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Our interest in the Hicks/Hix surname derives from Capt. Robert Hicks and
his likely association with Peter and Robert Poythress (both early Indiana
traders). We don't have any of this nailed down in any formal sense, but
it is clear that all were associated with Ft. Christanna and were holders
of early land patents near the Fort. Carol Morrison's Hicks/Hixs page is a
great source for documents. Carol includes links to other Hicks pages. We
also are just starting to surface evidence of Dortch and Cleaton
connections with the Hicks surname. We have known Poythress connections
with Dortch and Cleaton families (see Poythress web info on David and Lewis
and Thomas Poythress). In addition, the Hicks and Bass connections are
very interesting to us. Lea Dowd has compiled far more on her Bass surname
than we have on the Poythress.
None of these genealogies are written. Most of the real work lies ahead
and isn't likely to evolve in a linear fashion. As you can probably tell
from recent days, we are actively working on Thomas Poythress of Brunswick.
We have a first name for a spouse (Martha) but don't know if this is the
wife of the father or son. It might even be that both father and son were
married to a Martha. We know that Thomas sold property to George Hicks in
the 1790s. This is also the time we see Thomas Poythress showing up in
Georgia. Is this the same Thomas Poythress we have selling land in the
1770s? Don't know -- yet.
We have a Hardimon Poythress and James Poythress in Northampton Co., NC --
both appear to be described as "free persons". Jean Spille is our expert
on these families.
As for the Epes family, there are long associations. For example, Mary
Eppes (dau. of Capt. William Eppes) married William Poythress, Jr. We also
have some evidence that Peter Poythress of Branchester (m. Elizabeth Bland)
had one son William who first married ? Bollling and then a ? Marable.
This William's sister (Lucy) married John Eppes of Eppesville. Other
sisters married into the Bland, Mayo, Atkinson, Randolph and Batte
families. These families in turn connect to the Woodlief, Hardaway,
Harrison, etc. The Bland - Poythress connections are very complex -- to
say the least.
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BPW, good to hear from you. As I see it, at least two possibilities are
1) Neither father nor son has a middle name. The "Y" in the name of the
son has some other cultural meaning of which I am unaware. Here the Sr.
is used casually and pragmatically to avoid confusion in the shared first
name of father and son.
2) Lewis the father shares a middle name (or the middle letter "Y"
without an associated name) with the son, but does not use it, neither
here nor in any other notice yet discovered.
The GOOD thing in this notice is that the relationships of father and
sons are explicitly stated, unlike (as you well know) the case of MOST
DEEDS and, sadly, unlike all our known references to the Sr. and Jr.
Thomas Poythresses. -lpb
On Thu, 31 Jul 1997 00:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Beetle72(a)aol.com writes:
>You wrote: Regarding your reference to Lewis, Junior, I have rechecked
>transcription of the 1845 deed from Lewis POYTHRESS to Lewis Y. and
>Thomas M. and do not see the work "Junior" anywhere in the text. I
>however, see "Sr.".
>Many thanks for bringing this to my attention. I've rechecked this
>too and evidently I jumped to the conclusion (and jotted it in my
>Lewis Sr. automatically made Lewis Y. a Jr.
>The first signature at the bottom is Lewis, then Lewis Y. and then
>So in this instance the Sr. just means the older. Would you agree?
>Can't find a reference at this moment, but in questioning the Y
>seems I have seen a Yates surname.
>AY! Barbara (BPW)
Hi! Craig Scott is attending a family reunion (his wife's) and will be out
of town for a few days. But he asked me to forward to the list some
research he had completed before he left. I'm just transcribing what he
gave me, so you'll have to direct any questions you might have to him.
Regards, Michelle Krowl
Military History of Thomas M. Poythress
Thos. M. Poythress Pvt Co D 2d Regt Va. Artillery
company muster roll Mar & Apr 1862
enlisted 20 Jan @Lombardy Grove by
Camp Alexander for 12 months
absent sick at Camp Winder
company muster roll Apr 30- May 31, 62
absent Detailed at Camp Winder over 35
T. M. Portress 2 Arty Va
Register of Gen Hosp Camp Winder
Diarrhea adm: 9 May 62
16 May 1862 Detailed as a nurse @ Camp Winder
not dated, but inspection report was
--> 26 Aug 1864 list of detailed men and employees
at the C. S. Shoe Depot under the
control of Stephen Putnex, Capt., AQM
place of nativity Va
detailed Maj. Pexton
no of order 12
enlisted 2nd Batt L. F.
Craig R. Scott, CGRS
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Carol Morrison has provided us with an original patent to John Poythress in
1723 that seems to correspond to the "other" parcel of land sold by Thomas
Poythress to John Dawson in 1773.
This means that both of the parcels of land sold by Thomas Poythress were
originally patented by John Poythress, Gentl. I've added Carol's
transcription to our deeds page and have added a direct link to the Thomas
Poythress time line pulled together by Maynard Poythress. You'll be able
to link to the Poythress-Dawson transcription and both of the John
Again, let me emphasize that we should not jump to the conclusion that
these deeds establish that John Poythress was the father of Thomas. It is
a possibility, but there are lots of other ways Thomas could have come to
own the two properties.
STILL, this discovery is the first hard evidence we have establishing a
connection between Thomas Poythress of Brunswick with the earlier Poythress
I'm thrilled to be able to communicate this news!
Since we're pretty sure that the Poythress surname means "Red Head with
Penchant for Gambling" it might be worth taking a look at the following mug
shot for family similarities.
This appeared in the Minneapolis Star Tribune July 30, 1997
To: Al Tims
I spoke to my mother last night, and she had finally received the hard copy
of the information about Robt Dixon, Goe Poyt, and Wm Nicholson identifying
Benj Woodward, that showed it as being from you.
She asked that I write you and let you know how much she appreciated that
information! She now believes that the Robert Dixon mentioned is someone who
she has been looking for since 1950! And it took only two weeks on your
She didn't ask me to do this, But I believe that she might like to thank you
herself....Could you either send me your address, or, if you wish, you could
write her directly at: Mrs. B.W. Dixon, 4114 F Providence Rd.; Charlotte, NC
We've just added a small artifact to the Poythress web page at
Actually, we have a bit more information on the business of William
Poythress of Richmond. I do not know if any of us have his genealogy
established. Perhaps in time :-).
One of the things that makes this item so interesting is that it was found
(cap on) in the sand on a river bank in Florida in the 1990s by a
POYTHRESS! Fun stuff!
Re: Ken Poole's GEDCOM query
Sorry for the delay in responding, but my inbox overfloweth due to the
telephone outage, etc. I understand Ken's frustrations and desire to get
all clues (good and bad) into some sort of unit for careful analysis. We
have discussed the need for a database of known information and are moving
in that direction. At this point we're collecting as many primary source
materials as we can and trying to use our web page as a tool for sharing
what we find. The web page doesn't show the published studies by Boddie,
Hall, Stanard and a few others. Lou Poole's chapters on the allied family
page are excellent jumping off points. The policy on the web page is that
we (1) will not violate the intellectual property rights of others, (2)
will always favor original documents over abstracts or compilations when
possible, (3) will site all sources accurately, (4) will clearly label
speculation/queries as such, (5) will credit the work of others fully.
Otherwise, we're open to posting anything folks find helpful.
If I had a GEDCOM I'd share it with one and all. I have my Family Tree
Maker 4.0 sitting here with little in it. I suspect some of us have
"parts" of the tree in a GEDCOM. Maynard's group sheet on the Georgia
Poythress is a good example. We have most all of that up (except the most
recent generations) on the web. Barbara Wolfe has given us all she has on
David and Lewis Poythress. Barbara Poythress Neal has quite a bit on the
Alabama and Mississippi folks -- but no one is really clamoring for that
information right now. We're pretty much focused on Virginia Poythress and
the early migrations into the Carolinas, Georgia and Florida. There is so
much we don't really understand. Several of us are quite excited about the
new insights we're gaining through study of the Hicks, Wall, Hall, Bass,
Cleaton, Barner and the other families that first settled southside
Virginia and North Carolina. With you bringing your study of the Bolling
family, we've added another piece to the puzzle.
I'm more than willing to create pages for posting Bolling information
and/or links to other sources. You'll find that Lea Dowd, Carol Morrision,
Jean Spille, Lou Poole, Paul Murauskas and others are simply fantastic
researchers and have a wealth of information to share and are quick to make
connections we would have easily missed.
I have a Bolling GEDCOM someone sent me for John Bolling. As with all
GEDCOMs, I don't know how much is fact and how much is fiction. I'll be
happy to send it to you as an attachment file. More importantly, I'd love
for you to post what you have on the Bolling family in North Carolina. We
have Poythress in North Carolina that the census clearly shows to be 'other
free persons' . Jean Spille has compiled an impressive amount of
information in a relatively short period of time on these families. We
don't know how they connect -- yet. My guess is that the answers will come
with continued study of our southside families and more careful study of
the North Carolina records.
Our list started in early March of this year. We migrated from the Maiser
lists and have steadily grown to nearly 45 subscribers. Our web page is
only a couple of months old (still a baby). All things considered, I
believe we are making major headway. I wish I had more answers and more
If you haven't done so already, I would urge you to visit:
1. Carol Morrison's outstanding web pages:
2. Lea Dowd's amazing Southern Bass page: http://www.gnat.net/~lea/
We'll get there -- with a little help from our friends :-).
Below is transcript of a 6-pager received from Martha today. I have offered
Alice the deal that if she will print what she thinks Martha is interested in
I'll transcribe her letters to me to the group. Alice hasn't taken the deal
yet but I'll transcribe the first one anyway. I will quote directly omitting
only those Dixon mentions that don't pertain to the train of thought. And if
I comment I'll do so in square parentheses.
July 25, 1997
Re: yours of 12 July, 1997
I never had any definite thoughts about Peter Poythess except that he and his
brother Cleaton were born 1781/1787 and that he sold his Mecklenburg, Va.
property in 1811 while living in Screven County. I had no idea where he had
gone and often thought: I'll just bet someone is really looking for him.
But, that Screven deed is what sent me back to Mecklenburg Co. where I found
I do [did?] not understand the Ga. Soc. of Col. Dames' 1924 book "Some early
Epitaphs in Georgia for Savannah". When I saw the small gray headstone,
about 2' wide by 2 /2' high and 6 inches thick, it was overgrown with fungus
making it gray. All the headstones in that section were exactly like it, and
a man told me it was in the typus section. There was no approbrium atttached
to these deaths. It was a classless, ageless, wealth-regardless equal
[Martha goes on to point out that she saw a headstone and the Ga. Col. Dames
said it was a "plaque"....no matter, the copy is the same as quoted by
each...and it is for absolutly, positively, sure that this woman was the wife
of George Poythress and the mother of John C. Poythress who had gone from
Burke Co. to Savannah for a holiday (death date 12/24) marriage of her son.
Bud, this should get completely off the table any confusion between THIS
Hetty and the Hetty Wilder Mock Poythress whom we presume to be Meredith's
first wife....Martha probably doesn't even have an opinion on Hetty Wilder
Mock Poythress but its certain she would agree the two ladies are not the
"Since returning to my records, I see that Peter and Cleaton Poythress were
more of an age with my MEA than with Lewis, George, Edward, and Thomas Jr.
Meredith is a cohort of Lewis, George, Edward, and Thomas Jr. UNCLE !!!
[Martha essentially agrees with most of us who have been saying that MEA was
simply too young to have been a daughter of Thomas (Sheriff) and is likely
the niece of Meredith and the daughter of one of the others although we don't
know which yet.]
[ I am going to start on a Meredith time line in the next day or two and I
think I'll just wrap Junior and Senior together....first because I don't know
how to two-column the thing which rationalizes a reason to combine them.
Second, there is some question whether or not there were two Merediths and I
think a time line will put that one to rest for good by saying there were
indeed a Jr. and a Sr. I think what is going to get REALLY interesting is
that we are now up to the point where some of these folks are going to start
showing up in the 1820 census....and, as sloppy as the 1820 gets in some
places, it still has the potential to do good things for us]
Martha: However, I believe the Thomas P. who made the 1795/96 sale to Hicks
and who removed the Woodward name from the Parish records was NOT the
sheriff. I am not a lawyer, but, have read enough of these legal papers to
feel that there is something innately illegal about the scheme you have
hypothesized. Of course, in those rough pioneer days many things were not
handled according to Hoyle. So, could be. [ I surrender on the scenario
I hypothesized, I don't give up that the seller was likely Thomas the
sheriff....but you all have rocked me enough to get me shaky].
All able bodied men in Georgia were in the State Militia after the Revolution
- subject to call at a moment's notice. "Some Georgia County Records", Vol.
4, by Rev. Silas Lucas [I knew him. He is dead now but a highly credible
Pg. 2 Burke Tax Defaulters 1793 Thomas Poythress [I think we have this
Pg. 7 Dist 5 Militia Feb 25, 1819 , 8th Reg. Edward Poythress
Pg. 8 7th Reg. William Poythress
Pg. 9 8th Reg. George Poythress (1st
Pg. 9 8th Reg. Laban Odum
Pg. 10 8th Reg. John Dixon
[Odum and Dixon first and second husbands for MEA]
"Georgia Citizens and Soldiers of the American Revolution" Robert Scott
[also a credible although not primary source].
pg. `131.....Robert Poythress. He was recruited in Virginia and served in
Cont. Regt. under Col. James Screven.
[Since he was Continental Line and not militia could this have been same the
guy we have illegally recruiting..in Va. Gazette: "Prince George, Nov. 23,
1776. Contrary to my desire, and express order, my servant man James Bullock
enlisted with mr. Robert Poythress, an officer, he says, under Captain Scott
of the Georgia Service; upon which I demanded my servant of the said
Poythress, without effect. This is therefore to request Mr. Scott to have my
said servant returned to me without delay
or further expense, or I shall certainly prosecute him according to Law.
signed: James Anderson"......interesting....hey, Craig, you got both a
Robert Poythress AND a Captain Scott in 3rd Ga. Cont. Line? Shoot, maybe he
was even one of YOUR boys.]
"The Families of Burke County, Ga. 1755-1855" by Robert Scott, Jr. [I think
she means Robert Scott Davis, Jr.]. This book suffered because the person
Bob got to index it did a poor job.
pg. 207 Land Grants to Meredith Poythress in Screven in 1806, 1811.
[does this imply grants in return for Rev. War service?].
In order to pay for the War of 1812, taxes were levied on commodities and
property in 1790. Ibid, p. 233.
Pg. 236 Houses Alexander Carter $ 1200 [future father-in-law of Geo. P. I
Pg. 239 George Poythress $ 1500.
Martha: (her comments I think, not quotation from book) Most people lived in
simple houses: Isaac Perry, Town Commissioner, Architect, and Surveyor lived
in a house near Waynesboro valued at $ 120. So, you can imagine the splendor
of the Carter and Poythress homes.
Pg. 240 Thomas Poythress resided in a house owned by Margaret Jones and
Henry Jones Jr. valued at $ 412.
So, we see that the sheriff was residing with his wife [Hetty Carter] and
Elizabeth Martha in an eminately respectable dwelling house....I gather from
this that the sheriff had staked George [his son] worthy of lovely
Hetty......and Patsey must have agreed to this.
It is the time frame here that puzzles me. The P. family was in Burke by
1787. Yet, in 3 yrs. Geo. is domeciled in a mansion.
"Grave Markers in Burke County, Georgia" by Powell Odum & Hillhouse.
Pg. 242 John Carter Poythress Sept 14, 1796-Sept. 12, 1862.
Pg. 231 Alexander Carter, Esq., age 70 years June 24, 1841.
Young John Carter P. was born six years after Geo. was in posssession of the
mansion. This elegant house may have been confiscated from a Tory after the
war. Do not believe the Mjr. had it built. But whence the money?
Pg. 25 Elizabeth Odum [MEAP] Jan. 26, 1788-Oct. 5, 1861
(in 1950, "Elizabeth M. Odum" was visible and a rubbing revealed the birth
1788. When they did the book the inscriptions were hardly decipherable. The
1850 census for 68th GMD [Ga. Mil. Dist.?] Burke Co., Ga. states she was born
Thomas P., Sheriff died 1801 [all the books say death 1801, administration
shows as both 1800 and 1801, I'll check this] Geo. and Patsey P. took Letters
In 1804, MEAP m. John Dixon [husband # 1] reputed to be her piano teacher.
Her mother "Patsey" may have remarried. We do not read of Patsey again. In
18 Apr 1812 Augusta Chronicle Elizabeth Dixon Letters of Administration
Estate of John Dixon.
Last Thursday, Alice read me a complete message from (didn't get the name)
who found in the papers of Va.: "Georgia, Richmond Cty. Robert Dixon, Geo.
Poythress and Wm. Nicholson testified under oath that a certain Benjamin
Woodward, then in the common jail of the county of Richmond, Ga. is the
identical person formerly a resident of Dinwiddie County in the State of Va.,
long noted for his villany for counterfieting the public papers of that state
and for whose arrest and delivery to the proper authorities a large ($400)
reward was offered by the Gov. of Va."
Major Longstreet delivered the prisoner to Va.
About a year later, 30 Mch 1789, Thos. Poythress removed the name of Henry
Woodward from the St. Andrews vestry book. [you also picked this link up,
Al, you think it says anything with respect to "which" Thomas?]
You had asked me to jot down the foregoing facts with the sources. Hope they
I think we need to pursue Elizabeth Edwards residing in the home of Thomas
Poythress. Also, the 1807 Land Lottery was state wide and the names of the
orphans of Thomas Poythress are listed in Wilkinson County and should include
your Meredith in with George, Edward, and Martha (using her first name on a
government paper). If Meredith isn't an orphan of Thomas the sheriff,
believe he was a younger brother.
(Please remember me to my new friends on the monster).
Maynard -- re: your note stating:
"with respect to Thomas Poythress perhaps having gotten those two chunks of
a "nominal" transaction from John Poytres is MOST significant."
I don't see a nominal transaction between Thomas and John Poythress. I
believe what we have is a patent to John Poythress in 1736. We then have
Thomas selling the same parcel of land in 1773. I've connected these two
land transactions to the time line you developed for Thomas Poythress on
the web page. My take is that we have the possibility of Thomas (of
Brunswick) having acquired this land through inheritance. This isn't the
only possibility, but certainly one we should explore. I hope the record
for the other parcel of land will shed further light on this all important
issue. Furthermore, if this is the proper read, then the age of Thomas in
1773 is essentially moot (so long as he was 21 by 1773).
Folks, please do correct me if I'm reading this the wrong way.
Carol Morrison has established a critically important connection for us.
Recall that after years of study, Bud Poythress reached the conclusion that
Thomas Poythress of Brunswick Co. didn't have parents :-).
p.s. -- My phone lines have been down for the past 24 hours -- so I'll need
a little time to get caught-up.
Lyn....very interesting question. If "y" stands for younger I have never
seen it or read about it doing so. If I just had to guess I'd say it was
somewhere around the "beginning" of middle names in the first place.
My question, and I intend to post it on several genealogy boards, is when did
Sr. & Jr. stop meaning just the older and the younger and start meaning
father and son in the context in which we use it today. I realize there is
going to be no magic date on the calendar but there is likely to at least be
a period of transistion. And even if the "period" is 30 or 40 years it will
mean something to us.
If somebody on the board already knows the answer let us know would you?
I have a technical question for you. This arises from the exchange with
Maynard regarding Lewis Y. POYTHRESS. Do middle letters ever represent
something other than the initial of a middle name? I ask because as a
think about southside Virginia I can think of no surnames or Christian
names that begin with the letter Y. Also I ask because I am familiar
with the usage of middle letters "NM" to indicate no middle name. So we
have here at least one such case of middle letters that are a code rather
than the initial of a name. Also, I also know that in some cases folks
had middle letters but no middle name, just middle letters. Could "Y"
mean "younger" and serve the same function as "Jr."?
Lyn Poythress Baird
Maynard, thanks so much for this information.
a) Regarding the service record of Thomas M. POYTHRESS, yes, this is my
second-great-grandfather. I have independing confirmation of his
enlistment in this military organization. I understand he enlisted at
Lombardy Grove, Mecklenburg Co., Va. on January 20, 1862.
b) Regarding the service record of L.Y., I have no doubt this was Lewis
Y. POYTHRESS, brother of Thomas M. POYTHRESS and son of Lewis POYTHRESS.
I am sure of this because i) he is in Greenville Co., where the 1850
census record from BPN places him and ii) I just do not believe there
were more than one Poythress in one county with the first initial L. and
the unusual middle initial Y.
c) Regarding your reference to Lewis, Junior, I have rechecked my
transcription of the 1845 deed from Lewis POYTHRESS to Lewis Y. and
Thomas M. and do not see the work "Junior" anywhere in the text. I do,
however, see "Sr.". The grantor is "LEWIS POYTHESS, SR." Considering
all the evidence, I am continuing to treat this man the grantor as the
brother of George POYTHRESS of Florida. If you disagree, please
Thanks ever so much for your kindness in mailing me the copies. I look
forward to receiving them. --LPB
On Sat, 26 Jul 1997 18:30:34 -0400 (EDT) VKRatliff(a)aol.com writes:
>Lyn....in going through my entire files building a Thomas time line
>finding stuff I never even knew I had. At one time I sent for the
>Archives cards for all CSA
>vets named Poythress. Or...at least I think it was Natl. Archives,
>the expert on this area, I might have gotten them from those folks in
>Anyway, I have a xerox page with two name cards on same page:
>1) Poythress, L. Y., Private, Capt. Scott's Company, Local Virginia
> Co. A,
> Greenville County Home Guard
>2) Poythress, Thomas M. Private, Co. D, 2nd Virginia Artillery.
>I don't see how these two fellows can miss being the Lewis Y. and
>of the deed I posted the other day, whereby Lewis Poythress, Junior
>giving them land for a nominal value. Since I have noticed (as I did
>first time) that the party A of the deed was Lewis "Junior" in the
>the deed, I guess I missed my speculation by a generation when I said
>thought he was George's brother. Can you clear that one up?
>And I'm mailing you the page today.
Hey folks, I'm out of business on that subject......everytime I "ruled out" a
variant somebody nailed me being dead wrong by coming up with some guy named
pxy#&@! who was Francis' older brother. B'rer Rabbit he has had enuff of
that tar baby.....far as I'm concerned anything starts with a "P" is okay by
me to be a variant.
Okay, Al, you got the ball, show 'em your stuff!
Now that is a loaded question Ken. I'd like to see that list on the
Poythress board.Do you just want Poyhthress or all the variable spellings?
Ok Al & Maynard-out of the woodwork!
> From: Ken Poole <kbpoole(a)atomic.net>
> To: POYTHRESS-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Poythress, and related lineages
> Date: Tuesday, July 29, 1997 2:37 AM
> I am researching all connected lineages to Poythress. Is there a linked
> genealogy available, such as GED COMs?
> I realize this is a loaded question, as there is often a question of
> correct for a given link. However I need a starting point, and if anyone
> can steer me in the right direction, it would help a lot. Ken
Al.....I think this new information from Carol Morrison (where DO you get
this stuff, Carol, may we borrow that magic potion for a day or so) with
respect to Thomas Poythress perhaps having gotten those two chunks of land on
a "nominal" transaction from John Poytres is MOST significant.
Actually, while I had no doubt that those first two deed transactions in the
Thomas time line were legit.....my concern was that those first two are the
first time we had seen a "Prince George" Thomas connected to ANY of those
other "non-PG" counties. My concern here was not that we had the wrong land,
but that we might have the wrong Thomas.
My suggestion is that the link from the PG guys to any one else out of PG is
so important in our entire endeavor that we should subject that link to tough
Granted if we still accept "our" Sheriff-to-be Thomas' birth date as ca
1735-40, he is old enough to be trading land in 1773 (33 to 38) but not by
Back to the observations when I first put up the Thomas time line.....I think
we need to be getting into those will books and court orders and marriage
bans.....deeds alone or even predominantly...are tough to use for links.
You folks with those gazzatters are something else.....I barely know the way
I suspect you are mostly correct. My efforts have been to find all those
relations which someone has "on paper, or GED COM", (of interest to our
I must point out that at some point we have to rely on others, or each of
us would have to begin with ourselves, and work backwards, one courthouse
at a time. No one person could do that, and get very far.
I agree that one who trusts, blindly, is in for a rought ride on the Net.
However, the same goes for any thing in your local library. The one idea
which has some merit is to employ a method of "Collecting It All". If there
is contradictory information out there, you ought to find it, and use it to
help you find the facts. For example a child linked to two different
parents will jump out at you. Big Clue! The more confused the better,
because we can be sure that a contradictory link is a good place to
The book, "Pocahontas' Descendants", gives a genealogy, which is a good
example. The "book", lists some children but not all who claim to belong
to that family. Once all those "unclaimed" children, are traced, we are
finding that they were not made up people. They were Bollings from the same
VA areas (Henrico, Albermarle, Chesterfield, Goochland, ect...).
They married , had children, named them,(often those Indian names), and
lived their lives without being aware they did not exist. Yet, I'm given
the same song and dance about junk GED COMs. Genes are real, everyone has a
I suspect you have a better database, given your experience, and years of
research. I also hoped you would have shared it, as I did offer to share
what I have. I still hope to find information which someone will share with
me. It saves time typing, if nothing else, and frees us to help "you"
search for "our" lineages.
Besides, GED COMs do have places for notes, sources, ect. Besides, I had no
idea some of you descended from Christ. Besides his name was Jessie.
At 09:04 PM 7/29/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Ken.....I will answer your question in full anticipation that someone on the
>"listserve" with more technical savvy than I will give you a technically
>correct answer. At which point you should take their word, not mine.
>However, for several years now I have been actively searching the
>'net....largely in that GED-something ( I don't think GEDCOM) format which
>provides for all sorts of folks to just write down name, rank and serial
>number and thereby with a few minimal details imply decendancy from Charles
>Martel or Jesus Christ or whomever. There may indeed be some of it that is
>dead on the money.....but 99% of what I have seen is without question junk of
>varying degrees; with no malice aforethought but junk all the same.
>For example, the father of "the immigrant" Francis Poythress is cited almost
>everywhere as "Joshua, b. 1588" with a wife named "_____Peachey". We have
>been unsuccessful in locating "Joshua" (incidentally the name of one of
>Francis' sons thus suggesting a source for confusion) and the name Peachy
>does not show in the family until late 18th, early 19th century.
>Our original suspicion was (and is) that all of these people simply copied
>each other; and, albeit all in good faith, in error nonetheless. There is
>also room for suspicion that many people simply submitted fantasy information
>to LDS who are all too trusting in these matters. We have located Francis
>baptised Newent, Gloustershire 1509 and while we may not be in love with that
>one, it at least has some factual basis.
>I apologize for "answering in the negative", but that is my "take". If one
>just must have an absolute, right now answer....the only one I can give is
>"come back in about 5 years". That is based on the progress we are now
>making on the page and listserver now in operation and it assumes continued
>evangelical fervor as demonstrated currently. Under Al Tims' guidance the
>quest has become a knuckles down, no b. s. sort of thing. I am confident
>that we will ultimately unravel more than has been done in the past 200
>years.....not that we are that great, just that we are working that hard at
>it and; in a practical sense, the ONLY ones working at it. Please feel free
>to e-mail me if you think I can help.
>Maynard Poythress (vkratliff(a)aol.com)
I am researching all connected lineages to Poythress. Is there a linked
genealogy available, such as GED COMs?
I realize this is a loaded question, as there is often a question of being
correct for a given link. However I need a starting point, and if anyone
can steer me in the right direction, it would help a lot. Ken
Thanks for the quick response when I joined yesterday. It looks like a good
group and lots of activity. Have already been impressed with the Poythress
information and now hope to get some coming in on the other branches...My
main interest right now lies in Mary Bland b.1770 m. THomas Osborne Randolph
b. 1765. I have a line running through the Randolphs on back to the 1600's
and it vers off and becomes a descendent of Pocahantas along the way. But I
also believe that the Bland and the Cross families also are descendents but
haven't connected that up yet. There seem to be many connections of Blands
and Randolphs in the Poythress family, so feels Mary fits in there someplace.
I find other Marys, but not married to THomas. Mary's daughter by the way was
Prudence, m. William Cross. So I'll follow the information and continue to
fill out the twiggs, and thank you all. Marian onefergy(a)aol.com
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