Dear Richard,
Yes, I have some understanding of the system of ballots and substitutes etc.
but this seems, as someone else suggested, more like a lottery. If you
subscribe and then are drawn then you get paid funds from the pool of
subscriptions. This would, I imagine, help to cover loss of income incurred
while you served or the payment to a substitute to serve for the person
drawn, especially if you couldn't afford to pay a substitute. I don't think
you paid a society the fee for substitution - you paid it to the man who
served in your place - he isn't likely going to do it otherwise. It doesn't
say but I guess you have to subscribe before the ballot takes place.
Regards
Lyn
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From: powys-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of richard ellis
Sent: Tuesday, 25 September 2007 7:41 AM
To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POWYS] Militia The Cambrian 16 June 1810
Dear Lyn
I think it is rather more complicated than insurance.
Militia lists were drawn up throughout the country for the
enlistment of reservists in time of war - and article you referred
to, was at the time of the Napoleonic Wars.
I gather that it may be possible to avoid conscription into the military
by substitution on payment of a fee - to one of a number of societies.
I have googled this topic - and it seems that
"Parish records include lists of men liable to serve in the militia
compiled by parish constables prior to the ballot, lists of men balloted
and their substitutes, and records of payment of relief to militia men and
their families.
Parish lists of men liable to serve in the militia (ten names or more):
were for men between the ages of 18 and 50..."
I suggest that the "Substitutes" would be those who could not afford to
pay-off the "insurance" - and therefore their names would have appeared
in the register for enlistment.
Richard
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From: powys-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com]On
Behalf Of Lyn Nunn
Sent: 24 September 2007 12:24
To: GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com; powys(a)rootsweb.com;
MONMOUTHSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [POWYS] Militia The Cambrian 16 June 1810
I am not quite sure what this is about - if anyone can explain I'd
appreciate it. I am thinking it is a kind of insurance?
Bristol, June1, 1810
NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC
The Balloting for the Old Militia for some of the Counties commenced this
day (the 1st of June, 1810), and it is presumed will be general throughout
the kingdom in all this month.
MILTIA
ALL the men of ENGLAND and WALES, subject to the approaching MILITIA BALLOT,
are most respectfully informed that they have an opportunity of becoming
MEMBERS of an INSTITUTION, established in BRISTOL called
THE UNION MILITIA CLUB of England and Wales, in which persons of every
description are admitted.
TERMS VIZ.,
1st. A Subscription of HALF-A-GUINEA will entitle each Person drawn to serve
and Enrolled, or by Substitute, to a proportion of the Funds of this Club,
not exceeding Twelve Pounds Ten Shillings.
2d. A Subscription of ONE GUINEA will entitle each Person so drawn to serve
and Enrolled, or by Substitute, to a proportion of the Funds of this Club,
not exceeding Twenty-five Pounds.
3d. A Subscription of TWO GUINEAS will entitle each Person so drawn to serve
and Enrolled, or by Substitute, to a proportion of the Funds of this Club,
not exceeding Fifty Pounds.
AGENTS in all the principal towns in ENGLAND and WALES are appointed to
receive Subscriptions for all the Counties in the Kingdom, for which they
will give each member so entering a Memorandum of receiving such
Subscriptions, which will be transmitted to the Head Office, the Assembly
Coffee-house, on the Quay, Bristol, for numerical arrangement, when
Certificates will be immediately forwarded by first conveyance, and for
which One shilling is to be paid to the Secretary.
A. ABBOTT Administratrix to (J.K. ABOOTT, Head Office, the Assembly
Coffee-house on the Quay, Bristol) Secretary: WHO HAS APPOINTED Messrs.
STUCKEY. LEAN, HART and MANINGFORD, Bankers, Bristol, Treasurers.
N.B. The Directors of this Institution consider it necessary to observe that
though they do not pledge themselves to pay the several Members of this
establishment, who may be enrolled, the full sums of Twelve Pounds Ten
Shillings, Twenty-five Pounds, and Fifty Pounds, but only a proportion of
the funds of the said Club, but they feel great pleasure in stating that,
from the general received opinion of the success already obtained (being
convinced that numbers secure the undertaking), have induced them to extend
the boundaries of this Institution contrary to the practice of former years,
that by such augmentation they have no doubt but the full sums of Twelve
Pounds Ten Shillings, Twenty-five Pounds, and Fifty Pounds will be paid to
the enrolled, and also a considerable division of the Subscription returned
to the so drawn subscribers.
Lyn Nunn
Brisbane
Australia
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