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Hi Vera,
Thank you very much, that is a great help. I think I have opened a can of
worms and it has been very complicated, a bit easier with kind people like
yourself.
Thank you again
Dianne
NSW Australia.
-----Original Message-----
From: powys-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of ldbest(a)persona.ca
Sent: Tuesday, 25 March, 2008 7:10 PM
To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POWYS] Roberts, Hughes and Owens family
> Hello Diane:
If Hugh Hughes was living in 1871 where he ge up; his parents are John
Hughes and Ellen and he was christened 4 june 1836 llandyfrydog
Hello Diane
>
> It looks as though you have opened the proverbial can of worms and I
> think your search is going to be somewhat complicated. Firstly, the
> place you are looking for is Llanbrynmair in the County of
> Montgomeryshire (now part of the County of Powys) and it is here that
> John Morgan Roberts was born, the illegitimate son of Dorothy Roberts.
> (It would be advisable to send for his birth certificate which would
> confirm this and possibly give you the name of his father).
>
> At the time of his birth Dorothy Roberts aged 27, was working as a
> servant for farmer Richard Evans and his wife Jane at Clawddachoed, a
> substantial farm in Llanbrynmair - she was not married.
>
> Subsequently Dorothy married Hugh Hughes an agricultural labourer born
> Llandyfrydog in Cardiganshire. In 1871 they were living at 'Dairy Leg'
> in Llanbrynmair, Hugh 39, Dorothy 37, John ROBERTS 11, and with three
> childrren of the marriage Edward 9, Jane 7, William 2 (all Hughes).
>
> It would be useful to send for the marrige certificate of Dorothy & Hugh
> as this should give you the name of her father and possibly take you
> back another generation.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Vera Brown
> Membership Secretary
> Powys FHS
>
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Hi Lynne,
Thank you very much. No I don't have that information, it is a great help.
Thank you again
Dianne
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Behalf Of edward
Sent: Wednesday, 26 March, 2008 12:33 AM
To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [POWYS] Re ROBERTS,HUGHES & OWENS Family
Dianne,
Hope I'm not butting in, Dorothy ROBERTS , extracted
birth record I.G.I. born 24th April 1833,christened 29th May 1833. Old
Chapel Congregation or Independant,
Brynmair Montgomery. Parents Robert Roberts and Jane MORGANS.
As you said in 1841 a Dorothy Roberts aged 8yrs is living with John Owens
and Jane his wife. This could be the same John Owens and * Jane MORGAN
married in
Llanbrynmair in 1835.
Sorry if you already have this .
Lynne.
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Dianne,
Hope I'm not butting in, Dorothy ROBERTS , extracted
birth record I.G.I. born 24th April 1833,christened 29th May 1833. Old Chapel Congregation or Independant,
Brynmair Montgomery. Parents Robert Roberts and Jane MORGANS.
As you said in 1841 a Dorothy Roberts aged 8yrs is living with John Owens and Jane his wife. This could be the same John Owens and * Jane MORGAN married in
Llanbrynmair in 1835.
Sorry if you already have this .
Lynne.
Hi
I am new to this list. I am researching a John Morgan Roberts. From his
death certificate he was born 1860 Llemfane maire. (This was the spelling on
it) His father's name is not mentioned , mother's name Dorothy Roberts but
on his marriage certificate it is stated he was born 1860 Llanbynmair,
parents are; mother, Dorothy Owens and father, John Roberts. He migrated to
New Zealand 1874 than Australia 1876.
>From the 1841 and 1851 census the only Dorothy Roberts I found is living
with an Owens family and in the 1871 census I found a John M Roberts son of
Dorothy and Hugh Hughes.
Would anybody else be researching this family or could a lookup be done
anyway before I purchase his birth certificate so I know it may be the right
one. I have purchased one but it was not the son of a Dorothy. There seems
to be a lot of John Roberts born 1860.
Thank you for any help
Dianne
NSW, Australia
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Well as I expected...no response to the first letter...this one is for all the Welsh sheep out there!
> > New Rules Applied at The Powys County Archives.
> >
> > (100 year closure rule on all Parish Registers)
> >
> >
> >
> > I wonder how many Archive users know of or would be interested in knowing about the new rules that have recently been instituted at the above Archive?
> >
> > Last March,2007 I had been copying for Genealogy/Family History purposes the names of pupils in various Powys School Admission Registers.These books are a goldmine for those of you who don't already know about them.They give among other things the name of the child of course and the date of birth.... something you can then use to pull up the relevant Registrar's birth certificate for the genealogy proof that you need.The pages consist of several columns but those of most interest are as I say...name,date of birth, abode at age 5 and one parent.The last column sometimes left blank,unfortunately. I copied nothing more and indeed I wanted nothing more since with some books containing 1500 entries one wishes to take down the minimum amount of information...all in pencil of course. Most of these unstructured Registers,all with random information in the public domain were deposited between 25 and 40 years ago and have been totally accessible since that time....that is un!
til now!
> >
> > In November of 2007 I again booked time at the Archive to specifically copy more of these Registers in the Rhayader area.To do so when one lives over 3,000 miles away is not a matter to be taken lightly and the Archive Network Wales website itself,as of November stated in black and white for Powys Education documents, quote: "Conditions of access: No restrictions.Conditions governing reproduction: Usual copyright regulations apply," unquote.I copied three more Registers without hindrance since I was legally allowed to do so. Miss Richards,the Head Archivist even handed me Book One for Cwmdauddwr herself without comment. However,a third of the way through Book Two,a different staff member saw fit to personally examine the Register contents first and then to deny me access.The reason given after consultation and with the concurrance of the Head Archivist in her office was that the documents contain the names of living people and so the 1998 Data Protection Act was im!
mediately and arbitrarily invoked against me.Full stop! (Registers may I say that belong to the residents of three Counties,not Miss Richards)A power trip by anyone's standards.This,without even a telephone call to CyMAL or a Data Protection Officer first for advice or guidance! The fact that the data may be exempt was never considered. Apparently there might be an adverse impact upon ex-pupils and they might be substantialy distressed in some way if I could see their names,date of birth,one parent's name and their farm abode at age 5,over 50 or 60 years ago.When I mentioned that the Parish Registers contained the same data the comment was simply ignored! In my opinion this shabby treatment meted out to an Archive user was simply a knee-jerk reaction which seemed to only exacerbate an already "I'm Boss; I know all the Rules" attitude and of course this was clearly utilized. No surprise to many past patrons from what I have been told.
> >
> > At this point I was told that I could instead have photocopies of what I wanted but not information of a personal nature.Well that was fair enough.However the copies were only to contain the pupil's names and NOTHING MORE! When I protested at this as being of no use whatsoever I was told that at least I would know who went to School there! I then asked how many pages I could have? The answer,pulled out of the air was quote: "Oh...I should think..um...(short pause)...five!"..unquote.Again a personal,arbitrary decision based upon nothing in particular.I declined.Next day I went back anyway.I was told that if I signed a C4 waiver containing the call numbers for the documents that I had already legally copied then I could copy the rest of the information that I wanted but nothing more.So I signed this in good faith.Unfortunately I was tricked here.What was proposed was that I could now not only see the name of the pupils but also, (Heaven forbid) their date of birth a!
s well! Not their farm abode at age 5 though.All of that was now to be censored under a large piece of white paper tied with a matching white ribbon! At this point the Archivist beetled off and dumped all the dirty work of turning over page after page in the lap of the unfortunate Assistant Archivist.
> >
> > Yes,she was delegated to turn the pages over each time and then cover up the offending information that my eyes were not allowed to fall upon.Yes...."please Nanny,can you turn the page over for me? I promise not to look." After a few minutes of that nonsense I felt that this childish humiliation had gone on long enough and walked out in disgust with the entire mickey-mouse operation.May I make it clear here again, that at this time I was within my right to copy those Registers according to the ANW website stated above...that was until the wording was arbitrarily changed several days later by Miss.Richards. Also,if these same Registers by some great good fortune had been deposited at The National Library of Wales or The National Archives in London we would simply have ordered them by computer,they would have been retrieved from storage and handed over without comment.Full stop.There would certainly have been no Archive-Degreed busybody there examining them first and!
deciding on a religious,political,moral,social or above all personal basis whether we could see them or not.It is not their job to do so.....Not so at Stalag Luft Powys.
> >
> > I wrote a letter of complaint to the Head Archivist,Ms.Catherine Richards in November.In this letter I explained what I had encountered above in the previous days,including the first day while she was sitting in her office. I pointed out to her that the Education Records were listed on the Archive Network Wales website as having NO restrictions to access as I have already said and that the usual copyright laws applied and had done so since the documents were deposited 25 or 30 years ago.I checked the website a few days later and found that the same conditions had now been changed to read "Powys Archive Rules apply!"
> >
> > Whatever that may mean.Not very clear is it CyMAL? Neither the Archive Stakeholders nor the Community were ever consulted as per correct Archive Standards procedure. Simply a personal,vague,ambiguous statement...this in contravention of Article 16.4.1,page 31 of the Standards for Access to Archives regulations, "Closure periods will be CLEARLY communicated to users!" At no time did Miss.Richards ever say to me.."You are right Mr.Lewis.I have checked the website and find that there are no restrictions.Please come again and copy what you wish!"...as I was quite within my right to do.Instead,there was a total lack of customer service.Only rules and regulations.All of a sudden, the DPA was cited and a full TEN years after coming into Law mind you.Yesterday you could see it;today the entire series, (only 250 schools in three Counties) is closed for 100 years. Now you see it;now you don't.Catch 22. Welcome to Powys Mr.Lewis.We don't trust you here! Just come back in 100 years !
time! Bye bye!
> >
> > As with Parish Registers,this personal,innocuous,sensitive,data in unstructured,manual form, historically deposited random information in a non-relevant file system is all in the Public Domain.All of that makes the data exempt from the DPA and indeed it is all available 100 yards away at the Powys Registrar's Office or online using the free BMD website for post-1837 to 2006 birth,marriage and death certificates.For a nominal fee the same personal information that the School Registers contain and much more,can be mailed to your doorstep.The Powys Archive itself has seen fit to put this same private school information about pupils from the logbooks onto CD and sell it for profit....same school,same time period that I wish to copy and some of the same personal information that I am not allowed to see but don't want.Is it then really all about making money from information on private individuals or is it all about hypocrisy? It seems like both to me.
> >
> > I did receive a courteous reply to my letter from Ms.Richards a few days later. In it she admitted that she had personally applied the 1998 DPA to the Registers that I wished to see and in doing so she saw fit to close the entire series,no precedent being stated except that they contain names of people who may still be living and who she personally thought might "possibly" be offended in some way unknown if I was to see their name,date of birth,abode or parent name,65 years after the fact. (What do Parish Registers show compared to that? More!...much more! I can tell you!) If we now wish to see these documents, we must produce a death certificate to prove that any person we see is dead.... I have this in writing! Only then can you research that one person...and that goes for any other Archive users doing extractions after 1907/08.
> >
> > Make no mistake about it,this is not a personal vendetta against me by someone in a personal fiefdom. These new rules apply to EVERYONE who now walks through the door and wants to see information on anyone born after 1907/08 in any Class of document.They too must supply a death certificate.This has to apply to everyone since to do otherwise would knowingly be a blatant act of conscious personal discrimination by Powys County Council.The new rules must apply to ALL documents in Powys Archives.The Telephone Directory,the Voter's list,Vaccination certificates,CDs, microfilms (Parish Registers) and microfiche to name only a few. These all contain the names of living people and sensitive personal data! Documents at Powys,The NLW and other Archives must be treated in the same manner since this again,to do otherwise, would be conscious discrimination using the DPA as an excuse. ALL Archives in the UK are covered by this same DPA!
> >
> > I think couples in Rhayader in the 1990s living together and having children out of wedlock and whose personal names,present abode,occupation and children's date of birth/baptism etc are written in the Parish Register would certainly be upset (substantialy distressed?) to know that the information was at present, freely available in the Powys Archive on a self-serve basis. (I can name those people above if you wish!) Think identity theft here Rhayader! You too can have your private identity applied today to a false passport in a back alley in some third world country.....which I won't name....(DPA....you understand!)
> >
> > All documents written in Welsh at Powys must be closed until further notice since there is no Archivist there who can read Welsh to find out if they contain sensitive data or the names of living people.To do otherwise would be to unfairly favour Welsh speakers as opposed to myself,an English speaker. More discrimination in other words.To do otherwise would,again,contravene the 1998 DPA which Ms.Richards is now upholding.Are there any Lawyers or perhaps Mormon Attorneys out there who smell litigation here and who wish to help me? Please feel free to contact me.
> >
> > By the way...the 1998 Act is stacked heavily in favour of Archives and Archivists and contains very little to help Archive users...you and me..."the enemy!" The Powys County Archives can do exactly as they please with YOUR documents with no accountability.Why? Well, you thought they belonged to some noble Welsh Archive group didn't you? A group governed by the same code and rules used by the NLW and NA who could speak for you and me and who would have the best interests of researchers uppermost in their minds.Think again.They have virtually nothing to do with professional Archives in the UK.The Powys County Archive Office is merely a common County Council Office masquerading for all these years as a Welsh Historical Archive and accountable to no higher Archival Authority.The building is Powys County Council property.They provide the funding.They hire the staff and they pay the staff.Guess who they are accountable to? Any member of staff may act as arbitrarily a!
s they please,and they are within their right to do so. (Read that bit again!)
> >
> > Most people I have spoken with in Powys are also fed up with the mentality at this Archive as I am. However most of them unfortunately,simply go home,sit by the fire,have a nice cup of tea and have a good moan about it all!...and so nothing changes. In fact I know some people who refuse to set foot in the place...(I can name them if you wish!) so I am not just a voice complaining in the wilderness here.As all previous users can testify the site itself always was user unfriendly and indeed I look upon it as nothing more than a glorified Quonset hut.I'm afraid now,that the staff are starting to fall into that same user unfriendly category.
> >
> > At the very least what users may hope for is a regime change.At the very best what most people that I have spoken to pray for,is that the whole operation might be shut down and the entire inventory moved to the NLW where we could have complete normal access to historical Welsh documents and do our research in a comfortable, friendly, professional Welsh speaking atmosphere.The NLW is easy to get to,the hours are convenient and the staff friendly.I only flew 3,000 miles to get the aggravation.What if someone like Blue had flown from Australia? (In Archival parlance this is known as a "geographical disability" by the way)
> >
> > The hours of opening at Powys are also a joke.As it stands now anyone who is in their early twenties and holds a normal job will have to wait 45 years to enter the building after they retire,unless they specifically take a day off work to do so! (A "disadvantaged group" in Archive-speak.) Of 31 days in any month I can only have access to the building for 16 of them and then only for 6 hours per day! Did I mention that they also close for 1 hour at lunch time? (A blessing in disguise?) I pointed out these problems to them over five years ago in the worthless annual survey that all Archives use.Did anything change? No! Why? Because they really don't want people in there at all;that's why! Customer service? Oh sure!
> >
> > I asked to see a roll of Pedigrees concerning my Lewis surname,also 5 or 6 years ago.While unrolling the charts I foolishly pointed out to them at the time that the documents needed some conservation. (The cello tape was falling off !...honestly.) I was told then that I could not see them at all until they were conserved...(All rules and regulations.No accountability!) Well,as I say that was several years ago.Did anything change? No! I know now that I will never see those documents....not in my lifetime...never! If they had not been deposited I would at least have had a chance to view them privately....and so it goes...no one cares! So let that be a lesson to anyone who has some nice Welsh historical documents squirreled away in a loft or trunk somewhere.DO NOT turn them in to Powys because you and everyone else will never be able to see them again.Turn them in instead to the NLW or any other reputable Archive.
> >
> >
> >
> > But wait...before you turn the page put the kettle on.There's a sequel coming.
> >
> >
> >
> > Roger Scott Lewis, Malaysia... January,2008.
> >
> > cousinroger(a)hotmail.com
> >
> > no restrictions/15 years
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> Hello Diane:
If Hugh Hughes was living in 1871 where he ge up; his parents are John
Hughes and Ellen and he was christened 4 june 1836 llandyfrydog
Hello Diane
>
> It looks as though you have opened the proverbial can of worms and I
> think your search is going to be somewhat complicated. Firstly, the
> place you are looking for is Llanbrynmair in the County of
> Montgomeryshire (now part of the County of Powys) and it is here that
> John Morgan Roberts was born, the illegitimate son of Dorothy Roberts.
> (It would be advisable to send for his birth certificate which would
> confirm this and possibly give you the name of his father).
>
> At the time of his birth Dorothy Roberts aged 27, was working as a
> servant for farmer Richard Evans and his wife Jane at Clawddachoed, a
> substantial farm in Llanbrynmair - she was not married.
>
> Subsequently Dorothy married Hugh Hughes an agricultural labourer born
> Llandyfrydog in Cardiganshire. In 1871 they were living at 'Dairy Leg'
> in Llanbrynmair, Hugh 39, Dorothy 37, John ROBERTS 11, and with three
> childrren of the marriage Edward 9, Jane 7, William 2 (all Hughes).
>
> It would be useful to send for the marrige certificate of Dorothy & Hugh
> as this should give you the name of her father and possibly take you
> back another generation.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Vera Brown
> Membership Secretary
> Powys FHS
>
>
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Hi,
Thought I would put my research names on the list again in the hope someone may be looking for the same thing.
Morgan John father of Esther living Hirwaun, Merthyr 1850's
Maddy Evan 1766 married to Ann believed to be living around Llanigon, Llyswen area and before.
Thank you.
Sue in Suffolk
Thank you, Ann. I realized after I posted that Dowlais was in Glamorgan. Elizabeth was born in Montgomeryshire and this is where I have been looking.
Edna
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:43:19 +0000 (GMT)
From: ann bryan <annbryan2002(a)yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [POWYS] Elizabeth Jones
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Edna.
If you go to Google and type in St John's parish church
Dowlais----there are several websites about it. There is also a picture of it.
Happy viewing!
Ann.
UK.
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Hello Ian,
Fom memory ,Meifod I believe was a sub district in Llanfyllin district. At some time was abolished and merged with Llansanffraid ym Mechain. Records now held at Powys(welshpool):
The Register Office,District Council Offices,Neuadd Maldwyn,Welshpool SY 21 7AS.
Tel: 01938-551228/551262.
Fax:01938 551233.
e-mail wpoolreg(a)powys.gov.uk
Lynne.
Hi. I am trying to find parents of Elizabeth Jones. Aug 20 1847 she married Meredith Evans. According to marriage cert she lived in Dowlais with father John Jones,lab. She was married in Dowlais parish church. I cannot find Dowlais in 1841 census. Can anyone tell me where to look?
Also can anyone tell me name of parish church. I would love to find a photo of it.
Thanks
Edna
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Cherie and Kevin:
Anne Ashton is the daughter of Charles Ashton and Jane Jones of Carno.
Her christening date 1 Aug 1818 [BT] she died May 1888 Temperance Trefeglwys buried 13 May 1888 ..
Charles and Jane had other children:
Elizabeth Davies ch 24 Oct 1825 [BT}
Thomas Ashton born13 apr 1828 Glanrafon-ucha Carno ch. 23 Apr 1828 Wesleyan Parish Llanidloes {BT}
Jane Ashton born 28 Dec 1830 Carno ch 26 jan 1831 Wesleyan Parish Llanidloes.[BT}
Charles Ashton was born 1792 ch 10 Jan 1792 {BT} Llanidloes the son of Susan Ashton confirmed by Bill Baker's CD numbers.[will]
And Susan is the daughter of John Ashton 1738 ch 16 Oct 1744 {BT} =buried 10 May 1801and Susannah Morgan..[will]
John [1738-1801 s/o John Ashton [1704-1753 and Mary Benbow 1799-1753 of Trefeglwys. [will]
John of Gesielfa Trefeglwys 1704-1753 is the son of John 1667-1732 and mMary Jarman 1672-1730..
this John is the son of John Asthon 1635-1674 & Ann Benbow cir 1646-1722
which takes us back to John Ashton 1808-1674 and Elizbaeth Jarman to George and Joanna.
Can anyone helpme find out more about
Richard ch. 9 Feb 1818 Trefeglwys died 1 Jan 1857 Trefeglwys...son of Evan and Mary? or Sarah
The reason I am trying to find out about this Richard is he fits what I do know who we are looking for.
. He died prior to 1861 census yet was still alive in 1851..and ,lived @ Tyn'sarn Trefeglwys.. An I think it is possible that Evan Evans also loved @ Tyn'sarn and that he was somehow related to the Ashtons...
Does anyone know the Ricahrd Ebans 1778 of Trefeglwys died 1817 Llechwedd and Mary Lloyd ch.30 Jun 1782 children...perhaps it is their Evan I am seeking>
Why do I think so? There was an article on Elizabeth [nee Ashton ] Davies son...Charles Ashton being born 4 Sep 1848 at Tyn'sarn Llawr-y-glyn Trefeglwys as well..I found that also listed his death place as Dinas Mawddwyl 13 Oct 1899
I also found Evan Evans s/o Evan Evans and Sarah Ashton that I have no infromation on who he married or children.
Who is Richard Evans that married Mary Ashton...and had two sons both named Richard in 1817 and 1818?..
Can any one help me find out more about these people that I am stuck on...the EVANS family...
Thank you.
My GGG granfather Evan Jones married Charlotte Williams in Myddle, Shrops in
1806. After the birth of several children baptised in Pontesbury, both
parents seem to have disappeared.
An Evan Jones, 66, harper, appears in the 1851 census for Garthbeibio, with
wife Easter 67. It is possible Charlotte died and Evan remarried. Does
anyone know the origins of these people. Evan and Charlotte are believed to
have had Gypsy backgrounds, and their male progeny were earthenware dealers
and were part travellers, part resident.
I would love to hear from anyone with a knowledge of Welsh Gypsies.
Eric, Llanidloes
Helo Ian.
So far I have found Elizabeth in 1891 as a Servant living with a Grocer and family in Llanfyllin. It states she was born in Meifod in 1871. There are lots of Elizabeth Davies's in Montgomeryshire, but that's the only one born in 1871.
Back to the 1901 census now.
Ann.
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Dear Listers,
I have just uploaded this week's Retrospectives onto my website. They
include:
1. The Dylan Thomas Centre at Swansea in the county of Glamorgan (one
picture). This was one of the first 'Images of Wales' features shown on my
website back in December 1997.
2. A visit to Cwmafan (Cwmavon) in the Afan Valley, county of Glamorgan
(five pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in
January 1999.
As usual, these webpages will be on display for one week.
'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at
www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm
While there, take the time to explore my 'Webpage Archive' and make your
own Retrospective requests.
Kind regards,
John
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G`Day Listers.
Can anyone please check the 1901 and 1891 census for ELIZABETH DAVIES (born
Llanfyllin 1871) I am trying to find her date and place of birth.
Many thanks and a Happy Easter
Ian Lawson
Hi Ian,
In Census 1871-1891 an Elizabeth DAVIES, daughter of Thomas DAVIES and Mary gives her place of birth as
Meifod Montgomeryshire. I dont have access to the 1901.
If this is her, on the 1871 original her age is given as 2 mnths.
Lynne.
Hi Derick,
There`s a possibility that your Trewen could be the old township of Trederwen, MGY
D Gregory <d.gregory3(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:
HI Listers
I am new to this List,would sks know the surname of JOHN MORGAN,S wife ?.
In the 1841 census for Forden John was 45 and his wife MARY ANN aged 41 she was born in TREWEN,SHROPSHIRE ,( Although the only Trewen I know is in Cornwall ) .
The 1851 Census for Forden has 2 John Morgan,s in the same family aged 14 and 7,I have found 2 possible marriages on the FreeBMD for John ( its the older Johns wife I am looking for )
Sept Qr 1860 John Morgan and Mary Ann Pryce Reg at Montgomery and
Jun Qr 1864 John Morgan and Mary Ann Gardner Reg at Mongomery
John Morgan the youngest brother would have been only 16 in 1860
any suggestions, thanks in anticipation
Derick Gregory
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HI Listers
I am new to this List,would sks know the surname of JOHN MORGAN,S wife ?.
In the 1841 census for Forden John was 45 and his wife MARY ANN aged 41 she was born in TREWEN,SHROPSHIRE ,( Although the only Trewen I know is in Cornwall ) .
The 1851 Census for Forden has 2 John Morgan,s in the same family aged 14 and 7,I have found 2 possible marriages on the FreeBMD for John ( its the older Johns wife I am looking for )
Sept Qr 1860 John Morgan and Mary Ann Pryce Reg at Montgomery and
Jun Qr 1864 John Morgan and Mary Ann Gardner Reg at Mongomery
John Morgan the youngest brother would have been only 16 in 1860
any suggestions, thanks in anticipation
Derick Gregory