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While in Salt Lake in January, at the FHL, I extracted the following
Poythress marriages from film #0899110, "Lauderdale County, Mississippi
[Meridian is the countyseat] General Index to Marriage Records, white,
There was no index record of any for 1845-1851. (I now think my notation of
this fact meant that there were no indexed records for any POYTHRESS for
those years, but it could be for anyone)
Listed below for each Poythress marriage I spotted, are the year of the
marriage; the names listed in the Index; the Book #; and the page # These
Index listings should enable anyone desiring copies of the actual marriage
documentation to more easily locate it:
POYTHRESS MEN (all of whom had "Poythress" for surname):
1902 John T. & Grace D. Dunn; 4; 194
1908 B.R. & Bessie Robinson; 7; 209
1917 C.H. & Pearl Beasley; 17; 210
1918 B.E. & Lena Spinks; 17; 550
1922 Charles W. & Minnie M. Tutt; 23; 289
1924 R.L. & Florence L. Hawkins; 27; 157
1925 James S. & Rose E. Jones; 27; 314
1925 J. W. & Martha Lois Corbitt; 27; 494
1929 J. W. & Mary E. Brett; 33; 197
1929 Robert L. Jr. & Addie K. Husband; 33; 459
1934 Harold Frederick & Violet E. Crook; 38; 16
1935 Norbert Earl & Sarah Francis Davis; 39; 207
POYTHRESS WOMEN (all having surname of "Poythress"):
1904 Annie P. & Charles A. Curtis; 4; 494
1904 Sallie G. & C. M. Card; 5; 51
1904 Adelaide E. & Thomas M. Curtis; 5; 223
1910 Roberta C. & Walter J. Gartin; 8; 96
1915 Willie M. & Wm. John Trest; 13; 571
1917 Grace & Malcolm McCraw; 17; 253
1920 Kate & W. J. Gartin; 21; 92
1925 Annie Grice & Everett Shamburger; 29; 58
1927 Helen Grace & John J. Watts; 31; 167
1928 Martha & George E. Thompson; 31; 538
1928 Eleanor & Thomas C. Clancy; 33; 31
1932 Katherine & L. R. Bass; 37; 228
1935 Margaret Elizabeth & Edw. Speed; 38; 522
1938 Rose Jones & W. B. Wilmurth Jr.; 41; 364
Hope this helps folks : - )
Listers, and especially Lyn P. Baird --
I am trying to load info about James David Poythress (ggfather of Lyn --
abbreviated JDP here) and his son Len in my computer genealogy program, and
find that I'm either forgetting how the connection is known of JDP to his
parents, and to his wife & son Len, or perhaps I've never heard how we know
he is connected to them?
Following is all that I can locate (all from Lyn's messages) and everywhere
I insert a "?" is something that I figure we ought to be able to dredge up
a source reference for. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated in hunting
down these sources. Census references would surely help; perhaps there
is/are Family Bible(s), too? Other sources? My info re marriages in
Brunswick Co, VA do not come nearer than the 1850s, so I get no help from
James David Poythress was born 15 Sep 1856 [?] in Mecklenburg Co, VA [?]
His parents were Thomas M. Poythress & Lucy G. Thomas [?] who were married
before 1846 [?] in an unknown location
James David Poythress married Lucy Cannon Moseley on 27 Nov 1877 [?] in
Brunswick Co, VA [?]
JDP had at least two children [any others? if so names & birthdates would
be greatly appreciated]:
one was Leonard Talmadge (Len) Poythress, born 28 Nov 1893 [?] in Brunswick
Co, VA [?]
the other was Frank G. Poythress, [born when? and was Lucy his mother,
JDP is buried (according to family knowledge) in Brodnax, Brunswick Co, VA
in a family cemetery which we have called here the Poythress-Davis
Cemetery. This cemetery contains fewer than 10 recognizable graves, & most
graves are marked only with fieldstones. It is located on land once owned
by Henry P. Davis, son-in-law of JDP [Henry's Poythress wife's name was
Leonard Talmadge (Len) Poythress married Carrie Rebecca Morris on 3 Aug
1919 [?] in Brunswick Co, VA
Len and Carrie had at least one child [others? if so, would appreciate
names & approx birthdates], Beatrice, born in 1920 in Brodnax, Brunswick
Len died 16 Mar 1926 [?] in Brodnax, Brunswick Co, VA [?]
Len is buried in the LaCrosse Cemetery, LaCrosse, Mecklenburg Co, VA
[hopefully with a marker -- If so do we have a verbatim-reading or photo of
Thanks for any help on any of this!
When I was in Salt Lake City in January at the Family History Library, I
found several volumes that referenced a marriage, that I would like to see
the original marriage bond/license/return for but which I haven't yet seen
One compiler spelled his name William POYTHRESS (in a bound set of typed
sheets prepared by the Genealogical Society of Utah in July 1938) while
another compiler (Raymond Parker Fouts) spelled his name "William Portice
At any rate, HOWEVER his name was spelled on the original bond (which is
supposed to be in the NC Archives' microfilm series, Bertie Marriage Bonds,
1762-1868 and Bertie Marriage Register, 1851-1917), the two volumes agree
the bond was dated 27 Sept 1785;
her name was Ann Lewis
bondsman was Henry Avaret
& the GSU volume addes that a witness was Stevens Gray
Have any of you seen this item before?
Can anyone shed any light on whether or not this William & Ann Poythress
had any descendants listed in subsequent censuses?
In the 1790 Census for NC, I saw no William Poythress or William Portice,
though there is listed one William Portin, in Halifax District, Halifax
County (which immediately follows all the listings for Halifax District,
Any further info would be appreciated.
Glad to hear that Tom had his info with him. Good luck on going thru all
his info & getting more organized. I was trying to hook you & Rachel
together as siblings, by the way, and needed your father's name & birthdate
to do that when you have a chance.
Hope you folks have a great trip, and a safe one (I understand that
El-monsoon-Nino season is not over, so take care).
Message text written by "Sarah Poythress"
> I have it spelled Lewis in the information I have from Tom. I thought I
> copied it right off the tombstone, but I will check when we get back
> from our trip. We will be gone about 2 weeks.
> Tom is my brother-in-law, the one in Saudi Arebia. I received about 10
> on the fax from him today. I plan to go through them while we are gone. I
> won't know until then if he has added any more to his orginal list or
> I will miss all of your messages while I am gone, but maybe I can get my
> information more organized.
I just sent this out but under the wrong heading.
Whoever was looking for someone who could go to Madison, IL to look and
possibly copy some records there. . . . .
I have a friend who is going tomorrow in the a.m. Her email address is:
lizziekid(a)aol.com (name: Tracy)
If you'd send her an email tell her what specifically you're looking
for, she'll be glad to look for it and if she can find it, she'll be
glad to copy it for you and send to you.
Best to send your request directly to her if you get this soon enough.
Who was looking for info from Madison, ILL. I got a friend who is going
there tomorrow and will look for info but can't remember the specifics.
She's going to leave early so if you see this, reply as quickly as
Sarah, thank you for the following correcting/amplifying info to your
2/23/98 message about the John Lewis Poythress line. Now that I'm pasting
this in, I'm wondering if the "L" of Bunnie's name & LB's name was truly
LEWIS as in your original message, or was it LOUIS as your note from the
Cemetery shows below?
Copied this off tombstones at Elmwood Cemetery [Henderson, NC] last Sunday
[22 Feb 1998]
Louis Bunyon Poythress (Jr. was not on it, but I know it is Jr.)
Born Dec. !2, 1917 (He was called L.B.)
Died Feb. 6, 1995
Rose Ellis Poythress
Born Sept. 15, 1894
Died July 7, 1992
My eyes sure we tangled up the night I typed that list. I need to list mine
in my FTM first. It will holler at me if the dates don't match up.
Poythress, Sarah Royster
406 Parham Road
Henderson, NC 27536
John Lewis Poythress & Tabitha Ann Nunn Poythress were his great grand parents. Probably descented from James Edward &
We have lived in Vance County all of our life, but just became involved in genealogy recently. Oh, my husband is Elwood Dale Poythress, we have 3 children Steven G., Richard D. & Teresa G.
We also have 6 grandchildren.
Sarah, I hope that you are successfully receiving Poythress-List messages
by now? Thank you SO MUCH for sharing Patti Poythress Koscheski's message
about her ancestors (copied below because I think others will enjoy it,
Looking forward to learning more from your wonderful family-hunt. Keep up
the good work!
I surely would appreciate it, if you could do me (and all your future
family members interested in the family's history) a HUGE favor: When you
get any info whether it is from a Court House, a cemetery, a funeral
home, or an obituary, you could save me (and lots of other Poythress
researchers, now and in the centuries to come) a LOT of digging to later
try to find that same info again, if you would make a good note about
exactly where and when you found it.
For example, if you find a marriage record, note on either the edge of a
photocopy of it, or if you are only writing down the info instead of
photocopying it, be sure to write down on the same sheet with your
"extract" of the information, (1) which Courthouse, (2) which volume (such
as "Franklin Co, NC Marriage Register 1800-1850"), and (3) what page # or
entry # it is in that volume. Also on the sheet put the date you were
there and saw it.
Or at a cemetery, be sure to write down the name (if any) of the cemetery,
and clear road directions on how to find it again, from a nearby town, and
then within the cemetery, roughly how to find the stone(s) in question, as
well as the date you saw it. Also be sure to write down ALL the info on the
stone(s), even things you don't understand at the time (like Masonic
emblems, or foreign language phrases), whether or not you also take a photo
of the stone(s) since some photos of stones turn out to not be readable due
to where the sun is. I have later looked back at notes of some things I
noted years earlier, & gotten LOTS more out of it, due to things I learned
in the meantime.
Believe me, these kinds of notes will become very important to YOU as well
as to others, the longer you are interested in the family history. Keep up
the good (and fun) hunt! Barbara (BPN)
Subject: The Poythress Mysteries
Barbara, You are right this is a big typo -- I don't know why I put this in
-- I have to go to Bute or Franklin County to get this info. Will let you
know later. Thought you would like to see [the message below]
From: P Koscheski <pattited(a)smartlink.net>
>The more I find out about my roots the more I am amazed and pleased.
>They are an assortment of wonderful characters. The Evelyn Poythress is
>my oldest living cousin as is her twin. she is Evelyn Poythress Johnson
>and lives in a rest home in the greater Atlanta area of Georgia near
>Judy Speed Poythress and near my brother, another William J.P. ....
>my husband and I lived in NC in the early 70s near Seymour Johnson AFB.
>I never knew at the time about my early Poythress stuff except that my
>grandfather and his brother Carl worked for the B&O railroad and bought
>his parents the house in Meridian around 1900 when they got older. Some
>of their brothers and sisters may also have helped. Then my Grandparents
>lost most of their money in the depression. They [Bryant and Bessie]
>moved into the Braxton Ave house to take care of his parents James Speed
>& Mattie P. Mattie and James died intestate and my gp lived in the
>house. After WWII my aunt Maelyne and her husband Francis "Buck" Buckley
>moved into care for my grandparents, and for economic reasons of both
>parties. My aunt Eloise became a widow with 3 small children and it took
>the combined efforts of all to care for the kids while Eloise got a
>degree in social work. so they all lived near. After Bryant and Bessie
>died, then at the end , aunt Eloise was paying the taxes onthe old
>place. It was finally torn down and sold piecemeal by a renovator who
>got it. I understand it is now just an empty corner lot. Patti
Other than knowing that James P. Poythress was a Mason (which we knew
already), I was hoping "E. A." stood for "Eminent Ambassador" or something
similar which would have suggested James' Masonry ITSELF was a motivator to
move to Florida and help begin a new chapter. I guess we didn't get that but
what we did get was at least one more suggested link between Screven's JPP and
Florida's JPP on the way to calling them "one guy".
Or did I miss something?
Barb and other interested folks,
Concerning the question on Masonary - The first three degrees of Free Masonry,
are knows by way of disttinction as the "Symbolic Degrees" and are:
1st Degree - Entered Apprentice - or E.A.
2nd Degree - Fellow Craft - F.C. and
3rd Degree - Master Mason - M.M.
Note: The term "symbolic" is exclusively confined to the degrees conferred in
Lodge of the three primitive degrees, which Lodge, therefore, whether
on the first, the second or the third degree, is always referred to
as a "sym-
So says the New and Revised Edition of "An Encyclopedia of FREEMASONRY and Its
Kindred Sciences" by Albert G. Mackey, M.D., 33 Degree.
So, Jame P. Poythress, E.A. would indicate he had only been raised through the
first (E.A.) degree at that point in time.
However, my membership is in Solomon's Lodge No.1 in Savannah, GA (the 1st
chartered Lodge in the US but the 2nd oldest Lodge! - The "2nd to be chartered
is actually the oldest Lodge in the US and is in Massachusetts.) -- but I was
raised in "Poquoson Lodge in VA" through a courtesy arrangement between the
Grand Lodge of GA and the Grand Lodge of VA -- because at the time - I was
stationed at the Naval Mine Warfare School at Yorktown, VA (1953). And in
what then and now commonly referred to as the "Blue Lodge" - and upon the
candidate receiving the basic "3" degrees was then considered to be a "Blue
I happened to have been raised through ALL 3 degrees in just "one" evening,
although that was not necessarily generally done -- (in my case, it was done
because I had received "transfer of duty orders" [Navy] to be transferred at
the very time I was undergoing my masonic instructions so the process
wasspeeded up to accomodate my situation). After a candidate has received
proper instructions (all by word "mouth-to-ear" only - nothing is in writing,
and on a "one degree" at the time basis), the instructor informs the lodge
that the candidate is ready for examination, -- the Lodge is opened (on
regular meeting nights only) for the purpose of exanimation of candidate for
acceptance as a "1st degree mason" - only. The candidate is exanimed "in open
Lodge" and then the Lodge members then votes on the passage of the candidate,
and if the candidate receive a "unanimous vote" the 1st degree in conferred on
the candidate and the Lodge is then closed, and in my case was then re-opened
immediately for the next, 2nd degree, and so on. In the voting by the
members - just "1 black ball" in any of the 3 degrees and the candidate would
be rejected - and without explanation!"
I hope this is clear to everyone interested. Should you have any further
question please don't hesitate to ask.
I have to quit and get to bed in a minute, but have just gone thru the
first few children of John Lewis Poythress & Tabitha Ann Nunn, and have a
few more questions: possible typos? If so, would sure appreciate getting
corrections, Sarah. Thanks again for all your effort in typing up this
-- Eva Joyner (wife of their 1st child, John Wm Poythress) is shown as
having birthdate which is the same as her mother-in-law Tabitha's (Oct
-- Joshua E. Poythress (the 2nd child) is shown as marrying 25 Feb 1888,
yet Craig's extracts from the Marriage Register showed 25 Feb 1877, which
seems more likely.
-- Lucy Eva Malvina Stainback, wife of the 3rd child Joseph Sidney
Poythress, is shown with the exact same dates of birth & death as her
-- Since 4th & 8th children in family married folks in the Gupton family,
mightn't the husband of #5 child be Paul Gupton rather than Paul Guoton?
All for tonight. I'm pooped from fighting the rain & mudslides, and
clearing our storm basin again.
The marriage date of John Lewis Poythress & Tabitha Ann Nunn must be a typo
-- 1888 is before the births of all of the children listed for them. Can
you let us know the correct year, please?
Sarah tried to send this message almost 24 hrs ago, and it hasn't shown up
yet, so she sent it to me & I'm forwarding it on. She is now joining the
This is FULL of EXCELLENT info about what turns out to be a huge line of NC
Poythress folks, which line we have needed a sizeable intro into. Since
these folks were in the same general vicinity as a lot of our others, just
on the south side of a river and an artificial VA/NC dividing line, this
may be just what we need.
My own footnote (because even though Sarah's message does not indicate any
parents for [JLP]John Lewis Poythress, it had been speculated that his
father was James Edward Poythress [JEP] who married Catherine Preston): IF
JLP's father was indeed my gggfather, [JEP], and IF JLP's birthdate is
correct below (which I see no reason why it wouldn't be correct), then JLP
was born 9.5 months after JEP's eldest son, Joshua Lewis Poythress was born
on 10 Nov 1828, which of course is certainly possible, and 14 months before
JEP's next child Nathan Francis Poythress was born 18 Oct 1830. What
disturbs me is that JLP was not listed amongst the 8 children on JEP's
Family Bible-type format listing of the entire family. So we should keep
an open mind about who JLP's father and mother were.
Sarah - Can you possibly get photocopies of the obituaries you mention in
your message? If so, I would LOVE to get photocopies of them, and would be
GLAD to reimburse for copying cost & postage & even mileage to go to
Braxton (or whoever) to get the copies made.
To BPN, Lyn, Kathy, Craig, Everyone
First of all, thanks for all the help you have given me. I hope I can add
something that you, all of you, can use.
Information I have confirmed by talking to John & Tabitha "Ann" Poythress'
great grandaughter. She lives in Oxford, NC which is about 12 miles from
where I live in Henderson, NC. She was very helpful. She didn't know dates,
so I got them from other sources.
John Lewis Poythress, b. 29 Aug. 1829, d. 27 Feb. 1905, m. Tabitha Ann
Nunn, b. Oct. 1834. They were married 12 Dec. 1888 in Franklin County. Both
of them are buried at Epsom, NC in New Bethal Church Cemetery off Hwy #39
between Henderson & Louisburg. I understand there are no markers, just
rocks. Braxton Poythress, son of Phillip Bruce Poythress, brother of Joseph
Ashton Poythress, my husband's father married my sister Rachel. Whee!!! Did
you get all of that??
Anyway he has both of their obituaries. They do not give dates or parents.
Sad but true---- Their children 8 boys & 3 girls are as follows:
1) John William Poythress, b. 17 Dec. 1866, d.?, m. Eva A. Joyner, b.
in Franklin County, 25 Dec. 1888. I do not have the names of any
2) Joshua E. Poythress, b. 22 Feb. 1856, d.?, m. Betty Ann Wester, b.
in Franklin County, 25 Feb. 1888. Children later.
3) Joseph Sidney Poythress (my husband, Dale's grandfather), b.19
d. 8 Dec. 1911, m. Lucy Eva Malvina Stainback, b. 19 Sept. 1869, d.
8 Dec. 1911
They married 7 May 1890 in Franklin County. They are buried between
Epsom Epsom in the Stainback Family Cemetery. He has a marker but
Their children later.
4) Fanny Courtney Poythress, b. 1864, m. Doc Gupton
5) Alice Oliver Poythress, b. 1875, m. Paul Guoton
6) Pattie G. Poythress, b. June 1881, m. Eugene Stainback
7) Anna Poythress, m. Richard Charles Bartholomew
8) Virginia Louise Poythress, m. Ambrose Cooper Gupton "Pompey"
9) Molly Poythress, m. George Carrol
10) Artellia "Tealy" Poythress, b. 1872, m. J.B. Poythress (Orange
her cousin. I don't know connection.
11) Mary G. Poythress, b. 1877 Don't know anything else.
Joseph Sidney Poythress & Lucy Stainback Poythress' children:
1) William Oliver Poythress "Willie" , b. 17 March 1892, m. Lessie
Maude Hoyle (1898)
a) John William Poythress "Buck", b.1915, d. 1985
b) Dora Virginia Poythress, b. 1821
c) George Madison Poythress, b. 1923
d) Vivian Hoyle Poythress, b. 1926
e) Bruce Allen Poythress, b. 1928
f) John Clinton Poythress, b. 1931, d.1989
2) Lewis Bunyon "Bunnie" Poythress, b. 27 Dec. 1894, d. 1976 m. Rosa
b. 15 Sept. 1917, d. 6 Feb. 1992 Buried Elmwood Cemetery by her
Lewis Bunyon Poythress, Jr. "L.B.", b. 2 Dec. 1917, d. 6 Feb. 1995
married). Two girls Mildred Thomas P. & Evelyn P. are still
married Ruby Field Callis, b. 1905, d. 1987 after seperation from
They didn't have any children.
3) George Clinton Poythress, b. 24 May 1897, d. 1923, m. Lucy
a) John Lewis Poythress, b, 14 Nov. 1917, d. 3 June 1942, War-
b) Lucy Eva Poythress, b. 1919
c) Elizabeth Poythress, b. 1921
d) Clara Evelyn Poythress, b. 1922
e) George Clinton Poythress, b. 1924
4) Arthur Henry Poythress, b. 10 Dec.1898, d, 1947 m. Annie M.
a) Arthur Henry Poythress, Jr. "Jimmy" (1920-1989)
b) Joseph Cecil Poythress (1922-1923)
c) Ralph Lee Poythress (1923-1991)
Married Louise Spencer Duke, b. 1899, d. 23 Feb. 1945
d) Ann Elizabeth Poythress, b. 1937
e) Arthur Thomas Poythress "Buster", b. 1940, d. 1986
5) Cyrus Thomas Poythress, b. 30 Aug. 1900, d. 1 Sept. 1936, m. Ola
b. 17 Sept. 1903, d. 20 Dec. 1986
a) Zera Poythress,(adopted), b, 7 March 1918, d. 21 March
b) Marian Thomas Poythress, b.1823, d. ? Wilmington, NC
c) Irene Poythress, b. 1925, d. ? Vance County
d) George Madison Poythress, (1927-living) Henderson
e) Alice Hyacinth Poythress, b.?. d. 25 Nov. 1928
f) William Young Poythress "Bill", b. 1930, living in Great
g) Edwin Braxton Poythress, b. 1931, living in Rocky Mount,
6) Elizabeth Ann "Beth" Poythress, b. 3 Dec. 1903, d. 1984, m. Marion
b.1898, d. 1968
a) Joseph Jackson Parham
b) Mildred Lucille Parham - living in Henderson
c) Marion Oliver "Mayland" Parham, Jr.
d) Thomas Edger Parham - living
7) Clyde Lee Poythress, b. 9 Aug. 1905, d. 19 Feb. 1951 m. Mamie
8) Alma Poythress, b. 9 May 1909, d. 1992, m. Alpheus Warren Duke,
a) Maxwell Warren "Max" Duke (1932-1981)
9) Doris Dean Poythress, b. 15 June 1911, d. 22 Jan. 1912
10) Phillip Bruce Poythress, b. 1 April 1907, d, 1973, m. Magnolia
a) Clarence Wilber Poythress (1930-1969) Divorced - No
b) Morris Dean Poythress - died as baby
c) Elwood "Braxton" Poythress, b. 30 Dec. 1933 m. my sister
d) Maggie Ferebee Poythress, b. 1939 living
e) Anthony Thomas "Tony" Poythress, b. 1941 living
f) Joseph Sidney Poythress, b. ?, d. 4 Sept. 1932
11) Joseph Ashton Poythress, b. 21 Feb. 1902, d. 30 March 1974, m.
Verla Jacobs, b. 13 Dec1906
d. 8 Sept. 1985
a) Verla Lucille "Dixie" Poythress, 1925 living in Henderson
b) Joseph Carlton Poythress, 1926 living in Henderson
c) Edna Earl Poythress, 1929 living in Middleburg, NC
d) Elwood "Dale" Poythress, 22 Aug. 1930 my husband
e) Tiny Joyce Poythress, 1935 Her husband is the one
working in Saudi Arabia
f) Jerry Clinton Poythress, 1940 living near Middleburg, NC
Hope this will clear up a lot of things for all you Poythresses out there.
It has made one thing clear to me----the reason there is such a puzzle----
they used the same names over & over.
If there are all kinds of errors in my typing & spelling, first of all & am
no good at either & second it is 1:30 AM, so I am beat.
Maynard, Martha Dixon, Bud, et al,
THANKS for the find in the Screven Co, GA book of mention of James P.
Poythress' Masonic membership.
Bud, what does "EA" after the fellows' names mean, in the list of Masons?
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