William,
Many thanks for your prompt and informative response. The information
is very useful. I thought that John Williams had married twice (unless
I had confused two different men with that name) and your message
confirms that. It is very likely that John Williams and his first
wife, Ann, were my 3 x great grandparents. Do you know if they were
related to any of your Williams people in Llandinam? If so we might be
distantly related!
My 2 x great grandmother was Ann Williams who married Thomas Price in
Llandinam on 16 July 1832. The witnesses were John Williams and
Maurice Davies. The second mentioned seems to have been a witness at
most marriages in the parish and therefore was probably not related to
either the groom or bride but John Williams was quite likely a close
relative.
The couple subsequently moved to Dowlais, part of Merthyr Tydfil, but
according to various censuses Anne Price (formerly Williams) was born
in Llandinam in about 1808. There is only one Anne Williams in the
parish record who fits the bill and she was the daughter of John
Williams and Anne Hughes and she was christened on 20 March 1808. She
was actually born and christened before her parents marriage but John
Williams was acknowleged as the father in the christening record and
the parents got married in Llandinam on 6 August 1809.
John Williams and Anne Hughes seem to have 4 children. After Anne they had:
John Williams, christened 6 August 1809 in the Parish Church, Llandinam.
Thomas Williams, christened 23 February 1814 in Bethel Calvinistic
Methodist Church, Llandinam.
William Williams, christened 4 April 1816 Bethel Calvinistic Methodist
Church, Llandinam.
Elizabeth Williams, christened 21 September 1818 Bethel Calvinistic
Methodist Church, Llandinam.
Unfortunately neither John Williams nor his first wife Anne seem to
have left a will (and neither did John's second wife Mary). I had
hoped they would have left one which would have mentioned my 2 x great
grandmother Anne Price to prove beyond any doubt that she was their
daughter.
However, since they did not leave wills I suppose I will just have to
try and eliminate any other possible candidates. If there was another
Anne Williams born in Llandinam in about 1808 she was not christened
in the parish church (or the non-conformist ones included in
FindMyPast) nor was anyone of that name with the right age buried in
Llandinam before my Anne Williams married Thomas Price. As a final
check I suppose I could try and find all the Ann/Annes of the right
age whose birth place is given as "Llandinam" in the 1851 census and
if they are married or widowed try and find out if their maiden name
was Williams.
Since I am about 90% convinced that the daughter of John Williams and
Anne Hughes called Anne is the same woman as the one with that name
who married Thomas Price, I would be welcome any information from
anyone who is also (or has already) researched that couple.
Thanks again William for the information about the head stone.
Regards,
Roy Davies
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:25 PM, WILLIAM WILLIAMS
<wi11iam4.t.1913(a)tesco.net> wrote:
There is a slate headstone, with the following inscription.
'What man is he that liveth and shall not see death?'/In memory of ANN/Wife of
JOHN WILLIAMS of Rhydfaes/Who died Jan 11 1833/aged 48./Also of MARY, his wife/who died
Oct 21 1853/aged 49/ Also of JOHN WILLIAMS/aforesaid, died Dec 21 1871/aged 88./'Thou
takest away their breath,/ they die/and return to their dust'
There is no indication of anyone else buried in that grave, other than those mentioned
above. Hope that this helps.
I have some Williams relatives buried in Llandinam church yard.