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Thank you to Aidan for that remarkably fast, completely comprehensive and informative response - exactly the quality of reliable expertise I have come to expect from contributors to the Powys List; and thank you to Martin for his valid question that opened the possibility for the truth of a public statement to be tested. Australians have been fed official misinformation for a couple of centuries, so I'm a born "questioner" myself, Martin.
We have a history of European occupation in Australia that only started 222 years ago, so it wouldn't seem like a daunting proposition to be familiar with every part of it; however, our history has been mostly deliberately distorted by official policy and obliterated by ancestors protecting themselves and families against the dreaded 'convict stain'.
The 'convict spawn', as the ruling powers, both official and civil, regarded ensuing generations, are finally unravelling the truth of their ancestors' contribution to this nation and attempting to acknowledge their pioneer history, so their future generations will have their own ancestral history returned, regardless of unpalatable truths.
The Powys List has been my first live interaction with a part of my own connection to Wales and I have found the expertise, interest and general knowledge of all things historic, cultural and topographical, across all walks of Welsh life, to be inspirational.
Thanks yet again, Powys List.
Kind regards,
Dawn Stanton (Tasmania)
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From: "Martin Hughes" <martinhughes8(a)gmail.com>
To: <powys(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [POWYS] Cambrian Newspaper
> Was this really the first English language newspaper in Wales?
You mean the first English language newspaper PUBLISHED in Wales? Yes,
apparently it was - as is confirmed by the Welsh Academy's recent
'Encyclopaedia of Wales' [2008].
The 'Cambrian' was started as a Swansea-based weekly in 1804, and it was
soon followed by other weeklies such as the 'North Wales Gazette' (Bangor,
1808) and the 'Carmarthen Journal' (1810). The first regular Welsh language
newspaper was 'Seren Gomer', launched in 1814 - also in Swansea.
There had of course previously been other types of Welsh periodical -
mainly of a radical or religious character. The earliest in the Welsh
language, 'Tlysau yr Hen Oesoedd', was printed in Holyhead in 1735, but it
lasted only a single issue and nothing else was attempted until the 1770s.
The earliest English language periodical to be published in Wales was the
'Cambrian Magazine', launched in Llandovery in 1773.
AJ
Hello Listers,
Stumbled on something by accident, that might be of interest to other overseas Listers like me, searching Welsh roots.
Swansea Central Library offers a FREE online search of the Catalogue index of The Cambrian Newspaper. The Cambrian was the first English language newspaper to be published in Wales from 1804 - 1930. Although published in Glamorgan, I found information about my ancestor's removal from Breconshire Gaol for Transportation in 1833, that I couldn't find in Brecon after intensive searching.
Swansea Library also offers a paid service for copies of original articles as indexed, plus postage (very reasonable rates).
A terrific service - I couldn't believe my luck. Hope it helps someone else.
Here's how to find it ...
Cambrian Index Online - City and County of Swansea
Kind regards,
Dawn Stanton (Tasmania)
Was this really the first English language newspaper in Wales?
Martin J Hughes
Trem Siriol, 29 Heol y Bryn, Harlech, Gwynedd. LL46 2TU.
Telephone: 01766 781290 Mobile: 0778 711 2649
Email: martinhughes8(a)gmail.com
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From: powys-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of ann bryan
Sent: 22 July 2010 18:57
To: POWYS(a)rootsweb.com; powys(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POWYS] Cambrian Newspaper
Thank you for that Dawn. I have bookmarked that for another day!
Ann.
--- On Thu, 22/7/10, D & H Stanton <dandh(a)intas.net.au> wrote:
From: D & H Stanton <dandh(a)intas.net.au>
Subject: [POWYS] Cambrian Newspaper
To: POWYS(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Thursday, 22 July, 2010, 15:08
Hello Listers,
Stumbled on something by accident, that might be of interest to other
overseas Listers like me, searching Welsh roots.
Swansea Central Library offers a FREE online search of the Catalogue index
of The Cambrian Newspaper. The Cambrian was the first English language
newspaper to be published in Wales from 1804 - 1930. Although published in
Glamorgan, I found information about my ancestor's removal from Breconshire
Gaol for Transportation in 1833, that I couldn't find in Brecon after
intensive searching.
Swansea Library also offers a paid service for copies of original articles
as indexed, plus postage (very reasonable rates).
A terrific service - I couldn't believe my luck. Hope it helps someone else.
Here's how to find it ...
Cambrian Index Online - City and County of Swansea
Kind regards,
Dawn Stanton (Tasmania)
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Hi Dawn
I agree with you. It is surprising what has been reported in this
newspaper. Some years ago I found details of an ancestors death in 1832 and he
lived near Hay on Wye. Also details of a marriage in Abergavenny in
1840 of another distant relatative. Good hunting
Pam
That's fantastic! Thanks so much. I was not aware of that wonderful
web site, let alone that page of it. That is certainly the right man
(I already have a copy of the will referred to), and confirms Ruth's
theory about it being Monmouthshire (thanks Ruth for the suggestion).
It's given me not only what I was looking for but also his wife's
ancestry for several generations and some additional places to find
out about - and already leads me to another question.
There is a reference (on a linked page) to John Roberts of Vanner. I
have found a Vaynor Park in Montgomeryshire and a Vaynor near Merthyr
Tydfil. Would either of these be likely, or is/was there a place
called Vanner?
Jim Fisher
On 21 Jul 2010 at 19:53, Alison Bryan wrote:
> You mean him:
> http://wbo.llgc.org.uk/en/s-GRYF-JAS-1614.html
>
> Alison
>
> On 21 July 2010 19:44, Jim Fisher <ejf(a)jimella.co.uk> wrote:
> > I've just joined this list in the hope that someone with greater
> > knowledge of Montgomeryshire than me can help, please. I've been
> > told that the book "The Dictionary of Welsh Biography" includes the
> > statement that my distant ancestor Jasper (ap) Gruffudd, who was
> > born in Guilsfield and was vicar of Hinckley, Leicestershire from
> > 1601 until his death in 1614, was from 1597-1601 rector of the
> > parish of Longstone, Montgomeryshire. I can find no trace of such a
> > place.
> >
> > I've tried the GENUKI list of parishes and several maps, including
> > one large scale (none that old though) and I've tried looking for
> > names that could translate from Welsh to mean Longstone, but with no
> > success.
> >
> > Can anyone tell me if there ever was or is such a place, and if so
> > where it is/was located, please, or make any other suggestions?
> >
> > Jim Fisher
> >
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You mean him:
http://wbo.llgc.org.uk/en/s-GRYF-JAS-1614.html
Alison
On 21 July 2010 19:44, Jim Fisher <ejf(a)jimella.co.uk> wrote:
> I've just joined this list in the hope that someone with greater
> knowledge of Montgomeryshire than me can help, please. I've been told
> that the book "The Dictionary of Welsh Biography" includes the
> statement that my distant ancestor Jasper (ap) Gruffudd, who was born
> in Guilsfield and was vicar of Hinckley, Leicestershire from 1601
> until his death in 1614, was from 1597-1601 rector of the parish of
> Longstone, Montgomeryshire. I can find no trace of such a place.
>
> I've tried the GENUKI list of parishes and several maps, including
> one
> large scale (none that old though) and I've tried looking for names
> that could translate from Welsh to mean Longstone, but with no
> success.
>
> Can anyone tell me if there ever was or is such a place, and if so
> where it is/was located, please, or make any other suggestions?
>
> Jim Fisher
>
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I've just joined this list in the hope that someone with greater
knowledge of Montgomeryshire than me can help, please. I've been told
that the book "The Dictionary of Welsh Biography" includes the
statement that my distant ancestor Jasper (ap) Gruffudd, who was born
in Guilsfield and was vicar of Hinckley, Leicestershire from 1601
until his death in 1614, was from 1597-1601 rector of the parish of
Longstone, Montgomeryshire. I can find no trace of such a place.
I've tried the GENUKI list of parishes and several maps, including
one
large scale (none that old though) and I've tried looking for names
that could translate from Welsh to mean Longstone, but with no
success.
Can anyone tell me if there ever was or is such a place, and if so
where it is/was located, please, or make any other suggestions?
Jim Fisher
We've been told the cost of the census is £400m+.
What we've not been told is the cost of the alternatives proposed - which we
need to know to have a meaningful discussion.
I'd certainly be sad to see the end of the 10 year census.
Best wishes
Martin
Martin J Hughes
Trem Siriol, 29 Heol y Bryn, Harlech, Gwynedd. LL46 2TU.
Telephone: 01766 781290 Mobile: 0778 711 2649
Email: martinhughes8(a)gmail.com
-----Original Message-----
From: powys-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of T Lewis
Sent: 20 July 2010 11:45
To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POWYS] 2011 - the last census?
I do apologise as I very rarely post on the list, gave myself a break from
research to do other things. But still read every day though. I am on
other lists and in fact found that one can't remember which, stated that the
topic was closed as it was irrelevant to the family history research. Was
rather surprised as to me this is very relevant to our research. Sadly with
one of my family they decided not to have their name or his family down on
census, not sure where he hid himself but have never found them.
What other way is there to do this head counting, apart from the BMD's.
Which is not really going to tell us very much. I feel sad for those coming
after me as I am hitting 60 so the next census to be launched will probably
be past my sell by date. But the past census have been very helpful to me
not only for confirmation of offspring but also for places of birth. They
say it is too costly, but in what way I would like to know. Is it local
councils who are responsible solely for the inputing of the details into
books, or onto computers nowadays. We have the electoral roll, but all to
often nowadays people are opting not to have their details exposed. Perhaps
those that look after the electoral roll, could put the census onto
computers straight away. That way there would be no need for transcribers
in later years.
Sorry for waffling, but those are just my thoughts on the subject.
Tricia
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Ball" <john(a)jlb2005.plus.com>
To: "Powys List" <powys(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 9:14 AM
Subject: [POWYS] 2011 - the last census?
> Dear Listers,
>
> A few days ago, fellow Powys List member Margaret Harvey drew my attention
> to a news item cautioning that the 2011 Census may be the last census to
> be
> held in the UK. While this topic has been discussed on a number of other
> mailing lists, it has not previously been mentioned on our List.
>
> The news item is described in detail in an article on the Daily Telegraph
> website:
> http://tinyurl.com/32982aq
>
> I quote from the article:
> ----------------
> The Census, the official population count carried out by the Government,
> is
> to be scrapped after more than 200 years, The Daily Telegraph can
> disclose.
> Francis Maude, the Cabinet Office minister, said the Census, which takes
> place every 10 years, was an expensive and inaccurate way of measuring the
> number of people in Britain.
> Instead, the Government is examining different and cheaper ways to count
> the
> population more regularly, using existing public and private databases,
> including credit reference agencies.
> -----------------
>
> All genealogists should be concerned about this proposal, which would have
> serious consequences for family history research in future generations.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
> John
>
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Hello Gareth,
Thank you for your kindness in helping me. Yesterday I ploughed through
your databases, as for one thing, putting Dylais Higher into Google, brings
up your website - hmm only yours too. ;-)) Very helpful and a website I
always go to, to seek information on a given Welsh subject. I can't say this
about all Genuki sites. The one for Wales is outstanding.
I did appreciate an extra link from you though, being the Seven Sisters
site, http://www.cefnpennar.com/ssisters/
Also the Google map where chapels were listed - I didn't see that yesterday.
I got immersed in your excellent detail on John HICKS.
If ONLY I had written down exactly what I was told by my mother's cousin who
knew this family well and knew all the cousins names, occupations etc., I
was very new to family history then, just 40 years ago - and of course the
said cousin isn't with us any longer.
I am going to go through my records again and check all I know of this
elusive family and try to discover by my new research, if my first was
correct.
Thank you Gareth for the help.
Kind regards,
Jill
http://www.kingston-bagpuize.com
- an online history of Kingston Bagpuize & area.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gareth [mailto:tirbach@clara.co.uk]
Sent: 21 July 2010 15:01
To: Jill Muir; powys(a)rootsweb.com
Cc: GLAMORGAN(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [GLA] [POWYS] John JONES=Gwenllian CURTIS
Hi Jill
The Kain/Oliver parish map shows the extent of Dylas Higher hamlet, and the
larger villages within its boundaries include Seven Sisters, Crynant and
Onllwyn.
Seven Sisters has a modern church listed under Church Records on the Genuki
parish page.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/CadoxtonJuxtaNeath/#ChurchRecords
And of course chapels will be listed on the chapels database page
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/CadoxtonJuxtaNeath/Chapels.html
Don't forget the cefnpennar site for Seven Sisters
http://www.cefnpennar.com/ssisters/
Hope I'm not leading you up the garden path :-)
Gareth
Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/
Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html
Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html
Can anyone tell me which church would have covered Dylais
Higher, Cadoxton juxta Neath please?
Kind regards,
Jill
http://www.kingston-bagpuize.com
- an online history of Kingston Bagpuize & area.
-----Original Message-----
From: glamorgan-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of Jill Muir
Sent: 21 July 2010 14:28
To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
Cc: GLAMORGAN(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [GLA] [POWYS] John JONES=Gwenllian CURTIS
Hello again,
Is there a Powys marriage or and baptismal index please?
Kind regards,
Jill
http://www.kingston-bagpuize.com
- an online history of Kingston Bagpuize & area.
-----Original Message-----
From: powys-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of Jill Muir
Sent: 20 July 2010 15:44
To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
Cc: GLAMORGAN(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [POWYS] John JONES=Gwenllian CURTIS
I am writing to the list about my very big brick wall. I do hope that
someone can help me. Fresh eyes of people on the lists since I have last
asked about this.
My great grandfather William JONES was born 18 July 1840 at 'Brynmig' Dylais
Higher, Cadoxton juxta Neath. His father John JONES was a farmer at that
time and his mother was Gwenllian CURTIS.
I have the census data for this family, and the death certificate of both
parents. His father John died 26 April 1869 at Craig y Forest, Cilybebyll,
Cadoxton. aged 64 now a general labourer [ he had been a woodward at his
son's marriage and on a census]
His mother Gwenllian JONES, died 1st June 1887 at Ynisymudw, Llanguick,
Pontardawe aged 78 the widow of John Jones labourer. The informant was her
son Jenkin JONES in attendance at Ynisymudw, Llanguick, Pontardawe.
I cannot find the birth certificates of great grandfather William JONES
other siblings. These were Morgan, Jenkin, Rees, Mary and John. It looks
from census, as if Morgan remained a bachelor.
The marriage of the parents John JONES=Gwenllian CURTIS possibly took place
about 1836 when son Morgan was born.
I have searched for years for this information, had a message in the local
newspaper, all to no avail. Family lore told of Rees working or owning a
pub. That John worked as a school caretaker.
Have looked at Polling District MM Alltygrug Ward [PT] Post Town Ystalyfera,
Swansea and found a Rees Jones 322 R O 25 Canal Tce.,Annie Jones 321
Also at
25 Canal Tce., are Brazell Stan Fleming
25 Canal Tce.Brazell Mary Eunice
25 Canal Tce.,Found Stanley on 1901 2 months old.[RG13/5064/folio 141
verso/ page20] Standley [sic] Fleming BRAZELL is a few months old and living
Nr Pant[l]eg Chapel,Ystlayfera, Alltygrug. His father John is a
Tinplateworker.and his Birth Mar Qtr 1901-Brazell Stanley Fleming
Pontardawe 11a 983
I mention the Brazell family as they with the Jones' attended my great
aunt's funeral in 1936 Rhondda. My great aunt, was John JONES and Gwenllian
Curtis, grand-daughter.
I have often wondered if they married in Breconshire, and so I ask for your
kind help over this.
I apologise for the length of this request.
Kind regards,
Jill
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Hello Tricia,
I feel sure that your relatives could not have evaded the electoral roll in
the past. Discover what dates these cover and where they are for your
particular family. Maybe you could 'catch' them this way.
People change their name for various reasons, and often on census forms. In
our family we have a Bilson running away with the lodger whose surname was
Abrahart. In the next census they are shown as Bilson, in the next Hart and
then in the next, by her maiden name of Hancock.
We would never have found them, if it hadn't been for the internet. So keep
hunting and using your cunning, and see if you can spot them again. By the
way, please forget your age, I am very much older than you are, and I look
forward to the next census.
Kind regards,
Jill
http://www.kingston-bagpuize.com
- an online history of Kingston Bagpuize & area.
-----Original Message-----
From: powys-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of T Lewis
Sent: 20 July 2010 11:45
To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POWYS] 2011 - the last census?
I do apologise as I very rarely post on the list, gave myself a break from
research to do other things. But still read every day though. I am on
other lists and in fact found that one can't remember which, stated that the
topic was closed as it was irrelevant to the family history research. Was
rather surprised as to me this is very relevant to our research. Sadly with
one of my family they decided not to have their name or his family down on
census, not sure where he hid himself but have never found them.
What other way is there to do this head counting, apart from the BMD's.
Which is not really going to tell us very much. I feel sad for those coming
after me as I am hitting 60 so the next census to be launched will probably
be past my sell by date. But the past census have been very helpful to me
not only for confirmation of offspring but also for places of birth. They
say it is too costly, but in what way I would like to know. Is it local
councils who are responsible solely for the inputing of the details into
books, or onto computers nowadays. We have the electoral roll, but all to
often nowadays people are opting not to have their details exposed. Perhaps
those that look after the electoral roll, could put the census onto
computers straight away. That way there would be no need for transcribers
in later years.
Sorry for waffling, but those are just my thoughts on the subject.
Tricia
How fantastic to make such a marvelous find for Jim...
-----Original Message-----
From: powys-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of Alison Bryan
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 11:53 AM
To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POWYS] Longstone, Montgomeryshire
You mean him:
http://wbo.llgc.org.uk/en/s-GRYF-JAS-1614.html
Alison
On 21 July 2010 19:44, Jim Fisher <ejf(a)jimella.co.uk> wrote:
> I've just joined this list in the hope that someone with greater
> knowledge of Montgomeryshire than me can help, please. I've been told
> that the book "The Dictionary of Welsh Biography" includes the
> statement that my distant ancestor Jasper (ap) Gruffudd, who was born
> in Guilsfield and was vicar of Hinckley, Leicestershire from 1601
> until his death in 1614, was from 1597-1601 rector of the parish of
> Longstone, Montgomeryshire. I can find no trace of such a place.
>
> I've tried the GENUKI list of parishes and several maps, including
> one
> large scale (none that old though) and I've tried looking for names
> that could translate from Welsh to mean Longstone, but with no
> success.
>
> Can anyone tell me if there ever was or is such a place, and if so
> where it is/was located, please, or make any other suggestions?
>
> Jim Fisher
>
>
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Hi,
I don't know how relevant this is but my wife's grandfather, John Pritchard of
Cefncalonog, Clun married his first wife, Hannah Hudson of Black Mountain Farm,
from Duffryn Farm near Clun in 1892. Duffryn Farm was at that point owned by
John's uncle, William Pritchard. Working at Duffryn with John were William
Hamar and William Evans. A certain Moses Harmar was a witness to John's
wedding. They were married in Bettws-y-crwyn Parish Church. John's wife,
Hannah Pritchard sadly died after giving birth to two boys and a girl. The baby
girl was fostered by an Evans and his wife living close by Duffryn. She is
thought to have married into the Hartley "Jam" family of Cheshire. She is
reported as taking with her John's Family Bible.
John moved down to Dowlais after his wife died and he had seen to his small
family being fostered. In 1902, he married Charlotte Matilda Axhorn in the
Register Office, Merthyr Tydfil. They had another ten or eleven children.
John sadly died in 1941 in Dowlais and is buried at St John's Churchyard,
Dowlais.
John kept in touch with his small family with the result that Bill and Des
Daniel, his grandsons by his second marriage were evacuees to John's first son
at the Cabin, Cefncalonog, Clun, in 1941.
from Bob Davies
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From: "Lewis Patricia" <trishlewis(a)accesscable.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:26 PM
To: <POWYS(a)rootsweb.com>; <Shrewsbury(a)rootsweb.com>
Subject: JOHNSON / DAVIES / EVANS / HAMER
I'm searching for information on the following people:
Doctor Doreen DAVIES, was born in 1920. She became a doctor, specializing
In anesthesiology and as of 1957 was an anesthesiologist at Shrewsbury. By
1980 I think she was living in Llandrindod Wells, Powys, Wales. She also
Had a sister Diana who was a housing manager. They were the daughters of
Daisy JOHNSON who was married to T.P. DAVIES a chemist. I think both Doreen
And Diana probably ended up in Llandrindod in their later years.
Also looking for their cousin Joan Monk EVANS who was born in 1910. She was
Unmarried, and I believe passed away in the past DECade. She lived with her
Mother Jessie HAMAR-EVANS at Llandrindod Wells. Joan was engaged driving a
Mobile library throughout Radnorshire, and was the owner of Duffryn Farm in
Shropshire, near Clun, the farm once owned by her great-grandfather, Richard
HAMAR.
These ladies were the cousins of my great grand 1/2 uncle James Nathaniel
HAMER and also of my great grand uncle Carleton's wife Adelaide HAMER and
Her children Kathleen StClair SMITH, Dorothy Carleton SMITH and Carleton
Beavan SMITH.
I'm hoping that Doreen & Diana may still be living, and might be able to
Help me with information on my grandmother's family. There is one mystery
In the family that I would love to solve.
Should anyone have any info on these families, I would be so appreciative of
whatever info I can get.
Thank you.
Trish LEWIS
Cole Harbour
Nova Scotia
Canada
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:27:13 -0400
From: Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [POWYS] JOHNSON / DAVIES / EVANS / HAMER
To: powys(a)rootsweb.com, trishlewis(a)accesscable.net
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I hope this helps
Name: Joan Monks Evans
Birth Date: 1 Jun 1911
Death Registration Month/Year: Aug 1990
Age at death (estimated): 79
Registration district: Mid Powys
Inferred County: Powys
Volume: 26
Page: 85
Eliz
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:19 PM, John Ball <john(a)jlb2005.plus.com> wrote:
> Message below forwarded on behalf of Trish Lewis
> <trishlewis(a)accesscable.net> who is not subscribed to the Powys List under
> this address.
> John Ball
> List Administrator
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Lewis Patricia" <trishlewis(a)accesscable.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:26 PM
> To: <POWYS(a)rootsweb.com>; <Shrewsbury(a)rootsweb.com>
> Subject: JOHNSON / DAVIES / EVANS / HAMER
>
>
> I'm searching for information on the following people:
>
> Doctor Doreen DAVIES, was born in 1920. She became a doctor, specializing
> In anesthesiology and as of 1957 was an anesthesiologist at Shrewsbury. By
> 1980 I think she was living in Llandrindod Wells, Powys, Wales. She also
> Had a sister Diana who was a housing manager. They were the daughters of
> Daisy JOHNSON who was married to T.P. DAVIES a chemist. I think both Doreen
> And Diana probably ended up in Llandrindod in their later years.
>
> Also looking for their cousin Joan Monk EVANS who was born in 1910. She was
> Unmarried, and I believe passed away in the past DECade. She lived with her
> Mother Jessie HAMAR-EVANS at Llandrindod Wells. Joan was engaged driving a
> Mobile library throughout Radnorshire, and was the owner of Duffryn Farm in
> Shropshire, near Clun, the farm once owned by her great-grandfather, Richard
> HAMAR.
>
> These ladies were the cousins of my great grand 1/2 uncle James Nathaniel
> HAMER and also of my great grand uncle Carleton's wife Adelaide HAMER and
> Her children Kathleen StClair SMITH, Dorothy Carleton SMITH and Carleton
> Beavan SMITH.
>
> I'm hoping that Doreen & Diana may still be living, and might be able to
> Help me with information on my grandmother's family. There is one mystery
> In the family that I would love to solve.
>
> Should anyone have any info on these families, I would be so appreciative of
> whatever info I can get.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Trish LEWIS
> Cole Harbour
> Nova Scotia
> Canada
Message below forwarded on behalf of Trish Lewis
<trishlewis(a)accesscable.net> who is not subscribed to the Powys List under
this address.
John Ball
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From: "Lewis Patricia" <trishlewis(a)accesscable.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:26 PM
To: <POWYS(a)rootsweb.com>; <Shrewsbury(a)rootsweb.com>
Subject: JOHNSON / DAVIES / EVANS / HAMER
I'm searching for information on the following people:
Doctor Doreen DAVIES, was born in 1920. She became a doctor, specializing
In anesthesiology and as of 1957 was an anesthesiologist at Shrewsbury. By
1980 I think she was living in Llandrindod Wells, Powys, Wales. She also
Had a sister Diana who was a housing manager. They were the daughters of
Daisy JOHNSON who was married to T.P. DAVIES a chemist. I think both Doreen
And Diana probably ended up in Llandrindod in their later years.
Also looking for their cousin Joan Monk EVANS who was born in 1910. She was
Unmarried, and I believe passed away in the past DECade. She lived with her
Mother Jessie HAMAR-EVANS at Llandrindod Wells. Joan was engaged driving a
Mobile library throughout Radnorshire, and was the owner of Duffryn Farm in
Shropshire, near Clun, the farm once owned by her great-grandfather, Richard
HAMAR.
These ladies were the cousins of my great grand 1/2 uncle James Nathaniel
HAMER and also of my great grand uncle Carleton's wife Adelaide HAMER and
Her children Kathleen StClair SMITH, Dorothy Carleton SMITH and Carleton
Beavan SMITH.
I'm hoping that Doreen & Diana may still be living, and might be able to
Help me with information on my grandmother's family. There is one mystery
In the family that I would love to solve.
Should anyone have any info on these families, I would be so appreciative of
whatever info I can get.
Thank you.
Trish LEWIS
Cole Harbour
Nova Scotia
Canada
I am writing to the list about my very big brick wall. I do hope that
someone can help me. Fresh eyes of people on the lists since I have last
asked about this.
My great grandfather William JONES was born 18 July 1840 at 'Brynmig' Dylais
Higher, Cadoxton juxta Neath. His father John JONES was a farmer at that
time and his mother was Gwenllian CURTIS.
I have the census data for this family, and the death certificate of both
parents. His father John died 26 April 1869 at Craig y Forest, Cilybebyll,
Cadoxton. aged 64 now a general labourer [ he had been a woodward at his
son's marriage and on a census]
His mother Gwenllian JONES, died 1st June 1887 at Ynisymudw, Llanguick,
Pontardawe aged 78 the widow of John Jones labourer. The informant was her
son Jenkin JONES in attendance at Ynisymudw, Llanguick, Pontardawe.
I cannot find the birth certificates of great grandfather William JONES
other siblings. These were Morgan, Jenkin, Rees, Mary and John. It looks
from census, as if Morgan remained a bachelor.
The marriage of the parents John JONES=Gwenllian CURTIS possibly took place
about 1836 when son Morgan was born.
I have searched for years for this information, had a message in the local
newspaper, all to no avail. Family lore told of Rees working or owning a
pub. That John worked as a school caretaker.
Have looked at Polling District MM Alltygrug Ward [PT] Post Town Ystalyfera,
Swansea and found a Rees Jones 322 R O 25 Canal Tce.,Annie Jones 321
Also at
25 Canal Tce., are Brazell Stan Fleming
25 Canal Tce.Brazell Mary Eunice
25 Canal Tce.,Found Stanley on 1901 2 months old.[RG13/5064/folio 141
verso/ page20] Standley [sic] Fleming BRAZELL is a few months old and living
Nr Pant[l]eg Chapel,Ystlayfera, Alltygrug. His father John is a
Tinplateworker.and his Birth Mar Qtr 1901-Brazell Stanley Fleming
Pontardawe 11a 983
I mention the Brazell family as they with the Jones' attended my great
aunt's funeral in 1936 Rhondda. My great aunt, was John JONES and Gwenllian
Curtis, grand-daughter.
I have often wondered if they married in Breconshire, and so I ask for your
kind help over this.
I apologise for the length of this request.
Kind regards,
Jill
http://www.kingston-bagpuize.com
- an online history of Kingston Bagpuize & area.
Dear list
I have come accross a family farming at Nantymeichiaid, Meifod parish from 1871-1901 ( could be later of course) They moved there from Llandrillo yn Edeirnion (via Bache, Hirnant in 1861) Sometime between 1891 & 1901 the parents Robert and Elizabeth Evans died -possibly she died during the December quarter of 1900 - I did find an Elizabeth Evans ( born Corwen) age 96 registered at Llanfyllin (from Free BMD). Is that where they would have been registered? Their son Thomas remained farming Nantymeichiaid and his sister Dorothy Evans joined him there in 1901 census ( she wasn't recorded with the family after the 1851 census). Also at Nantymeichiaid there was a niece Margaret Elizabeth Jones born Meifod c1867 (recorded in the 1871 as grand daughter ). Where would they have been buried and are there any MI's recorded? If in a churchyard has anyone access to the parish records who could help me? A daughter Catherine born Llandrillo 1842 lived with them at Bache and another, Anne born Llandrillo 1845 was at Nantymeichiaid in 1871. Has any list member knowledge of this family?
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated
Angharad Williams
I do apologise as I very rarely post on the list, gave myself a break from
research to do other things. But still read every day though. I am on
other lists and in fact found that one can't remember which, stated that the
topic was closed as it was irrelevant to the family history research. Was
rather surprised as to me this is very relevant to our research. Sadly with
one of my family they decided not to have their name or his family down on
census, not sure where he hid himself but have never found them.
What other way is there to do this head counting, apart from the BMD's.
Which is not really going to tell us very much. I feel sad for those coming
after me as I am hitting 60 so the next census to be launched will probably
be past my sell by date. But the past census have been very helpful to me
not only for confirmation of offspring but also for places of birth. They
say it is too costly, but in what way I would like to know. Is it local
councils who are responsible solely for the inputing of the details into
books, or onto computers nowadays. We have the electoral roll, but all to
often nowadays people are opting not to have their details exposed. Perhaps
those that look after the electoral roll, could put the census onto
computers straight away. That way there would be no need for transcribers
in later years.
Sorry for waffling, but those are just my thoughts on the subject.
Tricia
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Ball" <john(a)jlb2005.plus.com>
To: "Powys List" <powys(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 9:14 AM
Subject: [POWYS] 2011 - the last census?
> Dear Listers,
>
> A few days ago, fellow Powys List member Margaret Harvey drew my attention
> to a news item cautioning that the 2011 Census may be the last census to
> be
> held in the UK. While this topic has been discussed on a number of other
> mailing lists, it has not previously been mentioned on our List.
>
> The news item is described in detail in an article on the Daily Telegraph
> website:
> http://tinyurl.com/32982aq
>
> I quote from the article:
> ----------------
> The Census, the official population count carried out by the Government,
> is
> to be scrapped after more than 200 years, The Daily Telegraph can
> disclose.
> Francis Maude, the Cabinet Office minister, said the Census, which takes
> place every 10 years, was an expensive and inaccurate way of measuring the
> number of people in Britain.
> Instead, the Government is examining different and cheaper ways to count
> the
> population more regularly, using existing public and private databases,
> including credit reference agencies.
> -----------------
>
> All genealogists should be concerned about this proposal, which would have
> serious consequences for family history research in future generations.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
> John
>
Dear Listers,
A few days ago, fellow Powys List member Margaret Harvey drew my attention
to a news item cautioning that the 2011 Census may be the last census to be
held in the UK. While this topic has been discussed on a number of other
mailing lists, it has not previously been mentioned on our List.
The news item is described in detail in an article on the Daily Telegraph
website:
http://tinyurl.com/32982aq
I quote from the article:
----------------
The Census, the official population count carried out by the Government, is
to be scrapped after more than 200 years, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.
Francis Maude, the Cabinet Office minister, said the Census, which takes
place every 10 years, was an expensive and inaccurate way of measuring the
number of people in Britain.
Instead, the Government is examining different and cheaper ways to count the
population more regularly, using existing public and private databases,
including credit reference agencies.
-----------------
All genealogists should be concerned about this proposal, which would have
serious consequences for family history research in future generations.
What do you think?
Kind regards,
John
--------------------
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From: "B&M Harvey" <bgh-mgh(a)teanstaffs.fsnet.co.uk>
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 10:07 PM
To: "John Ball" <john(a)jlb2005.plus.com>
Subject: Missing email
Hi John,
I have copied the missing email at the end of this one, I haven't seen any
correspondence on the lists I subscribe to about the possibility of the 2011
Census being the last one.
Thank you for copying my emails, it was an easy mistake to think that they
arrived with you from the Powys List and not direct. We have contacted
"fsnet" several times and never get a straight answer, they always blame the
recipient's ISP. I have a habit of sending emails to myself if I want to
remember something for the next day and even some of those have gone
missing. Brian keeps threatening to change our server however I am
reluctant as several times unknown distant relatives have contacted me after
finding my details in the Powys Archives.
Thanks again for your help, I hope this email arrives safely.
Regards,
Margaret
Hi John,
I received the following email this evening, it is the first I have heard
about the 2011 Census possibly being the last one. The censuses are a
wonderful source of information for researchers and it will be a shame for
future generations not having this facility.
Regards,
Margaret Harvey
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gordon A. Watts" <gordon_watts(a)telus.net>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 6:53 PM
Subject: [CAN-BC] 'Gordon Watts Reports' - new issue online
>
> Greetings All
>
> The latest issue of 'Gordon Watts Reports' is now online at
>
> http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/gazgw/gazgw-0122.htm
>
> Topics in this issue include the following:
>
> * Canadian government backing down on long-form census issue?
> *My letter to Industry Minister Tony Clement
> *Letter to my Member of Parliament
> *UK to scrap Census entirely?
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Gordon A. Watts
> Co-chair, Canada Census Committee
> Port Coquitlam, BC
>
> Permission to forward without notice is granted.
>
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>
I believe it is a licence condition of the suppliers of the online sources
rather than the National Library trying to be awkward that this condition of
living in Wales is placed on on-line registration.
Rhian
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Ball" <john(a)jlb2005.plus.com>
To: "Powys List" <powys(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [POWYS] New external resources at the National Library of Wales
> Message below forwarded to the List on behalf of Margaret Harvey, whose
> mailings are currently not getting through to the List
> John Ball
> List Administrator
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "B&M Harvey" <bgh-mgh(a)teanstaffs.fsnet.co.uk>
> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 11:34 AM
> To: <powys(a)rootsweb.com>
> Cc: "John Ball" <john(a)jlb2005.plus.com>
> Subject: Re: [POWYS] New external resources at the National Library of
> Wales
>
> Hi Nicola,
>
> I have just accessed the site and unfortunately to register on line for a
> reader's ticket one has to be resident in Wales and have a Welsh postcode.
> This seems such a shame as people who live outside the country have more
> difficulty visiting the NLW. I am really disappointed as I live in
> England
> although born in Wales and all my ancestors are Welsh.
>
> Regards,
>
> Margaret Harvey
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nicolabj" <nicolabj(a)waitrose.com>
> To: <powys(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 9:09 PM
> Subject: [POWYS] New external resources at the National Library of Wales
>
>
>>
>> I have just discovered that the National Library of Wales has added free
>> access to some external resources for people using a computer home who
>> have
>> a reader's ticket. This includes access to many 19th century newspapers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Go to www.llgc.org.uk, then catalogues, select external e-resources.
>>
>> Nicola BJ
>>
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