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Hi,
If you are a HARRIES/HARRIS/HARRISS, you, or your relatives, may be
interested in the following research. There is a project which is studying
the
DNA of HARRISes (and all variants) around the world at:-
http://www.harrisdna.org/
It also has an entry on Wikipedia at:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HARRIS_Surname_DNA_Project
Its aim is to give genealogy researchers direction in finding their origin,
which is often difficult with a common surname such as
HARRIES/HARRIS/HARRISS. Note that before 1800 spellings often changed as
people moved around so many people with different spellings of HARRIS,
HARRISS, HARRIES, etc may be related.
Take a look at the URL and decide for yourself. At minimum you should do the
37 marker test which, as well as seeing if you are related to any of the
existing families, will indicate whether your DNA is Anglo-saxon, Celtic,
Norse Viking, etc. As
most HARRISes originated from France/Britain/Spain most will be anglo-saxon
but you never know, you may well be more exotic.
The project is of particular interest to HARRISes in Wales as one of the
original Norman HARRIS families is thought to orginate there (see the
Wikipedia link). There may well be descendants of this family still in Wales
to this very day.
Best Wishes and please let other HARRISes know about this project.
Thanks:-)
Dear Ruth,
thank you so much for all the information. Given what you have said then
perhaps it will be worth ordering the bond. The guarantors names could
be very useful. They were established church on this side of the family.
It does all fit. Strangely it is the only bond that I can find for my
Jenkins/Marsen family. Several girls getting married but only one bond -
the earliest of the marriages.
thank you again
Diana
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From: <RufHay(a)aol.com>
To: <powys(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [POWYS] Marriage Bonds
Hi Diana
Marriage bonds that I have seen have not routinely had the parents' names
but
they do have names of (usually) two guarantors of the amount of money
stipulated in the bond - in case one of the parties did not go through with
the
wedding. I think the sum of money was probably notional & doubt if people
who got
as far as having a marriage bond ever defaulted. One of my ggg
grandfathers,
Ebenezer Lewis, was bound for £500 in 1807 - and I can't imagine that he or
his guarantors could have raised this huge sum of money in those days.
He was a Baptist and it was quite common for non-conformists to be married
by
licence (and therefore need a marriage bond). In this way they avoided the
reading of marriage banns on three Sundays before the wedding in the parish
church of bride & groom.
Apart from non-conformists, it was often members of the upper classes who
were married by licence.
Best regards, Ruth
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I have a question on the possibility of exploring documents related to my
grgrand born Llywel, Breconshire in 1849. Does anyone know if documents
exist for indiviuals bound out to service in Breconshire? The following is
from the obit of Isaac Price in 1923:
"Forced by the poverty of the times, at the tender age of seven, he was
bound out, at service, to a farmer and began the struggle of gaining his
daily bread....."
I recently had a conversation with a friend who was able to locate legal
documents dating from 1830 in Devon, England for an "appenticeship in the
art of husbandry" for a 10 year old girl. An indenture was filled out before
witnesses and 2 Church Wardens who were all acting for a group charged with
overseeing help for the poor. If anyone has any insight on possible ways to
explore this in 1850's Breconshire I would be grateful to hear from you.
Gwen
gisaac(a)netins.net
Hi Listers
Having mentioned my ancestor Ebenezer Lewis, I am reminded that I have never
found his burial, though I think he died in Llandeilo Graban in the 1830s.
His widow Martha, nee Price, lived for some considerable time afterwards.
If anyone has access to the relevant PR or NBI listing, I would be grateful
if they could look Ebenezer up. He was a Baptist, but I think that there was
no Baptist burial ground in Llandeilo Graban at the time, though there was a
chapel & E L was one of its founders.
Best regards, Ruth
Hi Diana
Marriage bonds that I have seen have not routinely had the parents' names but
they do have names of (usually) two guarantors of the amount of money
stipulated in the bond - in case one of the parties did not go through with the
wedding. I think the sum of money was probably notional & doubt if people who got
as far as having a marriage bond ever defaulted. One of my ggg grandfathers,
Ebenezer Lewis, was bound for £500 in 1807 - and I can't imagine that he or
his guarantors could have raised this huge sum of money in those days.
He was a Baptist and it was quite common for non-conformists to be married by
licence (and therefore need a marriage bond). In this way they avoided the
reading of marriage banns on three Sundays before the wedding in the parish
church of bride & groom.
Apart from non-conformists, it was often members of the upper classes who
were married by licence.
Best regards, Ruth
Dear list,
Can anyone tell me why anyone would be married by marriage bond. I have France Jenkins 1804 marrying John Owen 1800 at Y Feinor/Vaynor in 1820 by marriage bond. Does anyone know what infromation would be on the bond?
with thanks
Diana
Hello All
Now i have been kindly advised as to where St Johns in Brecon is (Thankyou Vera). Can anyone help me find the right Ann Davies?
I have found her possibly on the 1841 census with her father Thomas who was a sawyer (on her marriage cert 1850) she was born circa 1830 and says on further census that she was born in Brecon but how can i be sure this is her, also the spelling differs which i know can happen. Can anyone point me in the right direction
Thanks
Dave
Hi, I'm new to the list
I'm researching the family of John (1799 - 1848) and Elinor (or Ellin)
JONES (nee MORRIS) of Llanygog, Montgomery. They married at Pennant
Melangell on 30 July 1825 and had the following children:
John (1824, Llangynog)
Thomas (1825, Pennant)
Mary (1826, Llangynog)
David (1828, Llangynog)
Elin (1830, Llangynog)
Jane (1831, Llangynog)
Jane (1833, Llangynog)
Elizabeth (1835, Llangynog)
Catherine (1836, Llangynog)
Mary (1839, Llangynog)
John (1844, Llangynog)
Any information gratefully received.
Many thanks
Graham Camfield
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Daniel Powell b.c. 1814 at Llandefailog Fach married Ann Griffiths b.c. 1819
at Goytre, at St.John's Church Brecon on 28th Feb 1837
In 1841 they were living at the Struet, Brecon
Daniel Powell 30 Shoemaker
Ann Powell 29
John Powell 2
In 1851 they were at New Road Blaenavon Iron Works, Llanover
Daniel Powell 37 .Brecon Cordwainer
Mary Ann Powell 32 Goytre
John Powell 13 St John's Brecon
William G. Powell 10 St.John's Brecon
Thomas Powell 8 months Merthyr Tydfil
In 1871 they were at 3 Post Office Row Trevethin
Daniel Powell 54 Brecon Shoemaker
Mary Powell 48 Goytre
Thomas Powell 20 Merthyr Tydfil
Mary Ann Powell 18 Trevethin
James David Powell 14 Crickhowell
I can not find them in 1861 although in the past I have but cannot remember
how I had difficulty in searching for them.
I am interested in any connection with any descendents of this family,
William Griffiths Powell is my ggrandfather, I have a copy of his birth
certificate.
Regards,
Ian.
Hi Connie,
The earliest UK census to record names took place in 1841. Do you already
have the entry for Edward Thomas in that census?
Rina
http://www.a-glamorgan-family.com/index.html
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From: "Connie" <waffles03(a)verizon.net>
To: <Powys(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 2:35 PM
Subject: [POWYS] census look-up for 1830/ Llandegley Parish
>I would like a look-up for Edward Thomas in 1830. He would be in
>Llandegley Parish in the county of Radnor.
> He would be around 50 years old, give or take a few years. He had a son
> Evan who would be around 21 years old. Thank you connie
Does anyone know of any VEATERS living or from Blaina?
I am trying to find information for my cousin Reese R. Veater from Scranton, Pa.
Thank you
Marge Summers
-----Original Message-----
From: Taylor Ralston
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:22 AM
To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [POWYS] BENNETT, GREENWOOD
Do any of these names sound familiar? David George Bennett, Sarah Ann
Greenwood Bennett. Birthplaces were in Llanidloes, Montgomershire, Wales,
and Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales. They had several children including:
Thomas Edward George Bennett, John George Greenwood Bennett, David George
Bennett, Jennie (or Jane) Chinick Bennett, Nephi Albert Bennett, Benjamin
Bennett. The eldest son, Thomas, married and Elizabeth or Elizabella
Williams. I found their passenger listing coming to New York on the ship
"Arizona" in 1884. They had 11 children: Sara Ann, Mary Elizabeth, Thomas
Edward, Nephi Albert, John Rees, Jane Chinick, Mordecai William, David
George, Alexander Benjamin, William Ivar, and Hazel Etta.
Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Taylor Ralston
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Does anyone on the list know where i can buy re: disc or find Parish registers for Llanelly Gelli-felin Brecon, looking for baptism and marriages of my Harrison family,
Thank you,
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I would like a look-up for Edward Thomas in 1830. He would be in Llandegley Parish in the county of Radnor.
He would be around 50 years old, give or take a few years. He had a son Evan who would be around 21 years old. Thank you connie
Dear List,
Does anyone know please where I can find a Poll Books of Breconshire (I also want to find them for Monmouthshire and Cardiganshire) for the second half of the 1700's
with thanks
Diana
Do any of these names sound familiar? David George Bennett, Sarah Ann
Greenwood Bennett. Birthplaces were in Llanidloes, Montgomershire, Wales,
and Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales. They had several children including:
Thomas Edward George Bennett, John George Greenwood Bennett, David George
Bennett, Jennie (or Jane) Chinick Bennett, Nephi Albert Bennett, Benjamin
Bennett. The eldest son, Thomas, married and Elizabeth or Elizabella
Williams. I found their passenger listing coming to New York on the ship
"Arizona" in 1884. They had 11 children: Sara Ann, Mary Elizabeth, Thomas
Edward, Nephi Albert, John Rees, Jane Chinick, Mordecai William, David
George, Alexander Benjamin, William Ivar, and Hazel Etta.
Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Taylor Ralston
Hi list,
I am researching the Harrison surname born in Lllanelly Brecon , my 3xgrt gransha John Harrison married Ann Hughes at Llanelly Brecon in 1837 if anyone has any connections to this family it would be lovely to hear from you,
Marlene
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Pictures of: Clydach Gorge and Ironworks (BRE); and Bridges in Wales
(various locations)
Dear Listers,
This week's 'Retrospective Images of Wales' webpages, just uploaded onto my
website, include:
1. The spectacular Clydach Gorge and its 18th century ironworks, in the
county of Breconshire (five pictures). This feature was first shown on
'Images of Wales' in September 1998.
2. Bridges large and small, in various parts of south, mid, and west Wales
(eight pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in
April 1999.
As usual, these webpages will be on display for one week.
'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at
www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm
Kind regards,
John
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Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/
GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/
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Hello Dave,
It looks like St. John's is the parish church of Brecon itself.
These 2 sites should help:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/Brecon/http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/Brecon/StJohn/index.html
Rina
http://www.a-glamorgan-family.com/index.html
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From: "dave warnes" <david1.warnes(a)ntlworld.com>
To: <POWYS(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 4:51 PM
Subject: [POWYS] Parish of st john Brecon
> Hello All
> I have just received a marriage cert for my ancestors David Isaac and Ann
> Davies, The parish they were married in was St John in the county of
> Brecon in 1850. It also says Ann was living in St Johns at the time of her
> marriage. Can anyone help me as to where this is?
> Thanks
> Dave
Hello All
I have just received a marriage cert for my ancestors David Isaac and Ann Davies, The parish they were married in was St John in the county of Brecon in 1850. It also says Ann was living in St Johns at the time of her marriage. Can anyone help me as to where this is?
Thanks
Dave