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Thanks for the suggestion. Mary
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From: powys-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of Shirley W. Vinall
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:52 AM
To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POWYS] BRE, Merthyr Cynog 1841
Googling 'Cwm eglir' produces details of a 2005 planning application for a
property of that name (with map reference) in Upper Chapel, which is near
Merthyr Cynog.
Shirley
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From: powys-bounces(a)rootsweb.com on behalf of Mary Davis
Sent: Wed 14/04/2010 15:36
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Subject: Re: [POWYS] BRE, Merthyr Cynog 1841
I would appreciate it if you know of a way to find the farm. A short time
ago, I think on this site someone wrote about some farms no longer in
operation. I will look for that reference. Thanks you. Mary
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Behalf Of susan ashton
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:42 AM
To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POWYS] BRE, Merthyr Cynog 1841
So glad I could help - I know how frustrating it is trying to find proof of
family particularly when its not easy to get to the local area. Even more so
when people changed their names or went by second or third christian names.
I would think Cwm Eglir is a farm (as David is listed as a farmer). I
think that when a place is mentioned in the records its usually the place
that the parents (in the case of a baptism) are living. I had this with a
member of my family and someone on the list kindly found a map with the
building actually on it (and named as such). If you would like I could try
and find this farm. I am assuming it was a farm) for you - no promises but
its worth a try. I will come back to you as soon as I can.
sue
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From: Mary Davis <marydavis.ala(a)comcast.net>
To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Wed, 14 April, 2010 3:27:31
Subject: Re: [POWYS] BRE, Merthyr Cynog 1841
Susan,
How quick and how kind of you. I think you have found my David.
In the 1861 census he was listed as David H. Davies. Family lore had his
middle name as Howell but I had no proof.
I just have a few more questions;
Is Cwm Elgir the name of the farm they live on?
Also, do you know, when they write in the church records 'Mary Davies of
Bailybryth', is that where Mary originated or the entire family?
Again, thank you for all your help.
Mary E. Davis
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I would appreciate it if you know of a way to find the farm. A short time
ago, I think on this site someone wrote about some farms no longer in
operation. I will look for that reference. Thanks you. Mary
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From: powys-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of susan ashton
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:42 AM
To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POWYS] BRE, Merthyr Cynog 1841
So glad I could help - I know how frustrating it is trying to find proof of
family particularly when its not easy to get to the local area. Even more so
when people changed their names or went by second or third christian names.
I would think Cwm Eglir is a farm (as David is listed as a farmer). I
think that when a place is mentioned in the records its usually the place
that the parents (in the case of a baptism) are living. I had this with a
member of my family and someone on the list kindly found a map with the
building actually on it (and named as such). If you would like I could try
and find this farm. I am assuming it was a farm) for you - no promises but
its worth a try. I will come back to you as soon as I can.
sue
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From: Mary Davis <marydavis.ala(a)comcast.net>
To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Wed, 14 April, 2010 3:27:31
Subject: Re: [POWYS] BRE, Merthyr Cynog 1841
Susan,
How quick and how kind of you. I think you have found my David.
In the 1861 census he was listed as David H. Davies. Family lore had his
middle name as Howell but I had no proof.
I just have a few more questions;
Is Cwm Elgir the name of the farm they live on?
Also, do you know, when they write in the church records 'Mary Davies of
Bailybryth', is that where Mary originated or the entire family?
Again, thank you for all your help.
Mary E. Davis
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Hi Gerwyn
Unfortunately MC Baptisms only begin at 1813 - IGI has earlier info taken from the Bishops Transcripts but baptisms before abt 1813 are recorded using the patronymic system - if you don't know the christian name of the father its almost impossible to find the children on IGI using the ordinary search mechanism. If you use Hugh Wallis's site (access via GENUKI) he has collected all the batch numbers for a great many churches enabling you to search each one individually. I did a transcription of quite a few of the MCynog record from this when I was searching for my own relatives. I have had a quick look at my list but can't see any Rogers.
Sue
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From: Gerwyn Little <glittle1954(a)btopenworld.com>
To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Tue, 13 April, 2010 20:35:24
Subject: Re: [POWYS] BRE, Merthyr Cynog 1841
Hi Sue.
Can I trouble you for a quick search of the Merthyr Cynog Baps for any
ROGERS 1780-1810.
I am currently still searching around Crickhowell and surrounding parish's
for this family to no avail, It's known that they had land in Merthyr Cynog.
Thanks
Gerwyn LITTLE
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Susan,
How quick and how kind of you. I think you have found my David.
In the 1861 census he was listed as David H. Davies. Family lore had his
middle name as Howell but I had no proof.
I just have a few more questions;
Is Cwm Elgir the name of the farm they live on?
Also, do you know, when they write in the church records 'Mary Davies of
Bailybryth', is that where Mary originated or the entire family?
Again, thank you for all your help.
Mary E. Davis
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Hello Mary
I have done a quick check of the Merthyr Cynog baptism register list for a David Davies born to a David and Mary around 1832/3 but I can't see one - there are only the following around the date you mentioned:-
8th September 1830 - David Davies, son of William Davies (labourer) and Margaret Davies of Blaengwy
7th August 1833 - David Davies, son of John Davies (farmer) and Mary Davies of Gelynen
and
7th March 1835 - David Davies, son of William Davies (taylor) and Margaret Davies of Cross Keys.
There is also a David Davies born to Roger Davies and Ann Davies (nee Williams) baptised at the Ebenezer Chapel in Upper Chapel, Merthyr Cynog on 17th December 1833 (born 2nd Dec 1833)
As far as the family you mention, I have found what appear to be baptisms for the other children of your David and Mary, but no David.
Mary Davies, daughter of David Davies and Mary Davies (nee Davies) of Cwm Eglir on 15th June 1833 at Ebenezer Chapel, Upper Chapel, Merthyr Cynog (born May 19th 1833)
Janet Davies, daughter of David Davies and Mary Davies (nee Davies) of Cwm Eglir on Jan 12th 1836 at Ebenezer Chapel, Upper Chapel, Merthyr Cynog (born 26th Dec 1835)
Howell Davies, son of David Davies (farmer) and Mary Davies of Cwm Eglir on 24th June 1841 at Merthyr Cynog parish church
Elizabeth Davies, daughter of David Davies (farmer) and Mary Davies of Cwm Eglir on 24th June 1841 at Merthyr Cynog parish church
(children were often baptised in groups)
There are a couple of other baptisms which might fit with your family altho they are living at a different address:-
Margaret Davies, daughter of David Davies (farmer) and Mary Davies of Presbeli on 27th December 1830 at Merthyr Cynog parish church
Mary Davies, daugher of David Davies (farmer) and Mary Davies of Bailbrith on 24th May 1831 at Merthyr Cynog parish church (She is listed in the MC burials as having died at aged 2yrs 11months on 7th May 1834)
Interestingly there is a baptism in the MC parish church records for a Howell Davies, son of David Davies (farmer) and Mary Davies of Bailybryth on 15th September 1833 - could this be David? (if we assume they are the same family and have another son Howell some years later)
I hope this hasn't confused you - if I can do more please let me know
Regards
Sue Ashton
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From: Mary Davis <marydavis.ala(a)comcast.net>
To: Powys(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Tue, 13 April, 2010 3:36:59
Subject: [POWYS] BRE, Merthyr Cynog 1841
I'm looking for the parents of David Davies born 1833 in Merthyr Cynog. He
is listed in the 1871 Census & 1861 Cap Coch, Aberdare, GLA and 1880 & 1885
US Nebraska census with different birth years but his headstone states 1833.
1841 Merthyr Cynog census which was taken in June 1841 has several families
with David Davies; one which has caught my eye is the family of David Davies
30, wife Mary 30, David 9, Margaret 11, Mary 8, Howell 11 mo and Elizabeth
2. This pattern of family names continue down my David's family line.
My problem is I don't know where to find a connection. Any help would be
appreciated.
Mary E. Davis
528 Thunderbird St. SE
Lacey, WA 98503-1549
Home Ph: 360-459-7468
Work Ph. 360-491-4373
Cell Ph. 360-870-7677
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I'm looking for the parents of David Davies born 1833 in Merthyr Cynog. He
is listed in the 1871 Census & 1861 Cap Coch, Aberdare, GLA and 1880 & 1885
US Nebraska census with different birth years but his headstone states 1833.
1841 Merthyr Cynog census which was taken in June 1841 has several families
with David Davies; one which has caught my eye is the family of David Davies
30, wife Mary 30, David 9, Margaret 11, Mary 8, Howell 11 mo and Elizabeth
2. This pattern of family names continue down my David's family line.
My problem is I don't know where to find a connection. Any help would be
appreciated.
Mary E. Davis
528 Thunderbird St. SE
Lacey, WA 98503-1549
Home Ph: 360-459-7468
Work Ph. 360-491-4373
Cell Ph. 360-870-7677
email: marydavis.ala(a)comcast.net
Malcohm,
The Pump House (Black & White) is still there, a short distance from the
Nags Head, Garthmyl on the Newtown side. I do not know of the Wern, however,
but many places have disappeared since the first world war.
Regards
Alun Evans
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Someone who would have known about any Chartist happenings at Llangattock
was the mineral agent who supervised the early 19th century quarrying
activities on the mountain, the farming at Hafod and also coal mining near
Brynmawr - Thomas Ellwood (1771-1850). After many years of good service he
finally retired in 1840, dying in King Street, Brynmawr, aged 78, on 6th
April 1850. Thomas Ellwood was buried four days later at Llanelly church,
where the service was conducted by Arthur Griffiths. I haven't yet found a
memorial stone which marks his grave but have had a good look around the
main churchyard. His father John made the first survey of the mountain's
longest-known cave, Eglwys Faen, in August 1818 - situated towards the
western end of the quarry faces, heading off in a direction towards the
Brecon Beacons, which are seen from where John lives.
Hello Clive
There is a slab for Thomas ELLWOOD and his wife, Mary, in Llanelly churchyard,
Plot B. 71, according to the MIs recorded by Dave Woolven & published by Gwent
FHS.
Text is "In mem. of Mary w/o Thomas Ellwood of this Parish who died April 21st
1840 aged 57 yrs. Also the said Thomas Ellwood died 6th April 1850 aged 78yrs"
There are maps on the fiche but I'm not able to print or copy them directly. If
I'm reading things correctly, the slab should be at the east end of the church
(opposite end to the tower), in the first row of graves along the outside of the
church. Grave number's run from B66 (REYNAULT surname) at the south of the row
(corner of the church) to B74 (THOMAS surname) at the north (again at about the
corner of the church).
Hope that helps.
Regards
Barbara Griffiths
Coventry UK (But whose PARRY ancestors lived & died in the border areas of HEF,
BRE & MON)
http://parryfamilyhistory.org.uk
This is most helpful in setting the scene, Martin. Thank you for your kind
help.
David Stick
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From: "Martin Hodgson-Brown" <martin(a)hodgson-brown.co.uk>
To: <powys(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [POWYS] A Stranger to Blaenavon
>I have a relative living at 17 Victoria Row in the 1871 census. The
> district description is ' Part of the parish of Llnawenarth comprising
> all of the cottages and houses situate as following, including the
> houses at the tunnel mouth, Quick Building, Victoria Row including
> Griffith Abraham's and George Castles's houses near Quick Building, and
> stable yard and River Row.'
>
>
> The tunnel entrance is probably the one through Blorenge to the
> Monmouthshire canal. and there is a stable yard just north of the old
> iron works. The Quick Building is now demolished. There is a report you
> can find at
>
> http://www.ggat.org.uk/cadw/historic_landscape/blaenavon/english/Blaenavo...
>
> One paragraph of which states
>
> 'Eighteenth century housing, now demolished, formerly included Bunker's
> Row, Quick Buildings, Stable Row, Staffordshire Row, Coaltar Row and
> houses on the east side of North Street. Other early houses included a
> row of back-to-back houses at Furnace Yard, demolished before 1880. The
> remains of early nineteenth century housing have faired little better,
> Upper Brick Yard houses and Little Quick buildings now demolished,
> though Limekiln Cottages, Osbourne Cottage and Tunnel Houses survive in
> a ruinous condition. West View Terrace (1911) is a surviving example of
> early 20th century improvements to the ageing housing stock of the area
> and replaced the 18th century Quick Buildings'.
>
> Martin HB
>
>
>
> On 09/04/2010 17:26, David Stick wrote:
>> The registered home of a relative of mine was recorded in her birth
>> record as being 11, Victoria Row, Blaenavon. I have been unable to find
>> it on Google Maps so I'm wondering if anyone can help with the location.
>> Thanks
>> David Stick
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In a village (Chalton in Hampshire) near where I live. The Pub is across
the road from the Church.
The story goes that when the workmen were gathered together to start
work on the church, there was no where for them to live, so, the Pub was
built first. The work men lived there while they worked on the Church.
Perhaps other building work on Churches had the same problems, and the
same solutions
John Ball wrote:
> Venita Roylance <venitar(a)mac.com> wrote:
> Just a note of fascinating interest, to me at least. When I visited Wales a
> few years ago, we began to notice that the village pub was never far from
> the parish church, often just across the street. After we picked up on
> that, we looked for them in every village we visited. When we found a
> particular church we looked around for the nearby pub. We were seldom
> disappointed. Has anyone else noticed the same thing? You've photographed
> hundreds of churches, John. Did you find pubs near all of them?
> ============
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> It is true that many parish churches are situated close to a village inn,
> probably because the village community developed around the parish church.
> But there are many exceptions.
>
> For example, I recently photographed St Michael's Church at Cathedine (BRE)
> and St Maelog's Church at Llandyfaelog Fach (BRE) neither of which has a pub
> nearby. Nor indeed does St Bilo's Church at Llanfilo (BRE), which I believe
> you yourself have visited and photographed. I'm sure Listers can suggest
> other examples of 'pub-less churches'!
>
> In some of these cases, the local inn may have closed and been converted to
> other uses, but I still maintain that examples can be found of parish
> churches that have never had a pub nearby.
>
> It would be interesting to do a survey of (say) 100 randomly selected parish
> churches, to see what proportion are pub-less. Any volunteers?
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
> John
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From: "Clive Gardener" <clive-gardener(a)tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 12:05 AM
To: <powys(a)rootsweb.com>
Subject: Re: [POWYS] Llanelly
Hi Dawn
Many thanks for your reply again, this time to my new posting.
Certain moments seem to remain firmly in mind and driving past Llanelly
Church on the way up to and back down again from the caves of Llangattock
Mountain is certainly one of them for me. I originally 'discovered' the
route past the church during the early 1980s when, one winter, this was the
only passable road in a motor vehicle, due to the snowy conditions. The only
bit we had trouble on was the final steep section up to the top tramroad.
The caving friend who was travelling with me kindly got out of the car into
the cold dark night and gritted the road ahead of us - making use of a
nearby supply of grit provided for the purpose, but otherwise buried by the
snow. This enabled me to make a 'running charge' at the slope alone. We had
failed miserably to get the car up the steep section with both of us in it.
I finally just managed to reach the very awkward junction at the top, from
where an old level 'tramroad' takes you round the mountain to the caving
cottage. One of the legends written about by Alexander Cordell in his novel
'Rape of the Fair Country' has the Chartists hiding their pikes and making
lead shot (hmmm!) in a cave in the Llangattock quarries . . . The cave now
known as 'Chartist Cave' is, however, a long way off - a good gallop by
horse - across the barren moor on top of the mountain to the next mountain
across. Anyway, the Llangattock book goes into all this in much more detail!
The junction with the top tramroad from the Llanelly Church road has been
made even worse in recent times by someone building up what was once no more
than an old cart track, continuing up the mountain, into a driveable
trackway - smack opposite the junction and partly on top of the turning
area! I was with someone who actually scraped the bottom of their car on the
road and nearly had it jammed solid as a result.
I have recently been hunting for old picture postcards to help illustrate
vol. 1 of the book on the local history, but still have a little more work
to do in this area - and picture scanning as well - before commencing the
lay-up. Apart from some fine old views of the mountain I managed to locate
an early colour postcard of Bedwellty House, where Samuel Homfray,
ironmaster of Tredegar Ironworks, once lived. I'll make sure and give good
notice once the book is ready to go to print and a release date is known.
Whoever upped my bid of £6 and eventually persevered to offer more than £12
for the recent eBay picture postcard of Ebbw Vale low-level railway station
has required me to think again on this particular one . . . Although I will
admit there was a rather nice old colour postcard at the fair for £28, this
was way out of my price range, unfortunately.
Someone who would have known about any Chartist happenings at Llangattock
was the mineral agent who supervised the early 19th century quarrying
activities on the mountain, the farming at Hafod and also coal mining near
Brynmawr - Thomas Ellwood (1771-1850). After many years of good service he
finally retired in 1840, dying in King Street, Brynmawr, aged 78, on 6th
April 1850. Thomas Ellwood was buried four days later at Llanelly church,
where the service was conducted by Arthur Griffiths. I haven't yet found a
memorial stone which marks his grave but have had a good look around the
main churchyard. His father John made the first survey of the mountain's
longest-known cave, Eglwys Faen, in August 1818 - situated towards the
western end of the quarry faces, heading off in a direction towards the
Brecon Beacons, which are seen from where John lives.
Good luck for your continuing research.
Best regards
Clive
www.secret-bottletop.com
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From: "D & H Stanton" <dandh(a)intas.net.au>
To: <POWYS(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [POWYS] Llanelly
> Hello again Clive
>
> ...and again thank you, not only for rescuing a lost 'traveller' in a
> strange landscape, but the generosity of your response in sharing your
> local knowledge, combined with interesting narrative for all the Listers
> to enjoy.
>
> I was previously looking forward to the release of your book - "Exploring
> The Caves of Llangattock Mountain"; now, you have told me that mountain is
> in such close proximity to the church where I hope my ancestor was
> baptised, that you actually rang from that phonebox nearby, to mount a
> rescue. Somehow Clive, I think you may be instrumental in rescuing my
> research from the black hole it had fallen into!! I actually feel now,
> that I might be on the right track. Thank you for that and do you have a
> release date yet for the book? In the light of all this new knowledge, I
> find the historic link in your book between Llangattock Mountain and Van
> Diemen's Land, to be incredibly compelling! I'm sure Lister history buffs
> will also look forward to its' release.
>
> Kind regards,
> Dawn Stanton (Tasmania)
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In some cases the local old landowner had built the Church and the pub.
like at Llanyre in RAD Powys, Yrs, Dennis in RAD.
In a message dated 12/04/2010 09:29:34 GMT Daylight Time,
sargdg-fh(a)sargadr.plus.com writes:
In a village (Chalton in Hampshire) near where I live. The Pub is across
the road from the Church.
The story goes that when the workmen were gathered together to start
work on the church, there was no where for them to live, so, the Pub was
built first. The work men lived there while they worked on the Church.
Perhaps other building work on Churches had the same problems, and the
same solutions
John Ball wrote:
> Venita Roylance <venitar(a)mac.com> wrote:
> Just a note of fascinating interest, to me at least. When I visited
Wales a
> few years ago, we began to notice that the village pub was never far from
> the parish church, often just across the street. After we picked up on
> that, we looked for them in every village we visited. When we found a
> particular church we looked around for the nearby pub. We were seldom
> disappointed. Has anyone else noticed the same thing? You've photographed
> hundreds of churches, John. Did you find pubs near all of them?
> ============
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> It is true that many parish churches are situated close to a village inn,
> probably because the village community developed around the parish
church.
> But there are many exceptions.
>
> For example, I recently photographed St Michael's Church at Cathedine
(BRE)
> and St Maelog's Church at Llandyfaelog Fach (BRE) neither of which has a
pub
> nearby. Nor indeed does St Bilo's Church at Llanfilo (BRE), which I
believe
> you yourself have visited and photographed. I'm sure Listers can suggest
> other examples of 'pub-less churches'!
>
> In some of these cases, the local inn may have closed and been converted
to
> other uses, but I still maintain that examples can be found of parish
> churches that have never had a pub nearby.
>
> It would be interesting to do a survey of (say) 100 randomly selected
parish
> churches, to see what proportion are pub-less. Any volunteers?
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
> John
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Hello again Clive
...and again thank you, not only for rescuing a lost 'traveller' in a strange landscape, but the generosity of your response in sharing your local knowledge, combined with interesting narrative for all the Listers to enjoy.
I was previously looking forward to the release of your book - "Exploring The Caves of Llangattock Mountain"; now, you have told me that mountain is in such close proximity to the church where I hope my ancestor was baptised, that you actually rang from that phonebox nearby, to mount a rescue. Somehow Clive, I think you may be instrumental in rescuing my research from the black hole it had fallen into!! I actually feel now, that I might be on the right track. Thank you for that and do you have a release date yet for the book? In the light of all this new knowledge, I find the historic link in your book between Llangattock Mountain and Van Diemen's Land, to be incredibly compelling! I'm sure Lister history buffs will also look forward to its' release.
Kind regards,
Dawn Stanton (Tasmania)
I have some family that lived in Ty Mawr, Llangattock near Crickhowell in
the 1841 census. A John LEWIS and his family lived there for a period.
John appears to have been born ~ 1771 and was baptised in the Methodist
Church at Llanwenarth (now Govilon), he was also living at Ty Mawr at this
time. Whilst he has been living there for a while I am not certain who
actually owned the land.
Does anyone know how I can find out who the owner of the land was?
Thanks Garth
Hi Garth,
The 1840 Tithe map and apportionments will list the owner and tenant of all
properties.
These are compiled by parish.
Ask Powys Archive Office to do a quick search.
Email: archives(a)powys.gov.uk
Lloyd
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From: "Redgullywines" <redgullywines(a)bigpond.com>
To: <powys(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 11:50 AM
Subject: [POWYS] Help with finding land owners
>I have some family that lived in Ty Mawr, Llangattock near Crickhowell in
> the 1841 census. A John LEWIS and his family lived there for a period.
> John appears to have been born ~ 1771 and was baptised in the Methodist
> Church at Llanwenarth (now Govilon), he was also living at Ty Mawr at this
> time. Whilst he has been living there for a while I am not certain who
> actually owned the land.
>
> Does anyone know how I can find out who the owner of the land was?
>
> Thanks Garth
>
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You are able to use prepaid cards from the Post Office, Credit cards, Debit
cards and if all fails a reverse charge call.
Lloyd
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From: "Beryl Phillips" <Bkcymru(a)gbis.com>
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Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 5:49 AM
Subject: Re: [POWYS] Llanelly
> Hi Clive,
>
> The message in the phone box says that it doesn't accept money/cash.
>
> I apologise for this being off topic but I have obviously been away from
> Wales too long. How does one use a public telephone box without
> inserting
> those coins? Does one swipe a credit card now?
>
> Beryl
>
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Hi John Ball and listers,
Just a note of fascinating interest, to me at least. When I visited Wales a few years ago, we began to notice that the village pub was never far from the parish church, often just across the street. After we picked up on that, we looked for them in every village we visited. When we found a particular church we looked around for the nearby pub. We were seldom disappointed. Has anyone else noticed the same thing? You've photographed hundreds of churches, John. Did you find pubs near all of them?
Venita
Homepage: Family History and Other Fascinations
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http://homepage.mac.com/venitar/Photolinks/photolinks.html
On Apr 10, 2010, at 8:58 AM, D & H Stanton wrote:
> Hello Listers,
>
> Can somebody tell me - if the church and the Pub are the only buildings now in Llanelly (see John's Retrospective on Llanelly), what happened to the rest of the village? I am currently waiting on an LDS film of Llanelly Baptisms to arrive - it very well may be where my Welsh ancestor was baptised; therefore I am very interested to know what happened to the village.
>
> I went there courtesy of Google StreetView and when I could only find the Pub, I thought I just kept taking a wrong turn, but apparently that's it. No wonder my gggGrandmother is so hard to find - even the possible birthplace has disappeared!!! Any info sincerely appreciated.
>
> Kind regards,
> Dawn Stanton (Tasmania)
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Hi Dawn
Llanelly is a parish name as described by John below and 'Llanelly Church' -
named after St Ellyw (or Elli) - is actually Gilwern parish church. The
parish, comprising Aberbaidan and Maes-y-gwartha, had a population of 4,041
in 1831 and 7,366 in 1841.
There are three houses, or so, by the church - outside one of which I once
met the owner when he was modernising and refitting the interior. There is
also a telephone box by the church where we used to make calls in the 1980s,
pre mobile telephone days, to start a cave rescue call-out in motion,
whenever parties were overdue in the caves of Llangattock Mountain (above
the church). I started one particular call-out here in January 1988 where we
had to rescue 2 friends trapped by floodwaters deep underground at the lower
end of the main underground river of the mountain. The local cave rescue
controller started things in motion from Pontnewynydd, whilst I went back to
the caving cottage, decided what equipment we required and led the first
reconnaissance/rescue party. The two trapped cavers were safely back on the
surface at 00:07 on the Monday morning - after having spent 37 hours
underground! Using the Google street image I see that there is a message
'Nid Yw'n Derbyn Arian' (which someone might like to translate) in an
uppermost pane of the red telephone box by the wall of the churchyard.
Usually on a Sunday the road on the upper side of the church (which is in an
'island' surrounded on all sides by small country lanes) is full of parked
cars belonging to members of the congregation.
Best regards
Clive Gardener
www.secret-bottletop.com
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From: "John Ball" <john(a)jlb2005.plus.com>
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Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [POWYS] Llanelly
> Dawn Stanton <dandh(a)intas.net.au> wrote:
> Can somebody tell me - if the church and the Pub are the only buildings
> now
> in Llanelly (see John's Retrospective on Llanelly), what happened to the
> rest of the village? I am currently waiting on an LDS film of Llanelly
> Baptisms to arrive - it very well may be where my Welsh ancestor was
> baptised; therefore I am very interested to know what happened to the
> village.
> I went there courtesy of Google StreetView and when I could only find the
> Pub, I thought I just kept taking a wrong turn, but apparently that's it.
> No
> wonder my gggGrandmother is so hard to find - even the possible birthplace
> has disappeared!!! Any info sincerely appreciated.
> ================
>
> Dear Dawn,
>
> I don't think the village of Llanelly ever has amounted to much. Most of
> the
> population of Llanelly parish (9,644 in 1851) lived in or near Brynmawr or
> the once great Clydach Ironworks both of which were situated in the parish
> of Llanelly. The tombstones in the graveyard around St Elli's Church,
> provide evidence that many parishioners had occupations associated with
> the
> ironworks.
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
> John
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