as her father.
Possibly (maybe even likely) this JPP would be the son of JPP who immigrated
Gadsden County from Screven County, Ga. The Gadsden JPP is shown as
Catherine's father and Catherine's dates are 1883-1970 so if this is
JPP is siring a kid at age 50, only slightly unusual for the time. The age
mother (Mary Ann Dolan) is not shown and HER age would be a better indicator
as to whether or not there is another JPP generation in that string.
Anyway, I think "Price" as a middle name is a thread to pull on. And without
a shred of proof I'll make book that your ultimate ancester in this scenario
is that JPP who came from Screven County, Ga. And since there are Prices in
Screven County, that would hint that maybe your guy here is indeed the
I could speculate endlessly but some of those names get into only 20 and 30
years ago and you'll likely have a lot of the "chart" carrying it around in
your head. So, will you take a whack at it? I'll bet you'd just love to
show up at Deland in March with about half those folks on a big chart (sales
pitch :) Many thanks,
P. S. did you get the Screven records okay? AOL always zips the stuff when
its long and it doesn't always work. If you got "junk" instead of text I'll
be happy to just print them and mail them to you....don't forget snail mail
Elderhostel is not for all of us for a number of reasons: age (gotta be over
55), time, expense, etc. Hard as it is for me to remember, there are those
of us who are young enough to have to work for a living :).
However, for those with an interest there is what sounds like a dynamite
course taught at Virginia Commonwealth University/Richmond once per year.
Its title is "With Roots in Virginia" and the course # is 46891-0123.
Typically VCU/Richmond offers it once a year. The Elderhostel format for
this one is for one solid week at $ 431 per person (double occupancy) but
that includes room and board for the week at a nearby motel plus all
materials. For those of you not familiar with Elderhostel and over 55 (or
about to be) I really am impressed with the courses offered all over the U.
S. by this non-profit organization.
This particular course description is:
"Many families have ancestral ties to Virginia through its role in American
history. The highly qualified staff of the Library of Virginia offers a
comprehensive course on the research tools for the practicing and amateur
historian and genealogist. Survey the basics of Virginia history and
genealogy, then learn the most effective and helpful methods to trace your
family history. The Library's extensive collection includes court, census,
military, and bible/church records; tax lists; maps; genealogical notes;
personal papers; manuscripts; and microfilm and computer materials. Expert
instruction and individual assistance, tours, and time for research await
While this year's course (listed in Elderhostel's Winter 2000 catalog) is
filled and has a substantial standby list, one can reasonably expect VCU to
present this course once a year, typically in Jan-Feb. I missed it last
year and this year but don't plan to miss it in Jan 2001.
If you have an interest you might want to write Elderhostel to get on their
75 Federal St.
Boston, MA 02110-1941
or, their website is www.elderhostel.org
Bruce......I too was 100% convinced that Portis was not "a variant" until
a year or so ago nailed me with a Virginia scenario where there was just no
question. I don't have anything to defend the proposition with but my
inclination is to not get to agitated over finding Portis'es.
Re " There is a James P. Poythress who gets a land grant in Madison County,
Florida in 1827. Is this the same James P. ?
I don't believe that he is the same as James P. Portis, but some of you may
have more information on the James P. Poythress in Florida. I haven't
tackled that line yet."
Actually I believe you meant "James P. Poythress who gets a land patent in
GADSDEN County, Florida in 1827." I have seen a copy of the patent, and
it is for 78.72 acres in Gadsden Co. Anyone wanting to see the full
description, etc, can do so at the Bureau of Land Management, General Land
Office website, where you can search by name in every state under their
coverage, for all land patents and grants:
I did some research on the James P. Poythress who was in Gadsden Co, FL,
but was unable to conclusively tie him to any earlier family. Near him in
Florida there were also records for George Poythress -- George got land in
Jackson County, FL in 1827, and Jackson Co is adjacent to Gadsden Co.
George is the one who, in his will, named his brother Lewis Poythress who
lived in Virginia as being a conditional heir, however George had other
living heirs -- his children -- and thus no search had to be conducted for
brother Lewis or descendants of brother Lewis.
Would love to hear more about James P. Portis if anyone does have info
about him, and about whether or not he is the same person as the
above-mentioned James P. Poythress.
And if its any help, look at the position of Talbot County
(Talbotton)......absolutely right on that latitude west with Pike, Upsom,
Talbot and Troup...all straight west out of Burke/Screven. Bruce, there's
just got to be something there. The name (regardless of how spelled) is just
too "specific" not to be able to trace along geographic lines....the "due
west" historical movement of those fellows is just too predictable.
Or, as a quasi-anthropolgist buddy of mine says: "the rational for "go west,
young man" was not Horace Greeley romance; it was much more mundane: new
land was cheaper than fertilizer.
Ha, Bruce, we'll all so confused about this name spelling that you may have
the right one and WE may be petitioning YOU for membership! :)
I'm still not 100% comfortable with Portis, even having proof of at least one
guy with the name shoved under my nose.
But, Portriss..... that one is so phonetically close to how my father's
family in south Georgia (and just about everyone else in the 19th century
still) pronounced it.....that it just becomes almost a "lock".
Anyway, we'll get there one of these days....and if we don't our
grandchildren will..along about the time they get interested in genealogy.
Philosophically in my dotage.....I'm resigning myself to the principle that
we just do all we can do with what we have.....and they take it from there.
(always have be an el supremo "delegator"...or so I've been told) :).
----- Original Message -----
From: bruce miller <orvus(a)wvi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 11:35 AM
Subject: JAMES P. PORTREE PIKE COUNTY, GEORGIA
> Has anyone checked the record for James P. Portree listed in the "Index to
> Georgia Wills" by Jeannette Holland Austin
> on page 122. The entry is for James P. Portree of Pike County 1823-29.
> there any chance that someone might have a copy of this information and be
> willing to share? Thanks. Bruce Miller
Bruce......I have never been very diligent in chasing the Portrees and
Portis'es of Georgia. Selfishly I suppose, because my immediate (and "in the
line") guys without exception spelled it Poythress and I concentrated on them
and therefore missed many listings for the variants. In my own defense, I
can only say that I had my hands full with the folks in Burke, Screven and
Effingham and didn't see any point in asking for more trouble.
Anyway, for what its worth:
Portree.....Pike County is on a westward line from that general Burke/Screven
area that most of the Poythress folks came to first from Virginia. We have a
family (Joseph & Mary Poythress) that wound up in Troup County (also on that
"latitude" westward) but I have been unable to hook them to ANYONE, front end
or back end. At any rate, this Portree is entirely new to me.
However, if you are considering the possibility that THIS fellow may have
been the James P. Poythress of Screven County who migrates to Gadsden County,
Fla. I would be inclined to say "no" and feel pretty comfortable with it. If
Mr. Portree's will is in Pike County 1823-1829 (northwest Ga.) he is probably
not the same because James P. Poythress is getting land granted to him in
Gadsden County, FL in late 1820's.
Portris.....I would also bet that James P. Portris is not the same as James
P. Poythress. Portris was literate; so was James P. Poythress.....I have
his signature on a few documents which I'll send you on separate e-mail as
its quite lengthy as I recall. And he consistently spells it Poythress and
signs his documents.
James P. Poythress doesn't tell us where he came from but he leaves a fairly
distinct trail: lives in Screven for what appears to be maybe early middle
age, sells off his Screven property, and moves to Gadsden County, FL where we
lose track of him around 1830.
He shows up as a Freemason in Gadsden, Co. and there is at least a slight
hint that he may have either gone to FL specifically to set up a chapter or
belonged to a chapter incidentally after he got there. I make it unlikely
that he would gravitate due north (way north) to Upson County and have a job
as Clerk of Inferior Court and then take a third trek to get a land grant in
northern Mississippi. There are also Poythresses in present Gadsden County
so James P. Poythress left either part or all of a family there in some
Heres a tad of irony.....your Portree is from Pike County and your Portis
Upson County and those two counties are contiguous in far western and
slightly northern Georgia. Gee, since Portis is literate there is no
particular suggestion that the two "variants" have any relationship with each
other even given the adjoining counties. I have learned the hard way about
estimating how much ground those fellows could cover (its a ton) on a "trip"
but when it comes to putting down some roots, three locations widely
separated begins to raise an eyebrow for me.
Its easily 175+ miles from Pike or Upson Counties, Georgia straight to
Gadsden Co., Florida. More importantly, in the time frame specified the route
would be straight through what was then still the Creek Nation. A "pass"
(routine clerical document) would be needed from the Governor's office for
that route. Few of these passes remain on record but I think I have checked
them all both by index and by abstract and nothing resembling any of these
names appeared. James P. Poythress of Screven County would likely NOT have
needed a pass since the very reason he got the land grants was for service in
the "Seminole wars" in and around Gadsden County,
Sorry I couldn't help you with Portree and Portis but I'd be comfortable
saying these two are not James P. Poythress of Screven Co., Ga. and Gadsden
Hello List Members,
I am putting out a general plea for help on James P. Portis...any
information on him or his family would be appreciated.
Maybe you have run across information on him that might help untangle the
web. I have found records of him in Upson County, Georgia, Muscogee County,
Georgia, Talbot County, Georgia.. He is in the 1830 Talbot County, Census.
He shows up on a land grant in Tippah County, Mississippi and is on the 1850
Census of Tippah County, Mississippi. His wife is listed as Pheriby...she
is Pheriby Ross, but she was first married to Green Flournoy in 1818 in
Jones County, Georgia. James P. Portis is listed as 50 years of age in the
1850 Census...born in N.C. In 1827 he was listed in the Georgia Lottery as
a winner of land and as a soldier. Tippah County, Mississippi is in the
northern part of the state bordering Tennessee. In the land grant records
of Mississippi, his name is listed as JAMES PORRELL PORTIS. The spelling
of his name never varies from state to state and he apparently had to know
how to read and write as he was the Clerk of the Inferior Court and
Treasurer in Upson County, Georgia in 1825.
There is a James P. Poythress who gets a land grant in Madison County,
Florida in 1827. Is this the same James P. ?
I don't believe that he is the same as James P. Portis, but some of you may
have more information on the James P. Poythress in Florida. I haven't
tackled that line yet.
There is a James Portis listed in the 1810 North Carolina Census and I
have not tracked that one down yet either... it would not be the James P.
Portis of Mississippi as he was born abt 1800.
Help...is there anyone who has traced this James P. Portis or has any
information...or anyone who has worked on the James P. Poythress line in
Florida, so that these two can be seperated as two distinct lines or merged
if they have a connection.
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