Thank you to John and Clive for your help on this request (and the Lion
Inn request). I think we can eliminate Penyfrith farm as Thomas BROWN
(not one of my BROWNs) was recorded there from the 1851 census (&
probably was there earlier).
But it would seem the Freed/Ffrith farm must have been in that general
direction - near Brooks. (In fact my wheelwright BROWNs lived at
Frith/The Ffrydd/Ucheldrefrydd/Brookes Frydd in their old age. I think
they would have been wheelwrights at nearby Tyn-y-frith up to the 1820s
when the new wheelwright came who was there in 1841. Benjamin BROWN died
at Ucheldrefrydd in 1830, and his widow Elizabeth BROWN was at Frith in
1841 and Frydd in 1851 (= shopkeeper aged 80! + daughter) and her
daughter at 'Brookes. Frydd' in 1861 (shopkeeper) (so not just
shoemakers). So this was certainly a couple of cottages rather than a farm.
The old directory website is a very useful resource.
On 26/02/2013 8:07 a.m., John Ball wrote:
Hi Pamela,
I followed up Clive Gardener's suggestion and found Thomas Brown at
Penyfridd in the 1871 census (RG10/5617 Folio 5, Page 2, Schedule 6).
Thomas Brown is described as a "Farmer of 80 acres".
Further down the same page in the census enumerator's book, as Schedule 8,
is the property "Frydd", occupied by John Morgan (61), Shoemaker, and his
wife Mary (67).
Thus Frydd and Penyfridd are two different, but nearby properties.
The 1871 census enumerator's description of his Enumeration District
includes a reference to "Cottages at the Brooks". You'll recall that the
1861 census referred to three homes named "Brookes Frydd".
This suggests that Frydd was a group of cottages rather than a farm.
Possibly, Frydd was the name of a locality in or near the area named Brooks?
Kind regards,
John
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John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK
E-mail: john(a)jlb2011.co.uk
Website:
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-----Original Message-----
From: Clive Gardener
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 5:57 PM
To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POWYS] MGY a farm called the Freed in Bettws Cedewain
Hi Pamela
Following on from my e-mail last night, I've had some success through the
Historical Directories
http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/index.asp
website, which I think will be of interest to you.
If you go to the above website and select 'Find by location', and then, on
the pull-down menu which appears, select 'Wales' - on page 1 (Directories
1 - 10) you will find 'Slater's Directory of Glos, Herefs, Mon, Shrops &
Wales, 1868', for which you should select: 'Directory'. Click 'Browse
Directory' and then, in the 'Go to Image' box, type: 658. This will take you
to the relevant title page for Newtown & district, including the village of
Bettws (Directory Page No. 102). You can check the surrounding place names
to see that this does include the correct 'Bettws'.
If you then go to Image No. 661 (Directory Page No. 105), you will find a
list of the farms 'IN BETTWS PARISH' - down the bottom RHS of the page and
rolling over onto the next page. The third in the list is: Thomas Brown,
living at Pen y freed. I think, upon checking all the other names, that this
must be the farm to which Evan Jones referred. The directory would have been
compiled in 1867, which is only three years after the will was written.
If you then go to Image No. 664 (Directory Page No. 108), under the heading
'Taverns and Public Houses', you should be able to find: Lion, Thomas
Morgan, Bettws.
This tallies up with the grandson's name which you have mentioned below and
also the census research by John Ball, as detailed in his e-mail earlier
today. John has also located 'Pen-y-fridd' for you, which I think must be
the same place as 'Pen y freed' in the directory.
Perhaps someone can trace the farm managed by Thomas Brown for you, through
the census records?
Best regards
Clive Gardener
www.secret-bottletop.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pamela Griffiths" <pamelag(a)orcon.net.nz>
To: <POWYS(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 10:46 PM
Subject: [POWYS] MGY a farm called the Freed in Bettws Cedewain
> Hi. Does anyone know where this farm was in Bettws. In the 1864 will of
> Evan JONES (blacksmith & innkeeper in Bettws village) he also has 'my
> Farm called the Freed situate in the Parish of Bettws..' He bequeathed
> it to his grandson Thomas MORGAN, who had lived with him since childhood.
>
> regards, Pamela
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