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Montgomeryshire Genealogical Society has recently published the following
booklets:
a) Memorial Inscriptions
MI/75 Meifod: Saints Tysilio & Mary ...£6.50
MI/76 Lllanfyllin: Original Churchyard ...£3.50
MI/77 Dolanog: St. John & Chapel ...£3
b) Parish Registers
PR/35 Guilsfield CB 1745-72; M 1745-54 ...£6
PR/44 Berriew CB 1741-70; M 1741-54 ...£6.50
PR/45 Berriew B 1771-1812; M 1754-1812 ...£6.50
W/13 Newtown Marriages 1754-1837 ...£4.50
B/17 Newtown Burials 1813-1859 ...£4.50
MISC/10 Montgomeryshire Book of Remembrance...£3
For a full list of previous publications and how to purchase, and other
links, please see:
http://home.freeuk.net/montgensoc/pages/pubns.htm
The MI series is of memorial inscriptions. These booklets are the result of
the work of teams of transcribers. All partly legible or otherwise obscure
inscriptions are subjected to further research involving Parish Registers,
Bishop's Transcripts and GRO indexes wherever appropriate, and are therefore
quite comprehensive.
The PR series is of Parish Registers, again the work of volunteer
transcribers. [C=Christenings, M=Marriages, B=Burials]. Gaps and illegible
sections in the registers are supplemented by entries from the Bishop's
Transcripts. The publications are therefore again quite comprehensive.
You may also find it of benefit to join the society which publishes a
journal three times a year.
Bryn Ellis
Pictures of: High Street, Merthyr Tydfil, GLA; and Dowlais, GLA
Dear Listers,
This week's 'Retrospective Images of Wales' webpages, just uploaded onto my
website, include:
1. Scenes taken in High Street, Merthyr Tydfil in the county of Glamorgan
(seven pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of
Wales' in May 1998.
2. The former iron-making town of Dowlais in the county of Glamorgan (seven
pictures).
This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in May 1998.
As usual, these webpages will be on display for one week.
'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at
www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm
Kind regards,
John
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Hello, I am new to this list. My name is Lesley and I live in Nelson, New Zealand.
I've been doing family history for just a few months and have passed my first thousand entries - now I am starting on my "too hard" basket. In it, I have my gg grandfather
John Ward. In 1881 he was a sorter at the GPO in London, aged 50, and he gave his birthplace as "Radnorshire, Wales" . He has a doppelganger, born same year, same county, living elsewhere in England so its harder to track his movements through the censuses.
My question is, with a name like John Ward, should I just give up and go home? I don't know Wales (yet) and I don't have the name of a village.
So far I have found people born close to 1837 to be the most difficult as they seem to fall between two stools :(
Bye for now,
Lesley-in-New-Zealand
Names being researched:
ARCHBOLD, BARTLETTssx/eng, BREWSTER eng/nz, BROOKER kent, CHAMBERS yks/eng, DIAMOND eng/aus/nz, EARWICKER ssx/eng, FERRIS, HAGGIE, JOLLIE, NOYCE hants/eng, ORSMOND, RAPSON, SCOTTnelson/nz, SEARLE, WARD rad/wls, WOOLVEN ssx/eng, WRAPSON
"But as for me, my contentment is not in wealth but in seeing you and knowing that all is well between us. And when I awake in heaven, I will be fully satisfied, for I will see you face to face." Psalm 17:15
On the subject of the 'new-look' Old-Maps website Martin Briscoe wrote:
> I can't get past the initial
>selection of the town in Firefox.
Dear Martin,
I don't know about Firefox, but in Microsoft Explorer 6 the small map has little chevrons that you'd hardly notice at the centre of each side and in the corners. Clicking on them moves the area of the small map in that direction. Not much - it's a painful business, and if you try to rush it it sometimes seems to lose track of where it is and the map goes black. I'm trying to look at an area about six reloads out from the nearest town (Colva) at the moment. I haven't tried figuring out the grid reference of the area I want to get to and entering that, but that could be the way to go.
Regards
Dave Matthews
Corlette, Australia
Hi Ruth Ann,
I enjoyed reading about the Meredith descendants, even though we're
not at all related. Interesting, isn't it, the variety of
information that both IS and IS NOT available!
I had an ancestor whose death certificate listed phthisis as the
cause of death. Someone very kindly looked it up somewhere, and
sent me this:
"a disease that causes wasting of the body". It usually referred to
pulmonary tuberculosis.
Norma in Colorado
On Apr 28, 2007, at 1:02 AM, powys-request(a)rootsweb.com wrote:
> 7. Frederick George MEREDITH.
> a. Born 10 January 1879 in Abergavenny, Monmouthshire.
> b. Age 2 on 1881 census with parents in Abergavenny,
> Monmouthshire.
> c. Age 12 on 1891 census with parents in Abergavenny,
> Monmouthshire.
> d. Died 15 July 1896 in Abergavenny, age 17, of "phthisis",
> whatever that is.
>
> Ruth Ann in United States
On the subject of accessing the full page view on the Old-Maps website John Ball wrote:
>I had the same experience as you for my first attempts. I found the problem
>was caused by my web browser blocking 'pop-ups'. Once I enabled the option
>to 'allow pop-ups from this website', everything functioned normally.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear John,
Many thanks indeed - that was exactly what the problem was. I've been caught before on other sites with that one, so I should have learnt by now.
Once I got the full page view up I found that hovering the cursor around the top left corner brings up the box with 'save-print-send..' icons in it, and that saves it in the same way that the right click used to.
That's a big relief, the Old-Maps really are a terrific resource that I'd hate to lose access to.
Kind Regards
Dave Matthews
Corlette, Australia
John,
How do you get the larger than full screen map?
When I click the 'enlarge' icon on the 1891 maps it just re-loads in keyhole view the same as before.
Dave Matthews
Corlette, Australia
Thanks for your support. I'm not taking the family tree details down because
I feel I've been taken advantage of; rather, I feel I'm doing some people a
dis-service if the material I publish is used by some others to somehow
validate research they have not done themselves. In fact it's probably
better to take the stuff away to encourage some proper research. And this
is the problem with Ancestry/Genes Reutd. etc. So many people getting
excited about spurious links flying around with no real basis to the
research.
Gareth Jones
_____________________________________________
Researching Jerman/Jarman of Llanidloes:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/jermanweb/
-----Original Message-----
From: powys-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of Carrol Drew
Sent: 27 April 2007 13:23
To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POWYS] RAD Jarman - anyone have the 1426 census?
Gareth's Jarman website has been of particular interest to us because of the
Breese family at Gellylefrith and their connection to the Francis family of
Trefeglwys ... Roger's great grandmother was Susannah Breese who married
William Francis and who moved from Bwlchyllyn to The Holme Farm, Lyonshall
sometime after the 1901 census.
It is unfortunate that the work individuals like Gareth and Richard Meredith
have done on behalf of other researchers can be "scooped" by persons too
lazy to do their own qualifying research.
I am grateful for having a point of reference that we've not explored come
up on websites of individuals who are further along in their research but we
always verify what is shown by our own research.
I am truly sorry that advantage has been taken of Gareth, Richard and other
individuals who are kind enough to post their family trees for the public to
use as reference material and wish them all the best as they move forward in
their family history research.
Thank you for having made your material available up to this point.
Carrol
Mississauga, ON
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerman Project [mailto:jermanproject@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: April 26, 2007 3:23 PM
To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POWYS] RAD Jarman - anyone have the 1426 census?
Thank you all for these comments. I suppose it's getting a little off-topic
now but I wish people wouldn't clog up these free-access databases (which
might be useful otherwise) with such rubbish.
Bearing that in mind, I am shortly going to remove the "Family Tree" section
of the Jerman web-site below because;
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In view of changes details on certificates received yesterday
made (see message I posted yesterday) it may be helpful to have what I
know at this point about third wife of Henry Pitt MEREDITH, Ann EVANS, in
order to answer questions posed. Her maiden name came from birth
certificates just received for the children Elizabeth Ann MEREDITH and
Frederick George MEREDITH and was not what I had anticipated.
Henry Pitt MEREDITH and Ann Evans married in Abergavenny,
Monmouthshire in June 1872 quarter, according to free BMD.
1. It appears she was born about 1837 in Abergavenny,
Monmouthshire. Need to order marriage certificate to find out name of
her father.
2. The 1881 census shows Ann, age 44, born in Abergavenny,
Monmouthshire.
3. On 1891 census Ann was age 54, born in Abergavenny,
Monmouthshire.
4. When 1901 census was taken, Ann was 64, widowed, born in
Abergavenny, Monmouthshire.
5. She died in Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, in 1910, age 74.
Ruth Ann in United States
The message posted yesterday did not include details on children
of Henry Pitt MEREDITH. More continues to be learned about each of these
children as research progresses. Hopefully these details will help those
who are trying to answer questions I posted yesterday about wives of
Henry Pitt MEREDITH.
1. Ellen BUCKLEY, also used surname MEREDITH.
a. Born about 1855 in California, United States, possibly a
daughter of Henry's first wife before he married her. Records of that
time period in the gold rush area are difficult to find.
b. Ellen BUCKLEY, age 5 on 1860 La Porte, Sierra County,
California census
c. MAYBE--Ellen MEREDITH, age 18 on 1871 census, birthplace
unknown, dressmaker, at Hanover Square, London, England (not sure about
this one, but she was one of several unrelated individuals in the home)
d. Ellen MEREDITH, age 26 on 1881 census, birthplace San
Francisco, America (Sierra County is north and east of San Francisco),
draper's assistant, at St. Albans, Hertfordshire, England in home of a
draper who employed seven assistants.
e. Ellen MEREDITH, age 34 or 36 (hard to read) on 1891 census,
draper's assistant, born United States (British subject), living with
married William MEREDITH and listed as his sister. This census is the
one that makes me pretty certain that the first wife of Henry died in
America.
f. Have not found Ellen after 1891 nor a death record.
g. Ellen likely did not marry. Relatives in Australia have
indicated that two maiden aunts (sisters to Henry James MEREDITH) wrote
to the family from the British Isles. I believe her to be one of these
two.
2. Mary Ann MEREDITH.
a. Born about 1858 in California, United States to Henry Pitt
MEREDITH and first wife Margaret RILEY.
b. Age 1 on 1860 census, La Porte, Sierra County, California,
taken in June.
c. Believe she also did not marry and was the other maiden aunt
that corresponded with relatives in Australia.
d. Have not found her after family returned to the British
Isles, either on census or a death record.
3. Henry James MEREDITH.
a. Born in 1859/1860 in California, United States to Henry Pitt
MEREDITH and first wife Margaret RILEY.
b. Family Bible in Australia that he wrote in gave birth as
March 1860.
c. On 1860 census for La Porte, Sierra County, California that
was taken in June 1860 and was to show those in home on June 1, 1860,
showed him as six months old.
d. He would have been under ten years old when his father
married second wife in 1869 in Breconshire.
e. Have not found him on 1871 or 1881 census records.
f. In 1885 he went to Australia, married shortly after his
arrival to a girl who was born in Australia, had five children, and
remained in Australia. I am corresponding with his descendants who live
there.
g. Died in 1921 in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia.
4. William T. MEREDITH.
a. Born about 1862 in California, United States.
b. Age 19 on 1881 census, born in America, railway clerk,
Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, with his father Henry MEREDITH
c. Married by 1887 to Elizabeth (who was born in Tredegar,
Monmouthshire).
d. Daughter Sadie MEREDITH born about 1887 in Blaenavon,
Monmouthshire.
e. Daughter Annie MEREDITH born about 1888 in Merthyr,
Glamorganshire.
f. Age 29 on 1891 census, born in United States (British
subject), railway agent, at Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire. "Sister"
Ellen MEREDITH in home in addition to his wife and daughter Annie.
(Actually Ellen is believed to be Ellen BUCKLEY, his step-sister.)
g. Son Raymond Palmer MEREDITH, born in mid 1895, Merthyr
Tydfil, Glamorganshire.
h. Age 39 on 1901 census, born in California, U.S.A. (British
subject), railway agent, Abergavenny, Monmouthshire.
5. Not aware of any children of Henry Pitt MEREDITH and his second wife
Ann HAMER.
6. Elizabeth Ann MEREDITH.
a. Born 8 April 1873 to Henry Pitt MEREDITH and third wife Ann
EVANS, at Abergavenny, Monmouthshire.
b. Age 8 on 1881 census with parents in Abergavenny,
Monmouthshire.
c. Not with parents on 1891 census.
d. Married Alfred GWATKIN 28 June 1894 in Abergavenny,
Monmouthshire, just a few months after the death of her father.
e. Daughter May GWATKIN born about 1896 in Abergavenny,
Monmouthshire.
f. Son Frederick Pitt GWATKIN born 4 June 1897 in Abergavenny,
Monmouthshire.
g. Daughter Violet Augusta GWATKIN born spring 1899, died 23
June 1901, age two years of tubercular meningitis.
h. Elizabeth Ann (MEREDITH) GWATKIN died before 1901 census was
taken, as husband was listed as widowed. Elizabeth's own widowed mother
was with Alfred and the three young children on the 1901 census in
Abergavenny, Monmouthshire.
7. Frederick George MEREDITH.
a. Born 10 January 1879 in Abergavenny, Monmouthshire.
b. Age 2 on 1881 census with parents in Abergavenny,
Monmouthshire.
c. Age 12 on 1891 census with parents in Abergavenny,
Monmouthshire.
d. Died 15 July 1896 in Abergavenny, age 17, of "phthisis",
whatever that is.
Ruth Ann in United States
Hi Jim,
Thank you for answering. I'll keep your e-mail and if I make a connections
I'll let you know.
Lona
-----Original Message-----
From: powys-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com]On
Behalf Of SpaceBum8888(a)aol.com
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:16 AM
To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POWYS] Powell & Roderick Famlies RAD
Hi Lona,
I have very little info regards any Thomas families. Only Edward Roderick =
Mary Anne Thomas.
Married 21 Dec 1815, Llanfiangel Nant Melan.
Sorry Jim
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Dave Matthews <matt42(a)pacific.net.au> wrote:
How do you get the larger than full screen map?
When I click the 'enlarge' icon on the 1891 maps it just re-loads in keyhole
view the same as before.
=================
Dear Dave,
I had the same experience as you for my first attempts. I found the problem
was caused by my web browser blocking 'pop-ups'. Once I enabled the option
to 'allow pop-ups from this website', everything functioned normally.
Kind regards,
John
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E-mail: john(a)jlb2005.plus.com
John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/
Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/
Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/
GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/
Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists
Additional information on message sent yesterday and to answer
questions asked by Ruth (on Powys list) and Gareth (on Hereford list).
No ages were given for either the bride or the groom on the
marriage certificate, just "full age".
I have no doubt that the marriage certificate refers to the Henry
Pitt MEREDITH I am researching. These parts match details known about
Henry and his family--widowed, gentleman, residence was Cusop
(Herefordshire) where his parents and brother were living, father's name
and occupation fit, witness was his brother David (from Cusop). The
marriage in January 1869 took place in Hay, Breconshire. I understand
that it was in that time period within walking distance from Cusop
(Herefordshire) and Clyro (Radnorshire) where others in the MEREDITH
family were at this time.
From the various records it appears Henry was born about
1819/1820 in Clodock, Herefordshire.
1825 he was baptized/christened with two other siblings at
Clodock, Herefordshire. He likely was the eldest of the three as this
order was supported later in wills of his PITT grandfather and PITT
uncle. His just older brother David was born in Abergavenny,
Monmouthshire about 1816.
1841 age 16 (ages round down on that census) with parents and
some siblings at Clyro, Radnorshire
1851 age 34, on census as visitor with emigration agent in
Liverpool, England
1851 age 32, on ship passenger list on arrival in United States
1860 age 40, on California census
1869 no age given when married Ann HAMER in Hay, Breconshire
1871 cannot find Henry Pitt MEREDITH on that census
1881 age 60, (is indexed as 40) on census at Abergavenny,
Monmouthshire
1891 age 72, on census at Abergavenny, Monmouthshire
1894 age 75, on death certificate, died at Abergavenny,
Monmouthshire
IF the Ann MEREDITH, age 59, that died in December 1869 quarter
in Presteigne district is indeed Ann (HAMER) MEREDITH, she would have
been born about 1810, which would make her 9 or 10 years older than
Henry. No other possibilities are shown on the free BMD. The 1869
marriage certificate says Ann was a spinster, which leads me to believe
she was not widowed and had not been married before. Might she have been
someone who helped care for the children (details on them in another
message) when Henry returned from America? Geographically, does
Presteigne sound like a possibility?
Ruth Ann in the USA
Martin Briscoe <mbriscoe(a)zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
You can zoom the other maps, click on the scale and not the + or - symbol.
=================
But unfortunately Martin, when I accessed the 1:2,500-scale maps, there was
neither a zoom scale, nor '+' or '-' symbols alongside.
Regards,
John
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Hi Tom,
Thanks for the info about the Welsh Censuses, and that Ancestry.com has that information. I try to use everything but Ancestry.com, because of various reasons, and would rather rely on Hertiage Quest, but am not real sure if they have Welsh Censuses.
LDS would have probably the next best records, but you have to watch them also, and back up your information. Thanks so much for the information, and hope all of us Powells can find a connection on this site, to who ever we are looking for. Thanks again.
If you would like to read my Powell Family Information, please go to Google Search, and type in your Search: Hall County Georgia Genealogy, when the page comes up scroll down to Photo Albums, and under this is Our Ancestors, and all the Powells there are related to me. Lewis R. Powell, my gr. gr. Grandfather, Lewis Ervin Powell, my gr. Grandfather, and Green Oliver Powell, a Gr. 1/2 Uncle, and 1/2 brother to my Lewis Ervin Powell.
Regards,
Pat in Southern Indiana US
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From: NHBigRed(a)aol.com<mailto:NHBigRed@aol.com>
To: powys(a)rootsweb.com<mailto:powys@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: [POWYS] POWYS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 136
Hi Pat,
Ancestry.com has the Welsh Censuses to search as well as the US. I've found
some of my Powells in Wales by the Census there. The POWYS mail list has noted
things like North Wales BMD records and quite a lot more.
Tom Powell
In a message dated 4/26/2007 3:09:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
powys-request(a)rootsweb.com<mailto:powys-request@rootsweb.com> writes:
Now, it looks like a lot of the Powells on this list are looking for people
in the 1800's or later. Was so surprised, because if Censuses in Wales were
kept every 10 years like in the USA, seems to me (this is my thought, forever
what it is worth) that Wales would have these records in their libraries on
film or CD's. I just wish someone would be able to put the Censuses, parish
records, tax lists, and any other records available on the internet. Am not
real sure why they are not posted, and have not kept up with this site as to
knowing if the records can be posted.
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The new format is back but you can still get the larger than full screen map
and you can view two (three?) other map series though you can view them at
full screen. You can though zoom in.
You can no longer right click to save the full screen map though.
Martin Briscoe
Fort William
M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS
> -----Original Message-----
> From: powys-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
> [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Ball
> Sent: 11 April 2007 11:17
> To: Powys List
> Cc: Dyfed List
> Subject: [POWYS] Old-Maps website
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> One of my favourite websites has always been
> www.old-maps.co.uk/ which provided free images of superb
> large-scale (1:10,560) nineteenth century Ordnance Survey
> maps of the UK.
> I visited the website yesterday and was shocked to find that
> the home page had received a "makeover" and that the search
> facility and gazetteer were not functioning. I reported the
> fault to Old-Maps and this morning I received the following
> explanation:
Regards IGI source infomation. 104474 is the microfilm number in the LDS
Family Library.
Jim
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Hi
In researching records on the net I'm always suspicious when I find records
where the birth date and baptism date are the same.
Should we believe all these children were born on Sunday while their parents
attended church?
Jim
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Hi Lona,
I have very little info regards any Thomas families. Only Edward Roderick =
Mary Anne Thomas.
Married 21 Dec 1815, Llanfiangel Nant Melan.
Sorry Jim
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I've just noticed in the POWYS mailing list archive (having been focussed on other things for a while) that back on 4 Mar Tomi Larson posed a question about IGI batch numbers to which there doesn't appear to have been any follow up. Tomi wrote:
>I have Llanelly marriages for Elizabeth Prosser and John Davies, William
>Prosser and Ann Dukes and Edward Prosser and Anne Colly all within 2 years
>of one another on the LDS site with Batch numbers M081291, Source number
>0104474.
>I don't have a lot of expertise using the Batch numbers, but might it be
>likely these could be silbings?
>What do the Batch and Source numbers actually indicate? How and why are they
>useful?
The following website run by Hugh Wallis has some useful information on IGI batch numbers and an even more useful facility for accessing the IGI records:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm
Dave Matthews
Corlette, Australia