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Thank you, Theo and Anna,
And there's my family home, Gwernpwll, just below Rhandirmwyn. Being a
Welsh Nonconformist family, I wonder where they would have worshipped and
been buried. My Davies side of the family.from Penhenwernfach and
Abergefail farms in Llangammarch were all buried in the graveyard of
Gelynos chapel, Llanwrtyd, founded in 1693, Congregationalists, I believe.
Many thanks,
Ceri.
Hi Ceri
Rhandir Abad is one of the four hamlets which make up the parish of
Llanfair ar y bryn. The places suggested in other e-mails, such as
Nant y bai and Ystrad y fin, lie within it. The Genuki page for
Llanfair ar y bryn has a map
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Llanfair-ar-y-Bryn/ParishMap.html
which shows the extent of the whole parish but not, as far as I can
see, the hamlet boundaries - but Rhandir Abad would be the top portion.
Anna
At 19:35 21/08/2015, Ceri Davies via wrote:
>Hello,
>I have family on the 1841,1851 & 1871 census in the hamlet of Rhandir Abad,
>but cannot relate it to the modern O.S. map. None of the names in the
>description of the enumeration district match anything on the map.
>Can anyone help me ?
>
>Ceri Davies.
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Thank you, Rhian,
I apologise for taking so long to come back to you to thank you, but I have
been looking at the links that you sent me.There`s a mine of information
there, nearly all new to me, and I am learning so much.
One question springs to mind, and there will probably be many more, but,
firstly, is the name of the family at Gwernpwll, Thomas, and is the family
at Bwlchnewydd, Thomas, that is if they still exist ?
Dymuniadau gorau, a diolch,
Ceri.
On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 6:29 PM, Rhian Williams via <powys(a)rootsweb.com>
wrote:
> Another website that is useful is that of Rhandirmwyn.
>
> The Welsh version at
> http://www.rhandirmwyn.net/welsh/rhan/
> says :
> "Pentref gwasgaredig yw Rhandirmwyn wedi ei leoli yn rhan uchaf cwm Tywi,
> Sir Gaerfyrddin. Mae’r enw wedi deillio trwy gyfuno dau air, sef
> ‘Rhandir,’
> a ‘Mwyn’. ‘Rhandir’ – darn o dir. ‘Mwyn’ – lle cloddiwyd cannoedd o
> dunelli
> o blwm a sinc yng ngwaith mwyn Nantymwyn. "
> "Yn ôl David Owen, awdur Rhandirmwyn – A Brief History, mae’r enw
> Rhandir-mwyn yn gymharol newydd; y cyfeiriad cyntaf a gafwyd hyd yma yw
> mewn
> hysbyseb yn rhifyn 10. 8. 1822 o’r Royal Cornwall Gazette, lle gwahoddir
> cynigion ar gyfer prydlesu’r ‘Lead Veins of Rhandirmwyn’. Cyn hynny, yr enw
> ar yr ardal oedd Rhandir Abad, ac wedyn Nant-y-mwyn. "
>
> Translation:
> Rhandirmwyn is a scattered village located in the upper areas of the Tywi
> Valley in Carmarthenshire. The name derives from two separate words
> 'Rhandir' and 'Mwyn' - 'rhandir' meaning a piece or division of land [my
> addition - used in modern Welsh to mean an allotment ie one section within
> a
> bigger entity], 'mwyn' meaning metal ores referring to where hundreds of
> tons of lead and zinc were mined in the works at Nantymwyn.
> According to David Owen, the author of Rhandirmwyn : a brief history, the
> name Rhandir-mwyn is comparatively new; the first use of it found up to now
> is in an advert in the Royal Cornwall Gazette dated 10.8.1822 where bids
> were invited to lease the 'lead veins of Rhandirmwyn'. Before that the name
> of the area was Rhandir Abad, and following that Nant-y-mwyn.
>
> I've translated this because there doesn't appear to be a directly
> equivalent English translation of the website though there is a link to a
> different English language Rhadirmwyn site at
> http://www.rhandirmwyn.net/home.html . You might find a section within
> that
> site that refers to the name.
>
> Books by David Williams, the eminent historian of the Cistercians, refers
> to
> the extent of the Cistercian grange (see
>
> https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=GSv77Ry8oW4C&pg=PA309&lpg=PA309&dq=rh...
> for instance)
> and this site
>
> https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=GSv77Ry8oW4C&pg=PA309&lpg=PA309&dq=rh...
> talks of the grange being coterminous with the later township of Rhandir
> Abad.
>
> I got both of these references through googling which might be easier than
> trying to copy and paste!
>
> There is quite a lot written about Rhandirmwyn in Welsh if you find that it
> is where you are searching for, and I also have a friend with quite a lot
> of
> knowledge of the area if there is anything specific you want me to ask her.
>
> Best of luck
>
> Rhian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Breese via
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 9:39 AM
> To: Ceri Davies ; powys(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [POWYS] Rhandir Abad
>
> Two more links which may be of interest:
>
> http://cilycwm.com/historygroup/?page_id=835
>
> http://cilycwm.com/historygroup/?page_id=843
>
> Regards
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ceri Davies via
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 7:35 PM
> To: POWYS(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [POWYS] Rhandir Abad
>
> Hello,
> I have family on the 1841,1851 & 1871 census in the hamlet of Rhandir Abad,
> but cannot relate it to the modern O.S. map. None of the names in the
> description of the enumeration district match anything on the map.
> Can anyone help me ?
>
> Ceri Davies.
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I think that what the list shows, Nancy, is that there were as many ways of
writing down the name Manuel / Emanuel as there were officials (clerics
mostly) to do the writing. Spelling of words and names consistently wasn't
considered to be important well into the modern period, even into the late
nineteenth century. Finding variations within the same family or the same
person at different times and in different sources by different scribes
isn't at all unusual. You might find extra members of your family if you
also search for the other spellings!
The other thing the list shows is that Manuel and its variants seems not to
have been an unusual surname in Wales (North at least) and that there are
other Old Testament names used as surnames eg Enoch and Ephraim (the latter
also in my area of Merionethshire).
The list itself www.clwydsurnames.org.uk is a really valuable resource and
must have taken a huge amount of work to compile. It reaches beyond the
limits of Clwyd - I saw several references to Llanycil for instance.
Congratulations to Gill Rose for the work.
Rhian
-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lange via
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 5:39 PM
To: 'Gill Rose' ; powys(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POWYS] MANUEL families (1600's-1800's) -
Trefeglwys,Montgomeryshire, Wales
Thank you, Jill ... this was very interesting. I'm not sure I understood
what I was reading, but I found it very interesting. I have my MANUELs
without the "E" back to the 1600s ... so I'll try to track down some parish
records that pre-date these to see if there are the "EMMANUEL/EMANUEL"
names.
Thank you so much for pointing this out .....
Nancy Lange
-----Original Message-----
From: powys-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of Gill Rose via
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 7:59 AM
To: D JONES via
Subject: Re: [POWYS] MANUEL families (1600's-1800's) -
Trefeglwys,Montgomeryshire, Wales
That's the way I've always understood it. Take a look at the entries under
Emanuel on my website - www.clwydsurnames.org.uk via the publications page
on clwyd fhs website.
Jill rose
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On 19 Aug 2015 11:42, D JONES via <powys(a)rootsweb.com> wrote:
>
> Could the name be a shorrter version of Emanuel?
> DJ
>
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Hello John,
I was so fixated on finding Rhandir Abad that I failed to see that
Gwernpwll, the family farm, was there, staring me in the face, at OS
Ref.783424, between the River Tywi and the road from Llandovery to
Rhandirmwyn.
Ceri.
On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Ceri Davies <cerihywel666(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you, John,
>
> I wonder if the building of the railway explains why I find them at
> Gwernpwll Farm in 1841 and 51, can`t find them in 1861, but then at a new
> address, Bwlch Newydd, in 1871.But no, looking at the map, if Rhandir Abad
> is Nant-Y-Bai, the railway would not have come anywhere near them
>
> My great grandfather and great grandmother had already left by then,
> first for Merthyr Tydfil, and then Treorchy, here in the Rhondda, where
> they are buried.
>
> I have often wondered whether he ever knew that his young brother and
> sister both died within months of each other in 1861, for undisclosed
> reasons.
>
> Ceri.
>
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 11:59 AM, John Ball <john(a)jlb2011.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Dear Ceri,
>>
>> Rhandir Abad (Abbot) is among the list of places mentioned in an Act of
>> Parliament set out in 'The London Gazette' on 30 Nov 1858. The Act relates
>> to a proposed railway line to run from Llanidloes (MGY) to Llandovery
>> (CMN), and includes the route description "...passing from, in, through, or
>> into the several parishes, townships, extra-parochial or other places. . .".
>> The route passes through four counties (Montgomeryshire, Radnorshire,
>> Breconshire, and Carmarthenshire), but I've extracted below those places
>> identified as in the county of Carmarthenshire, which seem to follow the
>> valley of the Tywi (Towy):
>> "Llanfair-ar-y-bryn, Rhandir-isaf, Rhandi-canol, Rhandir-uchaf,
>> Rhandir-Abbott, Llandingat, Llandovery, Telych, Forest and Ystrad, all in
>> the county of Carmarthen, and terminating by a junction with the Vale of
>> Towy Railway at its Llandovery terminus, at or near the station thereof, at
>> or near the town of Llandovery, in the county of Carmarthen."
>>
>> The full article is on pages 5251, 5252, and 5253, which can be accessed
>> at:
>> https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/22205/page/5251/data.pdf
>> https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/22205/page/5252/data.pdf
>> https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/22205/page/5253/data.pdf
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>
>> John
>> -----------
>> John Ball
>> Brecon, Powys
>> Email: john(a)jlb2011.co.uk
>> Website: www.jlb2011.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Ceri Davies via
>> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 7:35 PM
>> To: POWYS(a)rootsweb.com
>> Subject: [POWYS] Rhandir Abad
>>
>> Hello,
>> I have family on the 1841, 1851 & 1871 census in the hamlet of Rhandir
>> Abad,
>> but cannot relate it to the modern O.S. map. None of the names in the
>> description of the enumeration district match anything on the map.
>> Can anyone help me ?
>>
>> Ceri Davies.
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>
>
Dear Ceri,
Rhandir Abad (Abbot) is among the list of places mentioned in an Act of
Parliament set out in 'The London Gazette' on 30 Nov 1858. The Act relates
to a proposed railway line to run from Llanidloes (MGY) to Llandovery (CMN),
and includes the route description "...passing from, in, through, or into
the several parishes, townships, extra-parochial or other places. . .".
The route passes through four counties (Montgomeryshire, Radnorshire,
Breconshire, and Carmarthenshire), but I've extracted below those places
identified as in the county of Carmarthenshire, which seem to follow the
valley of the Tywi (Towy):
"Llanfair-ar-y-bryn, Rhandir-isaf, Rhandi-canol, Rhandir-uchaf,
Rhandir-Abbott, Llandingat, Llandovery, Telych, Forest and Ystrad, all in
the county of Carmarthen, and terminating by a junction with the Vale of
Towy Railway at its Llandovery terminus, at or near the station thereof, at
or near the town of Llandovery, in the county of Carmarthen."
The full article is on pages 5251, 5252, and 5253, which can be accessed at:
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/22205/page/5251/data.pdfhttps://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/22205/page/5252/data.pdfhttps://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/22205/page/5253/data.pdf
Kind regards,
John
-----------
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Brecon, Powys
Email: john(a)jlb2011.co.uk
Website: www.jlb2011.co.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: Ceri Davies via
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 7:35 PM
To: POWYS(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [POWYS] Rhandir Abad
Hello,
I have family on the 1841, 1851 & 1871 census in the hamlet of Rhandir Abad,
but cannot relate it to the modern O.S. map. None of the names in the
description of the enumeration district match anything on the map.
Can anyone help me ?
Ceri Davies.
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Thank you for the suggestion, and yes, it could very well be. I'll have to
do some further research to determine this.
Thank you for your response . it's much appreciated!!
Nancy Lange
_____
From: D JONES [mailto:djedoric1958@btinternet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 3:43 AM
To: Nancy Lange; powys(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POWYS] MANUEL families (1600's-1800's) -
Trefeglwys,Montgomeryshire, Wales
Could the name be a shorrter version of Emanuel?
DJ
_____
Thank you, Jill ... this was very interesting. I'm not sure I understood
what I was reading, but I found it very interesting. I have my MANUELs
without the "E" back to the 1600s ... so I'll try to track down some parish
records that pre-date these to see if there are the "EMMANUEL/EMANUEL"
names.
Thank you so much for pointing this out .....
Nancy Lange
-----Original Message-----
From: powys-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of Gill Rose via
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 7:59 AM
To: D JONES via
Subject: Re: [POWYS] MANUEL families (1600's-1800's) -
Trefeglwys,Montgomeryshire, Wales
That's the way I've always understood it. Take a look at the entries under
Emanuel on my website - www.clwydsurnames.org.uk via the publications page
on clwyd fhs website.
Jill rose
Sent from my hudl
On 19 Aug 2015 11:42, D JONES via <powys(a)rootsweb.com> wrote:
>
> Could the name be a shorrter version of Emanuel?
> DJ
>
>
>
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Two more links which may be of interest:
http://cilycwm.com/historygroup/?page_id=835http://cilycwm.com/historygroup/?page_id=843
Regards
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Ceri Davies via
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To: POWYS(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [POWYS] Rhandir Abad
Hello,
I have family on the 1841,1851 & 1871 census in the hamlet of Rhandir Abad,
but cannot relate it to the modern O.S. map. None of the names in the
description of the enumeration district match anything on the map.
Can anyone help me ?
Ceri Davies.
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Thanks John, not mine I'm sorry to say. Jill
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Subject: [GLA] Golden Weddings
Dear Listers,
I was recently handed a clipping from the 'News of the World' dated 21
November 1943. It lists a number of couples who were then celebrating their
Golden Wedding anniversaries.
In case they are of interest, I've extracted details of the three couples
listed who were from Wales:
Mr. and Mrs. William Morris, of Carmen-st., Caerau [Maesteg]
Mr. and Mrs. William Evans, of Cae-Brest, Bryn-Teg-rd., Gorseinon [near
Swansea]
Mr. and Mrs. Isaac Jones, of Marine-st., Cwm, Mon. [Ebbw Vale]
Kind regards,
John
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Hello,
I have family on the 1841,1851 & 1871 census in the hamlet of Rhandir Abad,
but cannot relate it to the modern O.S. map. None of the names in the
description of the enumeration district match anything on the map.
Can anyone help me ?
Ceri Davies.
I googled and it may be a house all the hit I got were of a manor
NANT-BAI OR RHANDIR ABAD MANOR (no records but a hint
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/c/F238272
ystradyffin;ystrad-ffin;nant-bau;rhandir abad - Coflein (this one has
map coordinates
www.coflein.gov.uk/.../YSTRADYFFIN%3BYSTRAD-FFIN%3BNANT-...
YSTRADYFFIN;YSTRAD-FFIN;NANT-BAU;RHANDIR ABAD. Site Details. Site
Details. NPRN: 245098; Map Reference: SN74NE; Grid Reference:
SN78784659
National Library of Wales journal - Welsh Journals Online -
welshjournals.llgc.org.uk/browse/viewpage/llgc-id.../llgc-id.../getText
Rhandir Abad or Abbots hamlet 38 156 Each of these hamlets has a
Churchwarden. Llandingad alias Llanamddyfri contains no Families
including Cottagers.
Eliz
Not Today and Not without a Fight
(Anon)
For all that has been, thanks.
For all that will be, yes.
(Dag Hammarskjold)
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Ceri Davies via <powys(a)rootsweb.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> I have family on the 1841,1851 & 1871 census in the hamlet of Rhandir Abad,
> but cannot relate it to the modern O.S. map. None of the names in the
> description of the enumeration district match anything on the map.
> Can anyone help me ?
>
> Ceri Davies.
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Dear Listers,
I was recently handed a clipping from the 'News of the World' dated 21
November 1943. It lists a number of couples who were then celebrating their
Golden Wedding anniversaries.
In case they are of interest, I've extracted details of the three couples
listed who were from Wales:
Mr. and Mrs. William Morris, of Carmen-st., Caerau [Maesteg]
Mr. and Mrs. William Evans, of Cae-Brest, Bryn-Teg-rd., Gorseinon [near
Swansea]
Mr. and Mrs. Isaac Jones, of Marine-st., Cwm, Mon. [Ebbw Vale]
Kind regards,
John
--------
John Ball
Brecon, Powys
Email: john(a)jlb2011.co.uk
Website: www.jlb2011.co.uk
That's the way I've always understood it. Take a look at the entries under Emanuel on my website - www.clwydsurnames.org.uk via the publications page on clwyd fhs website.
Jill rose
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On 19 Aug 2015 11:42, D JONES via <powys(a)rootsweb.com> wrote:
>
> Could the name be a shorrter version of Emanuel?
> DJ
>
>
>
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Hi Eliz,
Thank you for responding. I have checked Castle Garden but can't find a match. As far as emigration dates I've seen 1864 and 1865 from 2 of the daughters who lived long enough to answer that question in the 1900 census.
Lona
-----Original Message-----
From: Eliz Hanebury [mailto:elizhgene@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 5:16 PM
To: Lona Boudreaux; powys(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POWYS] Morgan to America
What years did they emigrate? Pre Castle Garden it was catch as catch can, the records are sometimes available but you need to know the ship and thus the Circle game begins!
Eliz
Not Today and Not without a Fight
(Anon)
For all that has been, thanks.
For all that will be, yes.
(Dag Hammarskjold)
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Lona Boudreaux via <powys(a)rootsweb.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I've been following the e-mails of families leaving Wales for other
> countries.
>
>
>
> My Morgan's left Crickhowell, Breconshire for America in the early
> 1860s but I've never found emigration records. They just seem to turn
> up in Johnstown, Pennsylvania before moving to Altoona, Blair Co.,
> Pennsylvania where they remained until their deaths in the 1880's.
>
>
>
> The members of my family weren't born in Swansea but the town often
> mentioned when stories were told about this family. I've wondered if
> it was possible they could have
>
> caught a ship from Swansea and then sailed directly to America. Or
> would this have not been possible?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Lona Boudreaux
>
> Monroe, Louisiana
>
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I seem to remember being told by my history teacher that the surviving
Spanish ships of the Armada were swept up the English Channel and into the
North Sea by severe weather after their defeat in 1588.
Unable to effect repairs to storm and battle damage, they attempted to
return to Spain by sailing around Scotland, and several were wrecked or
foundered off the the western coast of Britain (including presumably Wales).
The survivors were accepted into the local communities and several settled
there.
Could this be the Spanish connection?
Just a long shot!
John Holmes
No canals around Llandudno, but ships to this beautiful holiday town came by way of the sea from Liverpool.
DJ
From: Graham Price via <powys(a)rootsweb.com>
To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2015, 0:13
Subject: Re: [POWYS] POWYS Digest, Vol 10, Issue 75
At 02:24 AM 19/08/2015, Mike Llywelyn Cox via wrote:
>Hi Malcolm and Everyone. To go off on a travel tangent, I'm
>wondering if my families - from Welshpool to Liverpool and thence by
>boat to Llandudno; and from Tewksbury to Manchester - went by canal?
>Heddwch Mike Mike Llywelyn Cox
It's quite possible. I understand that the Montgomery canal opened in 1819.
Cheers
Graham
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Hi,
I've been following the e-mails of families leaving Wales for other
countries.
My Morgan's left Crickhowell, Breconshire for America in the early 1860s but
I've never found emigration records. They just seem to turn up in
Johnstown, Pennsylvania before moving to Altoona, Blair Co., Pennsylvania
where they remained until their deaths in the 1880's.
The members of my family weren't born in Swansea but the town often
mentioned when stories were told about this family. I've wondered if it was
possible they could have
caught a ship from Swansea and then sailed directly to America. Or would
this have not been possible?
Thank you,
Lona Boudreaux
Monroe, Louisiana
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Thanks again Graham.
I will certainly look into the Taff Vale railway as I can see that it is not
too far away from Llanywern.
I really don't know where to head now as the journey is something that, even
with a lot of research, can never be proven.
Having said that, I have really appreciated the options and suggestions from
all those who have responded to my initial request.
Thank you everyone.
Malcolm
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PS. The Taff Vale railway operated from 1836, so may well have been a
viable option.
G.
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