Hi Venita
Googled for Llewelyn the Great and the fifth reference was to this website:
http://www.ffish.com/family_tree/descendants_llewellyn/d1.htm
which has quite a lot about the family. Llewelyn's daughter Elen is said to have been
his only legitimate daughter, born in 1207, and died in 1253. However, the article goes
on:-
Children
The identity of the mother of some of Llywelyn's children is uncertain. He was
survived by nine children, two legitimate, one probably legitimate and six illegitimate.
Elen ferch Llywelyn (c.1207-1253), his only certainly legitimate daughter, first married
John de Scotia, Earl of Chester. This marriage was childless, and after John's death
Elen married Sir Robert de Quincy , the brother of Roger de Quincy, Earl of Winchester .
Llywelyn's only legitimate son, Dafydd ap Llywelyn (c.1208-1246), married Isabella de
Braose, daughter of William de Braose, 10th Baron Abergavenny , Lord of Abergavenny.
William was the son of Reginald de Braose , who married another of Llywelyn's
daughters. Dafydd and Isabella may have had one child together, Helen of Wales
(1246-1295), but the marriage failed to produce a male heir.
And there is more ---
Regards
Glenys Travis
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Subject: [POWYS] Elen ferch Llywelyn, daughter of Llywelyn the Great
Hi All,
I hope there is someone on this list who is an expert in Medieval Wales, or someone who
knows someone I can contact.
Here’s the thing - Elen is said to be a daughter of Llywelyn the great, born (Elen) about
1230 and died about 1295. She is said to have married twice, her second husband being
Donald MacWilliam of Mar, Scotland. Their daughter, Isabella, married Robert the Bruce,
King of Scotland. The Bruce’s birthdate is recorded as 11 July 1274, and Isabella’s is
estimated at about 1277.
If all the dates are somewhat accurate, the would make Elen about 47 years old when
Isabella was born, which is not likely! Also, Elen’s siblings are almost a generation
older than she. I’m questioning her relationship to Llywelyn - it is more likely that she
is his granddaughter than his daughter. Does anyone have any insight on this?
Many thanks in advance! All comments will be appreciated!
Venita
PS: My source is Wikipedia.
Family History and Other Fascinations
venitap.com
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