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Shirley -
Thank you for your response. I have looked at these estate records (only
on-line), but I do not see a connection to Thomas Aubrey of Cathedine. It
looks to me like that Aubrey line died out at Ystradgynlais. I am not at
all familiar with the Brecons, so I'm not sure of the geography of these
locations. Are they close to Cathedine? My Obray [Aubrey] male DNA turned
out a little different than I expected. I don't think they came over with
the Normans (or the Romans, Celts, Vikings, Saxons, etc.). The men seem to
be carrying a DNA from the Baltics. All I can think of is Romanian gypsies.
(kidding, I think.)
I was hoping to find a baptismal date for John Aubrey, son of Thomas Aubrey,
and for his John's sister, Anne. This might get me a little closer to
proving or disproving the John Aubrey listed in the will could be my
ancestor. I don't have Findmypast, and I don't know if their records go
back that far (early 1700's). Ancestry.com doesn't have the Cathedine
parish records for that time period.
Lynne in Tucson
-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley W. Vinall
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 3:04 AM
To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POWYS] "Roll call" - members' interests
Dear Lynne,
Have you explored whether your Aubreys are connected with the Aubrey family
(of Norman origin) who were very prominent in Breconshire from the sixteenth
century onwards? They held the Manor of Palleg and then the estate of
Ynyscedwyn in Ystradgynlais, at the southernmost tip of the county, and
their lands extended to Cilybebyll in Glamorganshire, not too far from
Neath. There is a lot of information available on them, e.g.
http://anws.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/anw/frames/fulldesc?inst_id=34&coll_id=1202
(on the archives of the Ynyscedwyn estate);
http://www.spookspring.com/Palleg/palleg.html (on Palleg Manor); and
http://history.powys.org.uk/history/ystrad/cedwyn1.html.
Good luck,
Shirley
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From: powys-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [powys-bounces(a)rootsweb.com] on behalf of
Lynne Ingalls [lynne.ingalls(a)comcast.net]
Sent: 19 April 2013 20:05
To: Powys List
Subject: Re: [POWYS] "Roll call" - members' interests
Dear List -
My research interest is for information about Thomas Aubrey of Cathedine,
Brecon. He left a will in 1743 leaving his son, John Aubrey 8 pounds and
John's wife, Margaret Lewis 10 shillings. He left the remainder of his
estate to his daughter, Anne Aubrey and named Anne executor. The witnesses
were Thomas Prosser, Roger Prosser, and James Lewis. The will was proved by
Anne Awbrey before Richard Davies 20 Sept 1743. The inventory says Thomas
Aubrey of Kathodine.
I think John Aubrey and Margaret Lewis may have moved to Neath prior to the
death of Thomas. I would be interested in knowing who Thomas Aubrey was
married to and any baptisms of the children, John or Anne Awbrey/Aubrey.
Was the father of Margaret Lewis the James Lewis listed as a witness to the
will?
Thanks for any information.
Lynne in Tucson
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Hello All,
Anyone researching in any of the parishes of Beguildy, Bleddfa, Heyope or Llangunllo and who has not seen www.thebeaconbenefice.org.uk might find something of interest there. Each parish church has been surveyed under the leadership of an architectural historian and the many resulting photographs and explanatory notes are on the site. These give a good impression of what the churches may have looked like at different times in the past.
The gravestones of Beguildy and Heyope churchyards have also been surveyed and they are now being put online in the Info section of the site. Each stone has a page with transcription, photograph(s) and many other details, including mason's marks if any are found.
I have found two family stones so far and hope others will find some too.
Best wishes,
Mary
Friends:
I'm relatively new to this list, have been lurking for about a month to learn and now making a first post in response to the roll call.
I'm looking for the HUGHES family -- more specifically: Rev. Hugh J. Hughes and his father and grandfather. Here's what I know:
Rev. Hugh J. Hughes, baptized 10 Dec. 1797 in Llanfihangel parish
married 24 Apr 1820 at Meifod parish (wife: Mary Vaughan)
died 16 Sept 1844 in Palmyra, Ohio (USA)
He was a congregational pastor and may have served in Penllys, but I don't know for sure ... or where else he may have served ... or when he became a minister ... or when he came to America ... or much else about his personal life.
Hugh's parents: John and Alice (Davies) Hughes
John: baptized 8 June 1766 in Llangyniew parish
married 12 May 1789
died 1837 in Meifod parish
occupation: miller
Alice: born abt. 1763
died 13 Jan 1838 Cydwynfa Mill
John's parents: Hugh Hughes and Lowry Hughes
occupation: miller
Thanks for your help, thoughts and suggestions!
Blessings,
Malcolm McQueen
JAMES GRIFFITHS - I am searching for the parents of James Griffiths who was
born in Montgomeryshire about 1813 (age on 1851 Census), apparently in
Llandinam. He married Margaret Mantle in 1833 and she was also said (1851
Census) to be from Llandinam. Margaret was the daughter of Thomas Mantle
and Mary Lewis. But who were James Griffiths' parents? If anyone has any
ideas I would certainly welcome them.
Helen L Whyte
Brecon, Wales, UK
I will have to ask (and find some addresses *G*)
Eliz
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Timothy Davis <tdavisfam(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Eliz
>
> Is the Texas Davis interested in doing a Y-DNA test? Do you want to contact
> the Ohio group and clue them in? If anyone is willing to do the test, I'll
> be happy to give them/you the information for ordering a Y-DNA 12 marker
> test for $ 49.00.
>
> Let me know.
>
> Tim
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > All of the known male descendants are here in the US of A, with Texas
> being
> > where the one I know lives. The others in Ohio haven't a clue <G>
> >
> >
> > Eliz
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Timothy Davis <tdavisfam(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Eliz
> > >
> > > I'll be visiting Wales in late June. We are staying at No. 10 The
> Struet
> > in
> > > Brecon from June 21-28, 2013. If one of the descendants is willing to
> > test
> > > (swab each cheek for 30 seconds with a Q-tip type swab), I will have a
> > > testing kit with me to take his cheek swab.
> > >
> > > Please email Jennifer Lewis, our Wales professional genealogist, about
> > your
> > > William Davis family. Her email address is in the CC line above.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene(a)gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > It is about to come down to it! Fortunately there are many male
> > > descendants
> > > > - willing I am not so sure!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > eliz
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Timothy Davis <tdavisfam(a)gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Eliz
> > > > >
> > > > > Does your man have any living maled Davis descendants who would be
> > > > willing
> > > > > to Y-DNA test?. It's an effective way to find out to which family a
> > > > > gentlemen belongs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim
> > > > > Baltimore
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Eliz Hanebury <
> elizhgene(a)gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > LOL a few centuries to early for my man! Attachments aren't
> allowed
> > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > lists, but you can go to the County Board at rootsweb and post
> the
> > > > > picture
> > > > > > with a post explaining what it is <G>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Eliz
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Timothy Davis <
> > tdavisfam(a)gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Eliz
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm assuming from your question that my attachment did not
> appear
> > > on
> > > > > > Powys
> > > > > > > List with my email, so hee is what we wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "William Davis – Cronicl Article 2013-02-04 Draft5
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Our family descends from William Davies/Davis, born 1663/4 in
> > > Wales.
> > > > > When
> > > > > > > William matriculated in St. Mary’s Hall (now Orion College)
> > Oxford
> > > > > > > University, in 1682, his father, William Davis, described as a
> > > > plebian,
> > > > > > > lived in Llanstephan, Radnorshire, Wales. By 1684, William had
> > > > > converted
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > the Quaker faith from Anglican, left Oxford without graduating,
> > and
> > > > > > > emigrated to the William Penn Colony in Philadelphia,
> > Pennsylvania,
> > > > > > > America. Of William Davis’ life and family in Wales, this is
> all
> > we
> > > > > know.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can you help us find William Davis’ ancestors and descendants
> in
> > > > Wales?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do you know any families who carry the Davies/Davis surname who
> > had
> > > > > > > ancestors living in the Llanstephan area?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of William Davis’ life and family in America, we have a strong
> > > paper
> > > > > > > history. Once in America, William Davis became disenchanted
> with
> > > the
> > > > > > Quaker
> > > > > > > faith and converted to the Seventh Day Baptist religion,
> > becoming a
> > > > > > > minister. He remained a Seventh Day Baptist, living in
> > > Philadelphia,
> > > > > then
> > > > > > > Westerly, Rhode Island and finally in Shrewsbury, New Jersey
> > until
> > > > his
> > > > > > > death in 1745. He married Elizabeth Brinley/Brisley in 1687 and
> > had
> > > > > four
> > > > > > > children. He married his second wife, Elizabeth Pavior, in
> about
> > > 1700
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > had 7 more children. Because several of William Davis’ sons
> were
> > > also
> > > > > > > ministers in the Seventh Day Baptist Church, much of his family
> > > tree
> > > > > has
> > > > > > > been researched in detail, published both in books and online.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To complement our genealogical search, we established the
> William
> > > > Davis
> > > > > > DNA
> > > > > > > Project (WDDP). We are a non-profit, volunteer-run group
> created
> > to
> > > > > > > research our Davis ancestors and to connect living descendants
> of
> > > > > William
> > > > > > > Davis using DNA testing. All male William Davis descendants, so
> > > far,
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > closely matching Y-DNA, haplogroup I2a1b (L160), proven by 67
> and
> > > > > > > 111-marker Y-DNA tests. The WDDP's website posts news about
> > current
> > > > > > > research and hosts the William Davis public online family tree.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > williamdavisdna.org <
> > http://williamdavisdnaproject.wordpress.com/>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [http://williamdavisdnaproject.wordpress.com],
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We welcome leads to assist with our search for William
> > > Davies/Davis’
> > > > > > Welsh
> > > > > > > ancestors. If you think you can help, please contact us at our
> > WDDP
> > > > > > > website, or email Timothy Davis, William Davis Researcher,
> > > Baltimore,
> > > > > MD,
> > > > > > > USA (tdavisfam(a)gmail.com), Jan Davis Markle, Administrator,
> > WDDP,
> > > > > > > Petaluma,
> > > > > > > CA, USA (jrmarkle(a)gmail.com), or our local Wales
> representative,
> > > > Mrs.
> > > > > > > Jennifer Lewis at Jennifer.powysresearch(a)hotmail.com or Grove
> > > Villa,
> > > > > > > Crossgates, Llandrindod Wells, Powys. lD1 6RE
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Authors:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jan Davis Markle
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Elizabeth F. Davis Davids
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Meghan F. Davis
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > P. Susan Davis
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Peter N. Davis
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Timothy W. Davis
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jennifer Lewis"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you for inquiring...and any help anyone can give us.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let me know if you want more information about the family in
> > > America.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tim
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Eliz Hanebury <
> > > elizhgene(a)gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Oh more information please <G> I too am chasing a William
> born
> > in
> > > > > Wales
> > > > > > > > (where, I have no idea, possibilities but nothing firm) 1816.
> > So
> > > > some
> > > > > > > > information about yours would be nice.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Eliz
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Timothy Davis <
> > > > tdavisfam(a)gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Powys Listers
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This article appears in the Croncl Powys for April 2013
> about
> > > our
> > > > > > > search
> > > > > > > > > for potential members of our William Davis family.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Let us know if you can help.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tim Davis
> > > > > > > > > Baltimore, Maryland, USA
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 10:40 AM, John Ball <
> > > john(a)jlb2011.co.uk>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lists,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Our list has been very quiet for some time.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > At times such as this, it's often useful for each list
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Dear Mary,
Thank you very much indeed for double-checking those parish records and coming up with this interesting information. I had not paid attention to the entry for this Thomas because I didn't know until some time after I started research into these people that there might have been an elder brother with that name - and also because census entries for Richard always describe him as a farmer. But it could well be the right family, since I know people often had two occupations, and the Thomas I have found would have been born about 1825, and census records give his birth as Beguildy. Since getting your message I have tried to find out exactly where Butterwell was, and have found a reference on Coflein to an old farmhouse of that name in the parish of Bugeildy. So if the farm were somewhere close to the borders of the two parishes this would fit nicely with the varying references to John's birthplace - I shall try to follow this up.
Thank you too for your other suggestions. I had considered a possible non-conformist connection but since several later members of the family were Baptists I had thought it unlikely I would find an infant baptism. But now I'll try to follow up the information about Velindre. Your comments about the size of the parish and its difficulties are useful too.
Do let me know if your missing ggg-grandmother Martha and mine coinncide!
Best wishes,
Shirley
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From: powys-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [powys-bounces(a)rootsweb.com] on behalf of Mary Z [meredith16b(a)yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 17 April 2013 11:39
To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POWYS] Richard and Martha Morgan(s) Beguildy 1841 ( "Roll call" - members' interests)
Hello Shirley,
A search of transcriptions of Beguildy, Llanbister, Llanno and Llanbadarn Fynydd Parish Registers produced several Richard Morgan(s) but none that satisfied your search for a Richard-Martha marriage or a baptism of their son John. Do you know about the baptism of Thomas son of Richard and Martha Morgan, Taylor of Butterwell on 27 Feb 1825 in Llanbadarn Fynydd?
John could have been baptised in a Non-conformist chapel. At Medwalleth they would have been near Velindre Methodist chapel. Or it could be a forgetful vicar. I have some missing baptisms in Beguildy around that time. It is such a large, long parish that earlier vicars had 'outposts' for baptisms at Medwalleth and Pennant. Later a church was built at Crug-y-budder to serve the upper part of the parish.
Your message has reminded me that I have a missing ggg-grandmother also called Martha and also with a Bettws connection!
Best wishes,
Mary
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Hi.
I am trying to sort out who were the parents of the blacksmith Thomas
Brees, who married Mary Lewis in Llanwnog in 1778, and later Mary Powell in
Newtown in 1784, and who died 29 Dec 1805 in Caersws/Llanwnog. I suspect
that his parents were Thomas Brees and Anne Lloyd, but it would be nice to
have more evidence of that than I have.
I am also looking for the parents of Jane Pryce, who was born in Llandinam
in about 1794 and married James Powell Brees in 1809 in Llandinam. There is
a confusingly large number of Jane Pryces baptized in Llandinam around 1794
in Findmypast's MGS transcriptions of the Bishop's Transcripts, (four with
parents John and Sarah). I haven't checked any originals. Some mentions in
wills, but nothing that I can see that sorts things out.
Also, Montgomeryshire Collections 19, p. 195 mentions:
Samuel Powell of Welshpool, born 26th December 1748, married Elizabeth,
daughter of James Powell, son of William Powell of Cilgwrgan, in the parish
of Llanmerewig, son of William Powell of Cilgwrgan, gent., who married a
Miss Pryce of Llandinam.
I have been trying to find out more about the earlier generations of
Powells here, without much success.
Rod
Goodness Margaret,
You really have almost all you need in your tree. ;-)) I think I have a few
more 'odd' ones to add, so will send off list.
I am very glad you liked the website. Comments such as that make me feel it
is all worthwhile.
My best wishes, Jill
Glamorgan Mailing List's website
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/
-----Original Message-----
From: Peggy Sue [mailto:pretty.peggy.sue@gmail.com]
Sent: 16 April 2013 19:26
To: jill(a)shottle.plus.com; powys(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POWYS] Roll Call HAMON / AMOS
Hi Jill and thanks for your interest,
By the by, your website is wonderful; I think we've corresponded before
about St. Tudors.
I deliberately left out details after 1832, as I was mostly asking about
possible immigration routes and methods (i.e., roads vs ships) from Scotland
to Wales and then internally in Wales.
I am not asking for help with research after 1832; I've got that pretty well
documented. However, if you think it might help, I'll include now.
[Rest of message cropped]
Hello Shirley,
A search of transcriptions of Beguildy, Llanbister, Llanno and Llanbadarn Fynydd Parish Registers produced several Richard Morgan(s) but none that satisfied your search for a Richard-Martha marriage or a baptism of their son John. Do you know about the baptism of Thomas son of Richard and Martha Morgan, Taylor of Butterwell on 27 Feb 1825 in Llanbadarn Fynydd?
John could have been baptised in a Non-conformist chapel. At Medwalleth they would have been near Velindre Methodist chapel. Or it could be a forgetful vicar. I have some missing baptisms in Beguildy around that time. It is such a large, long parish that earlier vicars had 'outposts' for baptisms at Medwalleth and Pennant. Later a church was built at Crug-y-budder to serve the upper part of the parish.
Your message has reminded me that I have a missing ggg-grandmother also called Martha and also with a Bettws connection!
Best wishes,
Mary
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I originally posted this note direct to the "digest" - apologies John -- no wonder it it never appeared on the Powys list
Cwm-gu : would some kind lister know the translation of this place name. I'm aware that "cu" means beloved and therefore "gu" could be a mutatation
It is a small fold in the hill just to the east of Tretower (Tretwr) on the south-western slope of Pen Cerrig-calch. There are two farms, Cwm-gu fach and Cwm-gu fawr
Many thanks
Roger M Evans
I have a feeling that my Dowding family may be linked to the Prossers, James
and Davies. Two of the girls married - one to a Prosser and one to a James.
If I remember rightly their mother was a Davies. Will reply later as we are
in the midst of a family emergency at the moment and I will need time to
look at my records.
Elizabeth
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> Today's Topics:
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> 1. James, Prosser (John Ball)
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> From: "John Ball" <john(a)jlb2011.co.uk>
> Subject: [POWYS] James, Prosser
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> From: Jan Seiver <stephen.seiver(a)bigpond.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:09 AM
> To: powys-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: James, Prosser
>
> Hi, I would like to add my surnames to the list, I am looking for any
> information on the following families, they lived in Beaufort, the details
> I have are;
>
> John James born abt 1806 (re 1841 census) married Ann Davies (born abt
> 1802)
> around abt 1827 and they had 7 children;
> Samuel Cooper James born abt 1827
> Georgiana 1828
> John 1830
> William 1833
> James 1834
> David 1837
> Thomas 1839
>
> Samuel Cooper James (my ggrandfather) married Martha Prosser (born abt
> 1834) in 1855 at Llangattock Parish Church in the County of Brecon,
> Martha?s
> parents were David and Mary Prosser.
>
> I would appreciate any help in finding the birth of Samuel Cooper James
> also
> the marriage and birth of his parents John James and Ann Davies, I have
> been
> stuck on this brick wall for so long and can?t move back any further.
>
> Thank you
>
> Jan in Australia
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jan Seiver <stephen.seiver(a)bigpond.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:09 AM
To: powys-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: James, Prosser
Hi, I would like to add my surnames to the list, I am looking for any
information on the following families, they lived in Beaufort, the details
I have are;
John James born abt 1806 (re 1841 census) married Ann Davies (born abt 1802)
around abt 1827 and they had 7 children;
Samuel Cooper James born abt 1827
Georgiana 1828
John 1830
William 1833
James 1834
David 1837
Thomas 1839
Samuel Cooper James (my ggrandfather) married Martha Prosser (born abt
1834) in 1855 at Llangattock Parish Church in the County of Brecon, Martha’s
parents were David and Mary Prosser.
I would appreciate any help in finding the birth of Samuel Cooper James also
the marriage and birth of his parents John James and Ann Davies, I have been
stuck on this brick wall for so long and can’t move back any further.
Thank you
Jan in Australia
All of the known male descendants are here in the US of A, with Texas being
where the one I know lives. The others in Ohio haven't a clue <G>
Eliz
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Timothy Davis <tdavisfam(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Eliz
>
> I'll be visiting Wales in late June. We are staying at No. 10 The Struet in
> Brecon from June 21-28, 2013. If one of the descendants is willing to test
> (swab each cheek for 30 seconds with a Q-tip type swab), I will have a
> testing kit with me to take his cheek swab.
>
> Please email Jennifer Lewis, our Wales professional genealogist, about your
> William Davis family. Her email address is in the CC line above.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Tim
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > It is about to come down to it! Fortunately there are many male
> descendants
> > - willing I am not so sure!
> >
> >
> >
> > eliz
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Timothy Davis <tdavisfam(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Eliz
> > >
> > > Does your man have any living maled Davis descendants who would be
> > willing
> > > to Y-DNA test?. It's an effective way to find out to which family a
> > > gentlemen belongs.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > > Baltimore
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene(a)gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > LOL a few centuries to early for my man! Attachments aren't allowed
> on
> > > the
> > > > lists, but you can go to the County Board at rootsweb and post the
> > > picture
> > > > with a post explaining what it is <G>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Eliz
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Timothy Davis <tdavisfam(a)gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Eliz
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm assuming from your question that my attachment did not appear
> on
> > > > Powys
> > > > > List with my email, so hee is what we wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "William Davis – Cronicl Article 2013-02-04 Draft5
> > > > >
> > > > > Our family descends from William Davies/Davis, born 1663/4 in
> Wales.
> > > When
> > > > > William matriculated in St. Mary’s Hall (now Orion College) Oxford
> > > > > University, in 1682, his father, William Davis, described as a
> > plebian,
> > > > > lived in Llanstephan, Radnorshire, Wales. By 1684, William had
> > > converted
> > > > to
> > > > > the Quaker faith from Anglican, left Oxford without graduating, and
> > > > > emigrated to the William Penn Colony in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania,
> > > > > America. Of William Davis’ life and family in Wales, this is all we
> > > know.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you help us find William Davis’ ancestors and descendants in
> > Wales?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you know any families who carry the Davies/Davis surname who had
> > > > > ancestors living in the Llanstephan area?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Of William Davis’ life and family in America, we have a strong
> paper
> > > > > history. Once in America, William Davis became disenchanted with
> the
> > > > Quaker
> > > > > faith and converted to the Seventh Day Baptist religion, becoming a
> > > > > minister. He remained a Seventh Day Baptist, living in
> Philadelphia,
> > > then
> > > > > Westerly, Rhode Island and finally in Shrewsbury, New Jersey until
> > his
> > > > > death in 1745. He married Elizabeth Brinley/Brisley in 1687 and had
> > > four
> > > > > children. He married his second wife, Elizabeth Pavior, in about
> 1700
> > > and
> > > > > had 7 more children. Because several of William Davis’ sons were
> also
> > > > > ministers in the Seventh Day Baptist Church, much of his family
> tree
> > > has
> > > > > been researched in detail, published both in books and online.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > To complement our genealogical search, we established the William
> > Davis
> > > > DNA
> > > > > Project (WDDP). We are a non-profit, volunteer-run group created to
> > > > > research our Davis ancestors and to connect living descendants of
> > > William
> > > > > Davis using DNA testing. All male William Davis descendants, so
> far,
> > > have
> > > > > closely matching Y-DNA, haplogroup I2a1b (L160), proven by 67 and
> > > > > 111-marker Y-DNA tests. The WDDP's website posts news about current
> > > > > research and hosts the William Davis public online family tree.
> > > > >
> > > > > williamdavisdna.org <http://williamdavisdnaproject.wordpress.com/>
> > > > >
> > > > > [http://williamdavisdnaproject.wordpress.com],
> > > > >
> > > > > We welcome leads to assist with our search for William
> Davies/Davis’
> > > > Welsh
> > > > > ancestors. If you think you can help, please contact us at our WDDP
> > > > > website, or email Timothy Davis, William Davis Researcher,
> Baltimore,
> > > MD,
> > > > > USA (tdavisfam(a)gmail.com), Jan Davis Markle, Administrator, WDDP,
> > > > > Petaluma,
> > > > > CA, USA (jrmarkle(a)gmail.com), or our local Wales representative,
> > Mrs.
> > > > > Jennifer Lewis at Jennifer.powysresearch(a)hotmail.com or Grove
> Villa,
> > > > > Crossgates, Llandrindod Wells, Powys. lD1 6RE
> > > > >
> > > > > Authors:
> > > > >
> > > > > Jan Davis Markle
> > > > >
> > > > > Elizabeth F. Davis Davids
> > > > >
> > > > > Meghan F. Davis
> > > > >
> > > > > P. Susan Davis
> > > > >
> > > > > Peter N. Davis
> > > > >
> > > > > Timothy W. Davis
> > > > >
> > > > > Jennifer Lewis"
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you for inquiring...and any help anyone can give us.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let me know if you want more information about the family in
> America.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Eliz Hanebury <
> elizhgene(a)gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Oh more information please <G> I too am chasing a William born in
> > > Wales
> > > > > > (where, I have no idea, possibilities but nothing firm) 1816. So
> > some
> > > > > > information about yours would be nice.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Eliz
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Timothy Davis <
> > tdavisfam(a)gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Powys Listers
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This article appears in the Croncl Powys for April 2013 about
> our
> > > > > search
> > > > > > > for potential members of our William Davis family.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let us know if you can help.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tim Davis
> > > > > > > Baltimore, Maryland, USA
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 10:40 AM, John Ball <
> john(a)jlb2011.co.uk>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dear Lists,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Our list has been very quiet for some time.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > At times such as this, it's often useful for each list member
> > to
> > > > > send a
> > > > > > > > brief message to the List, outlining the names, places and
> > dates
> > > of
> > > > > > > > ancestors he/she is researching. It's also useful to include
> a
> > > > > > > description
> > > > > > > > of any obstacles blocking your progress.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The accumulated pool of knowledge possessed by list members
> is
> > > > > > > > considerable.
> > > > > > > > It's possible that sharing interests and 'brick walls' may
> lead
> > > to
> > > > > > > > breakthroughs in your family history research.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I look forward to hearing some details of your research - but
> > > > please
> > > > > > > > remember to put a meaningful title in the Subject line of
> your
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> > > > > > > >
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Hello Diane,
Like you, I have connections with Llanafanfawr. According to the
information that I have, your Evan was the son of Evan Price, bc1781 and the
family lived at the farm called Erwddol. I think that Margaret was the
daughter of John Jones, B c1796 in Llanwrthwl and Margaret B c1809 in
Llangammarch. Evan and Margaret's son, John A, b c1845, married Elizabeth,
daughter of Rees Jones and Sarah (nee Williams) and Sarah was the daughter
of Rev David Williams of Troedrhiwdalar and his wife, Elizabeth. By chance,
my 4x great-grandfather, James, was Elizabeth's brother.
I would very much like to hear more about your family.
Best wishes,
Alison
in Malvern, UK
Hi Powys Listers,
My research is in Berriew/Bettws area of Montgomeryshire.
My mother is TANNER and I have gotten back to the early 1700s with my
Tanner line.
Richard Rogers b.1773 and Elizabeth Tanner had a liason in 1822 and had
Edward Tanner. This is well documented. He was married to Jane Gethyn, and
had several other children and was a Tailor of Berriew. He owned several
properties, Spout House, Thimble Hall, and Stingwern. Have visited
Stingwern in Brooks.
Have been doing research for almost 50 years.
Georgina
Georgina Goodby Fisher
formerly of Sutton Coldfield, Warks
now in Orange, California
6 miles from Disneyland
One Name Study Goodby
www.goodbytree.org
Hi, I somehow managed to hit send before I was finished with all the
details. But I think I've included enough to show that I've got lots of
documentation and the surname is all over the place. If you think more
would help, let me know, and I'll add to the existing list.
Again, thanks for your interest.
Margaret
New Jersey, USA
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Peggy Sue <pretty.peggy.sue(a)gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi Jill and thanks for your interest,
>
> By the by, your website is wonderful; I think we've corresponded before
> about St. Tudors.
>
> I deliberately left out details after 1832, as I was mostly asking about
> possible immigration routes and methods (i.e., roads vs ships) from
> Scotland to Wales and then internally in Wales.
>
> I am not asking for help with research after 1832; I've got that pretty
> well documented. However, if you think it might help, I'll include now.
>
> So, family history process and details. I started with my
> great-grandparents Benjamin D and Jennie (Mary Jane) Davies Amos and worked
> backwards. My father lived with them for a couple of years after his own
> mother died of a brain tumor, so they and their stories were a generation
> "closer" to me than would otherwise have been the case. I have many
> records for them and their children here in the U. S., including about
> 400 newspaper articles.
>
> I started with what I knew, which was that Benjamin had been born in Wales
> and when, so it was fairly easy to find them in the 1881 Census, recorded
> as Amos. From there I tried to work backwards. I searched for them as
> Amos in the 1871 without success. Took me awhile because I was working on
> other things at the same time, but I finally found them as Hammonds by
> searching for Benjamin without a surname but with a birth date. This was
> my first evidence of spelling variations with the name. I think I
> mentioned an uncle had told me years ago that the family name had
> originally been Hamon, so I was confident this was my family. Also
> Benjamin's father William is the one who came to the U.S. in 1881, so I
> already knew of him.
>
> Then after much more searching, I found William with his birth family in
> the 1851 census (Hamos), where it says his father David was born out of
> county. It also gave David's wife as Martha. It was pretty easy to find
> them in the 1841 census (Hammons) since I had a better idea of what names
> to search.
>
> I was unable to find them in 1861; as it turned out, David had died in
> 1860. Martha is in the census as Hemas.
>
> I then spent quite a while and goodly sums tracking down birth information
> for David's children; the list of family members is at the end of this
> "novelella." I was lucky to run across the marriage record for David Haman
> and Martha Rees on 30 Jan 1832 and the baptism of their first daughter
> Margaret in Aug 1832, which gave her birth date as 3 July 1832. She is
> recorded as the daughter of David Amos.
>
> As to the name being misspelled, I admit to being baffled at first. The
> variations probably look and sound different to me being born in the U.S.
> than they do to someone born in Wales. It's just difficult to evaluate
> records before 1841, as the inconsistency started before that and there are
> no GRO records to support one possibility over another.
>
> So here are the family members with recorded names in parentheses. I'll
> stop with the generation born in Wales, as I have the U.S. families well
> documented. Where I have complete dates, it means I have a GRO certificate
> for the event unless otherwise noted. I don't know if any of the couples
> had children who were born and died between the censuses. William and
> Thomas are the only ones who emigrated; Births after 1881 are in the U.S,
> where birth records are more scarce
>
> 1 David m Martha Rees, 30 Jan 1832
> 2 Margaret (Amos), 3 July 1832 - 14 July 1846 (Amos)
> 2 William, 22 Dec 1834 (U.S. naturalization papers) - 25 May 1905
> U.S.
> m Mary Davies 14 Nov 1867 (Amos)
> 3 David abt 1859 - 15 Mar 1860 (Hammonds)
> 3 Maria 1861 - ? U.S.
> m Maurice Morgan as Amos, 23 Feb 1879
> 4 Thomas, 1879
> 4 William, Nov 1881
> 4 Evan, Mar 1884
> 4 Benjamin, Jul 1886
> 4 Margaret, Sep 1890
> 4 Mary, Mar 1894
> 4 David, Nov 1896
> 4 Arthur, Oct 1899
> 3 Gwilym (Hammonds), 23 Dec 1861 - bef 2 Apr 1830 U.S.
> m Eleanor/Ellen Gittings
> 4 William David, 26 Mar 1879
> 4 John, 1883
> 4 Henry, Jul 1885 - 5 Oct 1931
> 4 Brinley, May 1889
> 4 Stanley, Feb 1893
> 4 Arthur, Jan 1896
> 4 Margaret, 23 Oct 1898
> 4 Eleanor, 1909
> 3 Mary Jane (Hammons), 22 Apr 1866
> m Edward Davies
> 3 Benjamin
> 3 Margaret Ann
> 3 Henry
> 3 Elizabeth
> 2 Thomas (Hammonds), 14 March 1840 - 29 Jan 1913 U.S.
> m Mary Blackmore as Amos 8 Jul 1861
> 3 Mary Jane, Dec 1861
> 3 Martha (Hemus), 23 May 1870
> 3 Margaret (Hemus), 2 May 1872
> 3 Miriam(Hammonds), 18 Oct 1874 - 27 Jul 1882
> 3 Margaret Ann (Hamonds), 21 Oct 1876
> 3 Maria (Amos), 16 Oct 1878
> 3 Benjamin (Amos), 22 Mar 1880
> 3 Rees, Dec 1882
> 3 William, Sep 1884 - 1958
> 2 Charles (Hammonds), 19 Apr 1843 - 25 Aug 1858 (Amos)
> 2 Margaret (Amos). 31 Oct 1846 - 22 Feb 1922 Wales
> m Watkin Morgan
> 3 John
> 3 David
> 3 Hannah
> 4 Clifford, 1901 Wales
> 3 Alice
> 3 unknown 1
> 3 unknown 2
> 2 John (Hammonds), 2 Mar 1850 - 1892 Wales
> m Jane Martin
> 3 Mary Jane
> 3 William J
> 3 Arthur
> 2 Mary (Hammos) 15 Feb 1853
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Jill Muir <jill(a)shottle.plus.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Margaret,
>> You haven't told us who David married in 1832 at St. Tudor's Mynyddyslwyn,
>> Monmouthshire, nor do we have the name of his first child. Both of these
>> names would help us to help you find your David.
>>
>> Has it occurred to you that the surname HAMMONS in the 1841census is
>> probably just an error of spelling?
>>
>> What census did you start with? Where did you get the information from?
>> What are the b/m/d details of your Great Grandfather? Whom did he marry?
>> Do you have any Birth, Marriage and Death certificates to back up your
>> research?
>>
>> Hoping to help a little,
>>
>> My best wishes, Jill
>> Photographs of Welsh Chapels and Churches
>> http://www.welshchapelsandchurches.org/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: powys-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
>> Behalf Of Peggy Sue
>> Sent: 15 April 2013 02:14
>> To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
>> Subject: [POWYS] Roll Call HAMON / AMOS
>>
>> Hello List,
>>
>> My GGG-grandfather David Hamon was born abt 1809. In 1841 he is in the
>> census in Monmouthshire and "was born in county." But the 1851 census,
>> says he was born out of county. His parentage and place of origin is my
>> current brick wall. My search is complicated by the fact that at least as
>> early as 1832, with his marriage and the baptism of his first daughter,
>> the
>> family's name is recorded variously as Hamans, Amos, Ham(m)on(d)(s),
>> Hemus,
>> Hamos, and Hammos. The marriage took place at St. Tudor's Mynyddyslwyn,
>> Mons. Subsequent census and birth records put them in various places in
>> Mons, ending with Tredegar.
>>
>> Many years ago, an uncle told me the family name was originally Hamon and
>> that we came into Wales from Scotland, fleeing religious persecution.
>> Without knowing whether or when they may have emigrated to Wales, it's
>> difficult to say which form of persecution was being applied. For
>> instance, I've learned that Presbyterianism was the Scottish state
>> religion, so Anglicans were not the established group. For no good
>> reason, I thought that if David wasn't born in Mons, the most logical
>> place
>> to look was Breconshire. Alas, no luck so far.
>>
>> My particular search complications stem from the fact that there are whole
>> families named Amos and Hammon(d)(s) that have nothing to do with mine and
>> whose name doesn't mutated at every possible opportunity. I have had to
>> purchase birth and marriage certificates for David's children and his
>> son's
>> children to ensure they were the "right" people. Thank goodness the
>> mothers' maiden names are on the birth certificates and the father's on
>> the
>> marriages.
>>
>> If anyone has any insights on David's possible origins, emigration from
>> Scotland to Wales, or anything else, I would be grateful to hear them.
>>
>> Hope springs eternal, ;-)
>> Margaret
>> New Jersey, USA
>>
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>
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>
> Luzerne County, Pennsylvania: AMOS, CHARLES, DAVIES, FISHER, HENRY,
> PRICE, RAUGH/ROUGH, REESE, WAGNER
>
> Brecknockshire (Breconshire): HAMON (?)
>
> Monmouthshire: AMOS/HAMON, REES
>
> Glamorganshire: DAVIS/DAVIES, COLLINS (also Ireland), REESE
>
> Cardiganshire: GRIFFITHS, THOMAS
>
> Holland and Germany: UPDYKE, DIETRICH, GRANTZ
>
>
--
Luzerne County, Pennsylvania: AMOS, CHARLES, DAVIES, FISHER, HENRY, PRICE,
RAUGH/ROUGH, REESE, WAGNER
Brecknockshire (Breconshire): HAMON (?)
Monmouthshire: AMOS/HAMON, REES
Glamorganshire: DAVIS/DAVIES, COLLINS (also Ireland), REESE
Cardiganshire: GRIFFITHS, THOMAS
Holland and Germany: UPDYKE, DIETRICH, GRANTZ
I am searching for info on Evan Price and his wife Margaret Jones.
His death cert. states that Evan was born in Llanafanfawr on 13 May 1820. I
have found a lot of Evan Prices on-line, but none in 1820. He went to
America in 1845 with Robert Powell. He didn't find anything he liked and
returned to Wales. He immigrated to America with his family in 1852 and
traveled back and forth, as he was a horse trader. His father MAY have also
been named Evan, as he was referred as Evan Jr. in America.
He married Margaret Jones on 31 Oct 1843 in Llanafanfawr. Witnesses were
John Price & Robert Powell. Her parents were John Jones & Margaret ???. She
gave her birth date as 16 Apr 1826. I found a Margaret baptized 14 Apr 1826
in Llanwrtyd, but the source didn't list parents.
Part of Evan's obituary states "When 21 yrs old he joined the
Congregational church with 123 others at the Troedrhilodalar in 1841 under
the ministry of David Williams."
In the 1851 census, Evan and his family are living with Margaret's parents
at Bwlch cile farm, Llanafanfawr (not sure if that is spelled correctly). I
do have a copy of their marriage cert. It appears that their children
(Sarah, John, Margaret Robert, Evan) who were born in Wales were baptized
in Builth. The other 6 were born in Ohio, U.S.
I am not very familiar with researching in Wales. I am trying to learn
where the places are, and where to look for information. I would appreciate
any help with this family.
Thank you,
Diane
Hi Jill and thanks for your interest,
By the by, your website is wonderful; I think we've corresponded before
about St. Tudors.
I deliberately left out details after 1832, as I was mostly asking about
possible immigration routes and methods (i.e., roads vs ships) from
Scotland to Wales and then internally in Wales.
I am not asking for help with research after 1832; I've got that pretty
well documented. However, if you think it might help, I'll include now.
So, family history process and details. I started with my
great-grandparents Benjamin D and Jennie (Mary Jane) Davies Amos and worked
backwards. My father lived with them for a couple of years after his own
mother died of a brain tumor, so they and their stories were a generation
"closer" to me than would otherwise have been the case. I have many
records for them and their children here in the U. S., including about
400 newspaper articles.
I started with what I knew, which was that Benjamin had been born in Wales
and when, so it was fairly easy to find them in the 1881 Census, recorded
as Amos. From there I tried to work backwards. I searched for them as
Amos in the 1871 without success. Took me awhile because I was working on
other things at the same time, but I finally found them as Hammonds by
searching for Benjamin without a surname but with a birth date. This was
my first evidence of spelling variations with the name. I think I
mentioned an uncle had told me years ago that the family name had
originally been Hamon, so I was confident this was my family. Also
Benjamin's father William is the one who came to the U.S. in 1881, so I
already knew of him.
Then after much more searching, I found William with his birth family in
the 1851 census (Hamos), where it says his father David was born out of
county. It also gave David's wife as Martha. It was pretty easy to find
them in the 1841 census (Hammons) since I had a better idea of what names
to search.
I was unable to find them in 1861; as it turned out, David had died in
1860. Martha is in the census as Hemas.
I then spent quite a while and goodly sums tracking down birth information
for David's children; the list of family members is at the end of this
"novelella." I was lucky to run across the marriage record for David Haman
and Martha Rees on 30 Jan 1832 and the baptism of their first daughter
Margaret in Aug 1832, which gave her birth date as 3 July 1832. She is
recorded as the daughter of David Amos.
As to the name being misspelled, I admit to being baffled at first. The
variations probably look and sound different to me being born in the U.S.
than they do to someone born in Wales. It's just difficult to evaluate
records before 1841, as the inconsistency started before that and there are
no GRO records to support one possibility over another.
So here are the family members with recorded names in parentheses. I'll
stop with the generation born in Wales, as I have the U.S. families well
documented. Where I have complete dates, it means I have a GRO certificate
for the event unless otherwise noted. I don't know if any of the couples
had children who were born and died between the censuses. William and
Thomas are the only ones who emigrated; Births after 1881 are in the U.S,
where birth records are more scarce
1 David m Martha Rees, 30 Jan 1832
2 Margaret (Amos), 3 July 1832 - 14 July 1846 (Amos)
2 William, 22 Dec 1834 (U.S. naturalization papers) - 25 May 1905 U.S.
m Mary Davies 14 Nov 1867 (Amos)
3 David abt 1859 - 15 Mar 1860 (Hammonds)
3 Maria 1861 - ? U.S.
m Maurice Morgan as Amos, 23 Feb 1879
4 Thomas, 1879
4 William, Nov 1881
4 Evan, Mar 1884
4 Benjamin, Jul 1886
4 Margaret, Sep 1890
4 Mary, Mar 1894
4 David, Nov 1896
4 Arthur, Oct 1899
3 Gwilym (Hammonds), 23 Dec 1861 - bef 2 Apr 1830 U.S.
m Eleanor/Ellen Gittings
4 William David, 26 Mar 1879
4 John, 1883
4 Henry, Jul 1885 - 5 Oct 1931
4 Brinley, May 1889
4 Stanley, Feb 1893
4 Arthur, Jan 1896
4 Margaret, 23 Oct 1898
4 Eleanor, 1909
3 Mary Jane (Hammons), 22 Apr 1866
m Edward Davies
3 Benjamin
3 Margaret Ann
3 Henry
3 Elizabeth
2 Thomas (Hammonds), 14 March 1840 - 29 Jan 1913 U.S.
m Mary Blackmore as Amos 8 Jul 1861
3 Mary Jane, Dec 1861
3 Martha (Hemus), 23 May 1870
3 Margaret (Hemus), 2 May 1872
3 Miriam(Hammonds), 18 Oct 1874 - 27 Jul 1882
3 Margaret Ann (Hamonds), 21 Oct 1876
3 Maria (Amos), 16 Oct 1878
3 Benjamin (Amos), 22 Mar 1880
3 Rees, Dec 1882
3 William, Sep 1884 - 1958
2 Charles (Hammonds), 19 Apr 1843 - 25 Aug 1858 (Amos)
2 Margaret (Amos). 31 Oct 1846 - 22 Feb 1922 Wales
m Watkin Morgan
3 John
3 David
3 Hannah
4 Clifford, 1901 Wales
3 Alice
3 unknown 1
3 unknown 2
2 John (Hammonds), 2 Mar 1850 - 1892 Wales
m Jane Martin
3 Mary Jane
3 William J
3 Arthur
2 Mary (Hammos) 15 Feb 1853
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Jill Muir <jill(a)shottle.plus.com> wrote:
> Hello Margaret,
> You haven't told us who David married in 1832 at St. Tudor's Mynyddyslwyn,
> Monmouthshire, nor do we have the name of his first child. Both of these
> names would help us to help you find your David.
>
> Has it occurred to you that the surname HAMMONS in the 1841census is
> probably just an error of spelling?
>
> What census did you start with? Where did you get the information from?
> What are the b/m/d details of your Great Grandfather? Whom did he marry?
> Do you have any Birth, Marriage and Death certificates to back up your
> research?
>
> Hoping to help a little,
>
> My best wishes, Jill
> Photographs of Welsh Chapels and Churches
> http://www.welshchapelsandchurches.org/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: powys-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
> Behalf Of Peggy Sue
> Sent: 15 April 2013 02:14
> To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [POWYS] Roll Call HAMON / AMOS
>
> Hello List,
>
> My GGG-grandfather David Hamon was born abt 1809. In 1841 he is in the
> census in Monmouthshire and "was born in county." But the 1851 census,
> says he was born out of county. His parentage and place of origin is my
> current brick wall. My search is complicated by the fact that at least as
> early as 1832, with his marriage and the baptism of his first daughter, the
> family's name is recorded variously as Hamans, Amos, Ham(m)on(d)(s), Hemus,
> Hamos, and Hammos. The marriage took place at St. Tudor's Mynyddyslwyn,
> Mons. Subsequent census and birth records put them in various places in
> Mons, ending with Tredegar.
>
> Many years ago, an uncle told me the family name was originally Hamon and
> that we came into Wales from Scotland, fleeing religious persecution.
> Without knowing whether or when they may have emigrated to Wales, it's
> difficult to say which form of persecution was being applied. For
> instance, I've learned that Presbyterianism was the Scottish state
> religion, so Anglicans were not the established group. For no good
> reason, I thought that if David wasn't born in Mons, the most logical place
> to look was Breconshire. Alas, no luck so far.
>
> My particular search complications stem from the fact that there are whole
> families named Amos and Hammon(d)(s) that have nothing to do with mine and
> whose name doesn't mutated at every possible opportunity. I have had to
> purchase birth and marriage certificates for David's children and his son's
> children to ensure they were the "right" people. Thank goodness the
> mothers' maiden names are on the birth certificates and the father's on the
> marriages.
>
> If anyone has any insights on David's possible origins, emigration from
> Scotland to Wales, or anything else, I would be grateful to hear them.
>
> Hope springs eternal, ;-)
> Margaret
> New Jersey, USA
>
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>
>
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Luzerne County, Pennsylvania: AMOS, CHARLES, DAVIES, FISHER, HENRY, PRICE,
RAUGH/ROUGH, REESE, WAGNER
Brecknockshire (Breconshire): HAMON (?)
Monmouthshire: AMOS/HAMON, REES
Glamorganshire: DAVIS/DAVIES, COLLINS (also Ireland), REESE
Cardiganshire: GRIFFITHS, THOMAS
Holland and Germany: UPDYKE, DIETRICH, GRANTZ
Dear John and listers
I have several families in Brecon and Montgomeryshire and have come up against the inevitable brick walls.
The BEVAN family from Llanafanfawr.
Thanks to Richard Meredith, I was directed to, and have enjoyed seeing, the records at Llanafan, the earliest being the marriage of James Bevan to Eleanor daughter of John Pugh on 7th February 1729/30. So far and no further. There were several clusters of Bevans across the region, and I would so like to know where James came from.
James Bevan's grandson was christened Ebenezer. He was baptised in March 1795 in Llangamarch. He had six children with three partners but after 1824, he disappears. I have no idea where or when he died. He may have changed or shortened his name
The WILLIAMS family from Aber Llanvigan.
Richard Williams, (born 19th January 1821 - his family Bible) was the son of Thomas (Richard's Marriage Certificate 1850) Tyler, and Elizabeth (Census 1851), Richard always recorded his birthplace as Battle and there is a record of a marriage of Thomas Williams and Elizabeth Price there in 1811. They had a daughter Nesty baptised 25th March 1817, Thomas being described as a Tyler living in Battle Village. I know Richard's parents had a daughter Agnes, born March 1816 (Family Bible). I can find no record of Richard's birth or baptism in parish records, nor of other siblings. I believe that some, at least, of the family later joined the Independents and, judging by writings in hymn books etc, they lived in Aber Llanvigan. However, there are numerous couples with identical names in the area at this time.
Then there is the mystery of Jeremiah, born about 1812, a tyler, who married at Llanfihangel Nant Bran in 1834. My family has his bible and I have many books with his autograph. One son Thomas survived till at least 1841. The second son Joseph was born and died in 1844. In 1856, Jeremiah recorded that he was tee-total. There is no local sighting of the family after that. One might think the name would be easy to trace! Possibly they ended in St Woolos, Newport.
The DAVIES family from Llanwddyn
Thomas Davies, born in Llanwddyn in 1799 and Elizabeth Evans were the parents of my great grandfather Josiah Davies. The only record I have found for their marriage is for 1822 at Llanrhaeadr ym Mochnant. Their daughter Elizabeth was baptised there the same year. If it is the same couple who moved to Llanwddyn, there is a gap of eight years before the next child. This seems a bit unlikely but not impossible.
Glenys (Travis)