*I wonder if anyone can help me out with the origins of the Lloyd family of
Cefnbarrach.
In their article “Traditional and Renaissance Elements in some late Stuart
and early Georgian Half-Timbered Houses in Arwystli”, in Montgomeryshire
Collections Volume 55, P. Smith and C.E.V. Owen note that: *
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*“Richard Bennett, M.A., in his note on the Lloyds of Cefn Barrach
(Dolgoed, Llawr Penegoes, Glanrafon, etc. Pedigree 1922), wrote : "David
Lloyd, commonly believed to have bought Cefn Barrach about 1691, was not
the first of the line to own the place. The transaction in 1691 was rather
that of redeeming a mortgage, than one of buying and selling. It is now
known that the estate belonged to Lloyd's grandparents, who were both dead
in 1672."
From the statement made in 1648 by Edward Evans of Rhyd y Carw, that his
property included "a Tenement and landes called Keven Barrode, in the
possession off David Evans," one might conclude that the property was
transferred from Edward Evans to the Lloyds round about 1650.”
E.R. Morris, in his article “Lloyd of Cefnbarrach, Trefeglwys,
Montgomeryshire”, published in Cronicl Powys. No. 19 (1988), p. 12-15, has
this to say about the earliest known Lloyd (a David Lloyd) of Cefnbarrach: *
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*[He] “was dead before 1672 -- a deed of 1691 redeeming a mortgage by his
grandson David Lloyd III mentions him and his wife Margaret Morgan. She may
have been the heiress of Cefnbarrach -- a small estate which comprised
Bwich yr helygen and Tylottyn as well. This first David Lloyd was a member
of the Lloyd family of Cym-newidion in the parish of Llanfihangel y
Creuddyn, Cardiganshire who were a cadet branch of the Lloyds of Mabws
descended from Owain Gwynedd the 12th century prince of North Wales.”
A family tree by Richard Bennett also has this David Lloyd as being of
Cym-newidion.
It is not clear whether these authors were aware of the 1653 PCC will of
Edward Savage, which leaves his son, also named Edward Savage, the rent
from a tan house and lands in Keven Barach in the tenure of John Brees (a
nephew of Edward Savage, senior). The same will mentions that Edward
Savage, senior, had purchased land (it is not clear to me whether it is the
same land) from David Lloyd, Doctor of Law, and Edward Evans.
Does anyone know what evidence exists linking the Lloyds of Cefnbarrach
with the Lloyds of Cym-newidion? Or even better, what the line is?
A number of Pedigree Resource Files on the LDS Family Search site identify
this first David Lloyd of Cefnbarrach with the Warden of Ruthin (c.1596 -
1663), who was from the Berthlwyd Lloyds. Am I right in assuming that this
is inconsistent with him being of the Cwm-newidion Lloyds? And is there any
evidence that supports or contradicts the first David Lloyd of Cefnbarrach
being the Warden of Ruthin, apart from the will of Edward Savage?
All I know is that the Trefeglwys parish registers make it fairly clear
that David Lloyd, the Warden of Ruthin, was married to a Margaret. (“David
Lloyd, legum doctore”, is a godfather to a child of the vicar of Trefeglwys
in 1630 and “Marg'ta uxor Doctor Lloyd” is a godmother in 1632. David
Lloyd, the father of Catherine Lloyd, baptized 1634, is described as Warden
of Ruthin.) And the 1629 will of Richard Leighton (sheriff in 1599) left
everything to David Lloyd, his wife Margaret, and their daughters Ursula
and Dorothy.
And finally, does anyone know more precisely what information is on the
deed? (It sounds like it might be difficult to interpret.)*