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Hi Tomi,
I downloaded a free gedcom viewer and then was able to open the file.
http://www.genealogy-links.co.uk/html/freebies.html
If you type gedcom viewer into your search engine there are pleny to chose
from.
Patricia
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Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 5:04 PM
Subject: [POWYS] GEDCOM files
> Hello List,
> In looking at the IGI, I found this in the 'Download Records' section:
>
> Filename: Prosser - 1739.ged
>
> The two names connected with this file are ones I am interested in - Evan
> Prosser and Robert Parry of Llanfihangel, Brec.
>
> Can anyone tell me what to do with this file or access it for me? I have
> downloaded it to my computer, but can't open it as I don't have the proper
> 'application' to do this.
>
> Thanks for any advice on this.
>
> Tomi Larson
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Hi Tomi,
A little bit of data that may help you on the marriage entry is that Evan Prosser was from Llowes. Both signed with a + and the witnesses were William Rickets, William Adams and Mary Davies.
I can't help with a Llowes search (sadly as a lot of my tree were there at some stage in their lives!) but in the search for a suitable Mary Adams from Glasbury there are
Mary dau of Elizabetn Adams and John Williams her reputed husband baptised Jan 23rd 1735
Mary dau of William Adams and Anne his wife baptised August 14th 1737 .
Hope that this helps - happy hunting
Angie
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Hello List,
In looking at the IGI, I found this in the 'Download Records' section:
Filename: Prosser - 1739.ged
The two names connected with this file are ones I am interested in - Evan
Prosser and Robert Parry of Llanfihangel, Brec.
Can anyone tell me what to do with this file or access it for me? I have
downloaded it to my computer, but can't open it as I don't have the proper
'application' to do this.
Thanks for any advice on this.
Tomi Larson
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Julie--- a belated answer to your questions, I have
two Price lines, William Price, b 1626 Llanfoist, sold
"Price Forest", emigrated to America, died 1698 in
Elkton, MD, Married Margaret Warringer who was born
in England about 1644, His son Richard was born in
Wales, also emigrated and married Mary Garner of
England whose line goes back quite far. According to
my cousins records from One World Tree, William was
the son of Richard Price, Gentleman, of Manavon Wales
and Ursula Middleton. William and his son Richard
appear in documents of that time period in Maryland
and Virginia.
The other Price was Thomas, born 1610, emigrated to
America on the Ark, arriving in St. Marys, MD in 1634,
documented through passenger list and subsequent
activities, Again according to my cousins
information which he states is from One World Tree,
Thomas was the son of Andrew Price, who was son of the
same Richard and Ursula.
I question the information on Andrew, and am trying to
make that connection more "secure".
I am also curious as to where "Price Forest" might
have been.
And in answer to your question as to what records I
have searched, I must admit I have not yet explored
the British record resources--as I'm still trying to
determine how to go about doing that.
Thank you for your response, and your interest in all
genealogy.
Best wishes for the holidays,,
Nan Price Biggs
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> Nan,
>
> "Nan" was my late mother's name :-)
>
> Since lists aren't arranged by time-period but by
> region/locale,.....
> through wills of the early 1600's, whether as
> testator or named individual in someone else's will.
> Have you looked at the various Diocese Will Indexes
> and those of the PCC in London?
>
> Do you have reason to believe your PRICE line came
> from one of the counties that now comprise Powys
> (i.e., Breconshire, Montgomeryshire, Radnorshire)?
> Where did the marriage to Mary GARNER take place?
> Where did her family originate? Have you looked for
> land grants in Maryland involving your PRICE's or
> the GARNER family? They may also be persons named
> in wills in England of the time. Is there a
> comprehensive early history of St. Mary's, Maryland,
> that mentions these families? What is the source
> that indicates they arrived in 1634?
>
> Regards,
>
> Julie Preston
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> To: powys(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 8:21 AM
> Subject: [POWYS] research: 1600's
>
>
> Probably what I need is a referall from you all to
> another Welsh list, for what I am looking for is
> back in the mid 1600's, and you good folks seem
> much more up to date than that. I am looking for the
> Welsh connections of the Price's who came to St.
> Marys Md in 1634,Thomas, John and Mordecai, and to
> Richard who married Mary Garner whose British line I
> do have.
>
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> Listers,
>
> As the Powys List is so quiet at present, perhaps
> it is a good time for you
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> current problem
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Hello List,
Does anyone have information on this family from Glasbury, Brec...?
Evan and Mary (Adams) Prosser m. 28 July 1764
Children: Ann, Evan, Esther, Mary, Jane, Rachel, WILLIAM, Thomas
William m. Sarah Robert 1807 Llanely
Please contact me if you do!
Thank you,
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Hello List,
I'd like to know if Breconshire marriages of the 1700s were more likely to
occur in the bride's parish, groom's parish or could be a real mix?
Thanks for any local knowledge!
Tomi Larson
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Dear Listers,
This week's Retrospective Images of Wales features, just uploaded onto my
website, include the following subjects:
1. The village of Blaina, in the county of Monmouthshire (five pictures).
This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in February 1999.
2. The rural aspects of the parish of Llangyfelach, north of Swansea, in the
county of Glamorgan (seventeen pictures). This two-page feature was first
shown on 'Images of Wales' in September 2004.
As usual, these webpages will be on display for one week.
'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at
www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm
Kind regards,
John
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Last week I posted a request to see if couples married in
Clifford, Herefordshire were the siblings of Frances WILLIAMS that
married David PITT in 1808 at Clodock, Herefordshire.
Thanks to replies from Mike, a list member and researcher in
Monmouthshire, I found out Frances and her siblings were all born in
Monmouthshire and appear NOT to have married in Clifford.
Frances WILLIAMS was baptized/christened in 1780 in Monmouth,
Monmouthshire and was the daughter of John WILLIAMS and his first wife
Frances HOPKIN. All together John WILLIAMS had eleven children, with all
the rest being baptized/christened in Mitchel Troy, Monmouthshire from
1783 to 1801. After the death of his first wife the same year their
third child was born (1787), John WILLIAMS married Mary VAUGHAN in
Llangattock Lingoed, Monmouthshire in 1788.
Four of the eleven children of John WILLIAMS were mentioned in
the will of David PITT written in Hay, Breconshire in 1834. These were
Frances WILLIAMS PITT (1780), James WILLIAMS (1797), Maria WILLIAMS
(1799), and Louisa WILLIAMS (1801). One more, Hannah WILLIAMS PRICE
(1783), is found living with widowed Frances WILLIAMS PITT on the 1841
and 1851 census records.
Thanks to Mike for his help in finding out more about the
siblings of Frances WILLIAMS.
Ruth Ann Baker
United States
Hi Maxime,
Many of the old Welsh Quaker families like those in Nantmel RAD, and S & N
Wales, are listed in the books "Welsh Founders of Pensylvania" and the "Welsh
Tract" by Thomas Allen Glenn, in 1911--13, now in paperbacks from Clearfield
Publishing Co Inc., Baltimore, Maryland, USA. Also online from Amazon.com I
think.
Dennis Cleaton
RAD, Powys
Wales
At 6:04 pm -0800 11/12/06, Maxine wrote:
> Hello,
> I am new to this list and for starters I will name a few of my
>ancestors that came from Wales.
>
> Phillip RHYTHERACH born 1628 in Caermarthenshire, Wales. He
>married Dorothy ______
> Children: Elizabeth (1664-1744)
> David (1665-1744)
> Mary (1667- )
> Margaret (1671-1755)
> Jane (1675-1730)
> Gwendalan (1677- )
> lEWIS (1680- )
>I hope I am spelling things correctly (grin) and I am totally
>confused. But at age 80 I guess that can be expected. (grin again).
>
>Is there anyone here that has these people in their database?
>
>Thanks so much.
>Maxine
I trust that you're aware of the fluidity in spelling in the 17th
century and the possible variants in the Welsh name RHYDDERCH (see
below).
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Rhydderch
One of the North British rulers of the sixth century was called
Rhydderch; his epithet at times being Hen, but generally Hael; for
early references to Rodarchus, Rodercus, Rederech v. LHEB 658, 662,
668, 710, and TYP 504-5; in Nennius he is Riderc hen, in other
genealogies Retherc hael; Dr Bromwich gives a number of quotations
from early poetry which refer to Rhydderch. It was a fairly common
name in the medieval period, and it was the kind of name which by its
very nature brought about a variety of adaptations and spellings. It
would be best at this point to describe the changes that took place
and to quote afterwards. The simple straightforward development would
be to have an 'English' spelling, Rhytherch, and for ab + to give
Prydderch, Prytherch. The other changes took place in the final
syllable, in the writing system of English scribes, and one can sense
that the pattern as regards sound and spelling, of English words such
as '-burgh, borough, boro, thorough' produced Rothero, Protherough,
Protheroe, so that the pronunciation, in the English and official
context came to follow the spelling. As a result Prydderch
(Prytherch) and Protherough, Protheroe have quite different
pronunciations. And one may surmise that the first syllable came to
have -o-, as in 'mother, brother'; but instead of keeping the quality
of the -o- in 'brother', it tended to change to the quality of
'bother'. Quite apart from the orthographic adaptation on the pattern
of 'borough, boro', the sound of -erch as pronounced in Welsh was
extremely difficult to put into writing and scribes seemed to have
heard an epenthetic sound between r and ch which is shown by such
spellings as 'Retherech'.
The other change was the use of Roderick to replace Rhydderch, so
that it came to be regarded as the standard form. Phillimore 210-211
suggests that Roderic came to be used in the first place for another
name, i.e. Rhodri. George Owen uses Roderic for Rhodri, and he
probably was following Powel's History of Wales 1584. 'The custom of
calling persons named Rhodri "Rodericus" or Roderick doubtless partly
came from falsely equating the Welsh name with the similar Gothic one
. . . ', then follow other examples of 'equation' such as Edward and
Iorwerth, and actual examples of treating Roderick as anglicised from
Rhydderch: 'A good instance of the Anglicisation of Rhydderch into
Roderic in the course of the last century, is given in Meyrick, in
the History of Cardiganshire p.401. He there says, a propos of Pen
Glais, near Aberystwyth, "The present house was built by Roderic
Richards. His father was Richard Rhydderch".' Phillimore's other
example is Sion Rhydderch (1673-1735) the publisher, who was also
known as John Roderick. The footnote has the clue to the confusion of
Rhodri and Rhydderch in early texts, 'Perhaps the confusion of the
two names points to the earliness of the habit of Latinising both
alike into Rodericus. An early instance of Redricus for Rodri is
found in the Life of St Cadoc (Cambro - British Saints pp.86-7) where
the same person is thrice in the nominative called Rodri, and once in
the dative Rodrico'; v. above for use of Mereduc-Maredudd. [It is
strange how infrequently the name Rhodri occurs in the medieval
period as it virtually disappeared, the following example as surname
in the nineteenth century is most surprising: Census Returns 1861
PRO, Llangyfelach Lone, William Rodry born at Llangyfelach and his
family. It has now become one of the most popular christian names.
Examples of spelling variants in early and early modern texts:
B13. 229, SR 1292, Treharn ab Retherech.
B24. 187, Fasti Cist. Camb. 204. John Rodryke/John Rotherith
(Rotherhithe) - text editor suggests they are the same.
BBStD 50. Rether ap Cadogan.
CatAncDeeds V. 13268, Anglesea [sic] Rederych ap David. V. 12144,
Hereford . . . sons of Wronou son of Retherech. VI. 4273, Chester
date 1333, Thomas son of Rothoric.
CAP 1455. Rethergh ... Retherg, Rethregh ap Rees.
B6, 73, Eliz. Docs. Rotherche dd ap Rotherche alis Gwyn.
B10, 85, John ap Rutherch suber = 86. John ap Ryddz syber, Kemes Pems
16c. DLancaster (Kidwelly 1609) 181, . . . Redderch; 230, David
Pretherake.
Star CP 158, Cards levan ap Rudder, 161, Php Protheroth. WPortBooks
222, Owen Rotherugh = 224 Rotherghe.
InvECP 17, Caerns 1538, John ap Redragh. 29, Merion 1538, Ritharche
... CRHaverford 22, Henry Preddergh, 186, Harry Retheraughe.
Source: Welsh Surnames by T J Morgan and P Morgan ISBN 0-7083-0936-4
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Regards
Dick Jones Leigh-on-Sea Essex UK
rcjones(a)rmplc.co.uk
Hi again,
> Have you given all the information that you have on these folks? Is this
> all you have?
>
I don't know if this helps any but on the tombstone of Elizabeth
Phillips THOMAS it says:
"Elizabeth Phillips Thomas 1664-1744
Born Carmarthenshire, Wales, Daughter of Phillip RHYTHACH (1628-1730),
Wife of William THOMAS (1672-1717) of Newtown, Chester County (Pennsylvania)
Mother of Phillip THOMAS, Grandmother of Mary Thomas EVANS, sister of
Margaret Phillips IDDINGS (1671-1755), who was the
grandmother of General Anthony WAYNE".
William THOMAS, born 1672 Mahynlleth, Montgomery, Wales; married 1694;
died 1717 Chester County, Pennsylvania, married
Elizabeth PHILLIPS, born 1664 in Pennsylvania, died 7 February 1727 in
Chester County, Pennsylvania.
their child, Phillip THOMAS, born 1696 married Esther IDDINGS
(1700-1750).
Thanks again.
Maxine
>
>
Hello Angie,
All I can say from memory now, is that Ruth Sheen was married to a brother
of my Elizabeth Smith, nee Priceand was my 2xgreat grandmother. Father was
John Price. The name of the farm has gone from my head at present. But, a date
of 1830 is remembered as the death of John Price. 1833, Elizabeth Price
married James Smith in Colva, with consent of friends.
I did not understand this until I found the death of her parents. Hannah
and Ann Price were sisters. One married a Probert, and had a daughter called
Elizabeth who was blind from birth. Later on, this Elizabeth appeared in
various census returns as staying with different family members. Her father was
a rev. I only wish I could remember all the details to tell you, but heck,
that's life for you.
All for now, will be back when memory or files return.
All the best,
Maureen
Hi Patricia,
Oh my! So much information. I am overwhelmed, but I poke around
those 161 pages, or however many there are. I typed in "parish records"
but most of it comes up parish (so far). I went back and typed in
"parish +records" but haven't gotten to just the parish records yet.
I do so appreciate the time you took to give me all that information.
Thanks again.
Maxine
> Here is the link to the index, opt for search the archives then , choose
> the Dolgellau office (it doesnt matter if you dont) if you type in 'parish
> records' you will see their list.
> http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/DATRhagorol/cgi-bin/rhestrarchif.english.pl?arc...
>
>
Hello all,
All the information I have on my Welch ancestors/relatives was given
to me and there are confusing differences.
Is there a place to check on the birth/christening dates and places?
I was given: David ap EVANS christened about 1669 in Llanvachreth,
Merionetshire Co., Wales and his wife Jones Mary JONES (I really wonder
about that name as well) who was christened about 1669 in Nantmell,
Radnorshire Co., Wales.
The father of David ap EVANS is given as Evan ap WILLIAM (born abt
1630) and his mother as Gwen (no surname given) born abt 1635 (no place
given).
I know I do not have much information and I have never tried to find
information across the water, so I am grasping at straws here.
Thanks so much for any information anyone can provide.
Maxine
An ancestor of mine, Evan MANTLE (1809-1887) of Newchapel, Montgomeryshire
was a lead miner who fathered at least 6 sons. Some of them became lead
miners in Radnorshire and Montgomeryshire. Later, some migrated to the
Rhondda coalfield.
The Powys County Times has kindly printed a picture that's been handed down
through our generations. It appears to feature lead miners but we don't know
who they are or where the photograph was taken. I'm interested to know if
anyone else who's connected to Powys lead miners has a similar photograph to
the one featured in the County Times. Do any of the buildings in the
background look familiar, perhaps?
The Powys County Times can be viewed via the following link:
http://www.countytimes.co.uk/
Click on the e-version for 8th December 2006 (either RAD or MGY edition) and
go to page 18.
Thank you.
Hello Barbara,,
We was looking at your one name family page for the Parry families
particularly in Herefordshire.
We have a Mary Parry born in Dorstone Herefordshire in approx 1831 She
married a William Thomas who was born in Madley. William's father we believe
to be Benjamin. They may have married about 1852/3. Have you come across
this marriage in your searches
Val & John Lewis
Nuneaton
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From: "Barbara Griffiths" <bm.griffiths(a)ntlworld.com>
To: <powys(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 11:54 AM
Subject: [POWYS] Probate Records
> I'm not sure whether this is news to others, but I only realised yesterday
> that
> the indexes to the Welsh Probate Records at the National Library of Wales
> are
> now available through A2A - http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp
>
> It looks as if all of the Welsh diocese are included, although I haven't
> checked
> the full date ranges.
>
> Best wishes
> Barbara Griffiths
> Coventry UK
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/im.griffiths/parryfamilyhistory/parryhome.htm
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Hello,
I am new to this list and for starters I will name a few of my ancestors that came from Wales.
Phillip RHYTHERACH born 1628 in Caermarthenshire, Wales. He married Dorothy ______
Children: Elizabeth (1664-1744)
David (1665-1744)
Mary (1667- )
Margaret (1671-1755)
Jane (1675-1730)
Gwendalan (1677- )
lEWIS (1680- )
I hope I am spelling things correctly (grin)and I am totally confused . But at age 80 I guess that can be expected. (grin again).
Is there anyone here that has these people in their database?
Thanks so much.
Maxine
Hi Maureen,
Thanks for the email - I have got Ruth in my tree - if I can help with her line please come back to me.
Happy hunting
Angie
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